I know someone running one of these as a super low power proxmox server running network emulation software for him to learn cisco stuff on. When I asked him why POE his response was basically 'cause it's cool'. Nothing wrong with that.
@@ZippyDooDa435 he has a more powerful system in the works and when that is built the n100 will become an op sense machine. Baby steps and all I guess.
All of the primary use cases entirely unmentioned: Digital signage Computers for signage tend to be located in high and visible places. Powering them from an easily rebootable source is important so that you can troubleshoot remotely. POS kiosk Your kiosk being powered by POE ensures that any power flickers don’t take down your terminal. It also means that a register that drops off the network can be rebooted remotely. Machinery interface The RS-232 port connects up to machinery to allow for controlling it. You’d ask why not just plug it into the wall, but power in industrial zones tends to be significantly dirtier than in residential or commercial areas. Massive load spikes cause voltage to drop or fluctuate significantly on a regular basis. Powering your PCs via POE ensures they’re connected to the network equipment which has power conditioners installed. This type of PC is super important in enterprise for that POE In port.
It's actually the SIM card that might make it worthwhile for me. I have some rural land with lousy internet options. Unless something major changes before I build something there I am going to need to put some kind of cellular modem in the attic and connected to a switch for the house. With this box could run a single network cable up there for power and data, then just have these which downstairs connected to power. Definitely not the only way to do it, but when you start looking at installing extra electrical outlets or buying a cellular modem from microtic it doesn't seem like a bad deal anymore.
@@annebokma4637 generally you want to make the antenna leads as short as possible to minimize signal loss. That's why people put wireless backhaul radios up in outdoor enclosures next to their antennas. Long ethernet cable with short radio pigtail gets you much better results than the other way around.
Minisforum S100 also has PEO. I use it with a cheap usb c touchscreen monitor for easy access to home assistant. The S100 gets POE and the usb c monitor is powered and gets video from the S100. It's honestly great.
I personally have a funny situation- my ISP router+modem is powered by a little backup battery in my parent's house, but that doesn't provide enough juice to power my pfsense firewall. So I run it using poe via a poe splitter from my rack next door! That way I can power it off my full blown ups in my rack. A device like this would be super handy for my purposes if the price was right! That said, you can already power these lil firewalls via poe- you just get a poe splitter that takes out 12v!
I have two meLE fanless PCs with PoE to USB-C convertors powering them in two remote locations in my home for Zwave and ZigBee bridges to get them in a more optimal location. Both of these run Proxmox with LXC containers for my Zwave and Zigbee controllers. This means I don't need power at these location and can just pick the best spot for the units. In addition to making it more convenient for location having these as containers means I can easily kick them over to another device if I have a failure and not take a hit on the WAF. I wouldn't need all the features of this unit, but really like PoE devices and could see getting this if I needed these features.
POE powered devices are nice but like you stated, it’s hard to justify a use for the price. It would come in handy as a media center PC for basic stuff if there is an Ethernet port but no extra power near a TV, which can happen with a single recessed clock outlet. But that can always be fixed for less than $200 anyways. I think it is best suited for industrial applications where you don’t want it powered on a circuit that is near heavy machinery.
If it had NVME, this would pretty much be exactly what I’ve been looking for. I would probably set up a low power cluster. I have a lot of POE available and it would just be cleaner from a cable management standpoint. I might get one just to have a low power Proxmox node for some lightweight workloads and to have a 3rd node in my cluster.
Another use would be as a machine for an EtherCAT based system, which will scale quite well with the 2.5 GbE ports or any other port speed you have available.
I run Home Assistant with Z-Wave in my home's MDF enclosure. However its location isn't very central, so my Z-Wave coverage is problematic as a result. With you Neosmay, I will be able to have it running Z-Wave JS and a Z-Wave controller plugged into it, at a central location in my home. This will fix my coverage issues, I believe.
I’ve been using PoE Pi devices for my low power home lab and self hosted env, and yes, it’s niche BUT I could use one or two for a cheap low power proxmox for pfSense, freepbx, etc. all my ATA and voip phones are PoE already so it makes sense.
For me this is the best use for an IoT computer which can be used for centralization of different networks I use on my premise. Yes no vlans cause each network is managed by different companies and no touchy touchy their network gear just doing regular task on it what I am allowed to do! so for that purpose this is GREAT!
would be a GREAT management LAN server, ie. secure VPN using crypto certificates only, and then you have access to the iDrac/iLom ports of a PVE cluster... already have the PoE switches managing other stuff, and if the switch isn't working, we already have other troubles :D
Hey, Fail over. Is it a feature of the system? PoE and a DC barrel connection at the same time. You accidentally reboot your PoE switch will she switch over to DC ....and vice versa.
I am not going to jump on this one I don’t think, but I have wanted PoE minis to use at remote sites I manage (all of them) so I could just tuck it in the rack, connect 1 cable, and always have a non-server machine I can remote into and do whatever I need. Tons of benefits. Minimizes unnecessary software installs on servers, our server rooms and network closets are locked, so privacy is guaranteed without having to remember to turn off the remote display. For some sites it might make sense to have that WWAN card, so if the site’s power was on but internet was out, you could assess the situation, maybe flap the power on a UPS to reboot a modem, whatever. I know all this could be done with literally any mini but UPS ports are limited. Source: Internal SysAdmin for a company with remote subsidiaries. Multiply this usefulness by 100 for MSPs.
Those are not all the cheap, not ones that will reliably do the 35W or more that that box needs. I’ve had an N100 single SSD box running off a splitter before and it would occasionally crash due to lack of power.
I want to use Proxmox with windows VM's. With 4 Clients. Office using and webbrowsing. Which Hardware i need? A normal PC with i7/i9 or Serverhardware?
do ha opnsense with a ups with a couple of these and rake in the cash from people who can't set it up - lots of smb want and need HA plus 2.5 - it is less niche than you thin but also compare to something like refurb hp which may end up being better for ability to do 10g at more affordable price point - setting up HA may be a lil crazy but you probably need it yourself and once you get it working image and never have to go through the torture of learning new things again
It is niche because of its price, not the other way around. If the price was 10$ more than other n100 I would buy this. I just bought an n100 mini with 16gb ram and 512 gb ssd for €200. For fanless I would spent up to €50 more and poe €10. So €260 inc ram and ssd.
I bought 1 and when connected to poe it cuts on for maybe 1 second, then off for 6 or 7 then repeats. Im using a newish switch. 2.5gbx8 with poe+ is it not getting enough power or is it a bad system?
@@RaidOwl hmm... this seems like a device that homelabbers might use so I would put it in a rack like the switch ;) I live in an apartment, not house so I don't have much space. My rack lives in kitchen/entrance-space near technical box so whatever's in it, you can hear is in the apartment unfortunately. And I have TP-Link 2,5G Omada switch and I had to replace fans to Noctuas to make it silent (and I think it even has only PoE+, not ++)
@@morsikpl If you're putting it in the rack with the switch...why do you need PoE? You have power there pretty much by definition. The whole point of PoE is to *send* power from the switch to someplace *else* where power isn't otherwise easy to get. In many of those circumstances fanless is also attractive. If you're putting a PC up on a pole, or inside digital signage, or buried in a wall or whatever it might be a pain to separately run power, and you might want it quiet and/or lack air ingress/egress rendering fans ineffective. Certainly that's not true for all situations where PoE is useful...but the overlap is substantial. Certainly it's not useless because the switch makes noise.
@@huntercook6605 oh, answer for your "why" question is easy: 1. one AC->DC conversion that goes to multiple DC devices is more efficient 2. I hate external power bricks, so 1 switch acting as one chunky power brick for multiple downstream devices sounds nice.
why did u wait? Gigabit PoE Splitter 48V to 12V 2A, 5.5x2.5mm DC IEEE 802.3af/at Standard Power Over Ethernet Splitter Adapter for Security IP Camera,Voip Phone, AP (PS5712TG-25) there are many POE to 12v converters out there, nothing new. an other useless video purely for monetization purpouses. nothing learned or gained here.
@RaidOwl Big, big fan! oh wait, this ain't aliexpress supported content..or is it? you might as well supply their url in video description and in thumbnail and save everyone some time.
I know someone running one of these as a super low power proxmox server running network emulation software for him to learn cisco stuff on. When I asked him why POE his response was basically 'cause it's cool'. Nothing wrong with that.
Haha my man
Not a very powerful machine for EVE-NG, GNS3, or Containerlab
@@ZippyDooDa435 he has a more powerful system in the works and when that is built the n100 will become an op sense machine. Baby steps and all I guess.
All of the primary use cases entirely unmentioned:
Digital signage
Computers for signage tend to be located in high and visible places. Powering them from an easily rebootable source is important so that you can troubleshoot remotely.
POS kiosk
Your kiosk being powered by POE ensures that any power flickers don’t take down your terminal. It also means that a register that drops off the network can be rebooted remotely.
Machinery interface
The RS-232 port connects up to machinery to allow for controlling it. You’d ask why not just plug it into the wall, but power in industrial zones tends to be significantly dirtier than in residential or commercial areas. Massive load spikes cause voltage to drop or fluctuate significantly on a regular basis. Powering your PCs via POE ensures they’re connected to the network equipment which has power conditioners installed.
This type of PC is super important in enterprise for that POE In port.
The only weird thing is it has more lan ports, so it's hard to imagine things being downstream of this when they can't also be poe powered too
Perfect computer for my submarine.
Someone running an SDR setup could use this.
I wanted to buy a Yacht. Couldn't afford it, so I bought a Kayak.
Definitely interested in a cluster video.
It's actually the SIM card that might make it worthwhile for me. I have some rural land with lousy internet options. Unless something major changes before I build something there I am going to need to put some kind of cellular modem in the attic and connected to a switch for the house.
With this box could run a single network cable up there for power and data, then just have these which downstairs connected to power. Definitely not the only way to do it, but when you start looking at installing extra electrical outlets or buying a cellular modem from microtic it doesn't seem like a bad deal anymore.
You can run antenna wires to your roof. Depending on how accessible your attic is putting it somewhere else might be better.
@@annebokma4637 generally you want to make the antenna leads as short as possible to minimize signal loss. That's why people put wireless backhaul radios up in outdoor enclosures next to their antennas. Long ethernet cable with short radio pigtail gets you much better results than the other way around.
This set is looking awesome man
Wow...surprisingly affordable for a fanless POE computer!
Very nice!
Keep em coming
Minisforum S100 also has PEO. I use it with a cheap usb c touchscreen monitor for easy access to home assistant. The S100 gets POE and the usb c monitor is powered and gets video from the S100. It's honestly great.
This would be good in industrial environments or as a kiosk/POS terminal.
Those ports being POE would be great for cameras and one can run Zoneminder on that PC.
I personally have a funny situation- my ISP router+modem is powered by a little backup battery in my parent's house, but that doesn't provide enough juice to power my pfsense firewall. So I run it using poe via a poe splitter from my rack next door! That way I can power it off my full blown ups in my rack. A device like this would be super handy for my purposes if the price was right!
That said, you can already power these lil firewalls via poe- you just get a poe splitter that takes out 12v!
Thx for the video, that's a nice device. Please get two more and do a video about a silent PoE cluster, that would be awesome! 👍👍👍
I have two meLE fanless PCs with PoE to USB-C convertors powering them in two remote locations in my home for Zwave and ZigBee bridges to get them in a more optimal location. Both of these run Proxmox with LXC containers for my Zwave and Zigbee controllers. This means I don't need power at these location and can just pick the best spot for the units. In addition to making it more convenient for location having these as containers means I can easily kick them over to another device if I have a failure and not take a hit on the WAF. I wouldn't need all the features of this unit, but really like PoE devices and could see getting this if I needed these features.
POE powered devices are nice but like you stated, it’s hard to justify a use for the price. It would come in handy as a media center PC for basic stuff if there is an Ethernet port but no extra power near a TV, which can happen with a single recessed clock outlet. But that can always be fixed for less than $200 anyways. I think it is best suited for industrial applications where you don’t want it powered on a circuit that is near heavy machinery.
If it had NVME, this would pretty much be exactly what I’ve been looking for. I would probably set up a low power cluster. I have a lot of POE available and it would just be cleaner from a cable management standpoint. I might get one just to have a low power Proxmox node for some lightweight workloads and to have a 3rd node in my cluster.
I like this buddy also good to see you again man!
I have a similar N305 system and with a dual-sided 32GB DDR5 SODIMM module installed, it does in fact show up as dual channel RAM.
Another use would be as a machine for an EtherCAT based system, which will scale quite well with the 2.5 GbE ports or any other port speed you have available.
Awesome ive been looking for something like this for ages !
I run Home Assistant with Z-Wave in my home's MDF enclosure. However its location isn't very central, so my Z-Wave coverage is problematic as a result. With you Neosmay, I will be able to have it running Z-Wave JS and a Z-Wave controller plugged into it, at a central location in my home. This will fix my coverage issues, I believe.
I’ve been using PoE Pi devices for my low power home lab and self hosted env, and yes, it’s niche BUT I could use one or two for a cheap low power proxmox for pfSense, freepbx, etc. all my ATA and voip phones are PoE already so it makes sense.
For me this is the best use for an IoT computer which can be used for centralization of different networks I use on my premise. Yes no vlans cause each network is managed by different companies and no touchy touchy their network gear just doing regular task on it what I am allowed to do! so for that purpose this is GREAT!
Didn’t know you are using ProtonMail 👍
would be a GREAT management LAN server, ie. secure VPN using crypto certificates only, and then you have access to the iDrac/iLom ports of a PVE cluster... already have the PoE switches managing other stuff, and if the switch isn't working, we already have other troubles :D
Hey, Fail over. Is it a feature of the system? PoE and a DC barrel connection at the same time. You accidentally reboot your PoE switch will she switch over to DC ....and vice versa.
Good question. I’ll have to check that later.
Having the firewall downstream of a switch doesn’t mean you have double NAT. That would only apply if you have another firewall upstream of it.
I am not going to jump on this one I don’t think, but I have wanted PoE minis to use at remote sites I manage (all of them) so I could just tuck it in the rack, connect 1 cable, and always have a non-server machine I can remote into and do whatever I need. Tons of benefits. Minimizes unnecessary software installs on servers, our server rooms and network closets are locked, so privacy is guaranteed without having to remember to turn off the remote display. For some sites it might make sense to have that WWAN card, so if the site’s power was on but internet was out, you could assess the situation, maybe flap the power on a UPS to reboot a modem, whatever. I know all this could be done with literally any mini but UPS ports are limited. Source: Internal SysAdmin for a company with remote subsidiaries. Multiply this usefulness by 100 for MSPs.
There are also Poe+ to barreljack or usb-c adapters, so why not go that route if you want to power it by POE ?
Those are not all the cheap, not ones that will reliably do the 35W or more that that box needs. I’ve had an N100 single SSD box running off a splitter before and it would occasionally crash due to lack of power.
How are you doing the iGPU passthrough for Promox for Plex transcoding?
Did you already do a review on the MS-01 from Miniforum?
Nope but I want to
When we getting the MS-01 big dawg
I want to use Proxmox with windows VM's. With 4 Clients. Office using and webbrowsing. Which Hardware i need? A normal PC with i7/i9 or Serverhardware?
do ha opnsense with a ups with a couple of these and rake in the cash from people who can't set it up - lots of smb want and need HA plus 2.5 - it is less niche than you thin but also compare to something like refurb hp which may end up being better for ability to do 10g at more affordable price point - setting up HA may be a lil crazy but you probably need it yourself and once you get it working image and never have to go through the torture of learning new things again
It is niche because of its price, not the other way around. If the price was 10$ more than other n100 I would buy this.
I just bought an n100 mini with 16gb ram and 512 gb ssd for €200. For fanless I would spent up to €50 more and poe €10. So €260 inc ram and ssd.
Disagree
@@RaidOwl I suspected as much 😄
*firm handshake*
Way too expensive for a PF/OPNSense box for me! Otherwise, it would *almost* fit a use case at my work. Very Interesting!
$250 on amz, better option than most n100 mini PCs out there.
Wish it had a rs-232 port
Yeah you’d have to adapt that to rj45
I bought 1 and when connected to poe it cuts on for maybe 1 second, then off for 6 or 7 then repeats. Im using a newish switch. 2.5gbx8 with poe+ is it not getting enough power or is it a bad system?
You need PoE++
@@RaidOwl wish they would have said that on the listing.
this looks like a perfect thin client. im after a gaming thin client with 4k 120hz
Cat5e can support POE too.
Yeah I just meant I specifically am using a cat6 cable
The HDMI is up-side-down or the logo is
Your monitor is upside down
@@RaidOwl🤣🤣🤣
POE Powered stuff should be Standard.
But EPA has tunnel vision with battery powered trucks, when you have trains (just as a basic example)...
5:37 😂
I'd rather use Poe injector/receiver combo. feed 12v and ethernet into one end and on the other end break back out to 12v plus unpowered Ethernet
Why?
@@RaidOwl far more freedom in choice of mini pc used on the other end.
Coolio
@@RaidOwl but ngl this is still awesome
You’re the only UA-camr whose ad I watch. You’re welcome.
Big respect Mr Trey Trey
Lovely!
I think I speak for all when I say: "more PoE!"
Moar!!!
0:55 That 'why' was robotic
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Fanless PoE-powered PC... meanwhile you need beffy PoE switch with freaking loud fans to power all of that :D
So... what's the point of fanless? :P
I mean…is your pc always in the same room as your switch? Also, my PoE++ switch isn’t loud at all.
@@RaidOwl hmm... this seems like a device that homelabbers might use so I would put it in a rack like the switch ;)
I live in an apartment, not house so I don't have much space. My rack lives in kitchen/entrance-space near technical box so whatever's in it, you can hear is in the apartment unfortunately. And I have TP-Link 2,5G Omada switch and I had to replace fans to Noctuas to make it silent (and I think it even has only PoE+, not ++)
Yeah quiet Poe++ ports aren’t common
@@morsikpl If you're putting it in the rack with the switch...why do you need PoE? You have power there pretty much by definition. The whole point of PoE is to *send* power from the switch to someplace *else* where power isn't otherwise easy to get. In many of those circumstances fanless is also attractive. If you're putting a PC up on a pole, or inside digital signage, or buried in a wall or whatever it might be a pain to separately run power, and you might want it quiet and/or lack air ingress/egress rendering fans ineffective. Certainly that's not true for all situations where PoE is useful...but the overlap is substantial. Certainly it's not useless because the switch makes noise.
@@huntercook6605 oh, answer for your "why" question is easy:
1. one AC->DC conversion that goes to multiple DC devices is more efficient
2. I hate external power bricks, so 1 switch acting as one chunky power brick for multiple downstream devices sounds nice.
Don't build a cluster, save it for something more interesting
Mmm POe Boi
Delicious
why did u wait?
Gigabit PoE Splitter 48V to 12V 2A, 5.5x2.5mm DC IEEE 802.3af/at Standard Power Over Ethernet Splitter Adapter for Security IP Camera,Voip Phone, AP (PS5712TG-25)
there are many POE to 12v converters out there, nothing new.
an other useless video purely for monetization purpouses. nothing learned or gained here.
Thanks for being a fan of the channel!
@RaidOwl Big, big fan! oh wait, this ain't aliexpress supported content..or is it? you might as well supply their url in video description and in thumbnail and save everyone some time.