At 3:56 when talking about Greg Norman's foot sliding backward, Milo says, "...the face is a little too open." I think that's the whole point of that move. Greg Norman's miss was left. I think he did everything he could to prevent that clubface from closing, but Greg also had quite a bit of early extension which causes the clubface to close. I think he was fighting one flaw with another the only way he knew how.
Generally when I see high level players miss left the face is too open and they find ways to get it shut and it’s often overdone. Have you ever had your back foot slide on a shot you’ll hook it 100% of the time. Every player I’ve seen with this pattern fires the arms too fast in transition like 🐅 and the 🦈 then slides the foot back to stall the pivot causing the club to unload. Just my 2 cents.
@@MiloLinesGolf I agree, but looking back on his swing it definitely had flaws. I think Greg Norman is an exceptional athlete and was able to compensate but when the pressure got too great his swing didn't hold up.
@@MiloLinesGolf Absolutely, that's what I was saying. I think we totally agree. There's an interesting thing about golf ... Do you think it's easier to prevent the ball from going left or right? I think right, because that's an easy fix by using physics but the ball going left often happens from an attempt to stop the ball from going left or even to help it into the air and in my opinion left is far harder to fix.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf he won over 90 professional tournaments, 2 majors and was generally considered the best driver of the ball ever. Pretty sure his swing held up under pressure just fine. His bad shots happened when he tried to go easy, he hit ball best when he was aggressive. The foot slide was a result of pressures moving down and laterally. Look up Bradley Hughes, he can explain exactly why the feet slide
Super clear as usual, I like how you and Henry relate, the two individual visions have us to see how feel relates - I plan to take a look to see if you have any out here on East Coast who follow your methods for a lesson. Thanks
Convinced me. I've been struggling with a hook or two with with driver lately. I'm going back to marching with my driver. Felt much more stable through the ball with that.
Hey Peter! Kind of depends where one is with their swing, but often times it has to do with getting pressure to the lead side. Step drills and heel taps are great for this reason: ua-cam.com/video/leKufp2u3sw/v-deo.html
Okay, so, I have watched every feet and ground pressure video I could find in the last hour or so. What I have gotten is in transition the trail foot is suppose to feel like it is gripping the ground and twisting clockwise. Is that the motion it is trying to create all the way until it gets pulled into your finish? Also, what is it doing in the backswing? What I got from the lead leg is that after squatting, it is used to pressure into the ground to push away from the direction the club is swinging. Which would be kinda of diagonally backwards and towards your center. Besides the pressure though, is it trying to grip and push the ground a certain way? Such as with the trail foot that is twisting, but also applying pressure to the ground. Like is it trying to slide the ground forward or something? There is a few ways that the foot is applied to the ground. The pressure/force you are pushing more so downwards and applying to the ground. Theres also the direction which you would be sliding or turning your foot if on a smooth surface. Such as forwards, backwards, or rotational. I have heard many different directions you should be trying to slide the ground (for lack of better words). Such as, I heard someone recently saying you should be trying to slide your trail foot forward and the lead foot backward in the back swing, and then the opposite in the downswing. It definitely does rotate your hips. I dont know if you would need that speed/tempo in the backswing. It does at some zip in the down swing though, but I dont know if its right kind. Is there any truth to this? You did say that if the trail foot came off the ground it would slide backwards. Is that only cause by the clockwise motion though? This could be an idea for a video as well. The pressure and movement of each foot throughout the swing.
Milo, great video. When your moving pressure to the lead side in the downswing, should the force be going into the outside ball of foot from horizontal force?
Good video. Drill with the plate helps a lot to feel what to do!!! I even try to hit ball with the plate !!! Last drill is also great and should be a basic training for those who are struggling with their lower body. Can you use the plate with the left foot? bruno
Really good video… I guess the question would be, by keeping your right foot down and banking it through your iron shots, could it in fact increase the likelihood of your face traveling slightly farther down the line through impact providing more clubhead stability through impact..? Most other motions that you reviewed would seem to have slightly more rotational energy through the actual impact zone. 🤔
Not trolling...but the greatest ball striker ever kept his rear foot on the ground until after impact with his invented single plane swing. Producing 107 mph club head speed all day long at 64 years old...it just looked funny...I know that's not what is taught in the modern golf swing but it's good to know your enemy. Much respect
@@chriswalker9288 If you read Trevino’s golf book “groove your swing my way“ he talks in detail about how he set up and moves his body to create a flatter and more linear zone through impact. By doing this he was able to create a more consistent trajectory with better club face control through impact. It’s interesting to look at how the various greats of all time load and release their accumulators down through impact. Both Trevino and Moe tend to support a double anchor pivot based on the golfing machine. Trevino states he does not want his left leg straight at impact as it causes him to spin out and pull the club back to the inside too soon. Rather, he is adamant about sliding to the left. This intern would be like spinning a wheel and then dragging it through impact. For the slight moment through impact it creates a flatter area. Moe Norman also talked about extending the club out square far past impact still on the target line. Although this is physically impossible based on the 13 joints in the body, both motions from those players seem to create what they were looking to achieve. And based on their ball striking, I would say they were doing that better than almost all others. At the beginning of Trevino‘s book he talks about the average tour player having 2 inches through impact versus the way he approaches it and achieving 3 inches. He then states that this number is not what the key is, but that three is 50% more than two. That being said if he can achieve even a slightly flatter and straighter line through impact, his odds were always going to be greater that he would not miss hit the shot. If you Study the golfing machine by Homer Kelly, and have not read Trevino‘s book. You definitely need to get it. He was highly cognitive of exactly what he was doing. And after studying his swing thoroughly you can see him performing exactly what he says he’s doing👍
it's funny because literally yesterday i was doing the right foot sliding motion and I got so much more power and consistency from it. It was due to the forward bend I had to acquire and the posting on that left side I believe that allowed this. If you rotate your hips in the downswing enough to where they are pointing towards the target it is a really efficient power move that scottie scheffler does nowadays.
I used to try and release my trail side at or past the ball but now i release it closer to my trail foot and its my lead side release that takes me to/past the ball if that makes sense!
I’m a little confused. Does turning the trail foot clockwise mean the heal comes up (like you described at the end of the video). The trail foot turning clockwise is the only way I can get open or not early release on the downswing. But my heal doesn’t pop up.
I concur…any lateral movement of the hips in the downswing will more than likely result in the reverse C finish and/or put pressure on the lower back. The more pressure that’s put on the lower back, the better chance one has of eventually needing a spinal fusion. Suffice it to say I wish I was never taught the reverse C finish.
I wonder what would happen if you stood farther away from ball, isnt much of these squats moves there to create room for arms to move through the swing?
I think GN foot slide was a counterbalance to very aggressive fast arm action. Ive seen throwers do this, dont 10 pin bowlers do this! Interestingly GN must have worked a lot on his lower body action, he calls it his power piston drill, A lot like MMs view (and mine) on how the hips work with his pulley drill.
Good stuff, but I think Greg Norman's foot slide took pressure off the back, it's just like bowling or olympic hammer throw, there's not much pressure or torque on the back when you are free wheeling on one leg. Mike Austin, Dunaway, Moe Norman, and Ben Hogan not much different. Also see this foot slide a lot in baseball.
Dear Milo and Henry, i saw a video of a corean pro on youtube who were trying to discribe the motion from the backswing position into transition and rotating the hips like this: from the backswing position he was jumping counterclockwise landing on his feet 180 degrees. So he turned around. i copied the link: Is that the feeling of transition and turning properly. ua-cam.com/video/QIQBzQn-b6o/v-deo.html Would be pleased to hear what you two say about this .For me, if i do anything with my feet, me right hips comes forward. This "corean style" of feeling the turn suits me more i guess.
Telling people to get up on their right toes is going to get their right side going out and lead to heel shots and shanks. Most people aren’t going to have any room for their arms doing this move, and in fact most hacks already do this. Would not recommend.
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At 3:56 when talking about Greg Norman's foot sliding backward, Milo says, "...the face is a little too open." I think that's the whole point of that move. Greg Norman's miss was left. I think he did everything he could to prevent that clubface from closing, but Greg also had quite a bit of early extension which causes the clubface to close. I think he was fighting one flaw with another the only way he knew how.
Hard to call them flaws the way he hit it, but great points!
Generally when I see high level players miss left the face is too open and they find ways to get it shut and it’s often overdone. Have you ever had your back foot slide on a shot you’ll hook it 100% of the time. Every player I’ve seen with this pattern fires the arms too fast in transition like 🐅 and the 🦈 then slides the foot back to stall the pivot causing the club to unload. Just my 2 cents.
@@MiloLinesGolf I agree, but looking back on his swing it definitely had flaws. I think Greg Norman is an exceptional athlete and was able to compensate but when the pressure got too great his swing didn't hold up.
@@MiloLinesGolf Absolutely, that's what I was saying. I think we totally agree.
There's an interesting thing about golf ... Do you think it's easier to prevent the ball from going left or right? I think right, because that's an easy fix by using physics but the ball going left often happens from an attempt to stop the ball from going left or even to help it into the air and in my opinion left is far harder to fix.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf he won over 90 professional tournaments, 2 majors and was generally considered the best driver of the ball ever. Pretty sure his swing held up under pressure just fine. His bad shots happened when he tried to go easy, he hit ball best when he was aggressive. The foot slide was a result of pressures moving down and laterally. Look up Bradley Hughes, he can explain exactly why the feet slide
Great info and demo, thanks Milo and Henry.
Our pleasure!
Super clear as usual, I like how you and Henry relate, the two individual visions have us to see how feel relates - I plan to take a look to see if you have any out here on East Coast who follow your methods for a lesson. Thanks
Thanks Steve! At this time we don't have any Milo Lines Golf coaches on the east coast. You can find our team members at milolinesgolf.com.
Convinced me. I've been struggling with a hook or two with with driver lately. I'm going back to marching with my driver. Felt much more stable through the ball with that.
Love it, Ben!
Milo, good vid!
Is there a drill to stop from keeping the foot down too long?
Hey Peter! Kind of depends where one is with their swing, but often times it has to do with getting pressure to the lead side. Step drills and heel taps are great for this reason: ua-cam.com/video/leKufp2u3sw/v-deo.html
@@MiloLinesGolf thank you!
Okay, so, I have watched every feet and ground pressure video I could find in the last hour or so. What I have gotten is in transition the trail foot is suppose to feel like it is gripping the ground and twisting clockwise. Is that the motion it is trying to create all the way until it gets pulled into your finish? Also, what is it doing in the backswing?
What I got from the lead leg is that after squatting, it is used to pressure into the ground to push away from the direction the club is swinging. Which would be kinda of diagonally backwards and towards your center. Besides the pressure though, is it trying to grip and push the ground a certain way? Such as with the trail foot that is twisting, but also applying pressure to the ground. Like is it trying to slide the ground forward or something? There is a few ways that the foot is applied to the ground. The pressure/force you are pushing more so downwards and applying to the ground. Theres also the direction which you would be sliding or turning your foot if on a smooth surface. Such as forwards, backwards, or rotational. I have heard many different directions you should be trying to slide the ground (for lack of better words). Such as, I heard someone recently saying you should be trying to slide your trail foot forward and the lead foot backward in the back swing, and then the opposite in the downswing. It definitely does rotate your hips. I dont know if you would need that speed/tempo in the backswing. It does at some zip in the down swing though, but I dont know if its right kind. Is there any truth to this? You did say that if the trail foot came off the ground it would slide backwards. Is that only cause by the clockwise motion though?
This could be an idea for a video as well. The pressure and movement of each foot throughout the swing.
Thanks. That’s exactly the information I was looking for.
Glad to hear it!
Milo, great video. When your moving pressure to the lead side in the downswing, should the force be going into the outside ball of foot from horizontal force?
planting from rotational and lateral force into middle of ball, then outer, then heel...flows
Good video. Drill with the plate helps a lot to feel what to do!!! I even try to hit ball with the plate !!!
Last drill is also great and should be a basic training for those who are struggling with their lower body.
Can you use the plate with the left foot?
bruno
no, you'll fall, unless you're left handed haha
Another excellent video!
Thanks again, Jay!
Really good video… I guess the question would be, by keeping your right foot down and banking it through your iron shots, could it in fact increase the likelihood of your face traveling slightly farther down the line through impact providing more clubhead stability through impact..? Most other motions that you reviewed would seem to have slightly more rotational energy through the actual impact zone. 🤔
Thanks! A clubhead traveling down the target line or chasing can cause other problems. The club ought to move back up and around on the arc.
Not trolling...but the greatest ball striker ever kept his rear foot on the ground until after impact with his invented single plane swing. Producing 107 mph club head speed all day long at 64 years old...it just looked funny...I know that's not what is taught in the modern golf swing but it's good to know your enemy. Much respect
@@chriswalker9288 If you read Trevino’s golf book “groove your swing my way“ he talks in detail about how he set up and moves his body to create a flatter and more linear zone through impact. By doing this he was able to create a more consistent trajectory with better club face control through impact. It’s interesting to look at how the various greats of all time load and release their accumulators down through impact. Both Trevino and Moe tend to support a double anchor pivot based on the golfing machine. Trevino states he does not want his left leg straight at impact as it causes him to spin out and pull the club back to the inside too soon. Rather, he is adamant about sliding to the left. This intern would be like spinning a wheel and then dragging it through impact. For the slight moment through impact it creates a flatter area. Moe Norman also talked about extending the club out square far past impact still on the target line. Although this is physically impossible based on the 13 joints in the body, both motions from those players seem to create what they were looking to achieve. And based on their ball striking, I would say they were doing that better than almost all others. At the beginning of Trevino‘s book he talks about the average tour player having 2 inches through impact versus the way he approaches it and achieving 3 inches. He then states that this number is not what the key is, but that three is 50% more than two. That being said if he can achieve even a slightly flatter and straighter line through impact, his odds were always going to be greater that he would not miss hit the shot. If you Study the golfing machine by Homer Kelly, and have not read Trevino‘s book. You definitely need to get it. He was highly cognitive of exactly what he was doing. And after studying his swing thoroughly you can see him performing exactly what he says he’s doing👍
Milo, can you do a video on hitting out of fairway bunkers? Thanks!
Will do Brad!
it's funny because literally yesterday i was doing the right foot sliding motion and I got so much more power and consistency from it. It was due to the forward bend I had to acquire and the posting on that left side I believe that allowed this. If you rotate your hips in the downswing enough to where they are pointing towards the target it is a really efficient power move that scottie scheffler does nowadays.
Appears to work for him, just hope it doesn't lead to any back issues down the road. He's a great talent!
Do NOT coppy him 😂
I used to try and release my trail side at or past the ball but now i release it closer to my trail foot and its my lead side release that takes me to/past the ball if that makes sense!
You got it, Graham!
I’m a little confused. Does turning the trail foot clockwise mean the heal comes up (like you described at the end of the video).
The trail foot turning clockwise is the only way I can get open or not early release on the downswing. But my heal doesn’t pop up.
depends on the player, doesn't have to
Scotty Schefler has the right foot “bowling” move
Yes
Interesting.
Thanks for watching!
I concur…any lateral movement of the hips in the downswing will more than likely result in the reverse C finish and/or put pressure on the lower back. The more pressure that’s put on the lower back, the better chance one has of eventually needing a spinal fusion. Suffice it to say I wish I was never taught the reverse C finish.
Not my preference, yep.
Two heads is better than one . . again, great stuff.
Haha thanks!
Interesting
Thanks for watching Daniel!
I wonder what would happen if you stood farther away from ball, isnt much of these squats moves there to create room for arms to move through the swing?
I think GN foot slide was a counterbalance to very aggressive fast arm action. Ive seen throwers do this, dont 10 pin bowlers do this! Interestingly GN must have worked a lot on his lower body action, he calls it his power piston drill, A lot like MMs view (and mine) on how the hips work with his pulley drill.
Yes fast arms need to be counter balanced in order to square the face.
Good stuff, but I think Greg Norman's foot slide took pressure off the back, it's just like bowling or olympic hammer throw, there's not much pressure or torque on the back when you are free wheeling on one leg. Mike Austin, Dunaway, Moe Norman, and Ben Hogan not much different. Also see this foot slide a lot in baseball.
Great Video I read somewhere that Norman’s back slide was accentuated by metal spikes and how much he gripped the ground.
Tee scrapes, haha.
Bob Gilder, Scottie Scheffler both trail foot sliders... I feel like its a last minute don't hook it move.
Tends to matchup with a bit more lateral and tilt. Can work though.
Yeah, I just can get it right.
👊
Dear Milo and Henry, i saw a video of a corean pro on youtube who were trying to discribe the motion from the backswing position into transition and rotating the hips like this: from the backswing position he was jumping counterclockwise landing on his feet 180 degrees. So he turned around. i copied the link:
Is that the feeling of transition and turning properly. ua-cam.com/video/QIQBzQn-b6o/v-deo.html
Would be pleased to hear what you two say about this .For me, if i do anything with my feet, me right hips comes forward. This "corean style" of feeling the turn suits me more i guess.
That is why the Shark blocked a lot of important shots.
I know stuff.
Could be.
Great video, oddly enough if anyone ever says Tiger Woods does this I stop the video and try it immediately. Sorry, not sorry.
I'm sorry I don't quite understand.
@@MiloLinesGolf I meant that if any instructor says that tiger woods does something i stop the video and try that thing immediately
@@MrBrokentowels ha well he is pretty good 😉
Telling people to get up on their right toes is going to get their right side going out and lead to heel shots and shanks. Most people aren’t going to have any room for their arms doing this move, and in fact most hacks already do this.
Would not recommend.
Don’t believe we are encouraging pushing off like you say here.
"Marching move " is a Kelvin Miyahira term.
Yes I think he coined it
Wayyyy to confusing
Is there something you would like clarity on?
Interesting
Thanks