@@Therugbyduck619 most definitely, pitchers usually don't throw eephus pitches unless they want to troll, but then again they're paid to throw their best in their arsenal
Guys in my opinion this just makes him a more valuable and a better player. Framing at this level is really hard to do and it’s honestly impressive how he does it. If you didn’t know not every framer in the MLB are good at framing. There are a couple really good framers.
Yeah but who cares. I want to see pitchers get consistent zones across all games and batters be rewarded for knowing the zone. We will see the best batters and pitchers performances which is more fair and better than just seeing if a good catcher can essentially convince the umpire to cheat for their team.
@@easytiger35 that won’t happen pretty much ever. The difference between a foot off the plate and middle of the zone look almost at the angle umps have.
@@easytiger35you do realize that being a good ump isn’t easy right? a slider down and away that’s .5 foot off the zone which should be called a ball looks identical to a pitcher perfectly painting that down and away corner of the zone.
The guy is a hella good catcher. I don’t approve, but that takes some serious practice to perfect. He can also throw out runners trying to steal second.
Should really watch the video Jomboy just did on Francisco Alvarez/Adley Rutschman. The Mets were getting calls all game because how Alvarez was setup/framing.
Orioles fan who watched that game, I actually noticed those calls. You cannot tell me that Rutsch is that much worse than the majority of catchers. That shocked me
@@GratefulInRecoveryrutschman isnt just bad at framing. He's bad at showing the pitch to the umpire too. At 6'2 and 230 sitting as close to the plate as he does is crazywork. Ump cant see a thing. Alvarez is like 5'10 and sits lower making him even smaller and a lot further from the plate.
Even with roboumps, framing will still matter in HS and college until the tech is cheap enough, so it's going to be taught and practiced for a whiles. I like the challenge system as the compromise. Plus if we go full RoboUmp then there won't be theatric strikeout calls.
Sure there will, I see no reason the umpire would stop with the theatric punch-outs just because he has a high or low beep in his ear. On a swing-and-miss, it won't matter. If they're caught looking, he'll have the confidence to make the theatric call.
I was a catcher in high school and college, and I umpire a little as well I defiantly focus on the front of the plate more than anything. I even tell the catchers nice frame job on some balls but because I was a catcher for 7 years I know. But most Umpires just react to the catcher and the batter for some reason. Now on the MLB Level I can understand a ball going 85-104 is harder to judge and I believe they blink as the ball goes across the plate (natural reaction) but you will definably miss the placement of the ball most of the time blinking at the wrong time.
over 40% of the best defender in mlb history, yadier molina's, defensive runs comes from framing, at 151.1 framing runs and 375.7 total defensive runs.
People love to praise the Seattle pitching staff, and that’s reasonable they are incredibly good but the fact that Cal Raleigh is second in framing is a huge part of that too. His game calling, blocking and pick-offs are elite too. The Mariners wouldn’t be arguably the best team in the league in pitching without Cal. And then he goes and gets 100 RBI and hits from both sides of the plate… He’s such an underrated player.
Note to younger pitchers/catchers. Have the catcher put their glove down and focus on a location on the catcher’s chest guard instead of their glove. In hindsight, I benefitted a lot lot from my catchers who put their glove where they wanted it to be and then put their glove elsewhere (thank you BB and Zav)
Outstanding video. Love that I found your channel. Only thing I wished you included was what the heck happened with that top right outlier pitch from the plot at 2:59.
"Unfortunately framing may soon be gone" I disagree that its unfortunate, framing is probably the most frustrating stat in the sport. Pitchers should be awarded for great located pitches, while batters should be awarded for having a good eye. Automated strike and ball calls is necessary IMO
I do think it is best in the long run to do automated balls and strikes. Though, framing is one of the many things that makes baseball unique to other sports. It gave long careers to players that wouldn’t have otherwise been valuable. There isn’t another sport where a guy like Jeff Mathis exists, which is what makes baseball special. I think moving to the challenge system right now is the correct move however
@@Wilytics You're right it's unique in that framing (which I call unsportsmanlike because it is meant to deceive umpires) is rewarded. I don't know of another single act in sport which is deceitful to officials which is as heralded by fans, teams and players alike but unpunished by officials.
@@Wilytics a perfect example of how unique doesn't necessarily mean good. Sports officiating should be objective. If baseball is unique in its highly subjective officiating, then that's a bad thing. Because then everything from "whos hitting?" To "who's pitching?" To "what's the score?" to "is it a close game?" To "was this batter mouthing off during their last at bat? " Become relevant to the outcome of the play. It feels bad to lose because the umpire made the wrong call... But it should feel even worse to WIN because the umpire made the wrong call. The most correct name for "pitch framing" is "stealing strikes". You're stealing an unfair advantage. That shouldn't happen.
robo umps would be a good change to be honest. Yes it sucks for the catchers who've made their career doing that but if you're a fan why wouldn't you want them to get the calls right? Spitballs used to be legal and a whole category of pitchers built up around throwing them. The game changes.
Fascinating stuff. But i have to push back on the idea that automated balls and strikes would make the catcher USELESS..... Thats asinine... The catcher is widely regarded as the leader on the field. They are the ones who are supposed to know what the current hitter's tendencies are and survey the field to make sure the defense is lined up properly. As you pointed out, a good catcher discourages stealing bases, or makes outs when guys try to steal. Catchers are important for a lot of reasons. Taking their ability to steal strikes wouldnt make them useless... Wow.
KBO is the only league that uses automated balls/strikes calls and the catcher is still as important as ever. The goal of the AI itself is to take out human error and get 95% of the calls correct compared to the percentage it is now. The catcher will still be the "leader" on the field, no matter how people try to twist it, catchers might genuinely be one of, if not the most important position on the field.
But it would have made Mike Piazza a much better catcher, because framing was undoubtedly his worst aspect. Otherwise he was passable at the position and murder with the bat.
@@Josh-y4r they need automated ball and strike calls badly. These are top quality athletes and they need to be rewarded for good play, not bad play. Automated ball and strike calls would be a huge step in the right direction. Fernando Valenzuela was given a no hitter on balls a foot outside being called strikes.
This video makes me want to prevent the challenge system for pitches, for the most part. It should be a “use it and then you loose it for X-amount of innings no matter the outcome” like a limited power-up. I don’t want baseball to become a video game, but volatility is a part of what makes Baseball America’s pastime instead of America’s Calculus
Disagree! I think you should start with a small number of challenges (say three) but when you get one right, not only is one not deducted from your total, but you GAIN one use. This way umpires can't deliberately induce a bunch of challenges in the early innings and then be untouchable the rest of the game, because they'd only be handing MORE challenges out every time they're wrong. Similarly, I think umpires should get fined any time they eject a player for bullshit reasons. Managers not so much, it's part of their job to get theatrically ejected and then hide in the clubhouse and continue managing.
im a one year baseball fan, but I personally would not like robo umps. It ruins the emotion of the game imo and everything being 100% perfect is not fun
It definitely is a tough decision, but I think the challenge system is a good compromise. Keeps framing in the game while correcting the more egregiously bad calls
Umpires calling balls and strikes has always been an unfortunate necessity in the game of baseball. I'm so excited for when robo umps get introduced and we can watch catchers focus all their energy on playing real defense instead of playing slight of hand to fool geriatric old men. I wanna see catchers back on 2 feet, controlling the run game.
exactly, and im shocked to not see more people saying this. it's like people are bragging about fooling old men. what about the pitchers? shouldn't they earn what they throw? if they throw a strike, it should be a strike.
@@Uruz2012 LMAO as if. If these teams gave a f*ck about catcher safety, they wouldn't be encouraging all of their catchers to creep up as close as they can to the batters box to steal low strikes - putting their glove arm dangerously close to most hitters' bat path. Go see the Wilson Contreras injury from earlier this year. Catcher interference calls and catcher hand/forearm injuries have been on a steady increase since framing became the sole focus of catcher defense. Player health and safety has NOTHING to do with why they have every catcher down on one knee lol
My favorite part is that we had a solid 2 straight minutes of CLEARLY off balls That are somehow still being called strikes 😂😂. Not to mention how egregious the framing is in half of them. That must’ve been CB back there lmao
If the value of a catcher declines due to getting rid of framing advantages their salaries will also decline. Music to the opwners' ears. Also not sure why you're invested in valuing bending the rules. Greg Maddux routinely got strike calls on pitches 6 to 12 inches outside in the wide strike era. What makde that fair? It warped the results.
Only thing I have to mention is that unfortunately your point about the world series is just wrong. Look at the world series umps from the last decade, VERY rarely are they top ranked in terms of correct calls, it's more likely they have high seniority in the ump union. I'm pretty sure even this year there wasn't a single world series ump ranked in the top 30 most consistent through the year
There’s a difference between framing and pulling. Today’s catchers are pulling pitches by no less than 6-10 inches as illustrated in the video. That behavior would not be rewarded and rather punished. A catcher would ask where did you have the pitch? An umpire would respond, I don’t know, where did you have it?
You should get mad at the umpires who are fooled by the good framing of the catchers. The catchers are doing their jobs competently, while the umpires, well, aren’t.
The problem with Robo umps calling strikes and balls is that the strike zone is 3D, not 2D like stat-cast shows on TV. Strike zones are also not fixed over the plate, it varies with height and stance of the current batter, who also has a pre-swing stance and a swing stance. There’s just too many variables to use a computer.
I think framing is cunning, every catchers do that nowdays and I really hate it. I think, it needs some sort of a rule change, whether if the umpire sees framing it will be called ball no matter what, or, plainly use AI for judgement.
There was a time when umpires would automatically call a ball if the catcher yanked the pitch into the strike zone. If the catcher had to do that, then the pitch HAD to be a ball, so the umpire is correct to call it a ball. Calling all these pitches balls would fix the problem in about two minutes.
Sorry but it all boils down to umps not paying better attention to where the ball CROSSES THE PLATE. It's almost like they're too lazy to really care to look hard enough also they just depend on the stupid glove placement when caught.
Honestly the little league umpire stereotype is true, I hit a double that was well fair but my blindass ump called it foul so I went up again. Y’all already know I got called on a ball too, it’s just too relatable.😭🙏
Well as an umpire, we want you to frame the pitch by not moving your glove. These guys are moving their gloves almost as these little league baseball catchers are.
Framing is almost as bad as video and trash cans. Every catcher tries to do it, and umps call the pitch where the catcher's mitt ends up, not where the ball crosses the plate.
I'm cool with challenges as long as it's like, under 10 seconds. We don't need long buildup animations showing the pitch in slo-mo. Just show the location, call it, move on.
He drops his glove as the pitcher delivers and waits for the pitch that's coming, then catches it close to the the zone and frames it. The umps eyes aren't catching that.
I think instead of getting robo umps, we should get rid of the live on-screen strikezone. Ever since they added it, people (myself included) have become so much more frustrated at umpires for missing calls, even when they're only a quarter inch off the zone. I think it would be more fair to the umps, more fun to watch, and less frustrating if we the on-screen zone away
I 100% agree with especially when you notice that most HOME RUNS YOU SEE are always balls slightly off and a lot of batters get froze at pitches down the middle.
This is a great point. Plus, the onscreen strike zones can be off a little bit (depending on broadcast) and can cause even more frustration. Umpires may be calling strikes that show up as balls on these broadcasts sometimes. I understand these umpires are professionals, but some of the crap I’ve heard people say for the umpire calling a ball no more than 3/4 inch off the plate a strike is absurd
I’m old enough to remember when sportsmanship was valued positively and gamesmanship negatively. I also remember when the strike zone was called like it’s written in the rulebook. Look it up - - - you won’t believe it.
@@TheGr8SageSama No, umpires just ignore what the rule says is the top of the strike zone. The best theory is that the league ordered them to do it to increase the amount of hits.
You are completely delusional. Stuff like framing and trying to get an edge has ALWAYS been part of baseball. And also, before the televised K-zone and pitch tracking, umpires had their own strike zones and pitchers just had to adjust. Some would have a bigger zone, others a smaller one and you just had to figure it out. If a pitcher was really locked in and hitting their spot, the umpire might give them a borderline call. If a pitcher is spraying, they might call borderlines a ball. Look it up. You won't believe it.
Here is a simple question - - - does the rectangle graphic superimposed on TV broadcasts match the description of the strike zone in the rule book? It is almost always right at the belt, but rule is much higher than that. It is also usually at the bottom of the knee, lower than the rule. My delusional theory is that TV producers do this because that is the way umpires call pitches in reality, and it would be infuriating to see pitches called balls that hit a higher rectangle graphic that matched the rule book over and over. I just thought of an analogy to traffic law. Everyone drives five mph over the posted speed limit, because they know that is what the cops (the umps) allow. Civic planners know this, so they set the speed limit five mph lower than what they actually believe is the safe speed, and it all works out. The strike zone has lowered in practice without the rule book being updated. As for framing pitches and sportsmanship, think about it from the point of view of the batter. He did his job and didn’t swing at a ball. Who should he be madder at when he is called out, the ump or the catcher? I found out that the rule book says that players are not allow to speak to each other on the field. No fraternizing. It doesn’t say what the punishment is, and it is never enforced. Next I’m going to try to find out if a base runner is allowed to yell at a player trying to field a ball. If it turns out to be allowable, I would still call it bad sportsmanship.
remember when a catcher fools an umpire into making a bad call, we all agree that the catcher is awesome and the umpire is terrible. Make it make sense.
This is so much bullshit. I was a professional umpire in a number of softball leagues. I would position myself eyes level with the amrpits and nose directly above the inside edge of the plate. I could see on each pitch whether it was a strike or not. On outside pitches I could jerk my head over to the outside edge of the plate and see just as well there. I did not give a flying doodle where the catcher caught the ball and where he jerked his glove. If major league umpires are influenced by where the catcher jerks his glove after the catch then I find them pathetic.
This guy really made a 15 minute video trying to excuse terrible umps calls 💀 this video means nothing because what's the excuse for the 2024 world series having the worst umps ever calling strikes balls and vis versa
ABS fixes catchers legally cheating, makes every call just, and lets the players focus on playing better rather than deceiving and lying. There is no downside.
False. Angel was actually above average behind the plate and the stats prove it. Angels big issue was mistakes in the field and when they were made they were very egregious and often game changing. He was a bad ump sure but not because of his calling of balls and strikes. He also wasn’t forced out of the game but that’s neither here nor there.
how can anyone want the challenge system over full ABS? So they give the umpire a shot at it first, and then correct them....why dont they just go ahead and get it right the first time?! Umpires are almost useless now....most calls they make are subjective or very clear calls. Anything challengeable or close, they get wrong most of the time.
I think the best way to implement robo ump would be to have the challenge system, but lost challenges result in the loss of a mound visit, so the umpire can still call the game, but when there's a bad call it can get overturned
SAYING THAT THE SHOT CLOCK OR MORE COMPUTERS IN BASEBALL IS ULTIMATELY A GOOD THING IS ALL I NEEDED TO HEAR TO PAUSE THIS AND PEACE OUT. JUST ANOTHER STEP TO THE GAME GETTING FURTHER AND FURTHER FROM WHAT BASEBALL TRULY WAS, SO SAD.
Strong disagree. 30 years ago you were probably right but these days pitch selections are usually already decided before the at bat ever occurs with very minimal change if you take into account they will plan for most scenarios. Calling a game is all analytics now. Don’t be surprised if soon it’s just done straight from the dugout. Catcher defense is vastly more important and this includes framing. Every strike you steal is a swing stolen and a pitch your pitcher most likely shaves a pitch off his pitch count. There’s a reason Jeff Mathis had a job for so long and he may as well not have owned a bat. Framing is the only skill other than a bat that can keep a catcher in a lineup without fail.
@@tiramisu6135 That doesn't make it good. That's like saying unnecessary problem x is just a part of life so there's not point trying to change it. That's a lazy argument
@@benkofi8570You literally cannot remove the act of receiving a pitch in a way that makes it look more like a strike. You cannot possibly argue for “removing” that and claim to understand how catching a baseball works, let alone baseball as a whole.
I love the artistry and craftsmanship of a good frame. In a perfect world, framing would be unnecessary and I can only imagine how catchers would adapt their mechanics to robot umps calling balls/strikes. But given the world in which we live, I like seeing a good frame as much as a good punch out as much as a good bat flip.
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2:58 That one Eephus is CRAZY 💀
Gotta be a position player right?
@@Therugbyduck619 most definitely, pitchers usually don't throw eephus pitches unless they want to troll, but then again they're paid to throw their best in their arsenal
Guys in my opinion this just makes him a more valuable and a better player. Framing at this level is really hard to do and it’s honestly impressive how he does it. If you didn’t know not every framer in the MLB are good at framing. There are a couple really good framers.
Yeah but who cares. I want to see pitchers get consistent zones across all games and batters be rewarded for knowing the zone. We will see the best batters and pitchers performances which is more fair and better than just seeing if a good catcher can essentially convince the umpire to cheat for their team.
@@easytiger35 that won’t happen pretty much ever. The difference between a foot off the plate and middle of the zone look almost at the angle umps have.
@@zombiekin.g if you want the umpires at this point youre just stupid dude
@@easytiger35you do realize that being a good ump isn’t easy right? a slider down and away that’s .5 foot off the zone which should be called a ball looks identical to a pitcher perfectly painting that down and away corner of the zone.
@@MTGFaded which is why they shouldn't be making the calls
The guy is a hella good catcher. I don’t approve, but that takes some serious practice to perfect. He can also throw out runners trying to steal second.
Should really watch the video Jomboy just did on Francisco Alvarez/Adley Rutschman. The Mets were getting calls all game because how Alvarez was setup/framing.
Orioles fan who watched that game, I actually noticed those calls. You cannot tell me that Rutsch is that much worse than the majority of catchers. That shocked me
It was mainly about how close to the plate Rutschman was vs. Alvarez, chasing the Ump's viewing angle.
@@GratefulInRecoveryrutschman isnt just bad at framing. He's bad at showing the pitch to the umpire too. At 6'2 and 230 sitting as close to the plate as he does is crazywork. Ump cant see a thing. Alvarez is like 5'10 and sits lower making him even smaller and a lot further from the plate.
Even with roboumps, framing will still matter in HS and college until the tech is cheap enough, so it's going to be taught and practiced for a whiles. I like the challenge system as the compromise.
Plus if we go full RoboUmp then there won't be theatric strikeout calls.
Sure there will, I see no reason the umpire would stop with the theatric punch-outs just because he has a high or low beep in his ear. On a swing-and-miss, it won't matter. If they're caught looking, he'll have the confidence to make the theatric call.
I was a catcher in high school and college, and I umpire a little as well I defiantly focus on the front of the plate more than anything. I even tell the catchers nice frame job on some balls but because I was a catcher for 7 years I know. But most Umpires just react to the catcher and the batter for some reason. Now on the MLB Level I can understand a ball going 85-104 is harder to judge and I believe they blink as the ball goes across the plate (natural reaction) but you will definably miss the placement of the ball most of the time blinking at the wrong time.
Until the strike zone challenge system incorperates a 3d zone, it ain't happening in the major league level.
over 40% of the best defender in mlb history, yadier molina's, defensive runs comes from framing, at 151.1 framing runs and 375.7 total defensive runs.
0:05 That face is how you can tell it was bad call, even the pitcher knew it smh
People love to praise the Seattle pitching staff, and that’s reasonable they are incredibly good but the fact that Cal Raleigh is second in framing is a huge part of that too. His game calling, blocking and pick-offs are elite too. The Mariners wouldn’t be arguably the best team in the league in pitching without Cal.
And then he goes and gets 100 RBI and hits from both sides of the plate… He’s such an underrated player.
Note to younger pitchers/catchers. Have the catcher put their glove down and focus on a location on the catcher’s chest guard instead of their glove.
In hindsight, I benefitted a lot lot from my catchers who put their glove where they wanted it to be and then put their glove elsewhere (thank you BB and Zav)
0:27 Bryce Harper I’m guessing
He’s amazing. I had to slow it down to 0.25x to even believe some of those pitches crossed where the ball icon was.
Damn didn’t know Bailey was that good defensively🤣😭
Outstanding video. Love that I found your channel. Only thing I wished you included was what the heck happened with that top right outlier pitch from the plot at 2:59.
Awesome video! Production far above your sub count, hope you get more traction man!
Robot umpire please use the technology we have to fix this.
So teams should be weary of signing any free agent pitcher from the SF Giants (as long at Patrick Bailey is there)
"Unfortunately framing may soon be gone"
I disagree that its unfortunate, framing is probably the most frustrating stat in the sport. Pitchers should be awarded for great located pitches, while batters should be awarded for having a good eye. Automated strike and ball calls is necessary IMO
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I do think it is best in the long run to do automated balls and strikes. Though, framing is one of the many things that makes baseball unique to other sports. It gave long careers to players that wouldn’t have otherwise been valuable. There isn’t another sport where a guy like Jeff Mathis exists, which is what makes baseball special.
I think moving to the challenge system right now is the correct move however
@@Wilytics You're right it's unique in that framing (which I call unsportsmanlike because it is meant to deceive umpires) is rewarded. I don't know of another single act in sport which is deceitful to officials which is as heralded by fans, teams and players alike but unpunished by officials.
@@Wilytics a perfect example of how unique doesn't necessarily mean good. Sports officiating should be objective. If baseball is unique in its highly subjective officiating, then that's a bad thing. Because then everything from "whos hitting?" To "who's pitching?" To "what's the score?" to "is it a close game?" To "was this batter mouthing off during their last at bat? " Become relevant to the outcome of the play.
It feels bad to lose because the umpire made the wrong call... But it should feel even worse to WIN because the umpire made the wrong call.
The most correct name for "pitch framing" is "stealing strikes". You're stealing an unfair advantage. That shouldn't happen.
so based framing ruins baseball
robo umps would be a good change to be honest. Yes it sucks for the catchers who've made their career doing that but if you're a fan why wouldn't you want them to get the calls right?
Spitballs used to be legal and a whole category of pitchers built up around throwing them. The game changes.
As a korean, the kbo league has been more watchable thanks to the automatic ballstrike system.
Fascinating stuff.
But i have to push back on the idea that automated balls and strikes would make the catcher USELESS..... Thats asinine... The catcher is widely regarded as the leader on the field. They are the ones who are supposed to know what the current hitter's tendencies are and survey the field to make sure the defense is lined up properly. As you pointed out, a good catcher discourages stealing bases, or makes outs when guys try to steal.
Catchers are important for a lot of reasons. Taking their ability to steal strikes wouldnt make them useless... Wow.
KBO is the only league that uses automated balls/strikes calls and the catcher is still as important as ever. The goal of the AI itself is to take out human error and get 95% of the calls correct compared to the percentage it is now. The catcher will still be the "leader" on the field, no matter how people try to twist it, catchers might genuinely be one of, if not the most important position on the field.
But it would have made Mike Piazza a much better catcher, because framing was undoubtedly his worst aspect. Otherwise he was passable at the position and murder with the bat.
Wilytics is a goated youtuber 🫡
I love this so much, thanks!
Umpires must learn to ignore how catchers catch balls.
Its ingrained into them. That would be literally impossible. 😮
@@Josh-y4r they need automated ball and strike calls badly. These are top quality athletes and they need to be rewarded for good play, not bad play. Automated ball and strike calls would be a huge step in the right direction. Fernando Valenzuela was given a no hitter on balls a foot outside being called strikes.
I assume you never called the plate, I have it's not easy even ay the LL level.
@@briangulley6027 some pitches are a foot outside and called strikes.
@@emmanuelvacakis4463 Have you ever umpired any sport?
Dude you are REALLY good at what you do. Fantastic analysis.
This video makes me want to prevent the challenge system for pitches, for the most part. It should be a “use it and then you loose it for X-amount of innings no matter the outcome” like a limited power-up. I don’t want baseball to become a video game, but volatility is a part of what makes Baseball America’s pastime instead of America’s Calculus
Disagree! I think you should start with a small number of challenges (say three) but when you get one right, not only is one not deducted from your total, but you GAIN one use. This way umpires can't deliberately induce a bunch of challenges in the early innings and then be untouchable the rest of the game, because they'd only be handing MORE challenges out every time they're wrong.
Similarly, I think umpires should get fined any time they eject a player for bullshit reasons. Managers not so much, it's part of their job to get theatrically ejected and then hide in the clubhouse and continue managing.
im a one year baseball fan, but I personally would not like robo umps. It ruins the emotion of the game imo and everything being 100% perfect is not fun
It definitely is a tough decision, but I think the challenge system is a good compromise. Keeps framing in the game while correcting the more egregiously bad calls
Personally I feel like umpires with egregiously bad balls ruin the emotion of the game far more than correct calls would.
@@Wilyticsyou think slowing down the game to challenge every ball and strike is a good thing? What?
@@1who4meyea I’m _sure_ he wants them to review EVERY pitch
@@1who4methat's not what the challenge system does...
Why not use electronic means to judge pitches... and the ump can do the remaining tasks
Awesome stuff!!!
Subjective calls are inherent to competitive sports, imo. I like them even if I often get honked by some of them.
Umpires calling balls and strikes has always been an unfortunate necessity in the game of baseball. I'm so excited for when robo umps get introduced and we can watch catchers focus all their energy on playing real defense instead of playing slight of hand to fool geriatric old men. I wanna see catchers back on 2 feet, controlling the run game.
Crouching super low is terrible for your knees. They partly changed their stance to avoid damaging their bodies.
exactly, and im shocked to not see more people saying this. it's like people are bragging about fooling old men. what about the pitchers? shouldn't they earn what they throw? if they throw a strike, it should be a strike.
@@Uruz2012 LMAO as if. If these teams gave a f*ck about catcher safety, they wouldn't be encouraging all of their catchers to creep up as close as they can to the batters box to steal low strikes - putting their glove arm dangerously close to most hitters' bat path. Go see the Wilson Contreras injury from earlier this year. Catcher interference calls and catcher hand/forearm injuries have been on a steady increase since framing became the sole focus of catcher defense. Player health and safety has NOTHING to do with why they have every catcher down on one knee lol
My favorite part is that we had a solid 2 straight minutes of CLEARLY off balls That are somehow still being called strikes 😂😂. Not to mention how egregious the framing is in half of them. That must’ve been CB back there lmao
PLEASE make robo umps
id defo prefer ABS over firing all umps and moving to robots. game just seems lifeless without them, and who are we supposed to blame
Angel Hernandez loves him!
If the value of a catcher declines due to getting rid of framing advantages their salaries will also decline. Music to the opwners' ears. Also not sure why you're invested in valuing bending the rules. Greg Maddux routinely got strike calls on pitches 6 to 12 inches outside in the wide strike era. What makde that fair? It warped the results.
Great video
he doesn't generate runs for his team, he prevents runs for the opposing team
I love patty barrels
This video’s B plot is that if Austin hedges even just hit league average he’d be one of the greatest in the league and making millions
Only thing I have to mention is that unfortunately your point about the world series is just wrong. Look at the world series umps from the last decade, VERY rarely are they top ranked in terms of correct calls, it's more likely they have high seniority in the ump union. I'm pretty sure even this year there wasn't a single world series ump ranked in the top 30 most consistent through the year
There’s a difference between framing and pulling. Today’s catchers are pulling pitches by no less than 6-10 inches as illustrated in the video.
That behavior would not be rewarded and rather punished. A catcher would ask where did you have the pitch? An umpire would respond, I don’t know, where did you have it?
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I wish Yadier was still playing so I could see where he would end up on this list.
Molina was not a consistently elite framer, but he did have a couple years where he was in the top 10 percent.
Yadi was the GOAT at this
The number of salty people here who say framing is "cheating" is absolutely hilarious.
We really went from Buster posey the OG to Buster posey 2.0
Even with the box drawn im convinced it were strikes
You should get mad at the umpires who are fooled by the good framing of the catchers. The catchers are doing their jobs competently, while the umpires, well, aren’t.
If I were Patrick Bailey I would be sending you $50k+ to take down this video. You straight blew up his spot!
The problem with Robo umps calling strikes and balls is that the strike zone is 3D, not 2D like stat-cast shows on TV. Strike zones are also not fixed over the plate, it varies with height and stance of the current batter, who also has a pre-swing stance and a swing stance. There’s just too many variables to use a computer.
I will never understand how these “pro” umps get tricked like this. It’s where the ball crosses not where the catchers glove ends up
I think framing is cunning, every catchers do that nowdays and I really hate it. I think, it needs some sort of a rule change, whether if the umpire sees framing it will be called ball no matter what, or, plainly use AI for judgement.
“CS above average” doesnt tell the story since players try less often with good catchers.
That eephus was called a strike?!?!?
Robo umps are not the answer. Umps have gotten better , we just notice the few really bad ones. We just need better people
There was a time when umpires would automatically call a ball if the catcher yanked the pitch into the strike zone. If the catcher had to do that, then the pitch HAD to be a ball, so the umpire is correct to call it a ball.
Calling all these pitches balls would fix the problem in about two minutes.
Sorry but it all boils down to umps not paying better attention to where the ball CROSSES THE PLATE. It's almost like they're too lazy to really care to look hard enough also they just depend on the stupid glove placement when caught.
Get behind the plate one day and call it live. You think these umps are bad? Watch a HS or college game.
Honestly the little league umpire stereotype is true, I hit a double that was well fair but my blindass ump called it foul so I went up again. Y’all already know I got called on a ball too, it’s just too relatable.😭🙏
its the catchers job - end of story
362 times is crazy, but only 15 more times than cal Raleigh, who is just as good at tricking the ump
Well as an umpire, we want you to frame the pitch by not moving your glove. These guys are moving their gloves almost as these little league baseball catchers are.
Framing is almost as bad as video and trash cans. Every catcher tries to do it, and umps call the pitch where the catcher's mitt ends up, not where the ball crosses the plate.
keep umpires, just make home umpires have way more training
Robo umps would be horrible. Just do a challenge system
I'm cool with challenges as long as it's like, under 10 seconds. We don't need long buildup animations showing the pitch in slo-mo. Just show the location, call it, move on.
He drops his glove as the pitcher delivers and waits for the pitch that's coming, then catches it close to the the zone and frames it. The umps eyes aren't catching that.
No way they should be calling balls and strikes any more rule interpretation cool but tech has made that stupid these days.
Framing only affects bad umpires
I think instead of getting robo umps, we should get rid of the live on-screen strikezone. Ever since they added it, people (myself included) have become so much more frustrated at umpires for missing calls, even when they're only a quarter inch off the zone. I think it would be more fair to the umps, more fun to watch, and less frustrating if we the on-screen zone away
I 100% agree with especially when you notice that most HOME RUNS YOU SEE are always balls slightly off and a lot of batters get froze at pitches down the middle.
This is a great point. Plus, the onscreen strike zones can be off a little bit (depending on broadcast) and can cause even more frustration. Umpires may be calling strikes that show up as balls on these broadcasts sometimes. I understand these umpires are professionals, but some of the crap I’ve heard people say for the umpire calling a ball no more than 3/4 inch off the plate a strike is absurd
They sure didn't like Brett Lawrie.
Why don't they just use a machine at this point? The game would be much better all around.
I’m old enough to remember when sportsmanship was valued positively and gamesmanship negatively. I also remember when the strike zone was called like it’s written in the rulebook. Look it up - - - you won’t believe it.
did the rule change since the last time you remember it ?
@@TheGr8SageSama No, umpires just ignore what the rule says is the top of the strike zone. The best theory is that the league ordered them to do it to increase the amount of hits.
You are completely delusional. Stuff like framing and trying to get an edge has ALWAYS been part of baseball.
And also, before the televised K-zone and pitch tracking, umpires had their own strike zones and pitchers just had to adjust. Some would have a bigger zone, others a smaller one and you just had to figure it out. If a pitcher was really locked in and hitting their spot, the umpire might give them a borderline call. If a pitcher is spraying, they might call borderlines a ball.
Look it up. You won't believe it.
Here is a simple question - - - does the rectangle graphic superimposed on TV broadcasts match the description of the strike zone in the rule book? It is almost always right at the belt, but rule is much higher than that. It is also usually at the bottom of the knee, lower than the rule. My delusional theory is that TV producers do this because that is the way umpires call pitches in reality, and it would be infuriating to see pitches called balls that hit a higher rectangle graphic that matched the rule book over and over. I just thought of an analogy to traffic law. Everyone drives five mph over the posted speed limit, because they know that is what the cops (the umps) allow. Civic planners know this, so they set the speed limit five mph lower than what they actually believe is the safe speed, and it all works out. The strike zone has lowered in practice without the rule book being updated.
As for framing pitches and sportsmanship, think about it from the point of view of the batter. He did his job and didn’t swing at a ball. Who should he be madder at when he is called out, the ump or the catcher?
I found out that the rule book says that players are not allow to speak to each other on the field. No fraternizing.
It doesn’t say what the punishment is, and it is never enforced. Next I’m going to try to find out if a base runner is allowed to yell at a player trying to field a ball. If it turns out to be allowable, I would still call it bad sportsmanship.
remember when a catcher fools an umpire into making a bad call, we all agree that the catcher is awesome and the umpire is terrible. Make it make sense.
Cant the league just select out any games with this catcher though as he's an outlier?
This is so much bullshit. I was a professional umpire in a number of softball leagues. I would position myself eyes level with the amrpits and nose directly above the inside edge of the plate. I could see on each pitch whether it was a strike or not. On outside pitches I could jerk my head over to the outside edge of the plate and see just as well there. I did not give a flying doodle where the catcher caught the ball and where he jerked his glove.
If major league umpires are influenced by where the catcher jerks his glove after the catch then I find them pathetic.
This is like the soccer players faking fouls
I thought it was going to be Bryce Harper 😅😂
So bailey ruined The Umpire. That sucks.
This guy really made a 15 minute video trying to excuse terrible umps calls 💀 this video means nothing because what's the excuse for the 2024 world series having the worst umps ever calling strikes balls and vis versa
ABS fixes catchers legally cheating, makes every call just, and lets the players focus on playing better rather than deceiving and lying.
There is no downside.
Lol, it's absolutely hilarious hearing framing called cheating. Grow up.
Go giants
I thought umpires only hate players who are assholes or something...
Pkease do not include Angel Hernandez in any of this. He is beyond terrible and was forced out of the game.
False. Angel was actually above average behind the plate and the stats prove it. Angels big issue was mistakes in the field and when they were made they were very egregious and often game changing. He was a bad ump sure but not because of his calling of balls and strikes. He also wasn’t forced out of the game but that’s neither here nor there.
how can anyone want the challenge system over full ABS? So they give the umpire a shot at it first, and then correct them....why dont they just go ahead and get it right the first time?! Umpires are almost useless now....most calls they make are subjective or very clear calls. Anything challengeable or close, they get wrong most of the time.
I think the best way to implement robo ump would be to have the challenge system, but lost challenges result in the loss of a mound visit, so the umpire can still call the game, but when there's a bad call it can get overturned
And Philly will make the playoffs with a much better record than SF.
What’s your point
@@Diehardbucsfan all those extra strike calls are not enough to get the Giants into the playoffs. That shows how bad the Giants are.
the day framing becomes obsolete is the day baseball makes progress towards a better future
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So he’s the best at cheating.
I've always thought framing was akin to cheating. Award the batter a walk, i say.
SAYING THAT THE SHOT CLOCK OR MORE COMPUTERS IN BASEBALL IS ULTIMATELY A GOOD THING IS ALL I NEEDED TO HEAR TO PAUSE THIS AND PEACE OUT. JUST ANOTHER STEP TO THE GAME GETTING FURTHER AND FURTHER FROM WHAT BASEBALL TRULY WAS, SO SAD.
Cheating is so fun
Nope the most important aspect of catching is game calling not framing
Strong disagree. 30 years ago you were probably right but these days pitch selections are usually already decided before the at bat ever occurs with very minimal change if you take into account they will plan for most scenarios. Calling a game is all analytics now. Don’t be surprised if soon it’s just done straight from the dugout. Catcher defense is vastly more important and this includes framing. Every strike you steal is a swing stolen and a pitch your pitcher most likely shaves a pitch off his pitch count. There’s a reason Jeff Mathis had a job for so long and he may as well not have owned a bat. Framing is the only skill other than a bat that can keep a catcher in a lineup without fail.
The giants still suck and I’m a giants fan
Garbage. Bring on the robo umps.
The Giants will not make the playoffs even with this help from the umpires. We need the computer to call balls and strikes.
Nahhhhhhh bro umpires are aware of this so no its not framing. Umps are just bad bro
As a Jew I have a sympathy for umpires
Honestly, I don't think framing should be allowed. Decieving the officials isn't really good sportmanship
it is just a part of the game
@@tiramisu6135 That doesn't make it good. That's like saying unnecessary problem x is just a part of life so there's not point trying to change it. That's a lazy argument
@@benkofi8570You literally cannot remove the act of receiving a pitch in a way that makes it look more like a strike. You cannot possibly argue for “removing” that and claim to understand how catching a baseball works, let alone baseball as a whole.
I love the artistry and craftsmanship of a good frame. In a perfect world, framing would be unnecessary and I can only imagine how catchers would adapt their mechanics to robot umps calling balls/strikes. But given the world in which we live, I like seeing a good frame as much as a good punch out as much as a good bat flip.
why not just fix the umps instead of banning framing
It’s easy, if the catcher moves the glove is a ball. That’s not an art, is cheating