Petrol vs Diesel / Automatic vs Manual / Overland debate (E20)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- (Viewer Questions part 1) Paul gets stuck into one of the biggest debates in the Overlanding and Offroad industry. Should you choose a petrol or diesel 4x4 truck for overland travel? He also delves in the hot Auto vs Manual conversation, to help you make a decision on your next vehicle.
Only on episode 20 of Responsible Overlanding, Presented by Gregory Simpson.
Very enjoyable!
Thanks!
I specially like the last sentence: "I you can drive around something ..."
I see a lot of UA-cam channels where the main reason with a overland vehicle seems to be to get really bogged or hanged up on some rocks just to be pulled out ... I like more the style of Paul and Andrew. Not the ones where the hardest tracks are the goal.
They've got a different vibe.
I like a mix of both with two purpose built vehicles.
@@Agent.K. I think people need to differentiate between 4WD's and ATV's. 4WD's aren't a go everywhere vehicle and are more susceptible to damage than an ATV. Trying to "purpose build" a 4WD vehicle to do the work of an ATV has it's short comings. But of course, some people don't mind breaking axles, uni joints and anything else that fails, they make a story more dramatic as sometimes drama is what sells, but seldom welcomed in the real world. The only purpose built ATV that i'm aware of that is available for civilian use is the "Sherp", and even that has it's short comings, I'd best describe it as the lazy infantry mans shopping cart, only really good for going out for milk and cigarettes, and nothing much else, but there a lot of fun.
one is a tourer, one is an offroader - its a different approach.
@@magicalvortex "I'd best describe it as the lazy infantry mans shopping cart" chirp of the week. Sherp is on another level.
Just my opinion on the petrol Vs diesel. Diesels are simpler, and easier to fix, there are less components involved which results in fewer points of failure. It's also safer to transport diesel than petrol. Additionally, in general diesels will do more MPG. Finally, low end torque, diesels provide more low end torque compared to petrol, the only way a petrol can match this is if they are geared lower than a diesel to match them.
Thanks, good points.
You are ignoring a glaring important detail. What you say may be true for an old used diesel, but it is not the case with any new diesel, at least those sold in the EU, and North America that require strict pollution control.
Why wouldn't I take a Petrol vehicle? After listening to ASPW lamenting over the fuel consumption of his 100 Series Land Cruiser, I got a little put off Petrol. I've had a change of heart though.
Ja, nice to get a fresh perspective.
@@Africasideways It sure is! 😀
Would love to see a tour of Paul’s 80 series
Good idea, me too.
Absolutely adapt to what you say as the amount of information is overwhelming out there. Thank you.
Thanks Potshot.
thank you for detail video are great detail watching
Thank you Robert.
Auto gearbox is also good for safety because if you are injured at least you can drive it with one leg.
And also everyone even if they haven't driven a motor vehicle can drive a auto.
Good point Mr Fraser.
Great video as usual. Can I request a video going over spare parts and tools that Paul would carry on an overland expedition (perhaps going through a toolbox and talking about each tool)? I think having the correct spare parts and tools to help yourself and others while in the bush is a huge part of responsible overlanding.
Great suggestion, thanks.
Fantastic! Ive had toyotas in both diesel and petrol. One of my favorites was a troopcarrier. Petrol. Superb power, 15 litres per hundred, reliable. We tended to go diesel in the early days because they didnt have plugs/points etc so reliablility/water wading was better. I think with todays electronics the gap re reliability has narrowed with many modern common rails fussy re fuel. Current project is a 79 dual cab. Keep up these excellent videos 👍💯
Thanks for sharing
Sorry for joining late to the party. The main advantage I noticed in diesel engine is the torque.Since it produce passable torque in low gear itself my transmission won't stress much in certain situation wheres in Petrol engine I need to push the gas bit more to increase the RPM which directly stress the gear transmission and also increases wear and tear, thatswhy Diesel engines run longer than Petrol and the resale value too holds higher for Diesel engines. I heard with modern technology in place the emission for Diesel looks similar to Petrol in certain cases. For manufactures building Petrol engines are cost effective and less man power/ resources compared to Diesel manufacturing. Finally its individual decision whether they want to go for Petrol or Diesel , both are reliable and capable to take us extreme off-roads.
well said.
So, petrol/diesel…they’re both great. Auto/manual…they’re both great?🤦♂️
Yes Rich, both have pros and cons
Hey Paul thank you guys very much for the good content. Is there a way i can get into contact with you? I have some questions. I recently bought a prado 4 l v6 and i am based in cape town and would like to stop off at your shop if possible. Thanks again.
Thanks, drop Paul a line, his details are on his website.
@@Africasideways thanks👍🏼🙂
Great info, very well explained and helpful! Thanks!✌️
Glad it was helpful!
Paul show me how to install a new rubber or tire on a rim alone night time in the bush thanks Bob Laos the best overland contry in the world.
easy
Great video, great information. Thank you. Just a comment of constructive criticism: for improving future videos, that room echos a lot, try a room with better sound absorbing walls
Thanks for the tips. I've been overdoing the Audio Gain which is mucking things up.
It looks like Andrew's old lorry in the cover photograph!
click bait :)
Thank you Paul.Great information
Glad you enjoyed it
I have owned a petrol/automatic LC for the last 21 years now, 600K, the motor has never been apart and the last auto lasted 340K, no problems, yes it uses fuel, but that has basically been the only cost apart from servicing which I do very regular, the other costs have been things like starter motors radiator and the like, been all over the place in Oz no problems, and its not for sale, still love the thing.
Thanks for the feedback, 600k, she's barely run in, good for a million at this rate. Is that an 80 series?
@@Africasideways no it's good old '86 FJ62 what we call SAHARA. (High roof) with all the mod cons like seats and stuff :). Slow, but as reliable as john Wayne's boots.
@@paulboon1100 Sounds like a beauty.
Hello there. Have you or anyone you know ever put a turbo on a 1fz-fe petrol? I'm in Australia and have an immaculate 105 series auto petrol with only 225,000ks on it, and am looking into doing a turbo Install on it, mainly for better towing performance. There are some workshops her in Australia that do it, but was wondering your thoughts/ experience with putting a turbo on the 4.5 petrol. Thanks for your time, cheers
Andrew White did it some years ago to the 4.5 petrol, its on his channel. It did not improve fuel consumption, but he did get more overtaking power. So if that's what you're after, get it done by a pro.
Playing catch-up here a few weeks late. What’s your talk on gas versus diesel. I’m very surprised you didn’t talk about the elephant in the room concerning diesel. With all the new emissions crap that are on them. DPF filters recirculation and now the blue death. It makes it extremely hard to drive the diesels outside of the city of any major country. As soon as you get out of South Africa and into the neighboring countries the quality the diesel is so poor that the electronics and the new diesel engine shut the engine down. I have heard horror stories of people bringing vehicles from Australia to South Africa to go on safari and having to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars to get them towed back to South Africa and have all the omissions pulled off of them said they will run. It’s the same way here in the United States. You can’t take any of our diesel engines south of New Mexico or further south they won’t burn the fuel. They just flat shut down. Then you’re spending thousands of dollars to get rid of all the recirculation crap and we program the computers and then as soon as you try to bring them back into the states they won’t need omissions and you have to spend it all again to re-license them the next year. Additionally the maintenance on the diesels is out rages with the cost these days of filters oil changes and etc. A new Chevrolet or GMC in United States if you meet the requirements for the first year maintenance it’s $1000 to do a full fluid and filter change on that diesel engine. Which is absolutely insane. The biggest mistake the Toyota is about to make my understanding along with Lexus. Is there getting rid of all their V eights and going to TwinTurbo six engines. I can guarantee you you do not want those outside the city. Ford motor company went to the TwinTurbo six is here in United States a few years ago and they are absolute junk. They have to have a minimum of 91 octane fuel has me extremely clean fuel and they do not like to run. Constant check engine lights constant oxygen sensors going out constant mechanical problems. And Toyota and Lexus is about to experience the same problem as they start showing up in South Africa you try to take the north into the Remote countries you’re going to see that the bad fuel that you buy is going to shut those vehicles down and it’s gonna be extremely Expensive to try to get them to run
Thanks for the comment David, 'War and Peace' has nothing on that :)
Can you please review the new defender 2020
We'll be touching on that in an upcoming episode. Cheers/
So much information. The fact is that you can see that he is so passionate about his work! Just love it. Time for a book?!
Indeed...
Petrol / deisel
Location location location
Eastern Europe example former soviet states, climate is not great for deisel, availability of petrol stations are common deisel not so!!
Good point Belf, must be great overlanding in Siberia.
@@Africasideways Siberia not something I would consider, that's where u guys fit in, you only need to past romainia heading east and you start to hit deisel issues
Diesel all the way Manuel under 65 after automatic
65mph
No 65 years old
@@bobbeebobbee6998 Proper old 40 series.
In my opinion, in the petrol engine automatic transmission it's better because the torque it's on high rpm. In the diesel engine the manual transmission it's the best option to be able to break with gearshift
offroad the auto wins on both I reckon, except on steep downhills.
@@Africasideways wins what? in sellings or in an objective comparative on all single kind of terrains, such of high mountain, mud, snow, etcetera? I ask because I don't know.
I think that the key is analyse your own needs. In high mountain it's great advantage have a turbo engine, because of the low density of the air, and the turbo diesel engine give you the ability to keep your brakes cold when go down.
Fair point, pros and cons either way.
fantastic video ...thanx guys .... need some advice please ... I have a double cab in mind Ranger / Isuzu and Toyota .... only need diff lock / not going into africa . I have always been a petrol guy ... are there any new petrol options coming to SA . Thanx
Hi Anton, thanks for the kind words. Slim picking on the petrol side in South Africa for bakkies. Isuzu has a great diesel - no petrol, and the Ranger is all diesel as well. I'd go for the hilux 4l V6 if you like petrol. Very strong engine.
@@Africasideways ... jip ..... any thoughts on the hilux 2,7 ??
Reliable engine, but fuel economy is not great, so might as well get the V6 if you can.
@@Africasideways Thanx for this , appreciate . Love that hilux 4.0 ....does it only come in 4x4 or can I order a 4×2 with axle differential lock
If you were to choose one of the current Toyota USA offerings for touring around North America with a family of 4, which vehicle would you choose and why?
I reckon with 4 people you'll need a pickup to have enough storage space. So new trucks, it would be between the Tacoma and the Ram 2500 in my opinion. The Ram has the powerful Cummins 6.7 Turbo Diesel which is great for overlanding. The quality of the rest of the truck is likely not as reliable as the Tacoma. The downside of the Tacoma is fuel economy and range, so you'd need to fit an aux fuel tank, which is not a big deal. Can't go wrong with either. Pity the Toyota does not come out in the D4d diesel. If I had to choose, I'd go for the Tacoma TRD offroad, and put a canopy on the tray.
Africa Sideways thanks for the reply!
@@woolengrappler My pleasure.
Africa Sideways
Toyota Tundra might be better for 4 people? It’s between the Tacoma and Ram.
Best yet!
Thanks Danny.
Amazing that the most knowledgeable is not the ones who are religious about certain things
Ja, Paul never brand bashes.
I'm looking at 2004 Toyota Hilux SR5 Auto 6 cylinder petrol with 150k kms on it in pretty good condition. Would you consider it a good buy or should I pass on it?
Sounds spot, good kms, and reliable vehicle. With fsh and no accidents its a no brainer. Any pics handy?
This is not unlike ASPW interviewing Paul Marsh but without the smalltalk in between. I like it better. My Brain is like Paul’s (the Engineering bit of it)
Indeed.
The right answers to the questions is. Does he drive petrol or diesel? Does he use automatic or manual? I think your guess is as good as mine
hehe, last time I saw Paul, he had two diesels. Prado 90 and an 80 auto. But does a lot of the petrol ones for clients....
Hi , sir u told 24 valve diesel broad head engine with petrol 80 series gear box , my question is auto is good or manual gear which is better. Thank you
Hi, they both have pros and cons. The manual is usually better on fuel consumption, but auto is often better for driving on soft sand for example. The clutch on some of the old trucks can be heavy too. Try them both.
@@Africasideways hi sir tell me did u try diesel 1 ftv engine in 80 series land cruiser and can it be installed in 80 series
They would fit in alright but the vehicle will be underpowered.
Great ur a man with wisdom passion n experience
Much wisdom from Paul.
You need a new stool!
or just some wd40
"does it get any better than an 80 series?"......yes it does, a 105
Perhaps, but the 80 has character.
@@Africasideways That's true, it's a bit bland. Keep up the good work, I like your videos!
thanks Rina.
You missed some very important details. It was easy to see that you support and find that a diesel vehicle is the 1st choice for an overland vehicle but you miss some important points. 1. maybe in South Africa they sell new diesels without the same emissions controls as elsewhere in the world, but in the EU, North America, any diesel vehicle 2007 and newer requires Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel. Is that availble in the remote places of Africa? no. 2. new diesel vehicles sold in the EU etc. require the use of a second different fluid. DEF (diesel Exhuast Fluid) on top of requiring ULSD. The places you can take a new diesel vehicle becomes extremely limited.
Fair enough, but we're talking about Africa, Europe have too many regulations.