Very informational and entertaining video R.F.T., thanks for making a video about this topic!!! Funny thing is, I just bought the same mid-grey/ white balance card a couple days back and was wondering in which instances I could use either side. Thankfully this video came out! Did not know the mid-grey side could be used for W.B. as well. Can't wait for the next video on color profiles!
Thanks for your excellent explanation. I do not have the gray card but the ExpoDisc 2.0 77mm White Balance Filter V2, Also I will use on a trip, which is convenient, because the size I can have it on a pocket or in the bag. Is is good for white balance? What should I do in that case? Do you recommend the gray card anyhow?
Hi Jorge! Your ExpoDisc will do just fine. If you would be doing interviews or shoot portraits, a gray card is probably more accurate. But for run and gun your WB filter is fine.
again, helpful! Regarding colour profiles, I would like to use standard in photo mode and cinelike D in video mode. but the profile is always set to both.
The work round that I use is to set up the profile that you want to use in video mode (colour profile, video settings, custom fn buttons etc.) then save it to C1, C2 , C3-1, C3-2 or C3-3 on the mode dial. This the gives you a good starting point for video work.
You could, but you’ll likely end up with either a lot of work in post, or even differences that you can’t fix in post if you want it all to match. That said, it can also be a creative decision to have it not match
The best way would be to shoot in V-log(in 10-bit), have the settings match as close as possible, custom white balance both of them and I would personally create a LUT to match the colours of one to the other. And, most importantly, do some testing before you shoot anything serious 😉
@@RedFrameTech For some reason in lower light situations, even on a 2.8 aperature lens, my indoor shots on v log are so grainy eve after trying different luts. V log footage seems to only work well if shot outdoors in bright lighting. Would you recommend Cine D if I want to utilize two cameras for one video, assuming the white balance are both at 5600, aperature, shutter speed, iso and white balance are at auto.
When shooting photos in RAW, you can almost freely move white balance around. So no, it doesn’t matter all that much. Shooting with Auto white balance would be the easiest way. For video it’s very different though. A lot less room to adjust it in post
If you have forgotten your grey card at home, I think a sheet of plain white paper may also do the job as long as the exposure of the white part is not clipped. This can be proven through zebra. At least I would say, a sheet of white paper is a great workaround. A standardized 18% reflection grey card serves for traditional lightmetering, too. For determining the correct color temperature alone, a certain degree of reflection should not be required, as far as I know.
👍 You’re right as far as the work around with a piece of white paper. The degree of reflection in terms of exposure (as long as it’s not clipped) is indeed not really relevant to set white balance. However, the degree of reflection of the grey card does determine the color it appears to be to the camera and is therefore relevant
On the G9 I almost always shoot with the shade WB and CineD color profile. That this combination gives good result most of the time. I mostly shoot early in the morning in woodland areas, that may be the reason. But I use this setting in daylight too. Or is it I forget to adjust the settings :)
Sometimes I also use one of the presets. Especially when I have to get my camera out quickly and shoot. Sometimes it works great for me, but I’ve had situations that it was to much off
I thought a grey card was mainly for exposure, you know to get the skin tone correctly for example, and that a white card was better for white balance?
I didn’t talk about this in the video because it was about white balance, but you’re right. You can definitely use a greycard for exposure aswell. A white card isn’t better for white balance. It’s called white balance, but the camera actually calculates colors from ‘middle grey’.
hi, you have a smooth, excellent way of teaching. I will check your other videos as well. thank you.
Thank you! And thanks for watching!
Thanks to your videos I decided to keep my G9 after getting a GH6 due to your LUT advice.
That’s great to hear! I still use my G9 regularly
You have an easy to follow excellent teaching style. Thanks...
Thank you so much 🙏
Thank you for the informatinon 👍👍👍
Very helpful.
Very informational and entertaining video R.F.T., thanks for making a video about this topic!!! Funny thing is, I just bought the same mid-grey/ white balance card a couple days back and was wondering in which instances I could use either side. Thankfully this video came out! Did not know the mid-grey side could be used for W.B. as well. Can't wait for the next video on color profiles!
Thanks 🙏 funny coincidence indeed 😁 glad my video was helpful!
Btw, you can use the white side to bounce a light of. Makes the light softer
@@RedFrameTech Awesome to know. Thank you! Will definitely use that in the future.
Thanks for your excellent explanation. I do not have the gray card but the ExpoDisc 2.0 77mm White Balance Filter V2, Also I will use on a trip, which is convenient, because the size I can have it on a pocket or in the bag. Is is good for white balance? What should I do in that case? Do you recommend the gray card anyhow?
Hi Jorge! Your ExpoDisc will do just fine. If you would be doing interviews or shoot portraits, a gray card is probably more accurate. But for run and gun your WB filter is fine.
again, helpful! Regarding colour profiles, I would like to use standard in photo mode and cinelike D in video mode. but the profile is always set to both.
Thank you 🙏 not sure what you mean by ‘always set to both’ 🤔
@@RedFrameTech when setting cinelike profile on my G9 in Video-mode, it is also in foto mode. is it possible to have separate colour profiles?
I’ve set an Fn button to switch between two profiles (in my case CineD and Vlog). Maybe that could work for you aswell
@@RedFrameTech that is exactly, what I did. but I thought, that there must be another way
The work round that I use is to set up the profile that you want to use in video mode (colour profile, video settings, custom fn buttons etc.) then save it to C1, C2 , C3-1, C3-2 or C3-3 on the mode dial. This the gives you a good starting point for video work.
Can I just set it at 5600 Kelvins and forget about white balance especially when I am shooting indoor/outdoor day and night all in one video?
You could, but you’ll likely end up with either a lot of work in post, or even differences that you can’t fix in post if you want it all to match.
That said, it can also be a creative decision to have it not match
@@RedFrameTech thank you. what would be the best way to match footage from different cameras, like an S5 to a G9? or even from the same camera.
The best way would be to shoot in V-log(in 10-bit), have the settings match as close as possible, custom white balance both of them and I would personally create a LUT to match the colours of one to the other.
And, most importantly, do some testing before you shoot anything serious 😉
@@RedFrameTech thank u so much
@@RedFrameTech For some reason in lower light situations, even on a 2.8 aperature lens, my indoor shots on v log are so grainy eve after trying different luts. V log footage seems to only work well if shot outdoors in bright lighting. Would you recommend Cine D if I want to utilize two cameras for one video, assuming the white balance are both at 5600, aperature, shutter speed, iso and white balance are at auto.
Thanks for the video. I'm still confused on setting white balance for photos when shooting RAW. Does it matter at all?
When shooting photos in RAW, you can almost freely move white balance around. So no, it doesn’t matter all that much. Shooting with Auto white balance would be the easiest way.
For video it’s very different though. A lot less room to adjust it in post
have you seen paul leemings comparison between different white cards?
No I haven’t
If you have forgotten your grey card at home, I think a sheet of plain white paper may also do the job as long as the exposure of the white part is not clipped. This can be proven through zebra. At least I would say, a sheet of white paper is a great workaround. A standardized 18% reflection grey card serves for traditional lightmetering, too. For determining the correct color temperature alone, a certain degree of reflection should not be required, as far as I know.
👍 You’re right as far as the work around with a piece of white paper.
The degree of reflection in terms of exposure (as long as it’s not clipped) is indeed not really relevant to set white balance. However, the degree of reflection of the grey card does determine the color it appears to be to the camera and is therefore relevant
On the G9 I almost always shoot with the shade WB and CineD color profile. That this combination gives good result most of the time.
I mostly shoot early in the morning in woodland areas, that may be the reason. But I use this setting in daylight too. Or is it I forget to adjust the settings :)
Sometimes I also use one of the presets. Especially when I have to get my camera out quickly and shoot. Sometimes it works great for me, but I’ve had situations that it was to much off
Do you use a gray card with LOG?
I do when white balance is critical
I thought a grey card was mainly for exposure, you know to get the skin tone correctly for example, and that a white card was better for white balance?
I didn’t talk about this in the video because it was about white balance, but you’re right. You can definitely use a greycard for exposure aswell.
A white card isn’t better for white balance. It’s called white balance, but the camera actually calculates colors from ‘middle grey’.
@@RedFrameTech Yep, after some research it seems you're right! 👍