Looks like TTeck's wife posted on his behalf on their ko-fi page. Godspeed TTeck and may you rest in peace. Edit: Just saw the rest of the video, the github issue is there as well. 8:36 for timestamp
Been using one of these for 2 years running PfSense w/ Mellanox ConnectX-4LX 2x 10Gb SFP+ nic. I did replace the lid with a custom cut one with a 140mm fan. Rock solid device, with wayy more performance than I need. No its not a super power miser. Thats fine by me though. These were never meant to run very low power. The slot was seemingly meant for a 6400 gpu or other nic. The slot is a x16 but only connectivity of x8.
I have the same setup. ConnextX-4LX on Pfsense. No problems with my 2500/2500 fiber. Note that this box has a BIOS bug that causes the CPU fan to run at bare minimum speeds (or stops) on some bootups. Never seen a proper BIOS fix from HP (check the ServeTheHome thread), and getting the BIOS on the box is pretty annoying.
Aside from Dell, HP has a strong hold on thin client products. I’d say 90% of my office uses their units, and we actually make good use of the four DisplayPort outputs. Most of our users need to monitor and interact with multiple things simultaneously. Yes, the power consumption is higher than it should be, but let’s consider two key points: A: These units are designed to run at peak performance as much as possible. While this may be taxing in the long run, it ensures they’re ready to boost performance instantly. B: These devices are definitely not designed for consumers or home lab enthusiasts. In offices with VDI infrastructure that requires such thin clients, the power bill isn’t usually a concern. Moreover, large companies often have different pricing structures than residential agreements-many pay a flat rate regardless of high usage.
I bought this for $250 a few years ago. It’s running OPNsense and a dual 10gb NIC, although the installation required some initial tinkering to get up and running.
Care to elaborate? I was thinking this could be a perfect cheap 10gb opnsense box too, since anything else is $250+ to start. Did the tinkering you speak of for the realtek onboard?
@wallyrogers2371 I had to google the problem to remember what I did. Essentially, the system would not boot OPNsense. I had to edit a config file referring to uart.0.at and uart.1.at to get it to work. Great system, although best to use a low power 10gb nic to prevent heat buildup.
Well after running my homelab on an hp ProBook 440 g2 I finally got a job Now I am planning on a hp elitedesk 800 g2 256 gb nvme 1 tb HHD 16 gb ram But no wifi As a on the go server I will install windows (wait) Because I have some retro and some 2013 games in cd format which i converted to digital disk It ain't much but all I need now Windows+ some office software+ some light games + jellyfin for media server and a shared windows folder is all I thing I need now. Well thanks for inspiration and such vast array of content i really mean it man In India cost of computer parts do add up fast hence I got a bit creative.. Any advice is welcomed P.s the system. Is the only one I can afford right now And it has not arrived yet so I thing in 2 weeks will update on a later video Thanks to hardware haven, for such fun content,
That little metal plate thing you pulled out is a ground plate. Its designed to increase the amount of contact area with the card and the case for grounding purposes.
Must be very location-dependent. A quick search in the US shows plenty of recent sales between 60-80 US with one recent sale for a lot of 10 for 430 total.
We used these HP t620 / t630 in our office that autolaunched Citrix VDI’s. They were a third the cost of a laptop and if they broke, we replaced the hardware and they were back up and running with their VDI as if nothing happened. Great piece of kit. Working from home killed them off as everyone requested a laptop, and we never got enough employees back in office to justify keeping them. You can get them verrrry cheap now 2nd hand.
I've got one of these with an Intel X550-T2 network card running as a router for my overkill home network. The factory storage drive cause lots of problems with BSD so I do not recommend it for use with pfsense or opnsense but it is otherwise a pretty good machine. I am insufficiently aware of alternatives in the space to recommend it but it has been a good machine for me after throwing in more hardware.
You do not need to pull the fan or USB card to put in an a+e 2.5 gbps card, I have this in both of mine. They are currently running VMware vSpere8 in my lab. I had no trouble with the blue drive holder things. Mine also have Supermicro dual 10gbps cards installed, a little less power/heat than other cards. They will take 64GB of RAM.
Thinking through this computer... I see 3 big use-cases. This might make sense as a CCTV computer. If you write a footage to a NAS with say a 10g port, you could have 4 displays all have a camera up and might make sense to display the 4 camera feeds live. Digital Signage display. Think Restaurant Menu boards Zoom Meeting station. Plug in a nice USB Camera/Mic and have 4 displays for all the various people you're meeting with.
You could add a pci express sas card and use it to plug a external jbod. That is if you feel like building an external jbod using an old pc case, another sas card, power supply and a HDcase with backplanes.
i have one of these with a raid card in it, running a rosewell raid enclosure with 4 18tb drives. came out cheaper and faster than an actual raid set up. i think i spent 140$ not including drives (obvi)
t740 was something I was looking at for a long time to upgrade my wyse5070 test cluster. And then ms01 came around. I think the ms01 was responsible for t740 masive price drop (from 400£)
Wait, what. Tteck died. Oh no. Thats so fuckin sad man. RIP brother. You were one the greats. Proxmox wont be the same without you. Condolences to his family.
OK, I have not watched the video yet (usually watch YT on TV), but I LUSTED after this system for so long, looking forward to watching the rest of the vid. I was more in the 200+ on ebay when I really wanted one and have too many > than 1 liter systems with no purpose at this point to buy one unless you convince me otherwise
Replying to myself, uff, yeah cannot remember why it was so attractive, I think it was that low profile PCIe slot. Thanks so so much for covering this odd little beast
I always love the interesting small systems that you find. I'm sure a system like this has its place (with the PCIe slot I do wonder about use as a router). Regardless I thoroughly enjoyed watching. Thanks as always!
i would love to see someone make one of these micro pc's into a dedicated streaming pc for twitch/youtube and see how the performance is with encoding and broadcasting
I don't know why HP calls this a thin client, I think that came out of the marketing department. None of the use cases on its Web page at HP seem to be thin client applications. It appears to be more of a minipc. It was a good choice for a HH video, though
got a couple of these to play with awhile back. steamfork is pretty cool to run on them, good steam boxes. I think the power delivery on the pci-e slot is limited to 30w or so? I tried a 2gb RX 6300 oem card and it would get too hot in the case. good video!
honstly for what it's worth second hand, it be a great platform for Moonlight after it's tweaked or toss on a lightweight linux os and use kodi to access jellyfin servers
Bought one of these a while back and ran into the same issue with that pci slot's cutout for the bracket. Mine is running proxmox with a CT for plex with a Quadro p400 for transcodes.
Did you notice any odd fan ramping up and down while in windows? I had one for a bit to tinker with, then set it up for my parents, and noticed the fan thing. They don't use it enough to care it seems, but it bugs me. In Linux it didn't seem to do it. Maybe I missed some setting somewhere.
I have everything running on two HP t530 thin clients. They're nowhere near as powerful as this, they have a weak 10W pre-Ryzen AMD thing. Still, 4W idle, 10W max TDP, and they run everything I want with room to spare.
I have a t530 as a “standby” home assistant server should my usual dell 5070 fail. For £22 from ebay I cannot moan and 4/5w idle though ideally the 5070s are my choice yet double the t530 price here in the uk.
that power draw doesn't sound that bad compared to my proliant dl180 g6 which is eating a handfull 100w on idle while not being not even as powerful as that client
I still shudder at the thought of Thin Clients, because we used them in a class in college back in 2006. On 100Mbit Ethernet. On the kind of systems that were considered low-end by 2006 standards. Yeah, not a great experience. For the money they spent buying and maintaining the server, they could have equipped three classrooms with usable PCs. What's even worse is it wasn't a class teaching about VMs or even network booting. No, it was a COBOL class, and COBOL is also terrible.
I was looking for something like this for a while and it was between the think centwr m720/m820q or this. The m720q/m920q is more expensive, often requires purchasing a separate pcie riser and requires a custom PCIe backplate. I live in an area where power is cheap and the difference between 7w and 12-15w idle is about $0.50/mo so the power difference wasn't meaningful for me. I also really didn't care about the integrated GPU performance
The best thin client Valorant 80 -110 fps high setting I use it as router , along with pihole That orange cable don't come of from daughter board or mother board please don't try to take it off
You had a good run. I’ll be sad to see you being sued the crap out for playing some Super Mario Bros on an emulator. So long, and thanks for all the fish.
The curse of linux users is that their shit is always boring as fuck. Also they ALWAYS have to insert "hur just use linux!" in every tech support thread or post on the entire internet.
I hope this "thin client" push that manufacturers are trying to make "fetch" is over soon. Now that it's so cheap to make a tiny PC that has abundant processing power, there's no need for something like a terminal which depends on a remote (yet nearby) server to display the GUI and do things. I'd imagine the main benefit of building and hawking thin client devices is being able to bodge together old, underpowered parts gathering dust in the warehouses and recover some value selling screwball boxes to marks.
Weird flex to put SATA only lanes into m key m.2, but that's the least of weird things I've seen in this kind of systems with a lot of proprietary stuff
come _on_ dude, those blue thingies your supposed to screw to correct post on the MB according your drives lenght and you open and close it by twisting the blue knob, you dont screw it in with the drive..
![The Zima Cube is... GOOD now? [ft. Zima Cube Pro]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7KKhgzVjtX8/mqdefault.jpg)
Rest in peace, tteck, we will miss you friend.
who?
@@Soddus. 8:30
A legend of proxmox helper scripts.
Looks like TTeck's wife posted on his behalf on their ko-fi page.
Godspeed TTeck and may you rest in peace.
Edit:
Just saw the rest of the video, the github issue is there as well. 8:36 for timestamp
Did the tteck scripts not move to a community project?
*glances down at my T740 I haven't had a chance to do a video on yet...
DAMMIT COLTEN!
He beat you to the punch, therefore the unwritten rules of UA-cam dictate you're a copycat
I will definitly watch a new vídeo from you @CraftComputing 😂
Yes make a video, then we can compare and make fun of you copying others content 🤣
He can't keep getting away with this!😂
Rip tteck 🕊️
RIP tteck
Been using one of these for 2 years running PfSense w/ Mellanox ConnectX-4LX 2x 10Gb SFP+ nic. I did replace the lid with a custom cut one with a 140mm fan. Rock solid device, with wayy more performance than I need. No its not a super power miser. Thats fine by me though. These were never meant to run very low power. The slot was seemingly meant for a 6400 gpu or other nic. The slot is a x16 but only connectivity of x8.
I have the same setup. ConnextX-4LX on Pfsense. No problems with my 2500/2500 fiber. Note that this box has a BIOS bug that causes the CPU fan to run at bare minimum speeds (or stops) on some bootups. Never seen a proper BIOS fix from HP (check the ServeTheHome thread), and getting the BIOS on the box is pretty annoying.
The dieting-but-not-thin-yet client.
The "Few Extra Pounds" client
Prices (used) in the US: ~ $70. Prices (used) in Europe: ~ 330 to 400€. Strange.
I’ve had a look just now on eBay in the U.K. and these are on the whole in the £600 range. For that money it’s a no go!
Aside from Dell, HP has a strong hold on thin client products. I’d say 90% of my office uses their units, and we actually make good use of the four DisplayPort outputs. Most of our users need to monitor and interact with multiple things simultaneously.
Yes, the power consumption is higher than it should be, but let’s consider two key points:
A: These units are designed to run at peak performance as much as possible. While this may be taxing in the long run, it ensures they’re ready to boost performance instantly.
B: These devices are definitely not designed for consumers or home lab enthusiasts. In offices with VDI infrastructure that requires such thin clients, the power bill isn’t usually a concern. Moreover, large companies often have different pricing structures than residential agreements-many pay a flat rate regardless of high usage.
Not my Dad's channel either!
I bought this for $250 a few years ago. It’s running OPNsense and a dual 10gb NIC, although the installation required some initial tinkering to get up and running.
Care to elaborate? I was thinking this could be a perfect cheap 10gb opnsense box too, since anything else is $250+ to start. Did the tinkering you speak of for the realtek onboard?
@wallyrogers2371 I had to google the problem to remember what I did. Essentially, the system would not boot OPNsense. I had to edit a config file referring to uart.0.at and uart.1.at to get it to work. Great system, although best to use a low power 10gb nic to prevent heat buildup.
aren't the blue things semi-tool-less? I seem to remember feeling they were super clever on some of my lower end HP thin clients, but it's been awhile
I believe you're right, you just lower the SSD and turn them into the locked position.
Well after running my homelab on an hp ProBook 440 g2
I finally got a job
Now I am planning on a hp elitedesk 800 g2
256 gb nvme
1 tb HHD
16 gb ram
But no wifi
As a on the go server
I will install windows (wait)
Because I have some retro and some 2013 games in cd format which i converted to digital disk
It ain't much but all I need now
Windows+ some office software+ some light games + jellyfin for media server and a shared windows folder is all I thing I need now.
Well thanks for inspiration and such vast array of content i really mean it man
In India cost of computer parts do add up fast hence I got a bit creative..
Any advice is welcomed
P.s the system. Is the only one I can afford right now
And it has not arrived yet so I thing in 2 weeks will update on a later video
Thanks to hardware haven, for such fun content,
i mean it's certainly bigger but in the words of the late paul harrell: "it's not enough of a difference, to make a difference"
9:34 Those spring finger plates are usually there to ensure the chassis ground is effectively connected to the metal bracket btw.
That little metal plate thing you pulled out is a ground plate. Its designed to increase the amount of contact area with the card and the case for grounding purposes.
Honestly, Whacked this into Ebay and they are £600... and then some lower models come in and they are less appealing.
Must be very location-dependent. A quick search in the US shows plenty of recent sales between 60-80 US with one recent sale for a lot of 10 for 430 total.
Can get a 13th/14th gen Intel dell 3080 for that much minus the pci slot or a similar spec m90q for £100 less than this. Mad money for a “thin” client
We used these HP t620 / t630 in our office that autolaunched Citrix VDI’s. They were a third the cost of a laptop and if they broke, we replaced the hardware and they were back up and running with their VDI as if nothing happened. Great piece of kit. Working from home killed them off as everyone requested a laptop, and we never got enough employees back in office to justify keeping them. You can get them verrrry cheap now 2nd hand.
price on these is going to skyrocket
it would be a great steamOS box with that pcie slot
I've got one of these with an Intel X550-T2 network card running as a router for my overkill home network. The factory storage drive cause lots of problems with BSD so I do not recommend it for use with pfsense or opnsense but it is otherwise a pretty good machine. I am insufficiently aware of alternatives in the space to recommend it but it has been a good machine for me after throwing in more hardware.
You do not need to pull the fan or USB card to put in an a+e 2.5 gbps card, I have this in both of mine. They are currently running VMware vSpere8 in my lab. I had no trouble with the blue drive holder things. Mine also have Supermicro dual 10gbps cards installed, a little less power/heat than other cards. They will take 64GB of RAM.
New Thermal Paste always needed!
Thinking through this computer...
I see 3 big use-cases.
This might make sense as a CCTV computer. If you write a footage to a NAS with say a 10g port, you could have 4 displays all have a camera up and might make sense to display the 4 camera feeds live.
Digital Signage display. Think Restaurant Menu boards
Zoom Meeting station. Plug in a nice USB Camera/Mic and have 4 displays for all the various people you're meeting with.
4 display ports is pretty wild, very cool as a desktop option IMO
I really like that too. Makes me want to use it for remoting into multiple machines at once. But then I'll need more monitors, and more desk....crap.
Nice Find 👍.
I'm using $45 Dell Wyse 5070, dietpi os with CasaOS. Great little serve, running off solar
You could add a pci express sas card and use it to plug a external jbod. That is if you feel like building an external jbod using an old pc case, another sas card, power supply and a HDcase with backplanes.
i have one of these with a raid card in it, running a rosewell raid enclosure with 4 18tb drives.
came out cheaper and faster than an actual raid set up.
i think i spent 140$ not including drives (obvi)
$300 new?
Then why do I see $1000 parts only listings?
100% a monitor cluster solution. Just a power hungry one.
My Dad's Thin Client was a slide rule. Still have it.
t740 was something I was looking at for a long time to upgrade my wyse5070 test cluster. And then ms01 came around. I think the ms01 was responsible for t740 masive price drop (from 400£)
depending on the actual idle power consumption, this would be a major upgrade to the GX-415GA in my NAS from an old fujitsu thin client
imagine putting an oculink adapter card into that PCIe slot and connecting up an eGPU
Wait, what. Tteck died. Oh no. Thats so fuckin sad man. RIP brother. You were one the greats. Proxmox wont be the same without you.
Condolences to his family.
The metal piece you pulled from near the PCIe slot would be part of the RFI shielding
The amount of odd and interestng computers this guy finds never ceases to amaze me.
Just out of curiosity, what do you do with all such systems you review?
That thing looks so fun to mess with.
OK, I have not watched the video yet (usually watch YT on TV), but I LUSTED after this system for so long, looking forward to watching the rest of the vid. I was more in the 200+ on ebay when I really wanted one and have too many > than 1 liter systems with no purpose at this point to buy one unless you convince me otherwise
Replying to myself, uff, yeah cannot remember why it was so attractive, I think it was that low profile PCIe slot. Thanks so so much for covering this odd little beast
I always love the interesting small systems that you find. I'm sure a system like this has its place (with the PCIe slot I do wonder about use as a router). Regardless I thoroughly enjoyed watching. Thanks as always!
I have been eyeing one of these for a minute now.
Hope you had a happy Thanksgiving, sir!
thanks to you im discovering cpus that never knew that existed.
These are 300€+ in Europe, RIP my aspirations
Funny I just found this myself! lol
i would love to see someone make one of these micro pc's into a dedicated streaming pc for twitch/youtube and see how the performance is with encoding and broadcasting
I don't know why HP calls this a thin client, I think that came out of the marketing department. None of the use cases on its Web page at HP seem to be thin client applications. It appears to be more of a minipc. It was a good choice for a HH video, though
got a couple of these to play with awhile back. steamfork is pretty cool to run on them, good steam boxes. I think the power delivery on the pci-e slot is limited to 30w or so? I tried a 2gb RX 6300 oem card and it would get too hot in the case. good video!
this what pc should be, easy remove ram/storage and upgrade quickly
R.I.P TTECK
Hmmm. At that power level, not a lot of months before a N100 box at just a little bit more is more worth it.
Isn't the power draw suspiciously high? Price is double in EU eBay sadly :/
Checked eBay and there is none on there.. unless I buy the expensive one which is £180/$220 and apparently new in box.
honstly for what it's worth second hand, it be a great platform for Moonlight after it's tweaked or toss on a lightweight linux os and use kodi to access jellyfin servers
Bought one of these a while back and ran into the same issue with that pci slot's cutout for the bracket. Mine is running proxmox with a CT for plex with a Quadro p400 for transcodes.
Awesome video!
Did you notice any odd fan ramping up and down while in windows? I had one for a bit to tinker with, then set it up for my parents, and noticed the fan thing. They don't use it enough to care it seems, but it bugs me. In Linux it didn't seem to do it. Maybe I missed some setting somewhere.
Nice find! Maybe there is an Intel version of this things? With PCI and all?
I have everything running on two HP t530 thin clients. They're nowhere near as powerful as this, they have a weak 10W pre-Ryzen AMD thing. Still, 4W idle, 10W max TDP, and they run everything I want with room to spare.
I have a t530 as a “standby” home assistant server should my usual dell 5070 fail. For £22 from ebay I cannot moan and 4/5w idle though ideally the 5070s are my choice yet double the t530 price here in the uk.
love ur videos keep up! (altought i might not get the same hardware as u its my pleasure to watch them)
The m.2 blue things, your notbsuppose tonrrmove them, rather turn away from ssd, press down and turn back over edge of ssd.
that power draw doesn't sound that bad compared to my proliant dl180 g6 which is eating a handfull 100w on idle while not being not even as powerful as that client
can't find them for less than 350€... i'm not sure how you think it's an economical solution..
A precursor to the "new innovation" the windows 365 cloud PC.
Nice video!
What settings do you use for ebay? I wana be able to find this cool stuff!
Unable to find a reasonable priced one on eBay
Time to wire up a higher wattage power brick and add a Yeston single slot low profile RTX 3050
RIP TTeck
I still shudder at the thought of Thin Clients, because we used them in a class in college back in 2006. On 100Mbit Ethernet. On the kind of systems that were considered low-end by 2006 standards. Yeah, not a great experience. For the money they spent buying and maintaining the server, they could have equipped three classrooms with usable PCs. What's even worse is it wasn't a class teaching about VMs or even network booting. No, it was a COBOL class, and COBOL is also terrible.
I've been looking for something similar to this for a while. A thin client with a n pcie slot but I guess this is not the one.
depends on how much power you want it to have
I was looking for something like this for a while and it was between the think centwr m720/m820q or this. The m720q/m920q is more expensive, often requires purchasing a separate pcie riser and requires a custom PCIe backplate. I live in an area where power is cheap and the difference between 7w and 12-15w idle is about $0.50/mo so the power difference wasn't meaningful for me. I also really didn't care about the integrated GPU performance
The best thin client
Valorant 80 -110 fps high setting
I use it as router , along with pihole
That orange cable don't come of from daughter board or mother board please don't try to take it off
4 DP but not a single HDMI port? That's just sad.
HDMI has license fees, display port doesn't.
£40 on Ebay UK 8GB, £100 16GB WTF
I love HPE
You had a good run. I’ll be sad to see you being sued the crap out for playing some Super Mario Bros on an emulator.
So long, and thanks for all the fish.
Too bad it's still 300+ where I am at
You could put a RX 6400 into it
just checked eBay same model uk £600 wtf
gpu better than the one on my 5500u!
I am not sure about that chief 6:56
thats not a thin client, thats a thick client
A thonk client if you will
Can you upgrade the CPU on this thin Client ?
No. It's soldered to motherboard.
Deal... What ?
mini pc
No GPU?
Daddy wants one
hardware haven
ff sake enoough with this pfsense bullshit , use it for retro gaming with 1050 low profile
The curse of linux users is that their shit is always boring as fuck. Also they ALWAYS have to insert "hur just use linux!" in every tech support thread or post on the entire internet.
love the vids but I'm so done with you clowns mentioning power draw, 20 watts vs 80 watts ain't ending the world bud
I hope this "thin client" push that manufacturers are trying to make "fetch" is over soon. Now that it's so cheap to make a tiny PC that has abundant processing power, there's no need for something like a terminal which depends on a remote (yet nearby) server to display the GUI and do things. I'd imagine the main benefit of building and hawking thin client devices is being able to bodge together old, underpowered parts gathering dust in the warehouses and recover some value selling screwball boxes to marks.
16:02 best part 😅
The thin client thats thic in all the right places. 😂
Weird flex to put SATA only lanes into m key m.2, but that's the least of weird things I've seen in this kind of systems with a lot of proprietary stuff
Instructions unclear: Where the hell am I?
hi
Yo
come _on_ dude, those blue thingies your supposed to screw to correct post on the MB according your drives lenght and you open and close it by twisting the blue knob, you dont screw it in with the drive..
RIP tteck
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