Hollywood Outtakes: Southern Pacific Cab-Forwards
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2022
- Pulling together a bunch of shots of Southern Pacific cab-forward locomotives. Some of these have appeared in prior videos of mine, some have not.
0:08 SP 4-8-8-2 AC-10 No. 4228, at the head of train no. 58, The Sequoia, slows down to grab a mail sack on the fly. The location is Saugus, California, looking north from just north of the Saugus train station. (Thanks to UA-camr Steven Lester for the location ID!)
1:40 Unknown locomotive, train and location.
2:07 A pair of shots, taken simultaneously from either side of the tracks. Can't make out the locomotive number, but the train is no. 1-60, first section of The West Coast, out of Portland and Seattle, bound for Los Angeles. Unknown location. Taken for, but never used in, The Al Jolson Story.
3:25 The West Coast, again, arriving at Glendale station with AC-10 4-8-8-2 No. 4225 at its head.
The original film is silent, so I've added a contemporary soundtrack. - Авто та транспорт
As a fifth generation in CA, with 3 of those in SP, this is great. Music and motion express those times. Looking forward to more!
I can now confirm that the first train is, indeed, passing Saugus. The location is where the old Highway 99 left Sierra Highway,then-Highway 10, and where the pre-Montalvo Cutoff for the Coastal Route branched off to travel north for Ventura. In the old days the route from Santa Barbara originally went through here to connect to the route that went into the San Fernando Valleyvia the 1876 San Fernando Tunnel. The station building was large and was a meal stop for passengers before dining cars were added. One half hour to get off, eat, and then get back on. The station was moved to a large park named after Hart, an old movie cowboy star. I’ve seen it myself.
Thank you for this excellent information! I will update the video description accordingly.
Here's a picture of Wood's Garage in Saugus, which appears in the background of the first shot. scvhistory.com/scvhistory/hg5704.htm
Great work on catching the mail crane action. I've never seen anything quite like it, let alone the cab-forward...outstanding.
The trackwork is flawless. Real pride in action
Note the very straight lines of the ballast edges......... Back then the track section crew took real pride in their work.
Fantastic footage. Hope to see more in the near future. Thanks for sharing.
First train is clearly at Saugus, like he said. In the late 1940s train 58 was due there around 7:30-8:00 AM PST. Has a tourist sleeper -- according to the public timetable those disappeared sometime in 1950-51.
I saw the first train on a different venue and it was described as passing the Saugus station. I can’t confirm that, however. All of the Cab Forwards were scrapped, every one except for one that can be visited inside the train museum located in Old Sacramento. It’s, indeed, the last one.
Wonderful Footage and the music is cool. THX
California when it had around 6.5 million people. Now? 40 million.
Yeah Jimmy, way before the world saw tv shows, particularly Bay Watch, and films via social media brought Southern California to their sights. They went outside, saw the place they lived in and said to themselves, "What am I doing here in this Godforsaken blight of the world? I'm going where I can pluck an orange off a tree, have a gorgeous party partner and live the good life." The rest is history. 😭
I like the Cab Forwards, which are big Yellowstones similar to and slightly smaller than the conventional DM&IR ones built by Baldwin, iirc.
What can I say but THANK YOU! Thank you for that special personal snap shot of the past ! Kindest Regards!!!!
Great stuff! I especially liked the mail bag catch - had never seen it actually happen...
I lived on the SP mainline 1 mike north of Glendale. Backyard fence was SP Right of way. Saw LOTS of steam and early diesles too.
Yeah..... Love the music.
Delightful!! 👍
THANK YOU FOR SHARING!!!!
Please correct your description info. First train is clearly No.58 at Saugus. Look at the right-side train indicator. This clip has been posted to UA-cam before and properly commented on locations and train consist. The consist has the signature cars of the Owl at the rear end, including Mission Delores (Pullman-Lounge), followed by the Palouse Falls (Pullman 10-1-1), and Overcot (14-section Pullman) bringing up the rear. The car after the RPO is a Pullman Tourist Car, which was placed there and used for the SP crew of the diner, etc as a dormitory car. Then the first car after the diner is another Pullman Tourist Car, which is in military personnel movement following WWII, which lasted in that location for about 1-2 years. Circa 1946-1948 the military Tourist Cars were moved around in the consist.
My mistake. Thanks for the correction. Description has been changed.
Didn't know they were dual service. Think period music good, could have been a little softer. Better than some train record with the sounds and Train video not at same speed.
Location of #52 could be near Lancaster on the Valley Line from Bakersfield. Time would also be correct, due into LAUPT about 8:00 pm. Cab forward was put on at Bakersfield. Between Oakland and Bakersfield it may have had a 2400 class Pacific.
First train is clearly No.58 at Saugus, which has been posted to UA-cam before. The consist has the signature cars of the Owl at the rear end, including Mission Delores (Pullman-Lounge), followed by the Palouse Falls (Pullman 10-1-1), and Overcot (14-section Pullman) bringing up the rear.
Great resolution in Glendale. Almost like being there. Woods Garage is gone but Dapper Dan's Car Wash seem to be in the same spot now.
2:07 the number on that AC is very covered up by ash, but I think I can just barely make out the number '4235' on it...
you also can see in photos that 4235 is quite blacked out, so that adds to the theory that it could be 4235.
Maravilhoso
In the final scene, I wonder for whom the catenary does service? Forgot to ask this question in a previous video. Any Espee fans definitively recognize the location and can help out? Would be much appreciated.
The location is definitely Glendale. I believe another commentator said the catenary belonged to Pacific Electric.
@@SpeedGraphicFilmVideo Thanks, Speed Graphic, I missed the prior comment on Pacific Electric.
What were the drawbacks? Why didn't other railroads use them and where was the fireman located?
The experts will undoubtedly step up to answer your question better than I, but as I recall, there were multiple reasons:
1) Cab-forwards were oil-fired, and oil-fired locomotives mostly inhabited the southwest. Other places, coal was the preferred fuel and that required the firebox to be near the tender.
2) Cab-forwards had better visibility, but also meant that the crew was more vulnerable in a collision. Railroad men liked having the bulk of the locomotive ahead of them. This was true even into the diesel era--running road-switcher-style locomotives short hood first didn't become common until the 1960's.
And yes, the fireman was up front with the engineer and brakeman.
@@SpeedGraphicFilmVideo Also the Espee had alot of Mountains and Tunnels within it System
They were created because engine crews were being choked by fumes in the many tunnels and snowsheds in the Sierra.
no, you cannot move to California for a better life, it will be 100x worse there
Don't need the DAMN background music.👎
Gee Does your device have a "volume" control or a "mute" button? Cheers!!
the original audio could have been lost, or it could have been recorded without audio. that’s why the background music was added.
The music is perfect for the period.