Manual guy here. I feel more in control of my rig with a manual while off road. I think having the right set up makes a big difference too ,as in tires,gears,lockers,lift.
My manual transmission is the way to go. I've had both manual and automatic transmission 4x4s and still prefer my manual, and I do go wheeling with it. I like the feel of driving the vehicle, not just pointing it in one direction and letting it control the forward/backward momentum. Also its a millennial anti theft device
it takes more talent and skill to properly work a manual transmission. Everyone wants to be dedicated to what a Jeep was all about. They never had hill control or descent control, or anti lock brakes, or a touch screen, power windows, heated seats/steering wheel or A/C, etc. etc. Look at the interior of an '80's Jeep like a CJ5. Now people are getting automatic transmissions with selec-speed where the Jeep does the crawling for them. It's rather pointless because your not getting the gratification knowing that you have the ability to do it yourself, instead of the machine doing it for you. Take control over the machine. Don't let the machine do it for you. It's man vs. machine. Take control
Bought my first Jeep about 3 months ago. Went with manual and have no regrets. There's an additional learning curve needing to press 3 pedals with only two feet, but have to think its making me a better driver in the long run. You are so right about the low torque crawling ability of the manual transmission.
I'm the manual transmission guy. I, learn driving in a manual transmission and still prefer manaul transmission, cause I'm quite good at it now. I've first learned driving at the age of 14 (MT), now I'm 35 and still driving (MT). In the future, I, might change, but for now I'll stick to a stick trans😃
Bsd thing about a manual on trails. Is you always seem to need to go too fast for 1st but yet to slow for 2nd gear. And when your on a really bumpy rocky slow trail. You have to ride the clutch too much. Starting and stopping all the time.
Blond vs Redhead........ Ford vs Chevy......... Manual vs Auto....... It's about whatever turns you on! Wel,l except Chevy's, cuz we all know they are crap, LOL.....
people are getting lazy. A bicycle with an electric motor on it? The new automatic transmissions suck. They downshift too easily. And I did have a manual valve body in a 1970 Roadrunner that I built for top end. Just ordered a 2022 Wrangler with a manual transmission so I can choose which gear and know for sure which gear I will be in. If a Wrangler is supposed to be fun, then don't let the manufacturer take that away from you. My Roadrunner didn't have electric windows, power locks, bluetooth, XM radio, heated seats, heated steering wheel, anti lock brakes. and a bunch of other crap. How much fun could that be. That was over half a century ago. Pretty soon you won't be able to get a manual transmission, and automotive heritage will be down the toilet. Automatic transmissions are great for drag racing, but manual transmissions are just more fun, because you get the satisfaction of knowing you are making things happen, not a computer controlled fluid coupling. Fortunately in the old three speed transmissions the shifting was done by vacuum pressure and hydraulics. 52 years later and it's refreshing to know you can go Old School and not rely on electronics, or hydraulics, or engine vacuum. When i'm an old man, who thinks things are too difficult, i'll get an automatic transmission again.
Well iv had manual and drive all kinds of manual trucks and tractors for a living. But have a Auto Ford ranger fx4 for a daily. If i can finally get a second vehicle I would want a new bronco manual so I can finally teach the wife fully how to drive a stick 🏒 shift. She drove my old mustang 5 speed for a block 😂 lol
Off road I much prefer an automatic. On road, manual 💯. But for work since I drive a semi (and do have my manual endorsement) I'd rather drive an auto semi 100 out of 100 times
I prefer the automatic. The last standard transmission I had was on a 1994 Nissan Pathfinder. I feel more relaxed without having to worry about shifting on daily drives. Also, the Rubicon 392 has paddle shifters. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, only the 392 Rubicon has them. The paddle shifter has some of the benefits of a standard: the gear can be selected for better control and the lower gears can be selected for going down hill. Can paddle shifters be installed after buying a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon or do they have to be installed on an automatic transmission specifically designed and built for paddle shifters? One last thing. The volume was too low, and I may have missed some of what was said.
Have 4 wheeled manual jeeps all my life. Just bought a new 2021 wrangler JLU Rubicon with manual and am loving it. The guys I wheel with thought I would not make cuz on my first day with it I stalled it twice but now that I have had it a month no more stalling and I can easily go anywhere they can.
I've never driven a 4X4 auto, but I have driven pickups and SUVs with autos, manuals, and manuals with granny gears. I can say I have a preference fo manuals, but that could be in part because I learned and grew up driving manuals. Whether you handle shifting well in treacherous conditions is largely training. I ridden with people who learned manual on flat ground (city and rural), who had trouble shifting when at a steepish angle OR down (and had trouble negotiating a curve smoothly). My current ride is a 2016 Rubicon Hard Rock I bought because it was the only Rubi with 100 miles with a manual. All told, I would prefer to drive a manual, but would prefer to ride with someone driving what they understand.
Right? I have a fully built 700r4 with a manual valve body reverse shift pattern and engine braking. It’s not even a contest at that point. All pros, no cons.
Manual for sure! New truck holds the truck on a hill when starting, stumbled upon the feature a few days ago. Seems like the same vehicle is much more lively than similar automatic, to each their own!
Back in the 80's (my late teens - early 20's) I drove 2 CJ5's. Both Manual of course. Then for decades I had full size automatic pickups. Sooo boring. Now at 60 I have a manual 2021 Gladiator. I feel like a kid again. So I guess I'm saying that for me it is not about performance but nostalgia. All that said on my JT, 6 forward gears is 2 too many. With the standard diff's reverse is too fast. Nothing like trying to back into a tight parking spot at 10+ mph.
Lots of factors come in to play such as engine power, diff gearing and age of automatic. There’s a big difference in the old 4 speed autos compared to a modern 8 speed. Personally I have both but prefer the auto for hardcore rock crawling
Enjoyed the video I’ve lived the majority of my life in Ireland and the UK and Oh my vehicle survive the clutch I have never driven an automatic vehicle until I moved to Canada. Now I love driving a vehicle with a clutch it really feels like driving it’s what I grew up doing however I do have a Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro with an automatic transmission and I really do enjoy that truck I’ve been steadily turning it into an overlanding vehicle and it works really well. So I do see the advantages and disadvantages to each. I also do photography and I bought a lot of camera bags because they do different things well it’s just the same here with your vehicles there’s never going to be one perfect vehicle but does everything.
Let's say hypothetically if I had a '11 Jeep JK Sport v6 (NOT pentastar)... at an intersection, I'll stand in N, but when I get a green, I slap the stick into 1st (very bottom); rev up to 2-4k depending on need; let up on the pedal (foot off); slap the stick into 2nd gear (gearing can sync at moderate RPM without the throttle engaged): and rip roar in 2nd gear mainly because it sounds ferocious; then lift off the throttle, put it in D; and throttle down as needed (let the computer handle it from there) Again, I must stress the point that in between shifts, I completely let up on the throttle and let the RPM drop to about 7-800 RPM (the sweet spot), and then apply throttle pressure after it's in the next gear. I do not just keep the throttle down and row through the gears, so to speak. Also, for what it's worth, I only do this occasionally. I mostly just set it in D when driving and nudge it into neutral at intersections (slow to get up to speed)
They should add mpg rating for manual wranglers. My 4 door 2015 has averaged 22mpg since new and that is way better than the auto. Even our 2014 4 door with large tires and lift gets 19 with the manual.
I had a diesel Cherokee with manual, now I have a Wrangler with 5sp auto. I've done lots of teaveling with both, in the Patagonia in different types of floors (sand, mud, gravel mostly). I would choose auto for off raoding all the times!! Because all the things you've said, plus the fact that with auto you can also use it in manual if you like to use a particular gear in a given situation
I understand some of the benefits of having an automatic trans however, my 2dr Rubicon is a manual and I wouldn't trade it for anything. Well, almost anything.
I’ve owned both. Auto for climbing is better. Being able to drive with two feet (one on brake one on gas) is way safer, easier and never stall. Newer jeep as well can select gears effortlessly.
Eh, I love my manuals, used both and others but just love having a manual. Use a brake lever from a bicycle mounted to the stick and run the cable to the gas peddle when I’m off-road to let my right foot hang out on the brake and leave my left on the clutch. Easier with a carb then the new rigs but still able to rig it up but suggest disconnecting once you’re off the trail to reduce the chance of it sticking when you’re on the highway.
Modern Automatic is better especiallyfor more technical drives, allows more control as you just have to focus on steering and just starting snd stopping, but i prefer the feel of a Manual. The Auto on Beaches and Dunes may overheat but you can get coolers for them these days
regardless of wether im driving on highway in my lil sports car or on the trails with my jeep... im always gonna pick the manual even if there are a couple additionnal challenges. just makes it more interesting to me lol
I ordered a Willys sport 2 door manual last month. I’ve owned manual transmissions for 16 years. It’s my first Jeep. Im usually really fast at pressing the clutch in and catching the engine before it stalls
For serious off-road use, and I mean really tough terrain, I prefer the auto as of now, especially in very deep water crossings (like up to your headlights or higher). Reason being if you stall a manual while the exhaust is underwater, glug glug glug it goes up the pipe and makes cranking it difficult or impossible. And there’s quite a bit a resistance on the vehicle while navigating deep water/ mud, further heightening the chance of stalling out
I really enjoy driving my 6-speed manual but I have to say that autos haven gotten so reliable over the last decade or two that it's really a preference. The only other advantage of a manual that I can think of is the ability to use the rolling start should batteries run dry, which is one of the reasons I prefer a manual. Having said that, I haven't had to roll start a vehicle in 30 years. But if I every have to, I'm ready.
Fair enough! I personally like driving my manual car really when its on the weekend or just going some where for a cruise. I prefer the automatic when doing my day to day driving or just going on an extended drive!
The only dangerous thing I can think of, picking the automatic, is if you ever end up in a stiuation where the car starts to flip backwards. In such a scenario I think you would instinctly react very quickly and press the clutch pedal. But in an automatic, quickly putting it in neutral will not come as natural.
but you cannot disengage the clutch and lessen it's forward momentum, and let the clutch out again utilizing a variable torque ratio of the same gear. All without shifting. There is no clutch in a fluid coupling
@@d.s7741 it actually does have a clutch, that’s how the lock up function works. None of the behavior you described is needed, but you can use the throttle at any point to accomplish it. It sounds as if you have minimal experience wheeling an auto. . A clutch doesn’t provide a variable torque ratio. Is simply reduces the amount of torque the engine transfers to the transmission input shaft. A torque converter on the other hand does multiply torque and provide a variable torque ratio… does it so well that koenigsegg uses a torque converter as a CVT.
@@KTMcaptain - yes, a fluid coupling does multiply torque. But you cannot disengage the clutch (or flluid coupling) without shifting gears or putting the auto tranny into neutral. When down shifting with a manual transmission you can slowly engage the clutch (coupling) and control how fast the engine r.p.m.'s slow down or instantly push the clutch in with your foot to disconnect the transmission from the engine. The automatic transmission will always be connected and cannot pre-conceive road conditions. It's a slight technicality, but one that makes an experienced driver of manual transmissions excel over the guy who uses the auto tranny. The manual is much harder to operate, and those guys who can master it get more gratification from their driving experience, on or off road. The best thing about an automatic transmission for off roading, is it gives less shock to the engine and correspondingly the drive train components. Also it's much more difficult to work a manual transmission when you're bouncing around inside of the vehicle as you go over rocks. That's why when I see a guy kill the trails with a manual transmission, he gets mad respect. You only get out of the experience, from what you put in. You can do it yourself, or have something else do it for you. And if you want to dump more money into an aftermarket automatic transmission, you can have it built to do some pretty cool things. Pretty soon when they have all electric off-road vehicles, they will do more than either types of the transmissions we're talking about. I kinda like the aspect of doing more with less. It all works, and as I always say, "it doesn't really matter, as long as you're doing it".
@@d.s7741 I’m not going to read your ridiculous post. Clearly you don’t wheel. You select your engine braking via the gear and can stab the throttle to release engine braking. If you don’t understand that then I can’t help you. There is zero issue in dialing engine braking. I’m sure you’ll keep making up scenarios and fake news like clutches change torque ratios to feed some cognitive dissonance you about your life choices.
@@KTMcaptain - I may have worded my comment wrong, but you said enough in yours to give me the last laugh. "Just stay ahead of me so I know where you are"
Torque converters have something amazing that makes the auto superior. It’s torque multiplication. Even with taller gearing they’ll produce more torque at the wheels. They also have lock up clutches so you’ll get that direct drive and high efficiency.
Nonsense. While torque converters multiply torque auto trans also take much more power to run. They need that extra torque to make up for a loss in hp. This is why stick shift cars almost always put down more power on a dyno than an identical auto equiped car, and stick shift cars usually have a quicker 0-60 time on the drag strip if the driver knows how to launch the car. Back in the muscle car hay day man trans cars were always faster on the drag strip than auto equipped cars with their torque multiplying converters. It is only recently with todays computer controlled valve bodies and extra fast shifts that auto cars are faster then manuals. The only way the auto is superior in most situations is if you are not capable or confident driving a stick shift.
@@bdd1469 You are completely wrong and lack a fundamental understanding of drivetrain dynamics. Automatic transmissions are faster, quicker, and more fuel efficient now than stick shifts. If they were so inefficient at transferring torque as you claim that would be impossible and they would simply melt down from heat (since inefficiency turns into heat). While stick shifts make a little more power to the wheel vs a locked up torque converter automatic due to parasitic losses from running hydraulics and having more rotating mass, they deliver far more torque to the wheels since torque converters significantly multiply torque. . Before lock up torque converters sure, they bled power through the slipping torque converter which only multiplies torque when the stator is moving slowly. Also back then autos were geared very high which negated the TC's torque multiplication because they weren't performance cars. Nowadays the torque converter has a lock up clutch that acts just as a normal clutch would when locked up. . One of the most popular drag racing transmissions is a 2 speed auto called the powerglide. The best drag vehicles either use an automatic or no transmission at all (staged clutch engagement direct drive). . In fact, dragster transmissions often have a device called a transbrake which locks two gears together to bind the transmission so the engine can generate boost or maximum torque. Then it can be unleashed with the push of a button that unlocks one of the gears. This is actually available on the dodge demon. . Welcome to the 21st century. It's absolutely hilarious that you tried to compare modern automatics with ancient implementations of that technology.
@@KTMcaptain I am completley wrong ? Auto's are more effecient? I just looked up the gas milage of 2018 Jeep wranglers. I used 2018 because they offered both Jk and JL models, along with more engine choices than ever before, until the new hemi. The manual trans Jeeps ALL get 2 mpg more on the highway than the auto equipped Jeeps. While some of the autos do get 1 mpg more in the city, 2 is greater than 1, even in your world...Autos ARE more efficient at transferring something, heat , to the cooling system and the rest of your ride. I don't understand? Lol. I know all about powerglides and trans brakes. I've been a certified tech for decades , and built my first glide , with a coan transbrake and convertor , in 1982 ( ish). You're laughing at me because I compared old manual trans to new auto trans , but you're bringing up trans brakes and lock up converters that have been around since the mid seventies. The first time I installed an in-line switch to disconnect the lock up convertor in a 700R4 was around 1986. The question is whats better. You say the auto is superior and I disagree. You MAY be a tenth quicker in a drag race but I'll have 10x as much fun as you shifting , AND the crowd will enjoy watching my car more. You may have an easier time wheeling a Jeep in the rocks with an auto, but you can't dump the clutch in a tall gear to create instant wheel speed , which is the best way to avoid sinking in mud. Anyone can steal your auto , while finding someone nowdays that can steal a manual trans equipped vehicle is harder than understand what joe biden is talking about. FYI.... I've owned dozens of each , and converted muscle cars from manual to auto just to go racing. I currently have a manual AND an auto Jeep. The manual is much more fun to drive. Every muscle car I switched to an auto I either switched back , or sold shortly after because they were BORING. To each their own, you can keep your autos....
@@bdd1469 I didn't read your post at all cause I just don't care anymore. Keep being wrong off in your sad corner and perhaps post a response in a reasonable time next time. 🤡🤡🤡
I can drive a stick really well. Even own a motorcycle. My worry wheeling a stick is bogging down switching gears in mud or sand while switching gears. Or if I’m in a tight spot on a ledge there is no room for rolling when the clutch is pushed in. Like a hill stop to hell. All this being said, I don’t own a jeep (want one). Only been beach driving with my 03 expedition.
Manual is trash for stop and go traffic like denver. You'll need a new knee. I'm only 50 minutes from a trail that go's to 13,000 feet. Manual sucks anywhere.
Depends if you pay attention to it or not. For me the manual tranny is just auto/ muscle memory at this point. For some it may not be but it’s all preference,
Manual guy here. Engine braking in 4lo is unbeatable. Auto definitely superior for going up hills. Pro tip: never be shy with your handbrake on ascent!
I love driving my manual but crawling an obstacle and stalling is the worst. I've driven both manual and auto version of my car the engine doesnt make alot of power and the sluggishness of the auto makes it almost impossible to keep up with modern cars on the street
I started with manual, got an auto and I'll never look back. Easier, I don't stall, don't have to worry about changing gears. On say a Cherokee XJ, you can use the electronic controller to trick the transmission to lock into a certain gear, so you get the benefits of the manual selection with the automatic ease of use.
Manual guy here. I feel more in control of my rig with a manual while off road. I think having the right set up makes a big difference too ,as in tires,gears,lockers,lift.
My manual transmission is the way to go. I've had both manual and automatic transmission 4x4s and still prefer my manual, and I do go wheeling with it. I like the feel of driving the vehicle, not just pointing it in one direction and letting it control the forward/backward momentum. Also its a millennial anti theft device
it takes more talent and skill to properly work a manual transmission. Everyone wants to be dedicated to what a Jeep was all about. They never had hill control or descent control, or anti lock brakes, or a touch screen, power windows, heated seats/steering wheel or A/C, etc. etc. Look at the interior of an '80's Jeep like a CJ5. Now people are getting automatic transmissions with selec-speed where the Jeep does the crawling for them. It's rather pointless because your not getting the gratification knowing that you have the ability to do it yourself, instead of the machine doing it for you. Take control over the machine. Don't let the machine do it for you. It's man vs. machine. Take control
@@d.s7741 well said.. i always felt the same .. these days the jeeps are not jeeps..
Im all in on 2 door, manual transmission and a soft top.
Just as Odin intended.🍻
It's manual for me! One more thing: having a manual transmission vehicle makes it less likely to get stolen.
Every vehicle out there has an immobilizer...
@@mkgztmy 1978 Chevy K20 doesn’t
Bought my first Jeep about 3 months ago. Went with manual and have no regrets. There's an additional learning curve needing to press 3 pedals with only two feet, but have to think its making me a better driver in the long run. You are so right about the low torque crawling ability of the manual transmission.
I prefer manual, I like having control of my speed also hand throttle helps when crawling rocks.
I'm the manual transmission guy. I, learn driving in a manual transmission and still prefer manaul transmission, cause I'm quite good at it now. I've first learned driving at the age of 14 (MT), now I'm 35 and still driving (MT). In the future, I, might change, but for now I'll stick to a stick trans😃
Bsd thing about a manual on trails. Is you always seem to need to go too fast for 1st but yet to slow for 2nd gear.
And when your on a really bumpy rocky slow trail. You have to ride the clutch too much. Starting and stopping all the time.
Blond vs Redhead........ Ford vs Chevy......... Manual vs Auto....... It's about whatever turns you on! Wel,l except Chevy's, cuz we all know they are crap, LOL.....
people are getting lazy. A bicycle with an electric motor on it? The new automatic transmissions suck. They downshift too easily. And I did have a manual valve body in a 1970 Roadrunner that I built for top end. Just ordered a 2022 Wrangler with a manual transmission so I can choose which gear and know for sure which gear I will be in. If a Wrangler is supposed to be fun, then don't let the manufacturer take that away from you. My Roadrunner didn't have electric windows, power locks, bluetooth, XM radio, heated seats, heated steering wheel, anti lock brakes. and a bunch of other crap. How much fun could that be. That was over half a century ago. Pretty soon you won't be able to get a manual transmission, and automotive heritage will be down the toilet. Automatic transmissions are great for drag racing, but manual transmissions are just more fun, because you get the satisfaction of knowing you are making things happen, not a computer controlled fluid coupling. Fortunately in the old three speed transmissions the shifting was done by vacuum pressure and hydraulics. 52 years later and it's refreshing to know you can go Old School and not rely on electronics, or hydraulics, or engine vacuum. When i'm an old man, who thinks things are too difficult, i'll get an automatic transmission again.
5spd auto stick, best of both worlds and no clutch to smoke out playing in the mud
Well iv had manual and drive all kinds of manual trucks and tractors for a living. But have a Auto Ford ranger fx4 for a daily. If i can finally get a second vehicle I would want a new bronco manual so I can finally teach the wife fully how to drive a stick 🏒 shift. She drove my old mustang 5 speed for a block 😂 lol
my rubicon jk Has a anti rollback system . That you can turn on and off If you need to . And yes I love my standard
Off road I much prefer an automatic. On road, manual 💯. But for work since I drive a semi (and do have my manual endorsement) I'd rather drive an auto semi 100 out of 100 times
Great pros and cons for both types. I like my stick though. Cheers!
I prefer the automatic. The last standard transmission I had was on a 1994 Nissan Pathfinder. I feel more relaxed without having to worry about shifting on daily drives.
Also, the Rubicon 392 has paddle shifters. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, only the 392 Rubicon has them. The paddle shifter has some of the benefits of a standard: the gear can be selected for better control and the lower gears can be selected for going down hill.
Can paddle shifters be installed after buying a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon or do they have to be installed on an automatic transmission specifically designed and built for paddle shifters?
One last thing. The volume was too low, and I may have missed some of what was said.
Have 4 wheeled manual jeeps all my life. Just bought a new 2021 wrangler JLU Rubicon with manual and am loving it. The guys I wheel with thought I would not make cuz on my first day with it I stalled it twice but now that I have had it a month no more stalling and I can easily go anywhere they can.
If you actually prefer automatic transmissions, I have no room for you in my life. You're weird.
I've never driven a 4X4 auto, but I have driven pickups and SUVs with autos, manuals, and manuals with granny gears. I can say I have a preference fo manuals, but that could be in part because I learned and grew up driving manuals. Whether you handle shifting well in treacherous conditions is largely training. I ridden with people who learned manual on flat ground (city and rural), who had trouble shifting when at a steepish angle OR down (and had trouble negotiating a curve smoothly). My current ride is a 2016 Rubicon Hard Rock I bought because it was the only Rubi with 100 miles with a manual. All told, I would prefer to drive a manual, but would prefer to ride with someone driving what they understand.
Manual for me, more challenging for rocks
Each has it's place. I have a YJ on 44's with a manual and a JKU with an auto on 41's and I like them both!
Why never any talk of manual valve body?
Right? I have a fully built 700r4 with a manual valve body reverse shift pattern and engine braking. It’s not even a contest at that point. All pros, no cons.
Manual!
Either/or. As long as it has a steering wheel and a gas petal I don't care what trans it has.
Clutches are easier to replace than transmissions.
*Cheaper
Both repairs essentially require removing the transmission
In this day and age auto is probably better but i still prefer manual its more of a preference then something thats better.
Can't say I blame you!
Manual for sure! New truck holds the truck on a hill when starting, stumbled upon the feature a few days ago. Seems like the same vehicle is much more lively than similar automatic, to each their own!
Back in the 80's (my late teens - early 20's) I drove 2 CJ5's. Both Manual of course. Then for decades I had full size automatic pickups. Sooo boring. Now at 60 I have a manual 2021 Gladiator. I feel like a kid again. So I guess I'm saying that for me it is not about performance but nostalgia.
All that said on my JT, 6 forward gears is 2 too many. With the standard diff's reverse is too fast. Nothing like trying to back into a tight parking spot at 10+ mph.
Crawl ratio between auto and manual rubicon is 79:1 vs 84:1. No need for dual transfer cases or reduction elsewhere to match it.
Lots of factors come in to play such as engine power, diff gearing and age of automatic. There’s a big difference in the old 4 speed autos compared to a modern 8 speed. Personally I have both but prefer the auto for hardcore rock crawling
Have two rubicon's, both manual and wouldn't go to a manual. Just a personal preference. Love the low gear crawl ratios.
Been seeing a lot of manual with low gear dual transfer case. Makes me want a manual but my pocket isnt deep enough for dual transfer case setup:(
Why is your volume always so low I can barely hear you and I have the volume turned all the way up ?
Enjoyed the video I’ve lived the majority of my life in Ireland and the UK and Oh my vehicle survive the clutch I have never driven an automatic vehicle until I moved to Canada. Now I love driving a vehicle with a clutch it really feels like driving it’s what I grew up doing however I do have a Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro with an automatic transmission and I really do enjoy that truck I’ve been steadily turning it into an overlanding vehicle and it works really well. So I do see the advantages and disadvantages to each. I also do photography and I bought a lot of camera bags because they do different things well it’s just the same here with your vehicles there’s never going to be one perfect vehicle but does everything.
Automatics can also lose power going up a high regardless of it shifting.
I’ll stay with the manual transmission.
Let's say hypothetically if I had a '11 Jeep JK Sport v6 (NOT pentastar)... at an intersection, I'll stand in N, but when I get a green, I slap the stick into 1st (very bottom); rev up to 2-4k depending on need; let up on the pedal (foot off); slap the stick into 2nd gear (gearing can sync at moderate RPM without the throttle engaged): and rip roar in 2nd gear mainly because it sounds ferocious; then lift off the throttle, put it in D; and throttle down as needed (let the computer handle it from there)
Again, I must stress the point that in between shifts, I completely let up on the throttle and let the RPM drop to about 7-800 RPM (the sweet spot), and then apply throttle pressure after it's in the next gear.
I do not just keep the throttle down and row through the gears, so to speak.
Also, for what it's worth, I only do this occasionally. I mostly just set it in D when driving and nudge it into neutral at intersections (slow to get up to speed)
They should add mpg rating for manual wranglers. My 4 door 2015 has averaged 22mpg since new and that is way better than the auto. Even our 2014 4 door with large tires and lift gets 19 with the manual.
Manual all the time
Sporty cars, manual. Jeep, automatic.
Manuals most of my adult life. I'm sick of shifting vehicles SO, my next vehicle will be a Jeep Unlimited automatic.
I had a diesel Cherokee with manual, now I have a Wrangler with 5sp auto. I've done lots of teaveling with both, in the Patagonia in different types of floors (sand, mud, gravel mostly). I would choose auto for off raoding all the times!! Because all the things you've said, plus the fact that with auto you can also use it in manual if you like to use a particular gear in a given situation
I gotta add that I've been driving manual my whole life (30+ years driving), but for off road, i would choose auto
I understand some of the benefits of having an automatic trans however, my 2dr Rubicon is a manual and I wouldn't trade it for anything. Well, almost anything.
I’ve owned both. Auto for climbing is better. Being able to drive with two feet (one on brake one on gas) is way safer, easier and never stall. Newer jeep as well can select gears effortlessly.
Eh, I love my manuals, used both and others but just love having a manual. Use a brake lever from a bicycle mounted to the stick and run the cable to the gas peddle when I’m off-road to let my right foot hang out on the brake and leave my left on the clutch. Easier with a carb then the new rigs but still able to rig it up but suggest disconnecting once you’re off the trail to reduce the chance of it sticking when you’re on the highway.
Modern Automatic is better especiallyfor more technical drives, allows more control as you just have to focus on steering and just starting snd stopping, but i prefer the feel of a Manual. The Auto on Beaches and Dunes may overheat but you can get coolers for them these days
regardless of wether im driving on highway in my lil sports car or on the trails with my jeep... im always gonna pick the manual even if there are a couple additionnal challenges. just makes it more interesting to me lol
I ordered a Willys sport 2 door manual last month. I’ve owned manual transmissions for 16 years. It’s my first Jeep. Im usually really fast at pressing the clutch in and catching the engine before it stalls
I started wheeling with a manual (87 VW vanagan) Now I currently have both. Hard for me to choose. It depends on my mood.
Once the automatic has more gears it’s better, full stop
8 speed automatic... in our jeep wonderful!!!
For serious off-road use, and I mean really tough terrain, I prefer the auto as of now, especially in very deep water crossings (like up to your headlights or higher). Reason being if you stall a manual while the exhaust is underwater, glug glug glug it goes up the pipe and makes cranking it difficult or impossible. And there’s quite a bit a resistance on the vehicle while navigating deep water/ mud, further heightening the chance of stalling out
Manual, all the way.
I'm auto,don't off road much and my jeep is a daily driver!
I really enjoy driving my 6-speed manual but I have to say that autos haven gotten so reliable over the last decade or two that it's really a preference. The only other advantage of a manual that I can think of is the ability to use the rolling start should batteries run dry, which is one of the reasons I prefer a manual. Having said that, I haven't had to roll start a vehicle in 30 years. But if I every have to, I'm ready.
Fair enough! I personally like driving my manual car really when its on the weekend or just going some where for a cruise. I prefer the automatic when doing my day to day driving or just going on an extended drive!
Manual is the better option unless you don’t know how to drive manual
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The only dangerous thing I can think of, picking the automatic, is if you ever end up in a stiuation where the car starts to flip backwards. In such a scenario I think you would instinctly react very quickly and press the clutch pedal. But in an automatic, quickly putting it in neutral will not come as natural.
That's a good point!
my first car is a manual and i dont wanna go back to an auto if and when i get another car
You can select the gear manually on an auto for descending a hill.
but you cannot disengage the clutch and lessen it's forward momentum, and let the clutch out again utilizing a variable torque ratio of the same gear. All without shifting. There is no clutch in a fluid coupling
@@d.s7741 it actually does have a clutch, that’s how the lock up function works. None of the behavior you described is needed, but you can use the throttle at any point to accomplish it. It sounds as if you have minimal experience wheeling an auto.
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A clutch doesn’t provide a variable torque ratio. Is simply reduces the amount of torque the engine transfers to the transmission input shaft. A torque converter on the other hand does multiply torque and provide a variable torque ratio… does it so well that koenigsegg uses a torque converter as a CVT.
@@KTMcaptain - yes, a fluid coupling does multiply torque. But you cannot disengage the clutch (or flluid coupling) without shifting gears or putting the auto tranny into neutral. When down shifting with a manual transmission you can slowly engage the clutch (coupling) and control how fast the engine r.p.m.'s slow down or instantly push the clutch in with your foot to disconnect the transmission from the engine. The automatic transmission will always be connected and cannot pre-conceive road conditions. It's a slight technicality, but one that makes an experienced driver of manual transmissions excel over the guy who uses the auto tranny. The manual is much harder to operate, and those guys who can master it get more gratification from their driving experience, on or off road. The best thing about an automatic transmission for off roading, is it gives less shock to the engine and correspondingly the drive train components. Also it's much more difficult to work a manual transmission when you're bouncing around inside of the vehicle as you go over rocks. That's why when I see a guy kill the trails with a manual transmission, he gets mad respect. You only get out of the experience, from what you put in. You can do it yourself, or have something else do it for you. And if you want to dump more money into an aftermarket automatic transmission, you can have it built to do some pretty cool things. Pretty soon when they have all electric off-road vehicles, they will do more than either types of the transmissions we're talking about. I kinda like the aspect of doing more with less. It all works, and as I always say, "it doesn't really matter, as long as you're doing it".
@@d.s7741 I’m not going to read your ridiculous post. Clearly you don’t wheel. You select your engine braking via the gear and can stab the throttle to release engine braking. If you don’t understand that then I can’t help you. There is zero issue in dialing engine braking. I’m sure you’ll keep making up scenarios and fake news like clutches change torque ratios to feed some cognitive dissonance you about your life choices.
@@KTMcaptain - I may have worded my comment wrong, but you said enough in yours to give me the last laugh. "Just stay ahead of me so I know where you are"
Dailey us I like manuals, off road I like Auto
Torque converters have something amazing that makes the auto superior. It’s torque multiplication. Even with taller gearing they’ll produce more torque at the wheels. They also have lock up clutches so you’ll get that direct drive and high efficiency.
Nonsense. While torque converters multiply torque auto trans also take much more power to run. They need that extra torque to make up for a loss in hp. This is why stick shift cars almost always put down more power on a dyno than an identical auto equiped car, and stick shift cars usually have a quicker 0-60 time on the drag strip if the driver knows how to launch the car. Back in the muscle car hay day man trans cars were always faster on the drag strip than auto equipped cars with their torque multiplying converters. It is only recently with todays computer controlled valve bodies and extra fast shifts that auto cars are faster then manuals. The only way the auto is superior in most situations is if you are not capable or confident driving a stick shift.
@@bdd1469 You are completely wrong and lack a fundamental understanding of drivetrain dynamics. Automatic transmissions are faster, quicker, and more fuel efficient now than stick shifts. If they were so inefficient at transferring torque as you claim that would be impossible and they would simply melt down from heat (since inefficiency turns into heat). While stick shifts make a little more power to the wheel vs a locked up torque converter automatic due to parasitic losses from running hydraulics and having more rotating mass, they deliver far more torque to the wheels since torque converters significantly multiply torque.
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Before lock up torque converters sure, they bled power through the slipping torque converter which only multiplies torque when the stator is moving slowly. Also back then autos were geared very high which negated the TC's torque multiplication because they weren't performance cars. Nowadays the torque converter has a lock up clutch that acts just as a normal clutch would when locked up.
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One of the most popular drag racing transmissions is a 2 speed auto called the powerglide. The best drag vehicles either use an automatic or no transmission at all (staged clutch engagement direct drive).
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In fact, dragster transmissions often have a device called a transbrake which locks two gears together to bind the transmission so the engine can generate boost or maximum torque. Then it can be unleashed with the push of a button that unlocks one of the gears. This is actually available on the dodge demon.
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Welcome to the 21st century. It's absolutely hilarious that you tried to compare modern automatics with ancient implementations of that technology.
@@KTMcaptain I am completley wrong ? Auto's are more effecient? I just looked up the gas milage of 2018 Jeep wranglers. I used 2018 because they offered both Jk and JL models, along with more engine choices than ever before, until the new hemi.
The manual trans Jeeps ALL get 2 mpg more on the highway than the auto equipped Jeeps. While some of the autos do get 1 mpg more in the city, 2 is greater than 1, even in your world...Autos ARE more efficient at transferring something, heat , to the cooling system and the rest of your ride.
I don't understand? Lol. I know all about powerglides and trans brakes. I've been a certified tech for decades , and built my first glide , with a coan transbrake and convertor , in 1982 ( ish). You're laughing at me because I compared old manual trans to new auto trans , but you're bringing up trans brakes and lock up converters that have been around since the mid seventies. The first time I installed an in-line switch to disconnect the lock up convertor in a 700R4 was around 1986.
The question is whats better. You say the auto is superior and I disagree. You MAY be a tenth quicker in a drag race but I'll have 10x as much fun as you shifting , AND the crowd will enjoy watching my car more. You may have an easier time wheeling a Jeep in the rocks with an auto, but you can't dump the clutch in a tall gear to create instant wheel speed , which is the best way to avoid sinking in mud. Anyone can steal your auto , while finding someone nowdays that can steal a manual trans equipped vehicle is harder than understand what joe biden is talking about.
FYI.... I've owned dozens of each , and converted muscle cars from manual to auto just to go racing. I currently have a manual AND an auto Jeep. The manual is much more fun to drive. Every muscle car I switched to an auto I either switched back , or sold shortly after because they were BORING. To each their own, you can keep your autos....
@@bdd1469 I didn't read your post at all cause I just don't care anymore. Keep being wrong off in your sad corner and perhaps post a response in a reasonable time next time. 🤡🤡🤡
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lmao that cope
Hand throttles make manuals elite
I can drive a stick really well. Even own a motorcycle.
My worry wheeling a stick is bogging down switching gears in mud or sand while switching gears. Or if I’m in a tight spot on a ledge there is no room for rolling when the clutch is pushed in. Like a hill stop to hell. All this being said, I don’t own a jeep (want one). Only been beach driving with my 03 expedition.
Manual is trash for stop and go traffic like denver. You'll need a new knee. I'm only 50 minutes from a trail that go's to 13,000 feet. Manual sucks anywhere.
Depends if you pay attention to it or not. For me the manual tranny is just auto/ muscle memory at this point. For some it may not be but it’s all preference,
@@erickschaefer5886 ya I've had 2 vehicles with manual. I've drive manual for a decade. There yours.
my knee was hurting today
@@TheMissingtime I've gone full autonomous now. The rig drives its self through Ai.
Driving is for suckers.
@@jdreaper2176 what Reese said oh sleeping one
Manual guy here. Engine braking in 4lo is unbeatable. Auto definitely superior for going up hills. Pro tip: never be shy with your handbrake on ascent!
I love driving my manual but crawling an obstacle and stalling is the worst. I've driven both manual and auto version of my car the engine doesnt make alot of power and the sluggishness of the auto makes it almost impossible to keep up with modern cars on the street
I started with manual, got an auto and I'll never look back. Easier, I don't stall, don't have to worry about changing gears.
On say a Cherokee XJ, you can use the electronic controller to trick the transmission to lock into a certain gear, so you get the benefits of the manual selection with the automatic ease of use.
It's almost like ... Jeeps need their own special transmission.
Manual Transmission is the only way to go!
Love the one you’re with.
🙏 Amen
Easy
Chicken = automatic
Roosters = manual