I'm 66, started playing in 1989. I just don't have the arm speed for a distance driver... I get all the distance I need out of fairway drivers. After all these years, I still love this game.
In windy conditions having stable & understable discs with speeds outside the speed and power of person is very helpful. For me, I really don't have any business messing with anything higher than an 11 speed but I bag a few discs up in the 13 speed arena just to help out my confidence towards the wind ruining my shot. I also live in Kansas and my local course has the back 9 on top of an open ridge where the wind reigns supreme, and those discs save me all the time.
Great stuff! After 20 years of avoiding fairway drivers for whatever reason, I'm now throwing them 80% of the time and getting more distance than ever before. The Cicada and Halo Roadrunner in particular are consistently breaking my previous best distance marks (around 350' max for me)
I think is wildly strange and disrespectful that so many guys feel it’s in their place to critique the woman ranked 24th in the world with a higher rating than 90% of commenters.
My off season was spent struggling with this same issue. I'm throwing Constructs and Mantras nearly as far, or as far on some shots, as my Waves or Scorches. It really changed the way I think about shot selection, and I find myself throwing fairway and control drivers for a lot more shots than I did last year, to control the line and the ground play. It's made me a lot more confident going into this season than last, even if most of my bag is pretty new to me!
Try a Valkyrie! It's a straight/stable 9-speed fairway driver that's the most aerodynamic disc in that class from Innova. The sharp rim configuration and low height of the disc should fly really far for your arm speed. Also from TSA is the Mantra and Construct, as well as the Infinite Discs Dynasty! 🙂
The slower the disc, the more control you get. I try to throw the slowest disc for the shot. But I'm not a pro. So you would know better than me. Love your videos and thanks for sharing.
Always bag the wide rims! Great for cutting wind, skip shots, and little (and big) chop shots in the woods. Being able to manipulating the angle and torque to navigate winding wooded fairways takes alot finesse, commitment and creativity, but also a high speed distance driver lol
Exactly the same for me. I play mostly tight courses and I’m not really throwing DDs due to the space the S shape takes. If it’s open in throw them for the extra 7-10 meters.
I think if your a pro, you need every kind of disc option in your bag. So yes you may want more fairway drivers in your bag overall but, you should still have like 2-3 distance drivers you can throw in a open field type shot in my opinion. I think you may have better luck with lighter weight distance drivers, with slower arm speed. Lighter plastic may work better for you.
I need speed 1 to 14 disc's but for most players they def don't need distance drivers at all. My friends that play casually will not except this fact tho! 😂 I'll send this video thanks!!! 🎉
My only distance driver is a pro Beast. I also do great off the tee with these: champ TL³, glow Falk, AB TeeBird³, halo Leopard³, opto Jade, and a lucid Escape.
Important to consider your flight ceiling. If you have vertical room & less wind you can use the fairway on a steeper hyzer and more height to allow for more glide out.
I'm finding @ 60yo, my 7/8 speed stable and understable(Discmania FD, Innova TL3, and Sreamline Drift) discs are my go to drivers. They go 325ft for me. Distant drivers like Thrashers in Zlite go 330ft but unpredicable. I've finally checked my ego at the 1st tee pad and throw lighter, understable, fairway discs and my game has improved and having more fun.
I rarely use a distance driver. They only go 20 feet further than my 9 speeds but they can turn and fade a whole lot more. I used them if I need a longer fade or if I have a wide open fairway that requires 400 feet.
Definitely taking this info into account but also, 20 ft could make or break you on OB or even a placement shot on a dog leg track. Tons to consider, which is probably why I’m not that good… I just wanna throw 😅
I realized last year I could throw any disc and it would land the same distance off the pad, and I've realized now that fairways are my money makers currently.
I consider anything speed 9 or above a distance driver. Something about their flight is more exciting to watch than a 7 speed. Distance drivers just look more impressive in the air, even if they don't go that much further. Plus, if it's a really perfect throw or they hit an air current just right, they can take more advantage and turn your big drive into a monster smash
Well, Ohn Scoggins doesn't throw much farther than 330-350ft out on the course. KT pushes a little farther when needed, and Missy isn't throwing much over 350ft.
Nice little test. I've had the same conclusions about my own disc selection and I'm also right around the same armspeed getting about 20' extra on distancedrivers compared to fairways however those distancedrivers are only the ones I bag and are comfortable with I do have some really temperamental and freaky drivers I bring out sometimes that adds annother 15' on top of that IF i hit them right yet those discs are almost impossible to get the right flight out of (those would be the 'destiny' and the 'relativity'). Most rounds I play at my homecourse I only have 2 distancedrivers, one for the flipup shots when I feel brave and a ballista pro for when I need to push forward and still get a big skip at the end, by contrast I carry 7 fairwaydrivers and 4 mids.
Sweet, hopefully yall enjoyed playing Deussen park. I guess it's all relative to how you want to shape your shots, right? These Texas winds are unpredictable. They're swirly, and what feels like a tailwind at the tee can turn into a headwind halfway down the fairway. So I'll club up on those days to hedge against the unpredictability of wind play. Mids for putter shots, Distance for Fairway shots. I dont like changing angles because I can't throw as hard adding more hyzer
Lykke, you want to have a good sample size to remove the uncertainty as much as you can. If you really want to know, I'd recommend logging 30 throws for each type of disc and recording the distances. Do this over a couple of days maybe so that there's no concern about throwing so many discs in one go and that impacting your arm. Make sure that the conditions are nearly identical during each session. Once you have all of the data, you can put it all in a spreadsheet and run some simple statistics to see how the performance compares. I'd be happy to run the numbers for you if it's something you're really curious about.
I played a tournament a month ago that was on a course with similar fairways to WR Jackson, and I didn't touch a disc over a 9 speed. I figured out that the Thunderbird is my best friend on a wooded course that requires shots that are 375+. So little movement left-to-right, and way less skip at the end.
I have never found the Thunderbird to be a useful driver. Way to over stable, can bearly get 260ft before meat hook. I want to like that disc so much but it does not go far. I've even had 166g Champion and Star plastic and same outcome. Might try a 150-155g in DX.DX beats in like mad. I like the rim width of a 9 speed.
@@markhumphrey8894 you might find something like the Innova Savant, Innova Sidewinder or Millennium Orion LS more useful for that slot. I think the Sidewinder would surprise you with how useful it is even though the numbers suggest it's super flippy.
I like the idea, but I'd be curious of a "9 speed" result like a Roadrunner or Valk. Also curious if the disc weights are the same as the older Halo blend runs are more OS, but the newer ones are not as beefy and closer to OG Star Plastic feel. Something like a Halo Valkyrie would be in between a Teebird and Halo Maya (if they are 175g) imo.
I throw mainly 6 speeds now. Players should be looking at what discs distance design is. If youre throwing nukes but you can only throw 300, youre hurting your game. Fairways are good for 350 to 400, so there isnt much reasons to go higher than a 10 speed if youre throwing under 400.
I’ve been wrestling with the same issue. I just took my 9 speeds out because I wasn’t seeing tons of difference between them and my 7’s. But I do have a meaningful gap between 7’s and 12’s. Though maybe I’m living a lie…?
Cool video. One thing I'm not sure i heard about was elevation. Downhill, I think your distance driver would end up traveling like 400'. Nice shooting though
Yes, thank you. The misuse is rampant and it drives me crazy. However, in this case, I'll give her a break, since it is possible that English is not her native language.
@@happycampers6592 English is not my native language and it still drives me nuts, as I struggled to learn some of the nuances of the English language which can be put back to questioning by so many UA-camrs 😅
What I find odd is you clearly have the power to get that S-shape flight out of them. So Im surprised they didnt really go much farther. Could it just be because of the headwind?
Yeah, the headwind probably didn’t help. But they all had headwind so didn’t really matter for this test. If I was testing out my max distance it would’ve matter a lot more 😅
There's a lot of hearing impaired players in disc golf. There's a whole national tour for them. Also some people watch without the volume up. These captions are much easier to follow than the youtube generated ones.
This AM55 agrees with the premise. Know your distances and your range of accuracy. Then, build your tournament plan around those discs and shots. Increase your fairway hits, reduce your scramble, and limit your putting strokes.
This could have been a great video, but had no context. "This disk did did pretty good" I would have liked to see speed numbers, and maybe even a chart at the end? But sadly, she knew the discs, and it was a good test for her, but not for the viewers.
I think you're just not getting enough spin to make the distance drivers fly further - you really have enough throwing speed and obviously enough spin for your fairways to work well. I struggle with spin rate for drivers to be effective for distance, but are me go-to in higher winds or overhands. If you are controlling your fairways when you're throwing them that far, you are doing good for yourself. There are some who have had much success throwing drivers with slower arm speeds - just check out Val Jenkins' (Doss) throwing style, among a few others.
I turn the closed captioning on so it's 2× distracting, and I'm also wearing five pairs of underwear because four wasn't quite cutting off the circulation.
Closed captioning should be added to the meta data of the video file. The contrast of the text they put on the screen will not always be great if light coloura are behind it. I'm glad they made the effort though, most will not.
Unless you have 110 metres of distance, or you need discs for headwinds, or you need the specific flight shape, there is practically no point in throwing drivers. For the last 3 years I have been taking out drivers, and putting in Speed 7s and 9s - and even at 59, my scores are coming down. :) Speed 9 Saint @170g is just about the longest disc I have. Apart from a 150 gram Blizzard Wraith, which is crazy long in no wind.
Yeah at 53 I'm in the same camp. My fastest discs are 9-speeds and I use them for select shots. I rely on my 7 speeds for most drives, and mids if I need straighter and more controlled drives.
I gave up distance drivers. I don't throw anything faster than an 8 speed. I throw the Fairways nearly as far as the Distance drivers, but with sooo much more control. Long courses are tough, but with my noodle arm, they always have been.
American here, you don't need the subtitles, your English is excellent and you are easy to understand
They still can be useful for non-native English speakers like her fans in Norway ;-)
Saying this as a French living in the USA
I'm 66, started playing in 1989.
I just don't have the arm speed for a distance driver... I get all the distance I need out of fairway drivers. After all these years, I still love this game.
Wow! You’ve played since 1989? That’s really cool! Disc golf is awesome!
In windy conditions having stable & understable discs with speeds outside the speed and power of person is very helpful. For me, I really don't have any business messing with anything higher than an 11 speed but I bag a few discs up in the 13 speed arena just to help out my confidence towards the wind ruining my shot. I also live in Kansas and my local course has the back 9 on top of an open ridge where the wind reigns supreme, and those discs save me all the time.
Great stuff! After 20 years of avoiding fairway drivers for whatever reason, I'm now throwing them 80% of the time and getting more distance than ever before. The Cicada and Halo Roadrunner in particular are consistently breaking my previous best distance marks (around 350' max for me)
That’s awesome!! I’m glad to hear you’re throwing fairway drivers now 🔥🔥
I think is wildly strange and disrespectful that so many guys feel it’s in their place to critique the woman ranked 24th in the world with a higher rating than 90% of commenters.
Golly! I'd like to thow like Lykke!
My off season was spent struggling with this same issue. I'm throwing Constructs and Mantras nearly as far, or as far on some shots, as my Waves or Scorches. It really changed the way I think about shot selection, and I find myself throwing fairway and control drivers for a lot more shots than I did last year, to control the line and the ground play. It's made me a lot more confident going into this season than last, even if most of my bag is pretty new to me!
Great video! I think the same thing. I’ve played with nothing more than a 5spd and have thrown my lowest rounds.
I found this video to be very helpful, and plan to do a similar test for myself. Thank you.
I’m glad to hear it!! Let me know your results if you ever test, very interested to hear what you get out of it. Thanks for watching my video 🙏🏽
Try a Valkyrie! It's a straight/stable 9-speed fairway driver that's the most aerodynamic disc in that class from Innova. The sharp rim configuration and low height of the disc should fly really far for your arm speed. Also from TSA is the Mantra and Construct, as well as the Infinite Discs Dynasty! 🙂
Thank you for your advice. I'll try tomorrow.
The slower the disc, the more control you get. I try to throw the slowest disc for the shot. But I'm not a pro. So you would know better than me. Love your videos and thanks for sharing.
Always bag the wide rims! Great for cutting wind, skip shots, and little (and big) chop shots in the woods. Being able to manipulating the angle and torque to navigate winding wooded fairways takes alot finesse, commitment and creativity, but also a high speed distance driver lol
Dude you're a badass Don't let the world bring you down You're going to go far
Exactly the same for me. I play mostly tight courses and I’m not really throwing DDs due to the space the S shape takes. If it’s open in throw them for the extra 7-10 meters.
Deussen Park! Fun little park style track.
I thought I recognized that park!
This is what I like the Aura Constructs for. Not the beefy Nebula Aura ones that I've seen you use. It's a night and day difference.
Construct is awesome!!
I think if your a pro, you need every kind of disc option in your bag. So yes you may want more fairway drivers in your bag overall but, you should still have like 2-3 distance drivers you can throw in a open field type shot in my opinion. I think you may have better luck with lighter weight distance drivers, with slower arm speed. Lighter plastic may work better for you.
I need speed 1 to 14 disc's but for most players they def don't need distance drivers at all. My friends that play casually will not except this fact tho! 😂 I'll send this video thanks!!! 🎉
My only distance driver is a pro Beast. I also do great off the tee with these: champ TL³, glow Falk, AB TeeBird³, halo Leopard³, opto Jade, and a lucid Escape.
Love the Halo Leopard3!
Important to consider your flight ceiling. If you have vertical room & less wind you can use the fairway on a steeper hyzer and more height to allow for more glide out.
I'm finding @ 60yo, my 7/8 speed stable and understable(Discmania FD, Innova TL3, and Sreamline Drift) discs are my go to drivers. They go 325ft for me. Distant drivers like Thrashers in Zlite go 330ft but unpredicable. I've finally checked my ego at the 1st tee pad and throw lighter, understable, fairway discs and my game has improved and having more fun.
I rarely use a distance driver. They only go 20 feet further than my 9 speeds but they can turn and fade a whole lot more. I used them if I need a longer fade or if I have a wide open fairway that requires 400 feet.
Definitely taking this info into account but also, 20 ft could make or break you on OB or even a placement shot on a dog leg track. Tons to consider, which is probably why I’m not that good… I just wanna throw 😅
I realized last year I could throw any disc and it would land the same distance off the pad, and I've realized now that fairways are my money makers currently.
Honestly for me it’s about shot shaping and hitting angles 30 feet doesn’t matter if its in the woods
I consider anything speed 9 or above a distance driver.
Something about their flight is more exciting to watch than a 7 speed.
Distance drivers just look more impressive in the air, even if they don't go that much further.
Plus, if it's a really perfect throw or they hit an air current just right, they can take more advantage and turn your big drive into a monster smash
To be competitive in FPO professionally, what distance do you need to throw mids, fairways and drivers accurately? Emphasis on accuracy. Thanks
Well, Ohn Scoggins doesn't throw much farther than 330-350ft out on the course. KT pushes a little farther when needed, and Missy isn't throwing much over 350ft.
330 and phenomenal putting
@@prattacaster Ohn also throws Destroyers for upshots lol
Nice little test. I've had the same conclusions about my own disc selection and I'm also right around the same armspeed getting about 20' extra on distancedrivers compared to fairways however those distancedrivers are only the ones I bag and are comfortable with I do have some really temperamental and freaky drivers I bring out sometimes that adds annother 15' on top of that IF i hit them right yet those discs are almost impossible to get the right flight out of (those would be the 'destiny' and the 'relativity'). Most rounds I play at my homecourse I only have 2 distancedrivers, one for the flipup shots when I feel brave and a ballista pro for when I need to push forward and still get a big skip at the end, by contrast I carry 7 fairwaydrivers and 4 mids.
Sweet, hopefully yall enjoyed playing Deussen park. I guess it's all relative to how you want to shape your shots, right? These Texas winds are unpredictable. They're swirly, and what feels like a tailwind at the tee can turn into a headwind halfway down the fairway. So I'll club up on those days to hedge against the unpredictability of wind play. Mids for putter shots, Distance for Fairway shots. I dont like changing angles because I can't throw as hard adding more hyzer
Lykke, you want to have a good sample size to remove the uncertainty as much as you can. If you really want to know, I'd recommend logging 30 throws for each type of disc and recording the distances. Do this over a couple of days maybe so that there's no concern about throwing so many discs in one go and that impacting your arm. Make sure that the conditions are nearly identical during each session. Once you have all of the data, you can put it all in a spreadsheet and run some simple statistics to see how the performance compares. I'd be happy to run the numbers for you if it's something you're really curious about.
In the video she is only confirming what she already knows from tens of thousands of throws....
If a headwind would be best to go both into and with the wind for an average.
Great info from this video. Maybe lightweight 9/10 speed discs could be your bomber drives?
Thank you. I’m going to go perform the same test.
I played a tournament a month ago that was on a course with similar fairways to WR Jackson, and I didn't touch a disc over a 9 speed. I figured out that the Thunderbird is my best friend on a wooded course that requires shots that are 375+. So little movement left-to-right, and way less skip at the end.
I have never found the Thunderbird to be a useful driver. Way to over stable, can bearly get 260ft before meat hook. I want to like that disc so much but it does not go far. I've even had 166g Champion and Star plastic and same outcome. Might try a 150-155g in DX.DX beats in like mad. I like the rim width of a 9 speed.
@@markhumphrey8894 you might find something like the Innova Savant, Innova Sidewinder or Millennium Orion LS more useful for that slot. I think the Sidewinder would surprise you with how useful it is even though the numbers suggest it's super flippy.
I like the idea, but I'd be curious of a "9 speed" result like a Roadrunner or Valk. Also curious if the disc weights are the same as the older Halo blend runs are more OS, but the newer ones are not as beefy and closer to OG Star Plastic feel.
Something like a Halo Valkyrie would be in between a Teebird and Halo Maya (if they are 175g) imo.
I throw mainly 6 speeds now.
Players should be looking at what discs distance design is. If youre throwing nukes but you can only throw 300, youre hurting your game. Fairways are good for 350 to 400, so there isnt much reasons to go higher than a 10 speed if youre throwing under 400.
I’ve been wrestling with the same issue. I just took my 9 speeds out because I wasn’t seeing tons of difference between them and my 7’s. But I do have a meaningful gap between 7’s and 12’s. Though maybe I’m living a lie…?
That’s my home course lol I didn’t see you guys
Cool video. One thing I'm not sure i heard about was elevation. Downhill, I think your distance driver would end up traveling like 400'. Nice shooting though
so I wonder do most Pro Tour players putt with anything other than a actual putter? when I am in circle 2 I usually putt with a fairway driver
great points, for good golf shots FD is ideal. Did you consider your weights for the FD and DD? lighter DD could go much farther
*Farther*
'Farther' is greater in a physical sense.
'Further' is greater in a metaphorical sense.
Yes, thank you. The misuse is rampant and it drives me crazy. However, in this case, I'll give her a break, since it is possible that English is not her native language.
@@happycampers6592 English is not my native language and it still drives me nuts, as I struggled to learn some of the nuances of the English language which can be put back to questioning by so many UA-camrs 😅
those were nice lines!
What I find odd is you clearly have the power to get that S-shape flight out of them. So Im surprised they didnt really go much farther. Could it just be because of the headwind?
Yeah, the headwind probably didn’t help. But they all had headwind so didn’t really matter for this test. If I was testing out my max distance it would’ve matter a lot more 😅
Gonna add another comment about the captions...definitely not needed. It's plenty easy to hear and understand you. You're doing great work by the way.
There's a lot of hearing impaired players in disc golf. There's a whole national tour for them. Also some people watch without the volume up. These captions are much easier to follow than the youtube generated ones.
thanks for this informative vid! very luck is Brad
This AM55 agrees with the premise. Know your distances and your range of accuracy. Then, build your tournament plan around those discs and shots. Increase your fairway hits, reduce your scramble, and limit your putting strokes.
This could have been a great video, but had no context. "This disk did did pretty good"
I would have liked to see speed numbers, and maybe even a chart at the end?
But sadly, she knew the discs, and it was a good test for her, but not for the viewers.
It’s wild how the entire comment section is just one sided mansplaining paragraphs about either her English or flight characteristics
white knight spotted
@@nautilusshell940 🤓
I think you're just not getting enough spin to make the distance drivers fly further - you really have enough throwing speed and obviously enough spin for your fairways to work well. I struggle with spin rate for drivers to be effective for distance, but are me go-to in higher winds or overhands. If you are controlling your fairways when you're throwing them that far, you are doing good for yourself. There are some who have had much success throwing drivers with slower arm speeds - just check out Val Jenkins' (Doss) throwing style, among a few others.
11 speed max for me.
Try a fission wave and see what you get out of it.
I haven't got the fastest arm and have been getting good results out of a lighter weight neutron Wave I recently picked up (157g I think).
How would you say the Nuance fly compared to Mantras?
I dont think the captions are necessary, it's not difficult to understand you
Agreed yt has cc anyways that works enough for me
Those without hearing may disagree
I turn the closed captioning on so it's 2× distracting, and I'm also wearing five pairs of underwear because four wasn't quite cutting off the circulation.
@@hpe340what about reading?
Are they able to read?
Closed captioning should be added to the meta data of the video file.
The contrast of the text they put on the screen will not always be great if light coloura are behind it.
I'm glad they made the effort though, most will not.
Unless you have 110 metres of distance, or you need discs for headwinds, or you need the specific flight shape, there is practically no point in throwing drivers.
For the last 3 years I have been taking out drivers, and putting in Speed 7s and 9s - and even at 59, my scores are coming down. :)
Speed 9 Saint @170g is just about the longest disc I have. Apart from a 150 gram Blizzard Wraith, which is crazy long in no wind.
Yeah at 53 I'm in the same camp. My fastest discs are 9-speeds and I use them for select shots. I rely on my 7 speeds for most drives, and mids if I need straighter and more controlled drives.
B-Rad is Rad😂
Farther, not further. Great video, though! Excellent content. No further discussion necessary! 😃
Slow the playback speed to .25x 😂
I'll take drivers over midranges
Yes and You Need To Throw Bradley Away, he has anger issues, We have all seen it, you know im Right. You deserve so much more sweetie
Wait, what? What did you see?
Every one gets angry. Don't give up!
I'm sad I didn't do the things and have the talks to work things out with my GF
Unhinged comment.😂
I gave up distance drivers. I don't throw anything faster than an 8 speed. I throw the Fairways nearly as far as the Distance drivers, but with sooo much more control.
Long courses are tough, but with my noodle arm, they always have been.