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I think it's in a great spot. It's supposed to be the 'best' or among the best multi role fighters. The reality is that a negligible percent of players know how to actually fly their ships well. Myself included. I really appreciate your you spelled it out on space tomatoes podcast.
100% that podcast was pure gold.
I just like having a medium fighter that doesn't suck. Albeit it isn't a medium fighter it's a heavy fighter, but medium fighters are kind of mediocre right now.
@Yurikan I'm looking forward to what the tana can do after armor is done and it gets its vtols working for better maneuvering.
man 4 percent shields and 1 gun working you still managed the second round.
Great analysis dude, it’s good to see the furi able to stand up to the F8
Thank you for pointing this out to the community 👉 I think the F8 is right where it should be for now 🚀 People see high DPS and assume it's op. DPS isn't everything folks 🤔
Corsair syndrome.
Good video. People over-react on the F8. First, it has absolutely zero Heavy Fighter peer to compare it with in the (public) game. The only heavy fighter peer it has is the Ares; which itself is massively out of adjustment & a different style of heavy fighter. Second, the F8 (and other Heavy Fighters behind it) will ultimately break down into the classic skill-cap duality. The F8 at the extreme top end of the skill distribution; the F8 is not the best. Dumb it down the bell curve, and suddenly the "heavy" part of it being a heavy fighter brings it massively to the front of the power list of fighters. That... Is OK... It's not a problem. A $250-300usd heavy fighter using it's strength should be beating $75-200usd fighters being used poorly. Do not head on fight a ship with double the firepower and four times the sustainment... The opposite should also be true. The well flown ship should be able to win against the poorly flown one.
Both of those realities are proving true for the F8. Top pilots like yourself show that the more agile fighters are still better than competitive. The average person that is not at the top are also finding out a heavy fighter does in fact have more firepower and sustainment; which is leading to a more positive outcome farther down the bell curve.
Things are improving for sure! The ships and weapons are still not really great taken as a whole, but the F8 is really showing that we can see the separation between ships that have been touched in the last few years and the theme running. Tune the F8 against the two darling light fighters & then put the mediums somewhere in the middle.
I've had my tobii for almost 2 years and love the hell out of it.
Solid analysis and feedback, thanks for helping deflate the panicwagons wheels a bit :)
Have used the Tobii for most of my 6 months in Star Citizen and love it after getting everything set right.
But...
A week and a half ago someone found a workaround for EasyAntiCheat and vorpx, and I tried it out and can't go back. After some adjustment, the at-scale VR in helmet is way too impressive, even on a cheap Quest 2.
Dogfights, races, hell just daily Stanton things (tm) are a whole new experience this way. With a HOSAS setup as well, I've been nothing but smiles since I tried it last weekend.
Give it a shot if you have a VR helmet!
As a pure combat ship that doesn't even have a QD the Fury kind of deserves top have an edge.
I have had a tobii for quite some time now, they are absolutely awesome for flying
Strong disagree here as this video proves the point even more with how OP the F8 is. The Fury is supposed to be the greatest weakness for the F8, yet Coldsealion STILL came extremely close to killing your Fury. Does he usually beat you in 1v1's more than you beat him?
Phenom and Sealion are without a doubt, some of the best pilots inside SC right now and they certainly do _NOT_ pull their punches in any fight. Those future reddit posts will be laughably shallow and off base. Great video showcasing the F8's strengths and weaknesses and great fights all around.
One of the main things I love about Advenger One is that he proves that being a good pilot will always be more important than the type of ship you fly in dog fights (with the exception of like a fury vs a hammerhead)
I mean if you've got an hour and enough fuel, fury still wins against a hammerhead cause of the turret autoaim which is ridiculous cause its 1 snub vs 6 people in a corvette...
@@johnboyd9713 Well; In the future a fury wouldn't be able to scratch a Hammerhead besides maybe damaging turrets
armor systems ahoy!
but as of right now yea
@@Kalrisi_Rei Yep. As is. This will not be the case in the near future, hopefully.
Pretty ridiculous. Turrets are better than they were, but there is still a lot to do to make them viable
Case in point my almost fully crewed reclaimer with org mates was able to kill an F8 at a wake of disaster mission. Coodination and piloting skill won the day for us.
I would have liked to see it reversed- AvengerOne in the Lightning, an see if the Fury could beat him.
Your discord messages and joins in the background had me checking my own server like crazy lmao
I'm sorry 😆
" To say the F8 is pay to win ship. Is simply not true." Agreed
And I wanted to use the 20$ fury to prove it
@@Avenger__OneIt was 50 usd but we get it lol but honestly no surprises here. Though the complaints Ive heard is when it’s being used to combat larger ships especially the connie and corsair and you didn’t really address that.
@@Stafernisy turrets and snubs are their friend's. If my poor old reclaimer can manage a kill vs a F8 so can they.
I’ve been saying it all along. Thanks for posting this. Its larger profile and slower turn rate makes it vulnerable to agile fighters. It’s well balanced I think.
Great to know after being the first to take 3 F8C lightnings out with my Fury in one skirmish over Brios, and many more in later play. Now A1 is covering the slap down the Fury can deal. Really glad this was covered, humbling the F8 has been my favorite part of the ship’s release. Good video!
As you demonstrated at 11:35 the F8 pilot can just blow through and continue flying away until his shields are completely back up. Do that enough times and the Fury pilot will eventually make a mistake and die. It doesn't fit the "honorable duel" style that most PvPers use, but it seems like a huge advantage for F8 pilots willing to exploit that advantage. As long as the F8 pilot is patient and cautious enough to disengage whenever his shields are low, it should win an equal skill 1v1 almost every time. I think the big reason your opponents didn't just run whenever their shields were low here is because of the social pressure, but against someone who is actually playing to win at any cost I think the F8's racer top speed is a problem. Of course, the rest of the stats are totally normal for a heavy fighter, but I still think it should be brought down to something a little closer to standard fighter speeds.
What would be wicked is if, once the flight model is settled, CIG got you and a few other S-Tier PvPers to help advise them in developing training scenarios in AC (a la the training stuff in Elite Dangerous) to really get these kinds of skills into a tutorial. I think CIG would do well to leverage its professional community in making the game better AT LAUNCH, because they can on account of how much flying you guys have gotten in during development.
Would also love to see expert AI enemies based on the behaviour and flight styles of the pro pilots like Soul Calibre did back in the day (to mixed success).
I recall a few games did try things like that, and they always suffered for it. It turns out balancing around the top 1% doesn't quite translate right for the remaining 99%, and things the pros thought were in a perfect spot are unusable for everyone else.
@@auqanova Yeah I agree. Wouldn't say balance the game around the 1% but let the 1% contribute to tutorials and such... Like if dash canceling was built into the advanced tutorials in Smash Brothers
Excellent combat analysis. Anyone can fly the F8C and come away with the conclusion that it's OP.
To truly understand the craft is to properly assess its shortcomings and discern where it stands in the food chain.
My point exactly
Now that you made this video, CIG is definitely not going to nerf it.
Seeing your eye tracking was actually really helpful from a learning standpoint. It really helped me to figure out what you were thinking and doing and highlighted the reasons why. It would be nice if you kept it on there.
Loved your chat with xeno and 🍅... dude.... was dying to see this and I gotta say; "Lemme ask you this." And Xeno's answer should now be; "hmmm. Where do I sign up?" Lol
No bust!!! Just love the content and proof in the pudding!🎉
How does the F8 compare in a group setting like 2 F8s vs 2 Gladiuses or Sabers or even 2v3 and up?
I’m specifically not wanting it against the hornets right now since they have a bugged buff now that would influence disengagement which is so strong right now.
11:11 your guns not loading, is this a bug or a result of taking a small amount of damage to the weapons systems? One is loading fine, but three are struggling.
Edit: 11:40 (ish) looks like the bug resolved itself at some point.
what makes the hornet better in team fights?
Running a Tobii setup had added so much to my gameplay experience. Especially on a smaller(ish) screen
I bought the Tobii last week on Amazon Prime day. I configured it to a point that feels pretty natural for me but it still feels pretty stuttery compared to using a mouse to pan your camera. You get used to it but I don't think it's updating my head position at nearly the speed I want.
I've been trying to mix a little eye tacking in (like 96% on head tracking scale). I feel like that tiny bit of eye tracking paired with a fairly large deadzone and not very high sensitivity on the head gives me the illusion of smoothing things out but I don't know if it's something I'll settle on in the long run when I get more used to aiming my ship at the same time as my head.
I forget which, but there is a setting to control the smoothness.
Nice Video. Thank you for taking the time! I Love the F8 and I really hope it doesn't get jumped int he alley with Nerf Bats like my poor Ares did back in the day. But now you have me wondering... I get that we are trying to simulate what would happen if a Fury set upon the most likely configuration of an F8. But I'd be curious to see if you could still clap an F8 in a Fury if they went full Fly swatter mode and put all ballistics to tear those thrusters off even through the shield. :D
I picked up my TOBII 5, it's really crazy helpful. Takes some getting used to and can be disorienting at first, but while flying it's great. you can adjust the sensitivity to tweak it just right
"Muri" Fury lol - good video man, this is perfect.
Tobii eye targeting and head tracking, in missile operator mode is just sick.
I can look to my side whilst turning and still maintain a missile lock on my opponent.
Even in fps it's usefulness is pretty good although it does take getting used too but when you get it down your situational awareness skyrockets.
A1, I remember that you said that the fury had some issues in its debut. Are those issues fixed?
Yes
don't think people understand what "Overpowered" really means, just like people don't understand what a "Nerf" really is. The F8C has something that zero other ships can possibly have in the game, something that should not be possible. Something that is there as an artefact from how old the ship really is. It's the Size 2 bubble shield.
That is all anyone is asking for. Its not a nerf. They aren't making the ship weaker. They are brining it into standard by balancing a bug.
Balancing an unintentional bug is not a Nerf.
I'm not getting into an argument here but I don't think that very specific point is why people are calling it OP. People just mistakenly think it's outrageously good when it's just good. I'm not even sure your example is accurate as the last word I heard on that was a dev saying that it is in a front and back orientation as intended. If that is in fact bugged then for sure it needs to be fixed just like the fact that people are attaching turrets to some of the hard points and giving it 10 weapons. That's obviously a bug and people shouldn't abuse it before it's fixed. But I wouldn't call these bugs a situation worthy of using the terms overpowered or nerfed.
@@Cjorss not arguing. It's not OP. Its bugged due to being a ship introduced in 2016 with issues from 2016, back when we had bubble shields on all size 2's.
You can see the bubble shield in this video, so it is very apparent that it does not have front and back shields as intended.
The turrets were another bug that has already been corrected.
We agree its not OP, it was never intended to be "OP". Anvil simply marketed it as a space superiority fighter, and in its initial presentation it was marketed as "the best." Which players assumed meant it was defacto the best ship in the game. When it was a sales tactic. Ford has never sold a truck saying "it's properly balanced in the current truck META."
I just think the community over reacted.
So here's my question. Why should the F8C and the Ares have the same shield set up?
Btw why is the "Distortion + Laser" meta? How is it compared to a full laser repeater setup?
I think the F8 is meta right now in dogfight, but that doesn't mean it can't be defeated. A truly skilled pilot in a-say Gladius or Arrow- will smoke the F8, will just dance around and shoot it to pieces. Mind you it is gonna take a while and one mistake you're toast.
This for me is the best thing in SC, winning or losing a fight doesn't solely depend on the ship one flies, but to a large extent the skill gap between the parties. Having said that I love the F8 and how it flies, in the right hands it is damn near Invincible.
It's got a place but it's not 'THE' META
It can disengage too easily. I agree skill is important, but that same large gap is the whole reason they are making master modes to slow down the fight. A slight decrease in speed and split shield fronts is warranted.
So basically you are telling us that F8C can be smoked out by an even skilled pilot that doesn't make mistakes in a meta fighter but at the same time the f8c is the new meta? I don't see any logic here, reversing your statement it's obvious that every pilot on a light fighter that doesn't make mistakes on his own can destroy the F8C and that's the definition of winning matchup. You can't define as "meta" a ship that has a losing matchup against the actual meta...
PS: Of course f8c is not trash either, it has his place in the actual game and is a valid ship. But by far is not "near invicible".
@@LordAzurenThe Furry/snubs dont have a QT drive so you dont really run into them running missions. The ships you do the F8C is hard to beat.
@@mikevachon8752 any light fighter can easily dance around the f8..pilot skill is the still the king here. Mediums would be a very hard matchup and some heavies but pilot skill a warden can easily shred an f8 but an f8 can also take on a warden fairly easily as well depending on pilot skill.
Yeah, I don't really get why people think the F8 is OP. I think if I was dueling myself in my F8C and my Blade, my Blade would probably win.
Cool, but THey should ALSO switch ships as well Avenger 1 should have switched to the F8
We had a few fights with a small group of Furys, we did hold Benny Hedge with our Furys against the incoming players that wanted the Platinum ticket, now we are okay, not the best pro's but have some that fight really good, some beginners and amateur fighters like me. Now due to the event, most of the enemies were F8s and we did hunt those F8s pretty successful for a time.
Thank you for this very interresting video! If you could make a video about your current pvp settings later, I would appreciate it!
superb work in the fury. Just like the damn gnats always flying around my BBQ. Just cant swat them away, too small and nimble. Arrow is also nimble, but I would bet it would be harder to survive in against the F8.
So I'm curious about what happens the other way, fully crewed redeemer / A2 with the F8
In the current game? The 'deemer/A2 would be absolutely dominated.
The speed is still way too high, and turrets are still in a poor place because of it.
Been able to kill a F8 with a mostly crewed Reclaimer Comes down to the pilot as well as the ship@@wafflesinsanity
@@wafflesinsanity Not sure about that, which is why it'd be a good experiment. I mean yeah the crew would have to be competent gunners and the pilot would need to make sure to position properly for maximum fire arcs, imagine 6 S5s on the bottom of the A2 that can out distance the F8s size 3s over 1.3km (according to erkul) The pilot would need to bring his roll game. I haven't flown my A2 or deemer in months so not sure the mag capacity of those guns but I remember it being pretty impressive.
@@andyrudeseal6347 the mag capacity is amazing on most ships, its the rate at which turrets are able to follow a target.. with the current speeds in AC, turrets are 90% of the time "following" instead of leading.
The difference between a good pilot and an average pilot is knowing the speed at which turrets can turn. Which is a limiting factor in the current flight model
Wouldnbe very easy to dodge those shots at longer distances tho as the shots speed is usually 700 or 1400 meters per second
I'm sort of forced to use Tobii if I want any kind of headtracking, as I don't use headphones, and thus, can't use the TrackIR headphone clip.
FYI those faceware settings dont effect the Tobii., besides that Im happy to see my setting are almost identical to yours! Except I keep my FPS settings identical to my flight controls so I dont have to readjust every time. Just joined your DC hope to train soon! Now add a buttkicker to your seat and you can feel when you take damage
A question, when the F8 manages to get some distance, why not go decouple mode and fly backwards to keep distance and guns on the Fury?
We are both in decoupled, but when he makes an extension I'm faster because I have more Gs so I can stay with him for a time. Eventually he will disengage but if he wants to kill me, he has to stay within gun range long enough to do damage before I strip his sheilds and do damage to him
that was some top gun space flying!
I think the f8c is in pretty good spot as the air superiority fighter its advertised, let's hope its not nerfed into the ground.
if it needs some tuning instead of the usual handling nerf, maybe they can adjust the guns on the wing.
a size smaller, or drop 1. worst case drop a shield so the time you can't make mistakes in the light fighter is a bit shorter.
How is MM going to change this dynamic though. Seems like almost all of the fight was above SCM?
I think it would be interesting to see how this plays out as a 3v3. Just get this hunch that as soon as the lightnings are in a flight you would need to outnumber them as the furry pilots to concistantly win the matchup.
It's on the list, and will be on the channel soon😊
I'm interested to see many mix-ups as soon as you add ships to the fight you add communication and coordination to the equation. The results become harder to get to.
@@Avenger__One Awesome. I look forward to it. 👌
so is this saying that f8 lighting will always be beat by smaller light/snub fighters because of turning/hit boxes? I feel like this is just the same old jousting of Freelancer days, sadly, at least in some ways it boils down to old school FPS mechanics. Smaller frames (IE female avatars) being harder to hit etc
A methodological as well as argument point: this video lacks reverse pilot situation with you in the F8, and your squad mates in the Fury. At least on one round.
Otherwise very convincing, as well as your discussion with Xerostate and Space. Again it would have been good to know if the same scenario repeats when your squadron is in the F8 and the opposed one in the Hornets.
This is the first time I've heard about this game, this is the best gaming content I've seen. Planning on buying pc and flight sticks just for this game
Why don’t we see Avenger1 flying the F8C? Is it because no one from his org can kill him while he is in an F8C? If this was a good test you would have switched sides to see if avenger can beat a fury while he’s in an F8C.
Ohh man that round 3 was intense. Did not expect you to pull off a kill with a damaged Fury
Reckon your guns were disabled by distortion shots?
I love the Fury, was underwhelmed by the F8C, love my Tobii 5, but really love my new Quest 3 VR headset in MSFS in VR, it is amazing. I cannot wait until we have native VR in SC, it will be a brand new experience. Thank you for the video.
Just out of curiosity which hornets were used in the f8's vs hornets group battle?
Standard F7 laser meta hornets, NOT!!! F7A upgrade F7Cs
The "Muri Fury" is awesome lol
Okay but why doesn't the F8 run a half-gimbal setup against snub fighters if turnrate is its main problem?
Manual gimbal (non-computer driven) allows you to aim within a whole 60° front cone using your curser (tip of the V-Joy) instead of the nose.
It also allows for tighter convergence so you don't miss half your shots 'cuz your guns are too far apart.
I looked at the specs of the F8 on Erkul several days ago. I know specs are just a starting point. The F8C's advantages are high speed, somewhat high roll speed, high damage output, two size 2 shields and relatively good hull durability. It is the second most maneuverable heavy fighter, beaten by the Scorpius in pitch and yaw, but not roll. Every medium, light and snub fighter is more maneuverable, including the Avenger series (a fight against a Warlock might be interesting). I'm not going to go through all of their specs, the F8C only beats some of them in roll. It does beat most of them in speed, meaning it can withdraw from the fight and thus that is how the F8C can control the fight.
And all of that will change when Master Modes comes along. I expect the F8 already has settings for Master Modes, being as how we expect it to play a role in SQ42.
Anyway, great fights. To be honest the F8C held up better than I expected against the Fury.
Huge reason to keep my Scorpius as my heavy fighter, a friend in a turret with quad size 3 guns keeping light fighters off your back is immeasurably valuable, and if anything makes the mistake of ever being in front of you, 8 size 3 guns on a single target are a calamity.
When I want to be a solo nimble threat there's always the Talon with a nice pair of armor-shredding size 4s. When we get armor mechanics I think a lot of people will be very disappointed with all these size 2 fighter weapons becoming ineffective against medium / large targets. Right now they can chip away at hulls over time relying on attrition alone.
Great Fights! Question: did u try a duel in MasterMode?
I mean, everyone that did PvP in the Lightning should be aware of the lack of nose authority compared to all the tried and trusted duelling ships. Which is why I find it to not be SC's F22 that can actually do things that look physically impossible with thrust vectoring. It's more of a F/A-18. It does everything pretty darn alright. It's a good dogfighter. But it's far from the best. Is it worth having a Lightning in your group? Yes. Is it the end all be all? Absolutely not.
technically the 22 struggles in dog fighting compared to the f16..
@@yulfine1688 except it does not.
@@Apocryph0n. well that's just from some pilots.. Unless we actually see it we have no real clue
@@yulfine1688 Well, but we did see it already? Even turn rates and climb rates have been estimated and vastly exceed most 4th gen airframes. And it's unlikely they would even come close to stressing the airframe in an environment where cameras are pointed at them.
My favorite quote of a buddy coming back from the states was: "The thing looks stupid in flight. It's like they have a switch somewhere in there, that shuts physics off". That came from a Typhoon jockey. An airframe that can pull levels of AoA in a one circle that already looks like it's straight out of a cartoon.
The Avenger Juan seal of approval :D
it's unfightable unless you're in a fury ?
I think there are a number of flaws in the logic here. Firstly, framing it around highly skilled pilots. That's 5% of the game. For the other 95% of players, the reality is that they'll get smashed when facing an F8 as it's configured at present. That's going to be the reality for most people playing SC who are not living in AC. Additionally, these fights to the death are not representative of PU engagements because the moment an F8 pilot sense he or she is facing someone with better skill, they can simply extend away and take advantage of their 1337 top speed. So it may be difficult for an F8 to win some 1v1s, but the pilot can just walk away. Plus, when it's not a 1v1 and part of a squad where targets are focused, all this ship is going to do is kick in some heads. We can exclude the 'yeah but a team of Hornets' anecdote from this because everyone knows that boost on the Hornet is bugged AF at the moment.
I think the F8 needs one modifier though - and that's to have the shields work like every other ship with an S2 shield, split front and back (already planned).
This is a philosophy on how they balance and I agree with you, but also it's true that ultimately it's not as OP even tho like I say in the video it's only the top % that can exploit that weakness
NIce one again A1. I think a lot of ppl get into SC without knowing how high the skill celling is.... one thing that frustrate me in your vids lately when you test out ships like that : I really wish you swaps ships. you on the fury vs F8 is nice but I would have loved to see the reversed match vs the same pilots : you in the F8 and them in the fury to get a broader view of this situations.
Where do you find these servers where their nose is actually pointed where it looks like it's pointed. Is this the PTU?
So one of the best pilots in the game taking on ~good pilots. I'd like to see this match, but the other way around with the ships switched.
Grand Phenom is an ace pilot in Avenger Squadron. This means he has the skills needed to beat A1 in a 1v1. He’s solid. What you’re seeing is the Fury just countering the F8C. You can tell he’s good because A1 couldn’t stop his extend even though he knew that’s what he was going for. Most pilots would not be able to hit A1 in this match.
fantastic content as always. Thank you for your time and effort!
How do we enter the sweepstakes?
I've gone to the Tobii page and the discount is there but can't find any sweepstakes to enter
great vid! I am experiencing the same things in AC that you showcase here.
Mind you in atmos its a different ballgame imho as especially against the poor gladius which flies like a drunk duck atm.
It would be great if you could make a vid on atmos fight with the F8 and hear your conclusions about that
So this is with master modes on?
Also, on that topic - I don't understand the following...
In space there is no drag. So if you shoot your engines you will accelerate. The more your engines are on the MORE you should accelerate... So there shouldn't be any limit on how fast you can go, only how fast you can reach those speeds via acceleration.
Right?
Also how does de-coupled mode works in Star Citizen now after the new master modes?
Great stuff.....gonna be a few hurt feel feels out there.
How does an aspiring pilot score some training time with AVS? I’ve watched all your core skills videoes but training against the AI isn’t viable and random PVP does not lend well to a controlled learning environment…I want that 1% per day!! Love your stuff AV1 ❤❤
I wonder that too when I watch these videos, pve dogfights are terrible practice.
It's kind of an extreme showing heavy fighter vs a snub fighter - but what does this look like with a less extreme comparison like a Hornet or a Gladius vs the Lightning?
I think the issue is thinking of the F8 from an in-verse perspective vs thinking of it from an outside-the-game perspective. In-game, it is clearly meant to be a superior ship; it is the newest, most powerful, space superiority fighter; it is an end-game fighter for SQ42. However, from the perspective of Star Citizen (the game itself), the game has to be balanced. If any ship is allowed to stay the meta, that ship will soon be the only one anyone but beginners use. Remember meta doesn't mean "win every fight", it only means "gives everyone the best chance of winning a fight". Once everyone uses the meta ship, everyone is equally powerful again. However, though everyone is roughly equal again, we are all using the same ship now; all variation is gone. Because of this, CIG (so far) work hard to keep the game balanced. They do this primarily by looking at the metrics. Since all communication between game clients is done through the servers, they know *exactly* what happens at all times. Every single hit is registered in the servers; it has to, so servers can distribute the event to all players that should see it. This means that they have perfect transparency on how every ship performs in practice, bullet for bullet. When their metrics over thousands of fights tell them that a ship is winning a higher than expected proportion of fights, they will re-balance. They have to; they aren't going to sacrifice the game. It isn't a matter what we say or how we argue, it is in the metrics. So the only reason I am arguing here is to keep people aware of what CIG are forced to do; what they have always done so far. Avenger might be right and the ship isn't meta; in that case nothing will happen. However if CIG metrics do go over whatever thresholds they use, do not get upset when the balance changes. It has to be done to keep the game playable.
Lmao. "Gf brother " absolutely smokes and destroys him. Other guy: I'm straight up not having a good time
How many percent of SC pilots can do this?
I picked up a Tobii years ago and then won one from Moist Noodle, I sent the one I won to my buddy and we've been enjoying them together
I like the idea of the Tobi eye tracker, especially the new one is a 2-in-1 with both head-tracking and eye-tracking, but it only officially supports up to 27" monitors after which the accuracy degrades pretty quickly.
IR head-trackers are still the way to go for me which works out considering they are a third the price.
I have a 49" ultra wide and haven't noticed a difference from when i had the 27"
@@stratvids really? where do you have the tracker? Cause I have a 49 also, but I can't quite seem to find a usable spot for the tracker.. granted it has been over a year since I tried (got last year on impulse buy, now its on the shelf)
My simpit has a 43" 16:9 and yeah I have to get close for it to be happy.
I'm playing on an 85-in TV. It works fine.
55" tv on my desk, works fine for me
I really hop cig dont cave to all the noise about how op it it... You're right it isnt op it can be beaten
It is also lore wise supposed to be the best multirole fighter in the game. If it isn't a top teir fighter (not op but top teir) then this ship has no place in the game.
I'm here for the new fury meta
Don’t know if the build would be any good in high end pvp however I’ve found a lot of success just replacing the cannons with gatlings for the f8c. This allows the distributors to focus on the four main repeaters (over 60 shots before running out) while the gats themselves are used sparingly in very short bursts. I tend to do a little spray here and there once target shields go down and they seem to make a nasty difference and last a good little while when used that way.
It seems counter-intuitive to me that the Hornet would be a stronger for team fights - considering the speed, acceleration, and firepower of the Lightning I would expect it to do a better job of splitting and focusing down opposing ships. What am I missing?
I wanna see you in the f8 against your squad in fury
But how does the F8 stack up to medium and heavy fighters? If it crushes them then ya know it could be something.
Been taking a break from SC and content, coming back to so much decent content
well fought to all pilots! o7
What do you think about if they made boosting take from your capacitors and made guns not recharge while boosting
in your professional opinion how is the F8C Lightning for defending other ships? i'm looking for a single seat ship(or all guns controlled by the pilot) that i can use to defend smaller hauler ships like the freelancer or raft ships, if the F8C doesn't fit that role what ships would you reccomend? i prefer to use full gimbals as my hand eye coordination isnot up to speedenugh to be able to use fixed weapons.
My organization is looking to use it as a counterpiracy and escort craft. As an escort craft it does fairly well largely due to the range allowing it to keep up with most of the industrial ships we use. It's also has the speed to be able to rapidly intercept anything approaching it and the DPS and missiles to at least buy time for the industrial ship to escape.
how's the glaive vs the f8
F8 wins
@@Avenger__One can't wait for the vanduul ships rework, would be interesting if they let us swap out the stock weapons
This actually made me want to plug in the Tobii I won last year. Nice vid
Pfffffft I'm jelly bro I can't afford tobii so I just suffer with a bad Webcam and the free faceware that comes in the game.
These settings are great. Out of the box settings could have your display jerking all over the place and become very disorienting to look at. However, there are 3 settings that I would change from A1's:
Head Tracking - General Toggle - Disable During mobiGlas = Yes
Head Tracking - General - Toggle - Disable During Interaction Mode = Yes
Head Tracking - General - External View - Disabled In Inventory = Yes
Turning these settings off prevents the screen from moving all over the place when you are trying to use the mobiGlas or interact with buttons in the cockpit. Furthermore, none of these settings are saved in your mappings file. They are in the ..\Client\0\Profiles\default\attributes.xml so if you want to back them up or have trouble using the mouse to adjust any of the number values, you can modify them in notepad and backup this file in a safe place.
Awesome fights man.
In the hands of a Mediocre pilot with a proper loadout the F8C is really dangerous in my opinion and makes up for a lot of lacking piloting skills with the strong shields and pure DPS. But with equal skilled pilots it definitely has serious competitors and is not the non plus ultra. When the golden ticket hype was up, a buddy of mine and I did some roaming around Brios in my Scorpius with all stock setup. I am just a casual pilot with keyboard and mouse and we killed 3 solo F8C in a row during 1on1 dogfights while I already ran out of missiles after the second. Only in the end when we faced 2x F8C and a F7C at the same time with one already red wing, we got shot down. I focused too much on one F8C that we got into the red already and the other 2 killed us.
Overall a Scorpius with a gunner can easily make up for the lower shields and turn rates against a F8C as long as the pilot is able to keep the turret aligned without exposing a full top profile.
Thanks for this. It shows that skill supersedes equipment in spite of the equipment’s advantages. Of note is how hard you had to work and think through the fight. Not easy but possible. “Pay to win my ass”…more like “practice to win” imo.
i think the real problem is going to be in groups.. this fight in 2 lightnings vs anything else.. id like to see
I knew that it would be a monster for pve solo players but in high skilled dogfights the light fighters would rain supreme. I believe that this ship would be better to mix in with other ships such as the hornet and other light fighters as a team battle but 1v1 against lights and even hornets flown by people who know what they are doing the lighting will lose most of the time
I had track IR for awhile, seems like everyone abandoned it for Tobi, may have to try it sometime once SC is further along