U.S. Soccer Flameout and Hiring a Big-Time Manager With Rob Stone | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Rob Stone to talk all things U.S. Soccer.
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Hiring Pep Guardiola for the USMNT is absolute nonsense
Lol thinking he would even consider taking the job is hilarious
That would be the equivalent of Greg Popovich agreeing to coach the Maine Redclaws.
Would be a waste of money too, since if he was able to make players talented, his clubs wouldn't have spent so much adding foreign talent
@@dimitrijetucovic1307 indeed
@@BC-th3mx no manager in modern football history has ever coached a load of non talents into being world class. He coaches top players and top teams to generally play better than everyone else, he still needs top players and has to pay for them. Just like every other manager in football.
For non soccer watchers, them saying that the US team should hire Pep Guardiola is the NBA equivalent of saying that the pistons should hire Eric Spolstra. Sure it would be nice but it will never happen😂😂
I think it's closer to the Shanghai Dragons hiring Spo
bruh they said the exact same thing about MLS getting Messi. Money talks to egotistical celebrities. Spolstra would absolutely take the pistons job if they offered him 100 million a year.
I know nothing of European football. That dude has a job still. The other guy at least is on a "break". Have at least a punchers chance to hire Klopp.
They’re also completely ignoring the fact whoever they get in they have to pay the womens coach exactly the same which automatically discounts any top tier coach being hired. Someone like Moyes or Rogers are more realistic options and they wouldn’t break the budget.
@@scaryfascinatingJust as long as they’re willing to pay the womens coach exactly the same. Its in her contract.
Gregg Berhalter is 100% on Gregg Berhalter. We have been playing exactly how Gregg wants them the play. He micro-manages the team on the sideline. The reason we don't use speed to counter is because Gregg doesn't want us to. Gregg is on record for putting playing within the system above scoring goals. He was fired from other jobs for his lack of attack,
Well said
Love Rob Stone making the rounds turning up the pressure on us soccer unlike other times
Haji Wright getting 6 minutes of game time for this entire tournament after the 5 month purple patch he just had in the English Championship is CRAZY
this conversation is as much of a joke as the US Soccer program.
how these two had a conversation about the failures of the US Soccer program and why players haven't been developed without even discussing for one second about the grassroots/travel team culture of ridiculous fees where only kids of the rich can afford to play a game where you need nothing other than a ball is beyond me. it's clear that the US sucks at soccer due to this. I get that Bill is one said rich parent who paid for their kid to be in soccer. but surely he still knows that this is the systemic failure that absolutely has to change in order for players to be produced and results to improve.
To be fair, we have the some of best athletes in the world. They just don't play soccer. Little bit easier for other countries since soccer is the main sport by a mile.
@@HKim0072being a great athlete is secondary in football. There's a reason 4 of the 5 best players of all time are shorter than 5'11.
And even if they were interested they'd likely be frozen out of youth football due to the cost and politics involved.
@@HKim0072 i get that. but if you can't even admit that the US has /still/ underperformed due to totally solvable systemic issues, i don't know what to tell you.
Soccer in Canada is another country in which it's far, far down the pecking order in terms of prominence, and has a population 1/10th the size of the States. And has been repeatedly outperforming the US in recent years (2020 Women's Olympics, Men's World Cup Qualifying, Copa America this year). That should not happen. That should be utterly embarrassing.
@@kb5509 Dude - that's basically the running back position, cornerback and point guards.
@@jamesdrummond7684no, you don’t get that. You don’t get anything anybody is saying. You’re a fan and you’re illogical in your fandom.
Bill does a great job representing a general sports fan who’s watched the USMNT for years and if given the opportunity to chat w Rob. Yes he doesn’t know the game that well; but he thinks like I do…so it’s very valuable to me.
On the one hand I agree and I’m glad there is someone who can represent the casual football fan, on the other hand, as someone who is obsessed with football, the discussions he has are embarrassingly bad, and the guests he has on to discuss it are even worse. They don’t help shed any understanding on the game or the team. This guy Rob Stone is genuinely speaking nonsense here, as is anyone else who comes on and talks football.
@@foxosler I respect your take. just trying to give you my perspective as an outsider.
@@jarrodjob greatly appreciated. Football is for everyone, I love the growing passion for it, even amongst fans who have never watched before or occasionally/semi occasionally watch.
@@foxosler wow. You just made my day. A positive, contrite, agree to disagree on UA-cam? 🤝 ❤️
@@jarrodjob could say exactly the same thing about you, sir. Nothing but love and positivity over on this side. 🤝🏼
I love Bill's basketball analysis, but listening to him basically wing a conversation about football is super entertaining. " They didn't even have a goal against Panama." 😂
You’d never know his daughter got recruited and plays high level college soccer… he sounds like he knows nothing about the sport😂😂😂
he knows nothing about basketball anymore lol hes washed
@@kieranjo1135bruh you can’t be washed about knowing something 😂
@@otterpods his brain is deteriorating man early onset alzheimers or something
@@kieranjo1135 dude what 😂 what makes you say that bro
Hahahahahahahahahah Klopp and Pep hahahahahahahah do me a favour
JAJAJAJA the delusion is the reason why the US is what it is in football
@@pineapplefilms6748They’re also ignoring or aren’t aware that the womens coach would have to be paid exactly the same. Its in her contract. Only in America.
It's pretty embarrassing that they even think it could happen 😂
@@1972dsraiI don't think that's true, I heard espn say different, but don't worry they won't even answer the phone never mind take the job
Guardiola or Klopp 😂😂
Delusional
Not really considering Klopp doesn’t have a job, and Guardiola’s contract expires soon. The job of an international coach isn’t as demanding also. And being the coach of a host nation, especially for a country like the US could boost your profile beyond what you can imagine…
@@sweetbeanstv Guardiola and Klopp are already more prolific than the entitiy of US - soccer. They literally shaped modern soccer tactics of the modern age. Winning a world cup is the only way they could even more famous. Thats the only way, a coaching job for a Top 30 team is not going to cut it
@@sweetbeanstvit absolutely is. They can take their pick of top club jobs, and international jobs for that matter, why would they choose to take a job that pays much less,they barely get to coach either their players or any matches, and they'd be managing worse players. Either of them could say tomorrow they want to coach Brazil or their home country and would start the job the next day.
And they're the 2 most famous managers in football, how would their profile be raised anymore by managing a country for 6 weeks? There's a reason elite managers almost never take international jobs anymore.
@@sweetbeanstv Klopp’s retired. He’s only coming out of retirement for the German job
@@sweetbeanstvkid, you need to go read the US soccer federation by laws. If you did, you would understand how ignorant your comment is regarding hiring a big name coach. Google is your friend.
The problem with USA football is that there is no USA football culture.
Europe and South America are plagued with competitive local teams and leagues, in England there is regions where you have even 8th tier football leagues.
USA is miles away from that, they are trying to replicate the NBA/Basketball system to grow talent, but its been proven that the european and south american systems are superior.
Time to adapt
Having relegation/promotion would be a good start to make the MLS more competitive.
Rob lives on another planet if he thinks Klopp or Pep would ever come to the dumpster fire that is the USMNT. What a horrendous take.
Agreed. He may as well add Ancelotti and Zidane to list.
They said the same thing about Messi to the MLS.
But i like the attitude. Think big is your thing over there, isn`t it? You have to think bigger, especially on the coaches spot. Lure guys like Ralf Rangnick. Who know how to build a system and identity from the ground up..
Jurgen might.
@@scottipippen6554a positive attitude is one thing. Complete delusion is another.
Americans speaking about soccer remind me of Terrance Howard speaking about mathematics
Delusional comes to mind.
Shut up
😂😂😂 had a giggle at this my bro
Right….because Soccer (errr futbol) is rocket science. Ummm no it’s not! It’s the most simple and basic of all sports which is what makes it so great and worldly played. People act like the game is too complex for Americans. But it’s one of the most played sports in the country and people who watch it get it just fine. Yeah, our youth development has issues, MLS doesn’t have relegation etc etc etc. people who follow our men’s team know this. Quit acting like soccer is too complicated for people who watch and follow other more complex sports!
@@mackdeen7021 welcome Lala's son to the conversation everybody!
The way bill says "they" instead of "we" is super telling
They aren't the Celtics or Patriots.🤣
Whenever the US gets in a big tournament, the fickle American media hops on the bandwagon trying to get their clicks. The majority of them are completely clueless about futbol as you can see. Frustrating to see because next week its back to hoops and the gridiron (i love both so dont come at me) and they wont talk about the USMNT until the world cup. Its disingenuous at best
@@Chudsic The team is not good enough to talk about. You'd be tanking your ratings and interest talking about our 🍑
@@Hybridd27 more like the american media don't even know what good futbol looks like, let alone the fans calling for fucking pep or klopp to magically appear and bring the usmnt to world cup glory.. ye right
Why would he say we? Is he on the team?
Give Herv Renard a call.
Perfect guy, and he won't cost alot,
Lmao bill clueless about this.
A bit!!!?
I mean no disrespect here, but this conversation is the problem. Two people that have no idea what Soccer is, and they are our media. Rob Stone covers the game for us in the world cup, and on Fox Sports and is too lazy to really learn the game. This is the problem folks. Not having any idea what needs to be done, missing who really is the best player on the team. When obviously our best player right now is Antonee Robinson, a guy that England would love to have on their team where they have a weakness at left back... But our media complains and not offer solutions, or know what the game is.... Bill Simmons, and Rob Stone you are part of the problem. Thank you!
Absolutely, not to mention they don’t talk about the development/academy system in the US being lacking. It’s not about the athletes playing other countries have 2M-10M people and produce world class players. Bill was talking about “grittiness” and “toughness” 😂
England would not love to have Robinson in the team, he wouldn't have gone to the Euros. England still have the United left back, the Chelsea left back, a couple of very players that have often played there in Gomez and Trippier, plus the likes of Henry and Mitchell that play every game for midtable teams.
@@kb5509 Chilwell and Shaw are both hurt and they’ve been forced to play Trippier there. By the way Antonee started every game for Fulham this year who is a mid table team. Stats showed he was a top 3 LB in the prem this year.
@@ImTupp Chilwell isn't hurt, he was left out because Trippier was taken as the left back because he's been a key starter at every tournament under Southgate.
And I'm sure he'd get a couple of caps if he was English, but England wouldn't be delighted to have him. He's your pretty typical midtable full back, 2 or 3 players definitely ahead of him and 2 or 3 others around his level. He's basically a modern day Chris Powell.
What stats?
@@kb5509 Well I am going by what an idiot announcer called Ian Dark said, and I figured he knew what he was talking about, but it goes to prove the English are just as clueless about the game as we are, and that's why they need Foreign players and coaches to win their premier league. We need to get rid of their announcers too because of that as well...
Pep or Klopp lmfao. USMNT would be lucky to get Sean Dyche bruh. Berhalter was being paid 1.3 mill base. Pep is around 20 times that lol.
International pays much less than club football because the time demands are much less. The USMNT role is actually a perfect gig for a coach that doesn’t want a high pressure job, but who wants massive US exposure in a cycle where the World Cup is being played in the US. It’s really a unique opportunity and I could see it being attractive to many high profile managers.
Honestly Sean Dyche would be good for this team.
@@jasondbakerehh, that high pressure bit is definitely changing
Hahaha - I was thinking the same thing; Dyche would be perfect the US and its player pool.
@@jasondbakerwhy would a manager want massive US exposure? One of the things non-American athletes love most about the US is the relative anonymity. So youd ve getting rid of that, to earn less money, work with lesser players ajd getting no time to coach.
The problem is people like Bill and his duaghter. But on the mens side, because 98% of parents cant afford travel soccer and our greatest athletes cant even afford entry into youth clubs because of expense. United States made the cheapest sport itw is almost as expensive as Golf 😂😂 US will never do anything internationally until they develop their best athletes not kids that should be running hedgefunds and plumbers. Its not about coaching on a national level. We are 50 yrs behind europe developing youth players
what can we expect from Matt Crocker and the USSF board? Crocker's last "extensive review and world wide search" led to nearly unanimous board approval for Gregg's rehire. this is who they are. unless they pleasantly surprise us we have got to boycott USSF, which includes boycotting USSF sponsors
Antonee Robinson is a 'keeper' ... crazy he wasn't mentioned .. dude can play and gets it done every week in the EPL as well
This whole convo just became irrelevant when dude mentioned trying to get Klopp and Pep. Shows how delusional his viewpoint on US soccer is…
This was so bad. Bill please don’t ever talk on footy again lol leave this to other channels
The women’s coach would also have to be paid the same as its in her contract so that discounts getting any top tier elite coaches, but getting someone like Moyes or Rogers would be a good shout and a huge improvement and wouldn’t completely destroy the budget.
@@1972dsrai this is entirely false
We've gotten better since 2018, we have. Our team is significantly better.
Our kids grew up with their parents driving them to every practice and game, and never just playing pick up games and figuring it out for themselves. The rest of the world grew up playing in the streets until identified and dropped in academies where it was kill or be killed. As a result, they have far more creativity and grit then our players do. And you see the lack of grit in the Uruguay game. They play with Uruguay for 30 minutes, the going gets tough (tough play and bad ref), and they stop playing to win. Sad.
Alright chief, let's temper expectations on managers a bit.
In the MLS currently, there are 2 coaches that did coach a high level: Tata Martino (who did coach at Barcelona), and Dean Smith (Real Premier League pedigree). This is the realistic expectation of coaches that you can get.
Maybe buy low on Jose Mourinho in Turkey? Throw a checkbook at him and see if his "disciplinary" can whip your boys into shape (though I would imagine him eyeing that Portugal job, but worth a shout anyway). The Free Agency of Coaches is trash anyway. Maybe outbid one of the coaches lost in Saudi to get them to the states? Pep and Klopp would be hard to impossible to hire though.
Moyes or Rogers would be a good shout. Whatever they agree to pay they have to pay the womens coach exactly the same which basically discounts getting any top tier elite coaches. These people are delusional.
@@1972dsrai yeah. Klopp going to the US would be a swerve. though he is on the FA block (would be a swerve tho, sorry Simmons that ain't happening brother)
Love your shoutout to Moyeseh and Rodgers. Managers on the US level rn, but with experience in the top job.
Bill is the best sports analyst in the world. Watching from Bangkok. Cheers.
@@tombrokow8181 sarcasm, I love it
As a millennial that doesn’t follow soccer that closely here in the states, I don’t see how we’re going to even be competitive in time for the 2026 World Cup. We just don’t have the necessary talent, let alone the proper coaching. 😅❤
The US definitely have the talent to be competitive, they're probably lower end of top 20 in the world in terms of ability.
@@kb5509 see to me, that’s not really being competitive! Being competitive isn’t top 20 in the world, it would be top 10 in the world!
The US has the Raw talent to crush everyone else at every sport, period. Full stop. We just don't have an appetite for Soccer, hence why we call it Soccer and not Futbol because he don't want something lame getting confused with something awesome. If anyone wants to question that claim go check out the All-time Olympic medal count.
@@nicoalexander774 i would think having the talent that you should get out of your group and then also are more likely to get to the quarter finals than not and could give any team a decent game on a 1 off basis (based on talent and seeding) is pretty much competitive.
I would say a team that gets to the second round of the playoffs is competitive.
@@ThePenitentSquirrel The US has no talent, the Chinese win lots of gold medals too, nobody cares, still terrible at team sports just like the US
If the NFL's best RBs and WRs played in European soccer they would make more money, have more worldwide fame, and a chance for longer careers. Only when American parents of elite youth athletes push their kids into soccer over especially football will this be a possibility for the US to win on the world stage.
I've always said many of the best athletes in the world were backs in the NFL.
@@David-iv6je Football (soccer) is about skills not only about athleticism and you americans are bad at skills
The best soccer player ever is like 5ft 6in and 150lbs. He wouldn’t be able to compete on any minor league team in American sports. You cannot take great American football, basketball, and baseball athletes and turn them into soccer stars. That’s not how it works. These are different sports which require different physical qualities.
It's pay to play you have to be loaded to play those tournaments and travel. The youth system is broken.
@@jasondbakerhe’s saying those are the best athletes in America. If they were pushed to be in soccer, they wouldn’t have put the mass on their bodies. They wouldn’t be 210lbs because they wouldn’t need that strength for soccer.
What a surprise! Another Fox crew member saying it has nothing to do with our terrible coach! Hmm, see a pattern here? If the whole team looks lost and unmotivated most of the time, it's the coach. always has been!
Love when Rob talks soccer. I think it's bigger than just Greg. US soccer is not for everyone. It's too expensive so lower middle class and poor can't afford it. I agree that they are not blue collar as much as in year's past. One thing I noticed about this convo is that last night Rob went after USSF a little bit saying how they were fighting for the women's team more than the men's. Today, that never even came up in his analysis. Hmm.... Who got to Rob?
I’d take Clint Dempsey over almost any current U.S.dude. He was a dawg
He from that NAC!
I’d take BJ over GGG. At least He had them playing much better and was able to get goals in the 1:/3 where Berhalter fails. Ok, I’m not saying he should be the choice. I’m merely illustrating how almost anyone can succeed with this roster enough to beat teams like Panama. We don’t need a world class top notch coach to get better results from the talent we have!
“I keep thinking of that goal England got at the end of that game” Simmons prob has no idea who Bellingham is
I'm listening to this while wearing my Ronaldinho 3/4 Nike pants.
Not enough talent period. Can change the coach or whatever in the end it comes down to talent. Not complicated
Yes, tell Morocco and Japan that
@@GunnerstahlYthe national sport of Morocco is soccer. There’s 300 million more people in America than Morocco, I bet Morocco has at least 3x more soccer fans than America does. Nobody cares about it here.
@@limitedbom2206tell that to NBC’s EPL coverage… 10 years ago I’d agree with you… It’s different now… and USSF is pissing away the opportunity letting a guy whom got fired from Hammarby in the second league of Sweden because they weren’t scoring goals, hasn’t won anything in MLS either…
@@Beamer719 Facts 💯
You can still improve the team with the right coach in place to get the most out of them through clever tactics and formation. Thats whats great about football as the best teams don’t always win.
I think this is pretty reactionary. arguably they played better than Uruguay. The red card fucked us in the Panama game. Balogun is the first time in a while I've felt good about a forward on this team and so many people on the team are truly talented. I'm frustrated but I don't think this is as bad as people think.
agreed man, Bill Simmons argument about Bellinghams goal not being possible was so laughable. We have players that have competed with Bellingham
We have to become the world’s best.
This generation of US men’s teams has two guys from my hometown. Idk what else we can do to pump out soccer players 😂
dope who dat
U.S. Youth development is winning above skills development…
I’ve been saying it for years. The media and maybe the players care way too much about hype than actual play. McKennies loan from Juventus to Leeds was celebrated when anyone who knows football knows that is a massive downgrade. Same when Pulisic left Dortmund for Chelsea and Adams left Leipzig. Sure you get more social media likes playing in the EPL but you don’t learn anything there and the play is terrible. All World Cup winners in the last 30 years have never had squads with heavy EPL players. 2006 Italy played in Serie A, 2010 Spain played in La Liga, 2014 Germany played in the Bundesliga, 2018 France played in La Liga and Ligue 1, 2022 Argentina played in La Liga and Serie A. Play for clubs in leagues that know proper football, not England
2018 Ligue 1 was just as bad if not worse than the epl is now
It’s disappointing because we have more talent than we ever have before, yet we always underperform; whereas in the early 2010s we didn’t have a lot of talent, but we’d always over-perform
You played to your strengths then. Now you think you’re better than you actually are based on some friendly wins.
The problem is Christian McCaffrey is never going to play soccer.
Was googling a few athletes. Tyreek Hill played soccer until middle school.
_'I was supposed to be playing soccer right now but my mom wanted me to play football, because football is a part of our household and everyone in our family played football,' Hill added. 'I was the different one and I wanted to play soccer,' Hill continued. 'I was a striker, I was more athletic, I was faster than everyone and my agility was next level. Of course I scored goals. In middle school, I was the man.'_
Odell Beckham Jr played until 14, but didn't want to go overseas.
_My coach was pushing to try and get me on the national team and try out. At that age, you’re 13, 14 years old, you know that to make it big in soccer you are probably going to have to go overseas._
Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) would have been a handful at striker.
_For me, it was soccer. And as I got older and into high school, my grandma sat me down and we thought about longevity and a professional career, then the right sport would be football._
Wes Welker played in high school.
_Welker started playing the sport when he was 4 years old, and he once scored 16 goals in a single game. He was an all-state soccer player at Heritage Hall High School_
Ndamukong Suh would have been...interesting and comical.
_Suh’s father was so encouraged by his son’s soccer talents he debated sending him to a European boarding school so he’d have a better shot at a pro career, though Suh’s mother shot that idea down._
A lot of people ask if Donovan or Dempsey would make this squad. I don’t think any of these players would make the 2002 and 2009 squads. Maybe just Pulisic. Jermaine would run circles around these midfielders.
An absolutely wild take.
USA Jesse Marsch is not a big time football coach yet he led Canada to the Copa America semi finals with 13 MLS players. I love Rob Stone during a Fox broadcast he said, "Go big or go home," hire a world class coach. I said this a good idea giving where 2 years from World Cup 2026.
Is there a Jim Harbaugh-like coach available? If there’s ever a time to back up the truck and go all-in with an ELITE coach, the time is now. Hosting a World Cup happens once every 30 years.
Rob and Bill, watch your own podcast and listen to what you are saying. To summarize, you are both basically saying the players have the ability at this level but are lacking grit, direction, strategy, etc. But then you are saying it may not be Berhalter's fault, you are resting the mediocrity on the players. Think about the difference between leadership and management. A leader can pull the intangibles out of a team, a manager cannot. USMNT has been lacking true leadership for some time. I also think Alexi Lalas is dead wrong in his evaluation of the 1994(?) team to this team. From a willingness to fight, absolutely the 94' team had more bite to them. But there is no way they have the skill, vision, athleticism that today's team has. Period. What is needed is a leader to bring this group together. Maybe you are close or friends with Berhalter and cherish his friendship over the responsibility of being a journalist. But I would challenge you to listen to your own words and rethink what you are saying.
Haha neither Klopp or Guardiola will even sit down and listen…
This team needs a Herb Brooks like figure as a coach. A complete shift in mentality and mindset.
We literally do have talent , gio reyna, pulisic, dest, tyler adams, antonee robinson, johnny cardoso, joe scally playing good for nt. The one dude was talking about how the players have no blue collar grit well that comes down to the coach instilling a culture and holding players accountable and if we get a good coach and the players play bad then you can blame the players. How many times do you see in the nfl where a bad team gets a ne coach and then immediately the team immediately becomes a wild card team. Its more accurate to compare soccer to football than basketball because in basketball a single guy can get you far
Bro, I keep telling people the following: we need to send our players to Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Colombia where football is a religion!
Doesn’t really matter. Those places have solid development, not great but your issue is that its pay to play. Kids have to pay big money to play and europe or anywhere else almost besides US its only pay small money for monthly training and equipment. You lose out on huge amounts of athletes to other sports due to this. Also I hate to break it to you, this team just really isn’t good. The profiles of the players don’t complement each other and the current talent level is not there. The potential of some players is there for sure but is it going to be reached? Not really..
To what end? Players get sent to Europe, where football is just as popular and the coaching and facilities are far more advanced.
Ridiculous idea
@RJM1972not a single player on the Men’s national team is considered a “star” player anywhere else in the world. Pulisic in Italy is the only player with a regular starting role in a big league for a big club. You can’t expect role players and bench players to all of a sudden turn into forces of nature when they play in the red, white and blue. Sports don’t work like that. USMNT is full of role players and bench players at best in any league outside of MLS. Those are objective facts.
Europe is where it's at. Sure South America has great talent, but their facilities and training methods are far less good than Europe
USMNT is too soft and too slow. At that level, you cant be soft and slow. We got worked. We whine to the ref. Sadly, this has been the case for as long as I can remember....
McKinnie for example....he looked POUNDS overweight. He was slow and soft. This guy plays in Europe?!?!?!?! WTF?!
Lol not blaming GGG..... here up this best of friends we play for fun atmosphere....
USA can get an Argentinian coach. Even a guy like LaVolpe who is Argentinian and has coached in Mexico for decades would be a great coach for the USA. He did wonders with the Mexico National team and he did a good job with Costa Rican National team also.
There are plenty of good coaches out there who would do a better job than the current incumbent.
U.S. soccer stakeholders are not able to have honest conversations. It's not (just) about having a batman as Rob Stone is saying. It is also not about coaching. It is about TALENT and CULTURE. As Bill alluded, if Christian Pulisic is your best player, he's "Aaron Gordon" and you're a lottery team. Good teams have multiple opportunities at goal which is why they end up converting two or three every game. On the other hand, Christian Pulisic is your third best player, you're competitive for a World Cup trophy.
I'm Nigerian. We have a soccer culture, but the opposite problem of the U.S., which is a complete lack of systemic attention, funding and process with our NFA. U.S. has system, but no actual culture, where you learn the tricky fouls etc. playing on the yard. To me, the U.S team is always the equivalent of a bunch of decent Rec Center basketball kids (regardless of ethnic background) going to play outside against "ballers" at the Rucker with the noise, trash talk, heat and chain nets. All around the world, including Europe, football/Soccer is rough, a trench sport. Balogun wouldn't even make the field for Nigeria Super Eagles and we're pretty down bad at this point so for him to be a sorta U.S. team difference maker... welp.
What they started this conversation talking about was urgency, this team is complacent & comfortable, that the defining reason for needing a new coach. How did the US beat Jamaica after the lucky OG that sent the match to ET? Gio playing the 10 & Haji playing LW (Pulisic RW). Berhalter did not do that again, Haji barely played & he played Gio as a Pirlo 6. The system sucks, you cannot play positional play at an international level & that’s what Berhalter does.
I like that he tries to talk about football but damn they don’t know ball and it’s a shame honestly.
Rob talking about McKennie doesn’t see how he was with Dave Sarachan vs Portugal. Berhalter forces a system that stifles creativity and freedom.
They need to rely more on prong attacks lmao. Love how clueless Bill is and how he is trying to shoehorn basketball or football tactics into soccer.
Why do they all do that? There are already well established terms for everything in football, try using those.
Instead of pep guardiola while not Columbus crew coach with berharter as assistant coach to Gregg, that would be legendary
The team takes on the personality of the manager. He'd rather be buddies with them and make them comfortable than inspire and demand. And that's just one of his shortcomings.
The Celtics are a great example; they have zero guys you’re scared of; no MVP caliber dominant guys, just a solid team. No guys that will rip your heart out like LeBron; Steph; Jokic; Luka; even Butler. Just good solid players; Brown; Tatum; Holiday; White; Horford; Porzingis. None of those guys could carry a team alone, but together they were champions. That’s what USMNT needs to strive to be the 2024 Celtics team of world soccer.
The US team have plenty of solid players.
Haven’t watched the video yet, but wanted to comment before I watched to see if the stipulation US soccer agreed to that every nickel spent by the USMNT has to be a one for one match to the women’s side is brought up. Meaning if USMNT went out and got Pep, US soccer federation would have to pony up that exact salary and give it to the Women’s team. It’s completely absurd and a major reason why US soccer is still irrelevant and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.
Connor Mcgergor aged quickly ..
These tv people are the ones that criticize players for staying in mls but what the hell they go to Europe and sit on the bench makes no F sense
You write a blank check and shoot for the moon. If you don’t hit the moon you grab the highest star on your way back down. Not hard.
Greggy Burgerflipper has to go away.
Brendon Rogers or David Moyes are realistic shouts as replacements. The US isn’t going to get someone like Klopp or Pep esp when whatever they pay the mens coach they have to pay the women’s exactly the same.
If you do not bring your A game to every match you can get beat by almost every other National team that is bringing their A game! The Panama players play professional soccer just like our players. This just is not the USA it goes for every team out their Brazil tied Costa Rica and then they got their A game going. The current USA team just lacks the midfield control and they lose it due to style or lack of understanding or just poor fitness. Not sure but I keep calling for a 3-5-2 formation - Keep the back 3 back and keep the top 2 forwards up working those CB's and spaces.. Maybe it looks more like a 3-2-3-2 but I think our top players fit this formation better than the 4-3-3
So, let me get this straight. Your guy punches the other guy in the face, gets rightfully red-carded and you guys have the nerve to call the other team dirty?
Has the use of fentanyl spread this badly in the U.S.?
You know your old when you start blaming kids for the reason US soccer in its current state.
welcome to the german modern system: players with amazing tactical awareness, great passing, and no one has a personality, no one knows how to decide.
Bro, US will never do anything significant in soccer, its not part of the culture, its not in the DNA. That's it, analysis over, now lets guess the lines for week 1 !!!
In terms of the coach, I feel like it would be a nice break of a 2 year stretch for any high level coach, if the US throw a bag at someone why not? Specially Klopp has nothing to lose. Its not like you can perform worse than what they are doing now...
High level coaches rarely, if ever, want a 2 year break. Especially when they're giving up millions by doing so. And if any coach does want less pressure for a short time, they'll just go to Saudi and get 80 times the money than they can get at international level.
@@kb5509 yeah I can see that, but think about this situation in a vacuum. If they do badly there is no real pressure, if they do eel they get all the glory. I do agree that they would have to give them an insane salary tho
@@TulioMCano Your argument is based on taking the US job as a "no lose scenario". The fact is that there are better "no lose scenarios" like coaching european clubs that are already dominant in their respective national leagues (PSG, Bayern, Juventus,...). There is almost guaranteed silverware domestically for such teams, unlike the US job which can only offer a realistic chance of winning the Gold Cup (which no body cares about). In addition such clubs offer more football heritage and more money. No top manager would be interested in the job. Let me put it this way: For 6 months the USA federation looked for the best managers they could find, and it was Benharter...
Klopps name keeps being brought up and he is on record saying there are only 2 national teams hed coach one being germany the second the us so maybe its a possibility if not then lets get low
Neither Guardiola nor Klopp coached a national team. Managing a national team is different than managing a club.....
Why even bring up names like Pep and Klopp. Its not realistic or necessary. The main thing is getting Berhalter out. He is a MLS shill who only knows how to play his "system". And its not even a good system. He lost his coaching job at swansea because his system didn't produce enough offense. Same issue the usmnt has struggled with Berhalter's entire tenure. At this point, I'd take another MLS manager over Berhalter.
How do you NOT blame Berhalter. We know that we have players here with skill, and we generate ONE goal against that competition? NO signature wins under Berhalter? The team isn't set up to succeed, and they're certainly not being motivated correctly. And that points to the manager, not the entire team of players.
Lots of folks are calling for Greggs sacking. Truth behold I'd like him gone too. But, these players have culpability in all these games (5+ years). But I think we can all agree that we've seen Great coaches take mediocre teams to a higher level. Sometimes they take them to a unbelievable high. And then you have a mediocre coach who destroys a really good team. Sadly we're living the latter. We have a small window to make changes and grow a fine team. No more mediocrity, it has to end NOW.
David Moyés is the answer
Thats what I think. Him or someone like Rogers would be a huge improvement on what they’ve got and wouldn’t completely destroy the budget as whatever they’re paid they have to pay the womens coach exactly the same in the US.
I didn't know gavin newsom was a sports commentator.
Hahahahhaahhahahahahahah Pep and Klopp be real man
The players would be better off being the main guy at a team like West Ham or Real Sociedad than riding the bench at Bayern Munich or Barcelona. Not least because theyd be used to playing for teams that are often outgunned talent-wise and can transfer that mentality to the USMNT. Even Pulisic had to take a step back in order to go forward when he left Chelsea. And hes the best player.
What USA player is at Barcelona?
No US player is good enough to be the best at a west ham or Sociedad level club
this is football guys - you dont need A star - you need 11 good players playing a good systems - stars dont matter in football - thats why messi or ronaldo never are dominating on international level but teams like spain or france were^^
It doesn’t matter that our fans are more educated, our kids leagues are mostly pay to play. My kids best sports were soccer but they play high school Lacrosse now because they could actually tryout and not have to come from an expensive club team that feeds the school.
The problem is we in the USA only care if we have a star player.
But you can make the argument that the players themselves have mostly progressed with their clubs. Many of them not only earning starting roles but playing well In good leagues. How on earth do these players progress, and get better since the WC and arguable take a step back and play terrible as a team against inferior sides ? These guys talk as if our players.are not getting playing time or not progressing in their clubs. And that’s not the reality! Yet they can’t beat Panama????? The problems exist from the top to the coaching. Corruption, nepotism bad coaching and culture is the problem. It affects the play of the team.
No competent football manager worth his salt would touch the US National team with asbestos gloves. It's a direct path to the toilet.
Bill Simmons looks as disinterested as I am listening to an NBA podcast. Bill, love The Rewatchables btw.
You cannot have a great team at the top without having talent and good coaches at the base of the pyramid. The reason the US women have been top of the world for a long time was for exactlybthe same reason: outside the US soccer as a women’s sport has always been tiny while it was big in the US.
US women WERE ON TOP FOR A LONG TIME. Past tense. Didn’t they flame out in the Women’s World Cup after suing its own federation bc of greed by bitches?
The US will never get to that level. Soccer is culture and heritage. Unfortunately, the big teams have over 100 years head start to perfect their game.
Tim weah is the one that costs United States Copa America. He never did something like this with Juventus, and come out here and start punching people as great as Tim weah is. Yes, we do understand that the panama player does what exactly his coach told him to do to make sure a great player like Tim weah did not breathe in that field and the panama player did exactly what he was taught to do by his coach and Tim Weah got angry and punched him with a red card and that was it today
Klopp. One word - stop. That comment sums up the delusional attitude in regards to the quality the US team contains and will contain in 2 years. Klopp. Was there smoke clouding the camera shots? To make that statement you need to be smoking something.
America, Introduce a relegation/promotion system in all your sports. You will be able to compete internationally in sports you didnt invent. but It will make franchise values unstable and i dont see Americans doing anything to mess up the money , thats a sin in America.
FIRE GREGG BERTHALTER NOW AND HIRE A SUCCESSFUL FOREIGN COACH!
The problem with USA soccer is not the manager its the players. The players are a shit salad. When your best player is Christian Pulisic , you have problems
The players are good. Everything below world class, best in the world isn't shit.
Spot on Rob!!
Man ...we are soft.
Soft...our team has no grit...and we can talk about Panama all day but how about how PANAMA Last Year... basically put us over their knee and spanked us....when I watched that game ...I knew we were not a TEAM w balls
Simmons doesn’t know shit about European football
U.S should move their home base training facility to Europe. Just be totally immersed in soccer culture
Of course Rob Stone doesn't want to blame Berhalter. The coach doesn't know how to make the most of the talent he has.
Hes not good at in game changes and subs.
The players deserve blame too but the coach just is levels below where we need him to be.
That’d be like asking a Prime Phil Jackson to coach the Australian basketball team. How deluded have you got to be?
Not even close
The irony is the lower levels of football are as you described at the beginning. Players running about, giving everything. The top level of the game is not played like that. Players are too good. Sounds like you want the USA to play like a bunch of amateur school boys. Top players do not bother challenging unless it is the right time to press, because they know they are wasting energy and the ball wont be there when they arrive. I think your problem is that you have a very mediocre team with average talent. They will give anyone a game, but against the good teams will get found out. The only solution is build the football infrastructure at the grassroots and develop. Look at Japan if you want a good model.
They need stop comparing their system to germany or england or france. Usa needs to be horrible. You are right. They should follow what japan is doing. Even better. Uruguay. 4 of their players play for flamengo in brasil. A great club. USA media doesnt mention because its not european club. They look at england n germany like demi gods. Way these guys r talking. U can tell they act arrogant. Thats american mentality. When in reality they need to follow a japan, uruguay, why not look at what venezuela has done or better, colombia. How in 4 years. They change their style. Remember they miss world cup n had several manager changes. Look at them now.
Usa wont do that. Because they are not european nations.