Now I understand (as a new Catholic) why authority is so important. Greg's misinterpretation of the word is deceiving and could lead people away from the one true faith.
@@Dcm193 St. Paul calls Himself a spiritual father. Thinking God contradicts St. Paul? Abandon the Bible entirely, forget about St. Paul’s letters to Ephesus, Corinth, Rome, and so on, because he can’t be trusted.
I mean, it literally blows my mind the argument took ~1500 years to discover. That was God’s plan? To allow the Apostles to, “get it wrong” for a millennia and a half? Only to have Martin Luther (not Jesus) course correct it? Without even opening my Bible, it already makes zero sense.
Most of these arguments make no sense. They are meant as quick sound bites and click bait. No theologian would ever take these things seriously, they are refuted quite easily.
That’s a good point, but I don’t think holds much weight because it took just as long if not longer for Gods people to understand the Old Testament, and it took Jesus to come to show how the law was to be understood
It literally blows my mind that it took 1900 years for it to be written into dogma if its so obvious. OH wait. it was rejected by 4 of the 5 original churches. It didn't take 1500 years.. it was rejected right from the start of its insidious beginnings. The only one to agree that Rome had all these extra powers was... oh surprise... Rome itself. Trent plays a double standard card here. He says the other guy has to prove Peter himself isn't the rock Jesus was referring to. Why? It's on Trent and other to prove this fact.
@@emczdt The reason God set the Jews apart was to bring about the coming of the Savior. It took many generations for God's working with the Jewish people to bear fruit. Jesus is the culmination of Judaism. God cultivating a people for two thousand years in order to become the font of salvation for the whole world is not the same as The Church of which, Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail, getting it wrong (i.e. the gates of hell prevailing) for 1500+ years.
@@Nolongeraslave As explained in the video, yes. By the time the New Testament was written, Petros and Petras were used interchangeably outside of things like poetry.
@@Nolongeraslave thats greek bro but like explained in the video its the same yeah peter is a male so in greek it has to be a masculine proper name, either way i am talking about aramaic (wich is my mother tongue) jesus in the syriac bible (aramaic) says you are KEPHA, and on this KEPHA i will build my church but if you think aramaic bibles (with codexes as old as any greek manuscripts btw) still aint good enough: EVEN IN THE GREEK BIBLES PETER'S NAME GIVEN BY JESUS IS CEPAS (TRANSLITERATION OF KEPHA) so the protestant argument is fallacious at best
A Protestant, a Catholic and an Orthodox walk into a diner. They are seated and handed the menu. The menu only has bread and wine says the protestant. The Catholic says good and orders bread and wine. The Orthodox says good, and orders wine and bread. The Protestant meanwhile studies the menu meticulously. Once the order arrives both The Catholic and Orthodox say a prayer, cross themselves and eat their meal. The Protestant looks at them in disdain and starts eating the menu....
I think the menu is referring to the bible and the bread and wine refers to the Eucharist. As Scott Hahn famously said, Protestants read the menu while Catholics eat the meal.
This is good but I have a shorter version. A Catholic and a Protestant walk into a bar. The Catholic orders an old-fashioned. The Protestant asks for a menu.
Can't believe people are still trying to make the petros/petra argument. I learned the difference between having to use masculine and feminine denotations of words 40 years ago in foreign language class.
@ Jesus didn’t. It was the translation that caused the difference. If you watch the video Trent explains that Jesus said “Kefas” (which is Aramaic for rock) both times. I hope this helps :)
@ Thanks, that helps. So my question is why did the translation then use the different ways of saying rock? Trent mentioned that perhaps it is because Jesus likes to use puns. Would that be the case?
@@gfujigo Since Greek names tended to use masculine endings for men, Petros was an appropriate name form, while petra remained feminine as usual. Hope that helps.
I was tempted to say that you nailed it "as usual". But this was in some way even better than the usual. Great presentation and clarity. Thank u for this much needed work. God bless
I don't know why people make that type of petros/petra argument. Make it seem like Peter is competing with Jesus to be the main foundation. Also, why do Protestants separate Peter’s confession from Peter? If his confession is the foundation, that makes Peter the foundation since he made the confession.
This argument could be construed as a type of Nestorianism. If Peter's confession of faith can be separated from Peter the person, is there a person of Peter with faith (who makes the confession) and one without faith (who doesn't)? In what other instances can and has a confession been separated from the confessor?
I think their point with separating his confession from him is that Jesus is saying “all people’s confessions are the foundation of the Church”, keeping in mind the warped Protestant definition of “the Church” as simply being “all true believers”
Why do catholics insist on acting like all protestants believe the same thing? Plenty of protestants believe that the rock references Peter, and even that Peter had a special role. But this is far cry from the papacy.
Well said. I find it ironic when Seventh Day Adventists accuse us of not worshipping Jesus since they believe He is the Archangel Michael. Their “prophetess” also said that Jesus was made equal to the Father in front of the angels. Additionally, some of their founders were Arians.
@@StoaoftheSouthnope, SDAs believe Jesus is Michael but they disagree with the JW on Jesus being created. SDA theology claims Jesus incarnated as an angel to try and save the apostate angels but they all rejected him. When he did this he “became Michael the archangel.” “The eternal Word gave Himself. He did not aspire to be equal with God, “did not meditate a usurpation” of the throne of the universe (see Phil. 2:5-7 ARV), but He emptied Himself, gave Himself, then and there, for sinners. He took the form of a servant, becoming an angel among the angels that He might redeem angels; but they would not. And when they rejected the righteousness and life so freely offered, He descended lower still to those duped by Satan-fallen man-stooping even to death, that He might redeem of the fallen all who desired to be redeemed, and vindicate to the universe to all eternity the character of God. That was the work of the Word of God, the eternal Logos, when He became Michael the Archangel, when He became Jesus the Man of Nazareth, when He was anointed the Christ, when He died our Sacrifice on Calvary. Yet during all this time the hosts of evil, with all the baleful, deceptive, cruel devices of sin, were hurled against Him, that God’s character might be marred, that the great Vindicator-Redeemer might fall.”-Signs of the Times, June 6, 1911 And this is merely one of countless quotes I could show you.
SDA is trying to falsify the Roman Catholic Church by false arguments. But many of them didn't realize that their founder EGW pronounced that she is a false prophet. She wrote it in her own book.
quote---SDA is trying to falsify the Roman Catholic Church by false arguments....unquote FACT: I CAN PROVE per the HOLY BIBLE OVER 98% of catholic dogmas (The English word ‘ordinances’ in the Greek is Strong’s G1378, δόγμασιν/dogmasin, from the root word δοκέω/dokeó, Strong’s G1380. Thayer’s Greek Lexicon states this to mean: to be of opinion, think, suppose to . Each cognate of dokeó, such as ‘dogmasin’, stresses “the subjective mental estimate or opinion about a matter”. Dogmas--to be of opinion, think, suppose This Greek word is where we get the English word ‘dogma’. Webster’s Dictionary concurs with the definition of the word ‘dogmasin’: DOGMA, noun [Gr., to think; Latin ] A settled opinion; a principle, maxim or tenet; a doctrinal notion, particularly in matters of faith and philosophy; as the dogmas of the church; the dogmas of Plato. The Greek word ‘1378 dogmasin’ is used only 5 times in the New Testament; ) ARE NOT Biblical!!!! >>>>What does the Catholic Catechism say about the Sabbath? CCC#2171 God entrusted the Sabbath to Israel to keep as a sign of the irrevocable covenant. The sabbath is for the Lord, holy and set apart for the praise of God, his work of creation, and his saving actions on behalf of Israel. --THAT in itself says the Sabbath IS "as a sign of the irrevocable covenant."!!!! Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more ir·rev·o·ca·ble /ˌi(r)ˈrevəkəb(ə)l,ˌi(r)rəˈvōkəb(ə)l/ adjective not able to be changed, reversed, or recovered; final. "an irrevocable step"! So, did God Lie????? THAT IS STATED in the CCC#2171. ----Isaiah 58:13-14 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 13 If you refrain from trampling the Sabbath, from pursuing your own interests on MY HOLY DAY; if you call the Sabbath a delight and the HOLY DAY of the Lord honorable; if you honor it, not going your own ways, serving your own interests, or pursuing your own affairs;[a] 14 then you shall take delight in the Lord, and I will make you ride upon the heights of the earth; I will feed you with the heritage of your ancestor Jacob, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken. READ THAT L:AST LINE AGAIN!!! Unless you want to insist God is a liar!!!!
Can you explain? ..... IF THE BIBLE IS A CATHOLIC BOOK, THEN: Why does it condemn clerical dress? (Matt. 23:5-6; Luke 20:46). Why does the Bible teach against the adoration of Mary if the Bible is catholic? (Luke 11:27-28). Why does it show that all Christians are priests? (1 Pet. 2:5,9). Why does God's Word condemn the observance of special days if it's catholic? (Gal. 4:9-11). Why does the Bible teach that all Christians are saints if it's catholic? (1 Cor. 1:2). WHY is there no mention nor concept of a “pope” in God’s Word? If the Bible were truly catholic, WHY does it condemn the making and adoration of objects of worship, of graven images? (Ex. 20:4-5). WHY did the catholic church removed the 2nd commandment and then split the 10th commandment into 2 commandments? WHY does the Bible teach that baptism is immersion instead of sprinkling or pouring if the Bible is catholic? (Col. 2:12). If the Bible is truly catholic, WHY does it specifically forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9) If the Bible is truly catholic, WHY does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11). WHY does it address only God Himself as the "Holy Father"? (John 17:11) If the Bible is catholic, why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5). If the Bible is catholic, why is the Bible completely silent about infant baptism, indulgence$, purgatory, confession to priests, the rosary, scapula, novena, holy days of obligation, the mass, and many other things taught by the Catholic Church? If the Bible is catholic WHY is the drinking of blood (eucharist/transubstantiation) forbidden in both testaments? (Leviticus 17; Acts 15) If the Bible is catholic, why then did the pope put the Bible on the Index of forbidden books in the 12th century? The roman catholic cult murdered in cold blood millions who preserved the Scriptures, the Bible. The Waldensians were part of those murdered. The Waldensians were hunted down and murdered. The cult of rome knew that if the average, common man got hold of the Bible, they (Rome) would be out of business. During the inquisitions, the catholic church murdered 63 million people, all who refused to come under the illegitimate authority of the pope. The catholic church has never apologize because they are unrepentant. How can any sane person defend this evil? For this cause divine judgment is coming, in “one hour.” The catholic church is described in detail in Revelation 17 and her coming destruction is in Revelation 18.
1 Corinthians 3 tells us a lot, verse 7 sticks out as very important for everyone to remember, “So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.”
Former Adventist here. Not Catholic but I have a deep respect for the Church of Rome. I appreciate your ministry and I especially love when you go after the CNN fake news style theology that is Adventism.
@@TboneWTF good point. Literally tens of thousands of eye-witness accounts of miracles, interactions with God, angels & demons, and paranormal experiences throughout recorded history are clearly not evidence. Nor are physical artifacts like the shroud of Turin, the Guadalupe shawl, hundreds of Eucharistic miracles, etc evidence either. Even miraculous events like thousands of people witnessing the sun dancing across the Fatima sky with a picture of it in the newspaper the next day doesn’t count as evidence either. Until some evidence can be provided, all other arguments are moot.
quote---Bravo!!!! Another Apologist to look up to. Continue defending the One True Church!!!...unquote That contradicts Jesus!!! John 10 - 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 17 ... --So, who's right?? Jesus?--Or "The Church"?
@@StringofPearls55 FACTS: #1--Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?) #2--Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?) #3--Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator? #4--Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?) #5--Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?) #6--Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?) #7--Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?) #8--Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?) #9--Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers #10--Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?) #11--Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?) #12--Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins #13--Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church #14--Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?) #15--Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?) #16--Christ never said to confess your sins to a priest John 14:6 New International Version - And yes, IT MUST be IN the Bible!! Jesus said: Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. ... No one comes to the Father except through me.." So, when a church teaches what contradicts what Jesus taught, which one is the truth??? If you say the church is right, that means Jesus is a liar!!! That erases ALL the 4 gospels!!! That leaves out ALL of Matt 16!! Along with that. you insist Jesus is God, then that implies God is liar. That erases ALL the Bible!! If you say Jesus is right, that means the church has lied!!! IT CAN NOT be both right!!! The bottom line is, the Messiah kept the Law perfectly, and we are to walk as he walked according to the Scriptures at 1 John 2:4-6. Those who do not follow Messiah’s footsteps are workers of lawlessness according to the Messiah himself. Kindly refute these FACTS with book, chapter and numbered verse FROM the Bible. Answer however many as you want!!! ONLY Book, chapter and number of the verse!!! No need to quote the verse or explain it!!! Where does it say sola scriptura in the Bible?
@@mitchellosmer1293No matter who explains this to you, you will never accept. Because you believe your own interpretation. Watch Trent's Videos with an open mind instead of running here and there with your evangelical quack.
You're saying it was the Holy Spirt that told us to worship and pray to Mary, and eat and drink the body and blood of Christ despite the Father saying we are not to drink blood.
@@sammygomes7381so your saying Jesus contradicts the father then? Because Jesus clearly commands to drink his literal blood. The disciples question this and he doubles down. Drinking Christs blood isn’t the same as drinking blood for a mealtime, he literally commands us to in the Bible. Also we don’t worship Mary, don’t lie about us please, because that’s not a gift of the spirit
@@bikesrcool_1958 My friend, either Christ contradicted and disobeyed the Father, or someone is teaching a false doctrine. See the apostles also forbid the drinking of blood in Acts 15 it is safe to say Christ is being misunderstood. If one also understood Jewish thought, it would help. In Jewish thought, bread was equated with the Torah, and "eating of it" was reading and understanding the covenant of God If Catholics don't worship Mary could you explain who this goddess and idol is in the following statement as there is no such person in the word of God. Catechism of the Catholic church 966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death." The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians: In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.
How on Earth can someone read the passage and interpret it as "You're rock, and on this other completely different rock I'll build my Church". To top it off they'll probably add "and the powers of hell will conquer over it up until the 1500's".
I have a question how can you read this verse and say the church is built on Peter when the whole conversation is about who Jesus is. A church not built on Jesus is not a church of Jesus Christ , right. Even the CCC says the church was built on The confession of who Jesus was not that Peter was called the rock.
@@ThatGuy-nr5sp You answered your own question, the examples you brought are non exclusive. The problem with Protestants is that they will take any interpretation BUT the ones that agree with Catholic dogma, and they'll do as much mental gymnastics to accomplish that.
I disagree the verse Protestants say the church is built is that Peter confessed that Jesus was the messiah. Jesus being the christ is what the church is built on is it not. The CCC 424 says it was peters confession of faith the church was built on . What was his faith and confession in. There are other verses that say the foundation is Jesus , the foundation is the apostles and the prophets. What about them makes them part of the foundation. There confession of Christ also. did the prophets Prophesi about Peter. There is not one scripture that says Peter is the foundation of the church. Or the church is built on . Like Trent said one has to prove that Peter is not the rock Jesus is referring to , but I think you have to prove Peter was the rock Jesus was talking about. The whole conversation was about who everyone thought Jesus was not Peter. When Jesus told the apostles not to tell anyone what they spoke of was he saying to the apostles do not let anyone know the church would be on Peter or was Jesus saying don’t tell anyone who I am. The Rock that was the topic in this conversation was Jesus
@@ThatGuy-nr5sp Please watch the video again. Yes Jesus is the ultimate rock the Church but He is not the only foundation the Church is built upon. Even many Protestant fathers and Protestants today disagree with your claim that Peter isn’t the rock in Matthew 16:18 and that he wasn’t given divine authority.
@TheCounselofTrent Sigh. As a Protestant, I was just trying to have ONE lovely catholic-free day, Trent. Just ONE! Guess I'll try again tomorrow, because apparently I'm a glutton for punishment. 🙃 This was very thorough, yet concise. I appreciate the work you do and the Protestant sources you draw from. Keep challenging us!
Prots showing their disdain for a church which has been around far longer than Lutherians have existed "Protestant sources you draw from" - Prots who use the bible that catholics put together
Jn.21:17; "Simon spn of John, do you love me? Peter was grieved because Jesus asked him the THIRD time" Jesus commanded Peter to Feed my Sheep, my Lambs, Tend my Sheep. AND, the Bible which was produced by the One and ONLY Catholic Church under; POPE Damasus in 382A.D contains TWO EPISTLES from the First Pope, (Peter). You can deny it but the Catholic Church has ALL the documentation/list of all the Popes from Peter to the present one! On the other hand, your (Pope Martin Luther, Father of Protestantism) Successors were John Calvin, Zwingli, etc, etc, etc, to over 70,000 now.
It doesn’t even matter. If Petros was used that means specifically referring to a boulder or “rock.” To refer to smaller stones during that time period was the word “lithos”. This guy can’t even get basic facts straight. Secondly from Aramaic the word is Kefa/Cephas
🤣 The protestant heresy about Petros and Petra is rampant! Anyone who uses this argument to claim that Petros is a small rock and that petra is a big Rock knows nothing about Greek names! In Greek, the Greek names have gender specific grammar, for example: Alexios (Αλέξιος) and Alexa (Αλεξία) notice how male names end with "OS" and female names end with "A". In fact, there is not a single Greek name for males that end with "A" and I will give you 1 million dollars if you can find one! Examples of these are the well known and common Greek names for males and females respectively: Alexandros (Αλέξανδρος) and Alexandra (Αλεξάντα) Angelos (Άγγελος) and Angela (Άντζελα) Adelphos (Αδελφός) and Adelpha (Αδελφά) Agathos (Αγάθος) and Agatha (Αγκάθα) Alandros (Άλανδρος) and Alandra (Αλάνδρα) Theodoros (Θεόδωρος) and Theodora (Θεοδώρα) Demetrios (Δημήτριος) and Demetria (Δημήτρια) Augustos (Αύγουστος) and Augusta (Αυγούστα) Linos (Λίνος) and Lina (Λίνα) Anastasios (Αναστάσιος) and Anastasia (Αναστασία) Petros (Πέτρος) and Petra (Πέτρα) For example, suppose Jesus had given Simon the nickname "messenger", how will the Greek language translate this nickname? Will Simon get the Greek name Angela? or will Simon get the name Angelos? Obviously Simon would get the name "Angelos" because he is a male! Nobody will dare call Simon "Angela." The Greek text will never have called Simon as: "And I tell you that you are Angela...." The same thing applies to the other names: The Greek text will never have called Simon as: "And I tell you that you are Alexandra (Αλεξάντα) The Greek text will never have called Simon as: "And I tell you that you are Alexa (Αλεξία) The Greek text will never have called Simon as: "And I tell you that you are Anastasia (Αναστασία) The Greek text will never have called Simon as: "And I tell you that you are Petra (Πέτρα) The protestants are pure madness! The Greek text will use the correct GENDER for the person: The Greek text uses the correct GENDER and the translator would have called Simon as: "And I tell you that you are Alexandros (Αλέξανδρος) The Greek text uses the correct GENDER: "And I tell you that you are Alexios (Αλέξιος) The Greek text uses the correct GENDER: "And I tell you that you are Anastasios (Αναστάσιος) The Greek text uses the correct GENDER: "And I tell you that you are Petros (Πέτρος) Most protestants are from English speaking countries where you do not have gender specific words. These protestants are preaching 2 lies in one! They butcher the Greek language and preach a false gospel from the one Jesus and the apostles preached for 2000 years! For 2000 years the gospel in Matthew 16:18 has said: "And I tell you that you are rock and on this rock I will build my church..." As simple as that!
Greg Sereda, the SDA guy of Bible Flock Box seems like an 'AI' generated person. I'm going to have to check it out to make sure. His arguments are pathetically weak. Trent, as always, answers everything thoroughly and with sincerity. Nice work Trent!
6:57 is such a bad argument from the Protestant 😅. No one denies that Peter was the first bishop of Rome, except for a crazy 16th century German monk and the Protestants that came after him. Even us Eastern Orthodox recognise Peter as the first Bishop of Rome (he was also the first bishop of the Church of Antioch), however, we just disagree with the extent of authority that the bishop of Rome possesses. Although, this doesn't actually appear to be a big disagreement anymore like it used to in the past, considering the Vatican Chieti Document.
It's always comforting to see a kind brother in Christ. I pray our churches can unify together once more. I don't know how we could do it, but it would be wonderful if we could find a way to reunify.
The “Jesus’ words only” note reminds me of Jeremy Fragrance (the number 1 fragrance icon who follows the teaching of Jesus) who has a “Bible” that are ONLY Jesus’ words
@ Yep! Not even “then he said” or anything like that. It’s fairly unreadable, but I can’t say there’s never a place for it, I’m sure it would be great for meditations, lectio divina, etc
Seventh-Day Adventism has so many dubious beliefs, built on Millerite nonsense and topped with Ellen G. White’s claims, that for an Adventist to be as smug about his beliefs as this chap seems to be is strange, though consistent with our fallen human nature…
Although I have many disagreements with the Catholics, this guy has NO right to talk considering that the SDA thinks you’re required to worship on Saturday.
@@VivatChristusRex99 sda think they are still under the old covenant laws of Moses. That's why they still try to observe a covenant God never made with them. In fact it is impossible today to even observe Exodus 31:16-17. Yet the sda still try to observe this covenant that was made between God and the children of Israel forever throughout their generations.
I always pray the Holy Rosary for the heavenly graces, miracles, blessings, and protection that I become a successful Catholic Social Media Influencer to spread the teachings and Revelations of the Catholic Church and the entire Christendom. I hope and pray the Devotion to the Eucharist and the Holy Souls in Purgatory helps me.
@@Cklert You mean the brutal deletion and torture of people starting back in the 12 century, the burning of bibles, the selling of indulgences and the current child diddling and cover up? Yeah I know enough.
As soon as I saw the thumbnail I thought, “Wait, is that the guy who said there are 30 Hail Mary’s in a rosary? 😂 No debunk needed, credibility is already gone.”
ST. BERNARD (1090-1153) to Pope Eugenius: “What profit does the flock derive from magnificent pageants, with you, the supreme shepherd of the flock advancing majestically in gilded clothing? Do you think that Saint Peter loved to surround himself with this pomp and display, or Saint Paul? No. In all things that belong to earthly magnificence, you have succeeded not Peter, but the Emperor Constantine!”
In Jerusalem, where the Temple once stood, is a Mosque called The Dome of the Rock. The rock in question was once part of the inner, most sacred part of the Temple. It was believed to have been the core rock on which the entire earth was created around, the rock where God created Adam, the rock upon which Abraham offered Issac. It was the resting place of the Ark of the Covenant. It was considered the foubdation stone of the Temple. Is it possible that when Jesus refers to Peter as the rock on which i will build my church He is referring to Peter as this rock? He did promise that he would destroy the Temple and rebuild it in 3 days. Did Jesus see this new church as the new rebuilt Temple, and Peter as the "new" rock?
"stand the test of time" is a very funny and ironic phrase from an SDA whose system of relief is only a couple hundred years old compared to Catholicism which can be traced back historically and continuously to the 1st century with Clement and Ignatius as the video shows.
Peter was never the head of the The Way, the movement Jesus left behind. All the contemporary sources confirm this, Acts, Paul's epistles, and Josephus. They all place James, not Peter, at the top. Furthermore, "church" does not mean a religious movement. The Greek means just an assembly of people.
@@ji8044 Such absurd claims, I wonder if this is even worth my time.... The first 12 chapters of Acts show Peter as the undisputed leader of "the movement Jesus left behind," which is first called the Way in Acts 9. Peter silences the debate in Acts 15. Paul first consults with Peter/Cephas after his conversion before any of the other Apostles (Gal 1:18). James' leadership is confined to Jerusalem in all sources; Peter's leadership is universal/worldwide/catholic, taking all sources into account. Haven't even talked about the clear evidence from the gospels and the early Church fathers of the 1st and 2nd centuries.... The gospel of Matthew and Paul's letters speak of "the Church" as one unified institution with a hierarchical leadership. One need not and should not assume that the Apostles and first Christians used the same Greek words in exactly the same sense as pagans. One should look to the Jewish sense, which also had authoritative leaders.
1,991 year old Church that Christ established when people say ONE verse from the Bible that same Church compiled and distributed supposedly destroys said Church: “Oh no! Anyway.” Also: “Visible Confusion.”
It is obvious that in Matthew 16:18 Jesus is referring to Peter's confession and the revelation from God that was imbedded in it. It really is the only way to make sense of Jesus' words, "on this rock".
Matthew 16:17-20, Petra/petros was rarely used differently. Mainly in poetry. Tell me, if Christ wanted to rename Peter “small rock” as a joke, why not use “lithos”? And in John 1:42, Christ named Peter Cephas meaning rock. In Paul’s epistles Peter is called Cephas. Jesus was most likely speaking Aramaic when he was building his church upon Peter. Many Protestant scholars admit that Petra and petros was used interchangeably
Excellent! As a Latter-day Saint, I couldn't agree more with your analysis. Jesus actually organized his servants before He left this earth. Also, recently I began a study of Jesus's directives in the New Testament. I've been impressed that He is constantly challenging his listeners to do more, to overcome their own mortal weaknesses, and to stretch themselves to the "measure of the stature of [his] Fullness." I appreciate you bringing up that side note. If Paul talks of the race he runs, we better not think we can sit out our own races. I think Paul would be aghast that he is interpreted as saying merely to speak your belief is sufficient for salvation. Especially when, by example, he wore out his life in the service of the Lord.
@@livingmombirth4005 He didn’t just leave though…. He promised to remain with them until the end of the age. And He promised to send them the Holy Spirit, who descended on the Day of Pentecost. So with two of the three Persons of God literally and fully present with the Church… how could it fail? Did they abandon Jesus’ Bride? Or were they unable to guide and sustain Her?
@@RavensEaglePrivate revelation is not binding on the faithful. Big difference. Go read SDA statement of faith #18. Their faith is completely based on EGWs writings, visions and prophecies.
We Catholics have one Bible verse that actually DOES destroy Protestantism: "...the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth." 1 Timothy 3:15. The Church not scripture is the pillar and ground of the Truth. Period.
I have often been presented with the argument from Protestants that Jesus pointed to a rock on the ground and said, "On this rock I will build my church." If that is indeed the case, then where is that rock? We know where the Dome of the Rock is which dates back to Abraham 4,000 years ago. And we also have numerous relics and artifacts that date back to Jesus's time. So if there actually was a rock in which Jesus said he would build the entire Christian church on, that would be the most important rock in the universe. Don't you think someone would have put that rock in a safe place and eventually built a church or shrine around it? The fact there is no artifact anywhere that claims to be the rock Jesus pointed to tells me it never existed. And that is the best evidence of all that this story about Jesus pointing to a rock on the ground and vowing to build his church upon it is a gross misinterpretation of scripture.
I think an often overlooked point we Catholics always underuse is the Jewish implication of the phrase "binding and loosing". This was an actual authority given specifically to people ebtrusted with the duty to interpret Scriptures AUTHORITATIVELY. Kepha was given Asur ve-Matyr, he was given the Jewish authority of Midrash. He wasn't just given the authority to declare new doctrines but also to authoritatively interpret existing revelations. Furthermore, this authority did not end with the person's death in Jewish tradition, it was passed down through generations. In other words, Maran Isho M'shiha changed Simeon's name to Kepha and said that in this Kepha, he will build his Church. He then gave Kepha the authority of Asur ve-Matyr which is a divine authority to authoritatively interpret the Scriptures and this authority existed in the old covenant and was passed down from generations to generations.
Isiah ch 21 brings to the reader the role of the Al-Habayit which is that person holds the keys and manages the house of the King. It is this role that Jesus placed on Peter, and the Apostles would have instantly recognized this as they knew Isiah inside and out. Is this similar to the Asur ve-Matyr you are describing?
@@slanz1He gives both to Peter - the steward’s keys and the binding/loosing authority of the faith leaders. It goes with Jesus’s authority as King and High Priest - Peter is his second in command in authority and in interpreting.
He gave the authority to bind and loose to all the apostles. Matthew 18:18 [18] Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. So he gave these keys to all the apostles. Right.
@ dont confuse the two passages. In this verse, Jesus is referring to the Church’s authority as arbiter of the Truth. The Apostles are the chosen leaders of the Church Christ is establishing. Peter is the head of the church and the Apostles work to spread the Church. Again, Jesus is speaking to the Church’s authority, read the context from verse 15 on.
@ from my understanding, the keys and binding/loosing are given to Peter and binding/loosing is given to all the apostles. The Catholic magisterium has two forms it takes - the ordinary magisterium which is the universal agreement of all the bishops and theologians (binding/loosing to all apostles); and the extraordinary magisterium of ecumenical councils and papal official decree (a higher level of binding/loosing). In the Bible, the authority of teaching is given to presbyters/deaconois/episcopai (Hebrews 13?), but in Acts, we see those leaders defer to Peter in a council, after joint discussion and Peter’s final declaration. We understand this as a hierarchy. Where the Pope does not bind/loose, the Bishop has that authority. Where the bishop does not bind/loose, the priest has that authority. Where the Priest does not bind/loose, the individual or the head of the family is bound by conscience, but has no authority over any other. The higher authority does not intercede to bind unless there is a dispute below him that must be addressed.
Trent, you gotta stop skipping over Paul's letters to Timothy and Titus and going straight to Ignatius and Clement when making a brief case for apostolic succession.
They always argue that Jesus was making a distinction between the two phrases "you are Peter" and "on this rock." The structure of Jesus' statement is very clear that He was not making any distinction at all. Notice that Matthew used the conjunction "and" to connect the two phrases: "you are rock AND on this rock". If Jesus was making a distinction, it would have been proper to use the conjunction "but": "you are Peter BUT on this rock". But that is not the case. "And" is not used to make a distinction/contrast but to add something. Trent, I remember when you rebutted this Mr. Todd?(not sure if I remember the name correctly) on this same issue, he was arguing the same: Jesus was making a distinction. According to Mr. Todd?, Jesus was actually saying, "you are rock BUT on this rock". And that is exactly the point! If Jesus used "but" instead of "and" then they have a valid argument. But Jesus did not use "but" but "and" meaning He was not making a distinction at all.
Enough with religious lies from both ,Catholic and Protestants .... Judging one another and both with logs in their eyes. The rock is what Jesus told Him how He is going to build . ´´Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you,but My Father in Heaven´´ John 6 : 45 .... Heb 12: 25 ... Heb 8: 11“None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, 7 x Who have ears,let him hear what the Spirit say to the church (ES) Because God is done with unprofitable religions .. There is no more learning from flesh and blood... Who have ears,He will be ministered by the Spirit.. 2Co 3: 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 2Co 3: 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Mat 7: 24 “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: Mat 7: 25 “and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. Mat 7: 29 for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. So better sell all that religion have taught you,and follow Jesus,because what you have is worthless. Rev 3:18 “I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
Why do they always nitpick from The Bible to prove their points? Why is it always look at this verse and disregard what comes before or follows after? They're like those guys that were looking for "codes" in The Bible sometime ago! Thanks for the video brother! God Bless!
Pray for Greg to convert to Catholicism as he’s making fatal mistakes of interpreting Scripture for himself. St Peter warned against discerning Scripture for yourself as it leads to your destruction. Jesus Christ gave His authority and power, Doctrine, Sacraments, Gospel, Scripture and Sacred Traditions to His apostles and their direct successors, Catholic Priests. Only they have Gods authority to teach Gods Word, enact His Sacraments, Mass, cast out demons, heal, etc.
Peter is portrayed throughout the gospels as the dumbest and most emotionally unstable of the apostles. So to the extent the saying has any reality to it at all, Jesus probably meant you will see what my power can do to transform even this kind of idiot.
Hi trent, I was raised in a group called the two by twos myself. They don't accept the trinity. Recently a person I know in the two by twos religion said that a set, capitalized title, such as "Father" which is what priests are called in Orthodoxy and Catholicism, is different from a natural way of being or natural state of being. They claimed that Paul's "fatherhood" was just a way he acted towards those he led, but wasn't a set, and capitalized title. They claimed that the scripture saying "call no one Father" meant don't have capitalized, set titles like Orthodoxy and Catholicism have. They claimed that the way Paul used that wasn't the same thing as a set title. It seems like a semantics kind of argument but wonder what you think about this argument? Thank you!
Well just to help him out, I think people are often confused about papal infallibility. They think if Paul rebuked Peter, or if Peter denied Jesus, then he can’t be what Catholics think he is. Luckily, papal infallibility is much more limited! And ALL popes are sinners.
Can you explain? ..... IF THE BIBLE IS A CATHOLIC BOOK, THEN: Why does it condemn clerical dress? (Matt. 23:5-6; Luke 20:46). Why does the Bible teach against the adoration of Mary if the Bible is catholic? (Luke 11:27-28). Why does it show that all Christians are priests? (1 Pet. 2:5,9). Why does God's Word condemn the observance of special days if it's catholic? (Gal. 4:9-11). Why does the Bible teach that all Christians are saints if it's catholic? (1 Cor. 1:2). WHY is there no mention nor concept of a “pope” in God’s Word? If the Bible were truly catholic, WHY does it condemn the making and adoration of objects of worship, of graven images? (Ex. 20:4-5). WHY did the catholic church removed the 2nd commandment and then split the 10th commandment into 2 commandments? WHY does the Bible teach that baptism is immersion instead of sprinkling or pouring if the Bible is catholic? (Col. 2:12). If the Bible is truly catholic, WHY does it specifically forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9) If the Bible is truly catholic, WHY does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11). WHY does it address only God Himself as the "Holy Father"? (John 17:11) If the Bible is catholic, why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5). If the Bible is catholic, why is the Bible completely silent about infant baptism, indulgence$, purgatory, confession to priests, the rosary, scapula, novena, holy days of obligation, the mass, and many other things taught by the Catholic Church? If the Bible is catholic WHY is the drinking of blood (eucharist/transubstantiation) forbidden in both testaments? (Leviticus 17; Acts 15) If the Bible is catholic, why then did the pope put the Bible on the Index of forbidden books in the 12th century? The roman catholic cult murdered in cold blood millions who preserved the Scriptures, the Bible. The Waldensians were part of those murdered. The Waldensians were hunted down and murdered. The cult of rome knew that if the average, common man got hold of the Bible, they (Rome) would be out of business. During the inquisitions, the catholic church murdered 63 million people, all who refused to come under the illegitimate authority of the pope. The catholic church has never apologize because they are unrepentant. How can any sane person defend this evil? For this cause divine judgment is coming, in “one hour.” The catholic church is described in detail in Revelation 17 and her coming destruction is in Revelation 18.
This whole protestant polemic of "who is the rock" ignores the giving of the keys and the fact that Christ in this example spoke as a builder, not as a keystone, or bedrock, or anything else. Its just a coherent example. Even Paul called Peter "Kephas" in the original greek.
When I was in the process of deciding if I'd become a Catholic I was listening to CA and one of the guys said "Jesus didn't leave behind the Bible, He left behind the church". For 400 years we got along just fine without compiling the Scriptures so any argument from Sola Scriptura is immediately pointless. To be like the early church is to submit to Apostolic authority.
quote---"Jesus didn't leave behind the Bible, He left behind the church"....unquote What is "THE Church"?? A building?? Is a building to be Christ's bride??? A church ARE THE PEOPLE within it!!! ----John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. ... No one comes to the Father except through me. THAT is what Jesus claimed!! Now, since HE IS THE TRUTH, so when a church teaches what CONTRADICTS what Jesus taught, which one is THE TRUTH???? Man, or Jesus??? One or the other is a liar!!! If you claim Jesus is the liar, that throws OUT ALL the 4 Gospels!!! If you claim Jesus is God, that throws out ALL the Bible!! Now, you have NOTHING!!!
That is a typical straw man argument , just like a large enterprise cannot succeed , survive, or operate without a chain of command so it is with the church . Logic dictates that your idea of the Church would have meant No Bible massive Heresy and certainly Christianity's demise within the lifetime of the Apostles
@@Sentinal6405 quote--I am not Criticizing the bible at all ...unquote Oh, but you ARE!!! By telling me that what I quoted DIRECTLY from the bible are lies and MY interpretation!!! >>Quote---what I mean is your ideas are ludicrous...unquote Then QUOTE the bible and prove me wrong!!!! and NOT worthless opinions!!!
Jesus changed Simon's name (John 1:42) to Cephas (Aramaic for rock/stone), and he did it for a specific purpose, which is to later say in Matthew 16:18 that the Church would be built on Peter (petros). Interesting how Protestant's and others never want to tackle this issue about the name change.
@@cbooth151 Let St Jerome explain that to you: St Jerome of Stridon, Eastern monk who lived in the West (347 AD - 420 AD)* _”Yet, though your greatness terrifies me, your kindness attracts me. From the priest I demand the safe-keeping of the victim, from the shepherd the protection due to the sheep. Away with all that is overweening; _*_let the state of ROMAN MAJESTY withdraw. My words are spoken to the SUCCESSOR OF THE FISHERMAN, to the disciple of the cross. As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, THAT IS WITH THE CHAIR (“cathedra”) OF PETER. For this, I know, is the ROCK ON WHICH THE CHURCH is built (Matthew 16:18)! This is the house where ALONE the paschal lamb can be rightly eaten (Exodus 12:22). This is the Ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails_*_ (Genesis 7:23). But since by reason of my sins I have betaken myself to this desert which lies between Syria and the uncivilized waste, _*_I cannot, owing to the great distance between us, always ask of your sanctity the holy thing of the Lord. Consequently I here FOLLOW the Egyptian confessors WHO SHARE YOUR FAITH_*_ , and anchor my frail craft under the shadow of their great argosies. I know nothing of Vitalis; I reject Meletius; I have nothing to do with Paulinus. He that gathers not with you scatters; Matthew 12:30 he that is not of Christ is of Antichrist”_ (St Jerome, Letter 15 [to Pope St Damasus], par. 2).
@@cbooth151 Church doctrines based on revelation MUST have an authority. Without it, we end up with Protestantism. Can't people see this fact? Revelation becomes confusion when everyone is their own authority.
These Protestants apologists sound educated ,but they can't interprete a simple clear scripture " You are Cephas and on this Cephas ,I will build my church". Infact Jesus did not change Simon's name in Mathew16:19- but rather from the first time when he saw him , in John 1John 1:41-42. He did this for the purpose ,to come in Mathew 16:19. Okay, even if the Protestants refute the rock argument . Then let them explain to us to whom was the keys given ,because Jesus goes on and decrees " I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven and what you bind on earth will be bound in heaven " , was Jesus giving the keys to the confession or to Peter ?what about after the resurrection" Peter do you love me x3, feed my sheep ,feed my sheep ,feed my Lambs", this part in John is the overwhelming evidence to seal the Papacy . In this part Jesus consecrates Peter as the Bishop of Bishops and the laity ,who is the Pope today .PERIOD. JOHN1: [41]He first found his own brother Simon, and said to him, “We have found the Messiah” (which is translated, the Christ). [42]And he brought him to Jesus. Now when Jesus looked at him, He said, “You are Simon the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas” (which is translated, A Stone).
1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. 1 Timothy 4:1-5 How about this?
@@Dcm193 With all the evidence, I’d say you’re ignorant. The resurrection is the most proven historical event from millennia ago, with dozens of sources to back it up.
@@kashmirandal6282 all of the sources from where also when did all of these first hand accounts come from? Surely it wont be different even in every gospel
Actually dispensationalists among fundamentalist Protestants actually DO make a sharp dichotomy between Jesus' proclamation of the Kingdom (with requirement for righteousness to enter that Kingdom) and the Pauline gospel of grace (to the exclusion of all works, even keeping the Ten Commandments. Some dispensationalists even regard the Lord's Prayer as a Jewish prayer inappropriate for Christians, or even the Lord's Supper as not meant for Gentile Christians of the "Church Age" till Christ comes to establish the Jewish Millennium. Dispensationalists deny that the Church is the New Israel, the visible People of God under the New Covenant. Some dispensationalists even acknowledge that, if Jesus' gospel of the Kingdom is applicable to present-day Christians, then the Catholic understanding of faith and works in justification is correct. Of course, dispensationalism is the product of John Nelson Darby's sectarian imagination, but through the Scofield Reference Bible, it has acquired tremendous influence among fundamentalists. Just think of the success of the Left Behind books and also Dave Hunt's "A Woman Rides the Beast", attacking the Catholic Church as the Whore of Babylon for claiming to be the New Israel.
Dave Hunt lol 😂 the whore of Babylon is referred to in revelation. I've read it several times but nowhere do I see the words "vatican" or "Roman catholic church" so what about the Sola Scriptura doctrine 🤔
The one verse in the bible that destroys the protestant: John 6:53-58 So Jesus said to them, ‘Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live for ever.’
Drinking Blood ----Why were the Israelites not allowed to eat blood? Why is the eating of blood prohibited? We can find the answer here in Leviticus 17 and verse 11, and the Bible says: The life of every living thing is in the blood, and that is why the LORD has commanded that all blood be poured out on the altar to take away the people's sins. Blood, which is life, takes away sins. >>>Why does the Bible say not to take blood? The Bible indicates that blood is sacred because it represents life. The command not to eat blood can be found in both the Old and New Testaments (Gen 9:4; Lev 17:10-11,14; ,Deut 12:23 , and Acts 15:20) -----Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 14 “For the life of every creature is the blood of it;[a] therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature (a human IS A CREATURE!), for the life of every creature is its blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off. and Acts 15:20). (Humans are by definition both people and creatures- people, as they exhibit both sapience and sentience, and creatures, being of the kingdom animalia.) ----Genesis 9:4 Genesis 9:4 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition Deut 12:23 23 Only be sure that you do not eat the blood; for the blood is the life, and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.y you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. THAT VERSE DOES NOT SAY animals!!! >>>>Leviticus 17:10-11 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition Eating Blood Prohibited 10 “If any man of the house of Israel or of the strangers that sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people. 11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it for you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement, by reason of the life. DOES NOT SAY " ANIMALS"!!! Deuteronomy 12:23 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 23 Only be sure that you do not eat the blood; for the blood is the life, and you shall not eat the life with the flesh. DOES NOT SAY " ANIMALS"!!! .>>>Acts 15:20 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 20 but should write to them to abstain from the pollutions of idols and from unchastity and from what is strangled and from blood. DOES NOT SAY " ANIMALS"!!! Catholics WILL NOT read the WHOLE Story!!! John 6:63.... The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you-they are full of the Spirit and life. Life and Spirit!! NOT Flesh and blood.
Me just sitting here knowing Peter was the rock, the confession was the rock, and Peter lead the church in Jerusalem for many years and was pivotal in leading. I also am not catholic and do not necessarily accept the papal line of succession per se, but see the pros and cons of such a method, but also know the corruption of many popes and cardinals which led to changing or adding nonbiblical teachings through the years. I just take Scripture at its word, and believe in Christ and do my best to live by Christs word, having the Spirit change me as I humble myself to Him. For those who want me to give credence about my statement, i am not here to debate that. Just letting y'all know there are those of us out here not wanting to place myself under another 'ism' or denomination because of past traumas from being in calvinism for 10 years. (Btw, yes, I also acknowledge Theotokos, and extra Biblical sources, but do not hold extra biblical sources as equal to Scripture and give them much less weight.)
I believe that the early church fathers had arguments about these things. To debunk it today if you are a lone protestant pastor is just questionable. Roman Catholic Church has the whole history to trample these arguments.
I find it curious how the Protestant position on matters of Faith so often implies an unnecessary "this OR that", when it is perfectly possible and more coherent for it to be "this AND that" or "this BECAUSE of that".
I've noticed this too, and I think it's really obvious if you also follow the channel of Trent's (good natured) nemesis HowToBeChristian. For the protestant to make their case, they need a standard higher than "here's an interpretation of scripture that is consistent with my view on this issue" they need to be able to say that their interpretation is the only possible interpretation because they do not accept an authority other than scripture to judge between interpretations. But obviously they can't do that because among protestants they can't even agree on the right interpretation on scripture on a lot of things. In this way, protestant arguments are almost always at best a motte and bailey fallacy.
Is it really orthodox to say that the church’s most sacred doctrine is about Peter? (I’m referencing the title of Joe’s book) For example, that doctrine is more sacred than the deity of Christ?
Another way to look at this as what eventuated. Whatever the “rock” is, (and I reckon it was Peter too) it certainly isn’t the 7th Day Adventists, officially established in 1863 according to Wikipedia. Whereas each Roman Catholic Bishop and Pope has been ordained by predecessors from Peter on. There is a direct lineage with no breaks.
It is no surprise that a Catholic Apologist would defend the teachings of his Church. I welcome the admission that the Church is built on the rock - the confession that Jesus is the Christ . Of course the Church is built on the Christ, the one sent by God as his messiah, his beloved Son and not on an imperfect sinful human, Peter. The question was asked why change Simon's name in the first place ? The answer is of course that there was another Apostle called Simon (Mark 3 :18). It is one thing to argue for Apostolic authority, it is quite another to argue that Peter had a role above that of the other Apostles. No one doubts the important role Peter played in the early Church and the fact that he was used to witness to gentiles. Unfortunately, we have little real data on many of the other Apostles and exactly what they did or accomplished. The argument that the Bishop of Rome had primacy is not completely evident in the earliest Christian writings . The head of the main churches were also called 'popes' and there appears to have been rivalry between these leaders.
*_The question was asked why change Simon's name in the first place ? The answer is of course that there was another Apostle called Simon (Mark 3 :18)._* There where also 2 James and 2 Judas, why didn't Jesus change their names?
What a silly argument. Why does Jesus pray specifically for Peter and for his faith, so that he may strengthen his brethren? Peter very clearly has primacy over the Apostles and is made distinct by Christ himself.
@@Matt-1926 : We simply don't have the data to answer that question. But the Apologist did admit that the Church was built on the confession that Jesus was the Christ. The church is built on Jesus, not Peter. There is no question that Peter was a leading Apostle according to the record of Acts and was given the task of using the keys of the kingdom, opening the doors to gentiles. However, we simply don't have the scriptural evidence to support the claims that were used in later centuries.
From a son of Mary to another son of Mary, of course, in the family of the redeemed in Christ. Brothers correct each other. Trent, thanks for being clear, logical, and charitable. Amen brother 👍
Trent, you made a great video on the "you're wrong so I'm right" fallacy, but this video falls at least somewhat with in this context. Your response really only works if you are coming to the table with the assumption that Peter is the pope. It is not enough to rebut this claim but you need to make your own positive case. Scripture does say that it contains everything for salvation, not just scripture but John states that everything required for salvation can be found within his words in John 20:30-31
Now I understand (as a new Catholic) why authority is so important.
Greg's misinterpretation of the word is deceiving and could lead people away from the one true faith.
AWESOME!!!!!
This is what give us consolation. The Lord is protecting and guiding His Church. Our job as laity is not too complicated!!!!!
Sola scriptura = self interpretation to the point there’s thousands of denominations today with different theology and beliefs. 🤦🏻♂️
Matthew 23:9
@@Dcm193 St. Paul calls Himself a spiritual father. Thinking God contradicts St. Paul? Abandon the Bible entirely, forget about St. Paul’s letters to Ephesus, Corinth, Rome, and so on, because he can’t be trusted.
@@bluejasmin8424 How would you describe the "one true faith"? How does one achieve it? It's beginning?
2:20 “Jesus loved puns.”
I see: the Son brought the Dad jokes.
This needs more liked
Lolololol i'm grinning from ear to ear. Thanks and may God bless you!!
Most underrated comment in all of yt history.
Thank you for this comment
So true!!!!😂😂❤❤❤
"DESTROYS" and "THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS" tells me enough. No need to debunk it.
Yep, basic click bait. I'm surprised he didn't "sshhh"with his finger in the thumbnail.
@@coreyczechhe had the pope do it lol
@@Rocky-ur9mn how did I miss that😂
The world of Protestant UA-cam.
Catholic apologists on YT do this as well..
I mean, it literally blows my mind the argument took ~1500 years to discover.
That was God’s plan? To allow the Apostles to, “get it wrong” for a millennia and a half? Only to have Martin Luther (not Jesus) course correct it?
Without even opening my Bible, it already makes zero sense.
Most of these arguments make no sense. They are meant as quick sound bites and click bait. No theologian would ever take these things seriously, they are refuted quite easily.
That’s a good point, but I don’t think holds much weight because it took just as long if not longer for Gods people to understand the Old Testament, and it took Jesus to come to show how the law was to be understood
I agree with you. Then again, Satan was the very first protestant.
It literally blows my mind that it took 1900 years for it to be written into dogma if its so obvious. OH wait. it was rejected by 4 of the 5 original churches. It didn't take 1500 years.. it was rejected right from the start of its insidious beginnings. The only one to agree that Rome had all these extra powers was... oh surprise... Rome itself. Trent plays a double standard card here. He says the other guy has to prove Peter himself isn't the rock Jesus was referring to. Why? It's on Trent and other to prove this fact.
@@emczdt The reason God set the Jews apart was to bring about the coming of the Savior. It took many generations for God's working with the Jewish people to bear fruit. Jesus is the culmination of Judaism. God cultivating a people for two thousand years in order to become the font of salvation for the whole world is not the same as The Church of which, Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail, getting it wrong (i.e. the gates of hell prevailing) for 1500+ years.
cephas (kepha) in aramaic does not mean "little rock" it means ROCK
That goes hard
@@tiger-rgn Is Petra the same as Petros?
@@Nolongeraslave As explained in the video, yes. By the time the New Testament was written, Petros and Petras were used interchangeably outside of things like poetry.
It's not just a rock. It's a boulder!
@@Nolongeraslave thats greek bro but like explained in the video its the same yeah peter is a male so in greek it has to be a masculine proper name,
either way i am talking about aramaic (wich is my mother tongue)
jesus in the syriac bible (aramaic) says you are KEPHA, and on this KEPHA i will build my church
but if you think aramaic bibles (with codexes as old as any greek manuscripts btw) still aint good enough:
EVEN IN THE GREEK BIBLES PETER'S NAME GIVEN BY JESUS IS CEPAS (TRANSLITERATION OF KEPHA) so the protestant argument is fallacious at best
The Catholic Church uses the whole Bible, not just one verse here and there.
Well said. Protestants (and I used to be one) love to cherry pick verses they agree with and completely ignore verses that go against their beliefs.
Underrated statement 🎉
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Scripture needs to be read as a whole. Not cherry picking verses and blowing them out of context.
@nickw9766 exactly
A Protestant, a Catholic and an Orthodox walk into a diner. They are seated and handed the menu. The menu only has bread and wine says the protestant. The Catholic says good and orders bread and wine. The Orthodox says good, and orders wine and bread. The Protestant meanwhile studies the menu meticulously. Once the order arrives both The Catholic and Orthodox say a prayer, cross themselves and eat their meal. The Protestant looks at them in disdain and starts eating the menu....
What?
I think the menu is referring to the bible and the bread and wine refers to the Eucharist. As Scott Hahn famously said, Protestants read the menu while Catholics eat the meal.
Whats unclear? @@neoromanempire
This is good but I have a shorter version.
A Catholic and a Protestant walk into a bar.
The Catholic orders an old-fashioned.
The Protestant asks for a menu.
I would correct that and add a Lutheran together with the Catholic and Orthodox.
Can't believe people are still trying to make the petros/petra argument. I learned the difference between having to use masculine and feminine denotations of words 40 years ago in foreign language class.
I was thinking the same thing!
Can you go into more detail? Why would Jesus switch between the masculine and feminine denotations in the same sentence?
I am curious. Thanks!
@ Jesus didn’t. It was the translation that caused the difference. If you watch the video Trent explains that Jesus said “Kefas” (which is Aramaic for rock) both times. I hope this helps :)
@ Thanks, that helps. So my question is why did the translation then use the different ways of saying rock? Trent mentioned that perhaps it is because Jesus likes to use puns. Would that be the case?
@@gfujigo Since Greek names tended to use masculine endings for men, Petros was an appropriate name form, while petra remained feminine as usual. Hope that helps.
I was tempted to say that you nailed it "as usual". But this was in some way even better than the usual. Great presentation and clarity. Thank u for this much needed work. God bless
I don't know why people make that type of petros/petra argument. Make it seem like Peter is competing with Jesus to be the main foundation.
Also, why do Protestants separate Peter’s confession from Peter? If his confession is the foundation, that makes Peter the foundation since he made the confession.
His confession literally made him into Peter, He and his confession are inseparable
This argument could be construed as a type of Nestorianism.
If Peter's confession of faith can be separated from Peter the person, is there a person of Peter with faith (who makes the confession) and one without faith (who doesn't)?
In what other instances can and has a confession been separated from the confessor?
I think their point with separating his confession from him is that Jesus is saying “all people’s confessions are the foundation of the Church”, keeping in mind the warped Protestant definition of “the Church” as simply being “all true believers”
It’s just anything to not be Catholic
Why do catholics insist on acting like all protestants believe the same thing? Plenty of protestants believe that the rock references Peter, and even that Peter had a special role. But this is far cry from the papacy.
Well said. I find it ironic when Seventh Day Adventists accuse us of not worshipping Jesus since they believe He is the Archangel Michael. Their “prophetess” also said that Jesus was made equal to the Father in front of the angels. Additionally, some of their founders were Arians.
These were my thoughts exactly. As soon as he said SDA I did not need to hear anything else.
I think you mean Jehovah's Witnesses
@@StoaoftheSouth Both JW and SDA's come from Millerism so there's some overlap. And yes, some do believe Jesus is Michael, or rather Michael is Jesus.
Jesus is Michael? Did they get their theology from Muslims and just change Jibreel with Michael?😅😂
@@StoaoftheSouthnope, SDAs believe Jesus is Michael but they disagree with the JW on Jesus being created.
SDA theology claims Jesus incarnated as an angel to try and save the apostate angels but they all rejected him. When he did this he “became Michael the archangel.”
“The eternal Word gave Himself. He did not aspire to be equal with God, “did not meditate a usurpation” of the throne of the universe (see Phil. 2:5-7 ARV), but He emptied Himself, gave Himself, then and there, for sinners. He took the form of a servant, becoming an angel among the angels that He might redeem angels; but they would not. And when they rejected the righteousness and life so freely offered, He descended lower still to those duped by Satan-fallen man-stooping even to death, that He might redeem of the fallen all who desired to be redeemed, and vindicate to the universe to all eternity the character of God.
That was the work of the Word of God, the eternal Logos, when He became Michael the Archangel, when He became Jesus the Man of Nazareth, when He was anointed the Christ, when He died our Sacrifice on Calvary. Yet during all this time the hosts of evil, with all the baleful, deceptive, cruel devices of sin, were hurled against Him, that God’s character might be marred, that the great Vindicator-Redeemer might fall.”-Signs of the Times, June 6, 1911
And this is merely one of countless quotes I could show you.
In 1st. Century Greek, Petros meant Rock.
He confirmed it by calling Simon with the Aramaic name Kepha, transliterated as Cephas, which means Rock.
SDA is trying to falsify the Roman Catholic Church by false arguments. But many of them didn't realize that their founder EGW pronounced that she is a false prophet. She wrote it in her own book.
quote---SDA is trying to falsify the Roman Catholic Church by false arguments....unquote
FACT: I CAN PROVE per the HOLY BIBLE OVER 98% of catholic dogmas (The English word ‘ordinances’ in the Greek is Strong’s G1378, δόγμασιν/dogmasin, from the root word δοκέω/dokeó, Strong’s G1380. Thayer’s Greek Lexicon states this to mean: to be of opinion, think, suppose to .
Each cognate of dokeó, such as ‘dogmasin’, stresses “the subjective mental estimate or opinion about a matter”.
Dogmas--to be of opinion, think, suppose
This Greek word is where we get the English word ‘dogma’. Webster’s Dictionary concurs with the definition of the word ‘dogmasin’: DOGMA, noun [Gr., to think; Latin ] A settled opinion; a principle, maxim or tenet; a doctrinal notion, particularly in matters of faith and philosophy; as the dogmas of the church; the dogmas of Plato.
The Greek word ‘1378 dogmasin’ is used only 5 times in the New Testament; )
ARE NOT Biblical!!!!
>>>>What does the Catholic Catechism say about the Sabbath?
CCC#2171 God entrusted the Sabbath to Israel to keep as a sign of the irrevocable covenant. The sabbath is for the Lord, holy and set apart for the praise of God, his work of creation, and his saving actions on behalf of Israel.
--THAT in itself says the Sabbath IS "as a sign of the irrevocable covenant."!!!!
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"an irrevocable step"!
So, did God Lie????? THAT IS STATED in the CCC#2171.
----Isaiah 58:13-14 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
13 If you refrain from trampling the Sabbath,
from pursuing your own interests on MY HOLY DAY;
if you call the Sabbath a delight
and the HOLY DAY of the Lord honorable;
if you honor it, not going your own ways,
serving your own interests, or pursuing your own affairs;[a]
14 then you shall take delight in the Lord,
and I will make you ride upon the heights of the earth;
I will feed you with the heritage of your ancestor Jacob,
for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.
READ THAT L:AST LINE AGAIN!!!
Unless you want to insist God is a liar!!!!
SDA doesn't need to do anything; the Catholic church justifies their false argument with the CCC.
Do you know the book’s name or have the quotation?
Can you explain?
..... IF THE BIBLE IS A CATHOLIC BOOK, THEN: Why does it condemn clerical dress? (Matt. 23:5-6; Luke 20:46). Why does the Bible teach against the adoration of Mary if the Bible is catholic? (Luke 11:27-28). Why does it show that all Christians are priests? (1 Pet. 2:5,9). Why does God's Word condemn the observance of special days if it's catholic? (Gal. 4:9-11). Why does the Bible teach that all Christians are saints if it's catholic? (1 Cor. 1:2). WHY is there no mention nor concept of a “pope” in God’s Word? If the Bible were truly catholic, WHY does it condemn the making and adoration of objects of worship, of graven images? (Ex. 20:4-5). WHY did the catholic church removed the 2nd commandment and then split the 10th commandment into 2 commandments? WHY does the Bible teach that baptism is immersion instead of sprinkling or pouring if the Bible is catholic? (Col. 2:12). If the Bible is truly catholic, WHY does it specifically forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9) If the Bible is truly catholic, WHY does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11). WHY does it address only God Himself as the "Holy Father"? (John 17:11) If the Bible is catholic, why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5). If the Bible is catholic, why is the Bible completely silent about infant baptism, indulgence$, purgatory, confession to priests, the rosary, scapula, novena, holy days of obligation, the mass, and many other things taught by the Catholic Church? If the Bible is catholic WHY is the drinking of blood (eucharist/transubstantiation) forbidden in both testaments? (Leviticus 17; Acts 15) If the Bible is catholic, why then did the pope put the Bible on the Index of forbidden books in the 12th century? The roman catholic cult murdered in cold blood millions who preserved the Scriptures, the Bible. The Waldensians were part of those murdered. The Waldensians were hunted down and murdered. The cult of rome knew that if the average, common man got hold of the Bible, they (Rome) would be out of business. During the inquisitions, the catholic church murdered 63 million people, all who refused to come under the illegitimate authority of the pope. The catholic church has never apologize because they are unrepentant. How can any sane person defend this evil? For this cause divine judgment is coming, in “one hour.” The catholic church is described in detail in Revelation 17 and her coming destruction is in Revelation 18.
1 Corinthians 3 tells us a lot, verse 7 sticks out as very important for everyone to remember, “So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.”
"Classic". ~Trent Horn
Former Adventist here. Not Catholic but I have a deep respect for the Church of Rome. I appreciate your ministry and I especially love when you go after the CNN fake news style theology that is Adventism.
Protestant here: I always hate it when any side thinks that "1 verse" is going to DESTROY another denomination of Christianity
I agree. Until you can provide credible evidence for your gods existence all other arguments are moot.
@@TboneWTF good point. Literally tens of thousands of eye-witness accounts of miracles, interactions with God, angels & demons, and paranormal experiences throughout recorded history are clearly not evidence. Nor are physical artifacts like the shroud of Turin, the Guadalupe shawl, hundreds of Eucharistic miracles, etc evidence either. Even miraculous events like thousands of people witnessing the sun dancing across the Fatima sky with a picture of it in the newspaper the next day doesn’t count as evidence either.
Until some evidence can be provided, all other arguments are moot.
There not Christians, there Catholic.
Bravo!!!! Another Apologist to look up to. Continue defending the One True Church!!!
Why do you think god is real? Thank you.
quote---Bravo!!!! Another Apologist to look up to. Continue defending the One True Church!!!...unquote
That contradicts Jesus!!!
John 10 -
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 17 ...
--So, who's right?? Jesus?--Or "The Church"?
@@mitchellosmer1293 Both. They don't contradict.
@@StringofPearls55 FACTS:
#1--Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?)
#2--Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?)
#3--Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator?
#4--Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?)
#5--Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?)
#6--Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?)
#7--Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?)
#8--Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?)
#9--Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers
#10--Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?)
#11--Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?)
#12--Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins
#13--Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church
#14--Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?)
#15--Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?)
#16--Christ never said to confess your sins to a priest
John 14:6 New International Version -
And yes, IT MUST be IN the Bible!! Jesus said: Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. ... No one comes to the Father except through me.."
So, when a church teaches what contradicts what Jesus taught, which one is the truth??? If you say the church is right, that means Jesus is a liar!!! That erases ALL the 4 gospels!!! That leaves out ALL of Matt 16!! Along with that. you insist Jesus is God, then that implies God is liar. That erases ALL the Bible!!
If you say Jesus is right, that means the church has lied!!! IT CAN NOT be both right!!!
The bottom line is, the Messiah kept the Law perfectly, and we are to walk as he walked according to the Scriptures at 1 John 2:4-6. Those who do not follow Messiah’s footsteps are workers of lawlessness according to the Messiah himself.
Kindly refute these FACTS with book, chapter and numbered verse FROM the Bible.
Answer however many as you want!!! ONLY Book, chapter and number of the verse!!! No need to quote the verse or explain it!!!
Where does it say sola scriptura in the Bible?
@@mitchellosmer1293No matter who explains this to you, you will never accept. Because you believe your own interpretation. Watch Trent's Videos with an open mind instead of running here and there with your evangelical quack.
This protestant proves that the letter kills and the Spirit gives life! The Holy Spirit dwells in the Catholic Church since 33AD!!
You are the same as the rest of the denomination. The only difference is how hard you are meme’d for touching little boys .
The Holy Spirit dwells in the heart of every believer.
You're saying it was the Holy Spirt that told us to worship and pray to Mary, and eat and drink the body and blood of Christ despite the Father saying we are not to drink blood.
@@sammygomes7381so your saying Jesus contradicts the father then? Because Jesus clearly commands to drink his literal blood. The disciples question this and he doubles down. Drinking Christs blood isn’t the same as drinking blood for a mealtime, he literally commands us to in the Bible.
Also we don’t worship Mary, don’t lie about us please, because that’s not a gift of the spirit
@@bikesrcool_1958 My friend, either Christ contradicted and disobeyed the Father, or someone is teaching a false doctrine. See the apostles also forbid the drinking of blood in Acts 15 it is safe to say Christ is being misunderstood. If one also understood Jewish thought, it would help. In Jewish thought, bread was equated with the Torah, and "eating of it" was reading and understanding the covenant of God
If Catholics don't worship Mary could you explain who this goddess and idol is in the following statement as there is no such person in the word of God. Catechism of the Catholic church 966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death." The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians: In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.
Never get tired of watching your videos! Great job!
How on Earth can someone read the passage and interpret it as "You're rock, and on this other completely different rock I'll build my Church".
To top it off they'll probably add "and the powers of hell will conquer over it up until the 1500's".
@@eucharistenjoyer Actually 1054 & the Great Schism.
@@bobinindiana That's what orthobros think.
I have a question how can you read this verse and say the church is built on Peter when the whole conversation is about who Jesus is.
A church not built on Jesus is not a church of Jesus Christ , right.
Even the CCC says the church was built on The confession of who Jesus was not that Peter was called the rock.
@@ThatGuy-nr5sp You answered your own question, the examples you brought are non exclusive. The problem with Protestants is that they will take any interpretation BUT the ones that agree with Catholic dogma, and they'll do as much mental gymnastics to accomplish that.
@ Good question! This video wants to stir up religious hatred over the Reformation in my opinion.
Those verses that “destroy” Catholicism often destroy protestantism in actuality
That is a good point. Problem is hearing and seeing the Truth of it.
Bible box is absolute crap as well catholics who think Jesus ment to say built the catholic church on peter the rock hahahahahaa....idiots
@@poetmaggie1And that is why we have the Magisterium to help aid us in understanding the scriptures.
I disagree the verse Protestants say the church is built is that Peter confessed that Jesus was the messiah. Jesus being the christ is what the church is built on is it not. The CCC 424 says it was peters confession of faith the church was built on . What was his faith and confession in.
There are other verses that say the foundation is Jesus , the foundation is the apostles and the prophets. What about them makes them part of the foundation. There confession of Christ also. did the prophets Prophesi about Peter.
There is not one scripture that says Peter is the foundation of the church. Or the church is built on .
Like Trent said one has to prove that Peter is not the rock Jesus is referring to , but I think you have to prove Peter was the rock Jesus was talking about. The whole conversation was about who everyone thought Jesus was not Peter. When Jesus told the apostles not to tell anyone what they spoke of was he saying to the apostles do not let anyone know the church would be on Peter or was Jesus saying don’t tell anyone who I am. The Rock that was the topic in this conversation was Jesus
@@ThatGuy-nr5sp Please watch the video again. Yes Jesus is the ultimate rock the Church but He is not the only foundation the Church is built upon. Even many Protestant fathers and Protestants today disagree with your claim that Peter isn’t the rock in Matthew 16:18 and that he wasn’t given divine authority.
And this body is not divided by the things of this world..... including denominations.
To be deep in God breathed scripture is to cease to be Protestant.
❤
Depends, is the protestant a Christian?
@TheCounselofTrent
Sigh. As a Protestant, I was just trying to have ONE lovely catholic-free day, Trent. Just ONE!
Guess I'll try again tomorrow, because apparently I'm a glutton for punishment. 🙃
This was very thorough, yet concise. I appreciate the work you do and the Protestant sources you draw from.
Keep challenging us!
Why don’t you want to convert?
@@quiqueglass6738 Most probably just stubbornness, as 99% of protestants that refuse to stop being protestants. Pride is a _female dog._
Come home and swim the Tiber!
Prots showing their disdain for a church which has been around far longer than Lutherians have existed
"Protestant sources you draw from" - Prots who use the bible that catholics put together
What's preventing your conversion?
If Greg was honest, he would have to admit that the church he belongs to is not the one that Jesus built...
Our Lord Jesus Christ spoke Aramaic! Jn.1:42; "You are Simon, son of John, your name SHALL BE CEPHAS"...Not Petros/Petras as Protestants claim!
Right! My people still speak a dialect of Aramaic and can confirm the word for rock is keppah
Where in your Bible did Jesus call Peter a pope?
@@cbooth151lol 40000 denominations 😂
Jn.21:17; "Simon spn of John, do you love me? Peter was grieved because Jesus asked him the THIRD time" Jesus commanded Peter to Feed my Sheep, my Lambs, Tend my Sheep. AND, the Bible which was produced by the One and ONLY Catholic Church under; POPE Damasus in 382A.D contains TWO EPISTLES from the First Pope, (Peter). You can deny it but the Catholic Church has ALL the documentation/list of all the Popes from Peter to the present one! On the other hand, your (Pope Martin Luther, Father of Protestantism) Successors were John Calvin, Zwingli, etc, etc, etc, to over 70,000 now.
It doesn’t even matter. If Petros was used that means specifically referring to a boulder or “rock.” To refer to smaller stones during that time period was the word “lithos”. This guy can’t even get basic facts straight. Secondly from Aramaic the word is Kefa/Cephas
🤣 The protestant heresy about Petros and Petra is rampant! Anyone who uses this argument to claim that Petros is a small rock and that petra is a big Rock knows nothing about Greek names! In Greek, the Greek names have gender specific grammar, for example: Alexios (Αλέξιος) and Alexa (Αλεξία) notice how male names end with "OS" and female names end with "A". In fact, there is not a single Greek name for males that end with "A" and I will give you 1 million dollars if you can find one! Examples of these are the well known and common Greek names for males and females respectively:
Alexandros (Αλέξανδρος) and Alexandra (Αλεξάντα)
Angelos (Άγγελος) and Angela (Άντζελα)
Adelphos (Αδελφός) and Adelpha (Αδελφά)
Agathos (Αγάθος) and Agatha (Αγκάθα)
Alandros (Άλανδρος) and Alandra (Αλάνδρα)
Theodoros (Θεόδωρος) and Theodora (Θεοδώρα)
Demetrios (Δημήτριος) and Demetria (Δημήτρια)
Augustos (Αύγουστος) and Augusta (Αυγούστα)
Linos (Λίνος) and Lina (Λίνα)
Anastasios (Αναστάσιος) and Anastasia (Αναστασία)
Petros (Πέτρος) and Petra (Πέτρα)
For example, suppose Jesus had given Simon the nickname "messenger", how will the Greek language translate this nickname? Will Simon get the Greek name Angela? or will Simon get the name Angelos? Obviously Simon would get the name "Angelos" because he is a male! Nobody will dare call Simon "Angela."
The Greek text will never have called Simon as: "And I tell you that you are Angela...."
The same thing applies to the other names:
The Greek text will never have called Simon as: "And I tell you that you are Alexandra (Αλεξάντα)
The Greek text will never have called Simon as: "And I tell you that you are Alexa (Αλεξία)
The Greek text will never have called Simon as: "And I tell you that you are Anastasia (Αναστασία)
The Greek text will never have called Simon as: "And I tell you that you are Petra (Πέτρα)
The protestants are pure madness!
The Greek text will use the correct GENDER for the person:
The Greek text uses the correct GENDER and the translator would have called Simon as: "And I tell you that you are Alexandros (Αλέξανδρος)
The Greek text uses the correct GENDER: "And I tell you that you are Alexios (Αλέξιος)
The Greek text uses the correct GENDER: "And I tell you that you are Anastasios (Αναστάσιος)
The Greek text uses the correct GENDER: "And I tell you that you are Petros (Πέτρος)
Most protestants are from English speaking countries where you do not have gender specific words. These protestants are preaching 2 lies in one! They butcher the Greek language and preach a false gospel from the one Jesus and the apostles preached for 2000 years! For 2000 years the gospel in Matthew 16:18 has said: "And I tell you that you are rock and on this rock I will build my church..."
As simple as that!
I made this argument on X to a random troll and I don't think his brain allowed him to process it. I believe he buffered irl.
I remember Greg had an older anti Catholic video, where he edited in the most over the top scare music which made it almost comical.
His blank stare and static face made it even better hahahahhaha
Lol 😂 yeah I remember that one
Which shows how credible they are, they literally manipulate their viewers
That was the first Trent video I ever watched. That poor 7DA dude is laughably dense and Trent absolutely wrecked his little accusations
Greg Sereda, the SDA guy of Bible Flock Box seems like an 'AI' generated person. I'm going to have to check it out to make sure. His arguments are pathetically weak. Trent, as always, answers everything thoroughly and with sincerity. Nice work Trent!
6:57 is such a bad argument from the Protestant 😅. No one denies that Peter was the first bishop of Rome, except for a crazy 16th century German monk and the Protestants that came after him. Even us Eastern Orthodox recognise Peter as the first Bishop of Rome (he was also the first bishop of the Church of Antioch), however, we just disagree with the extent of authority that the bishop of Rome possesses. Although, this doesn't actually appear to be a big disagreement anymore like it used to in the past, considering the Vatican Chieti Document.
It's always comforting to see a kind brother in Christ. I pray our churches can unify together once more. I don't know how we could do it, but it would be wonderful if we could find a way to reunify.
Bible box is absolute crap as well catholics who think Jesus ment to say built the catholic church on peter the rock hahahahahaa....idiots
The “Jesus’ words only” note reminds me of Jeremy Fragrance (the number 1 fragrance icon who follows the teaching of Jesus) who has a “Bible” that are ONLY Jesus’ words
So he has just a book with Jesus quoted and nothing else
@ Yep! Not even “then he said” or anything like that. It’s fairly unreadable, but I can’t say there’s never a place for it, I’m sure it would be great for meditations, lectio divina, etc
@@MotherLovingChristian without the context of the sayings, those might be pretty much incomprehensible.
@ Agreed!
Seventh-Day Adventism has so many dubious beliefs, built on Millerite nonsense and topped with Ellen G. White’s claims, that for an Adventist to be as smug about his beliefs as this chap seems to be is strange, though consistent with our fallen human nature…
He's a whippersnapper going after the big dawg. Give him time.
Most adventists are smug and believe we Catholics are going to hell for not falling their women false prophet
Brilliant response! God bless!
Although I have many disagreements with the Catholics, this guy has NO right to talk considering that the SDA thinks you’re required to worship on Saturday.
What are your disagreements?
@@VivatChristusRex99 sda think they are still under the old covenant laws of Moses. That's why they still try to observe a covenant God never made with them. In fact it is impossible today to even observe Exodus 31:16-17. Yet the sda still try to observe this covenant that was made between God and the children of Israel forever throughout their generations.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha no I mean what is the OP’s disagreement with Catholics
SDAs are merely applying sola Scriptura and the "right" to private judgement that always goes along with it.
@@tonyl3762That right is always accompanied by skipping right past Acts 8:30-31 and ignoring 2 Peter 3:16.
A very good explanation again. Thank you Trent.
I always pray the Holy Rosary for the heavenly graces, miracles, blessings, and protection that I become a successful Catholic Social Media Influencer to spread the teachings and Revelations of the Catholic Church and the entire Christendom. I hope and pray the Devotion to the Eucharist and the Holy Souls in Purgatory helps me.
Memo: there is no purgatory and rosaries were never used by true Christians.
@TriciaPerry-mz7tc Trivia: Peter the Apostle of Christ is the First Pope of the Catholic Church and St. Evodius of Antioch invented the word Christian
"We shall build our faith on Jesus Christ only" meanwhile the Father and the Holy Spirit:
Trent COOKED with this one
No, he didn't. It's circular reasoning.....the church leaders say this is true....so it is true.
@@21divel That and y'know majority of history.
@@Cklert You mean the brutal deletion and torture of people starting back in the 12 century, the burning of bibles, the selling of indulgences and the current child diddling and cover up? Yeah I know enough.
As soon as I saw the thumbnail I thought, “Wait, is that the guy who said there are 30 Hail Mary’s in a rosary? 😂 No debunk needed, credibility is already gone.”
ST. BERNARD (1090-1153) to Pope Eugenius:
“What profit does the flock derive from magnificent pageants, with you, the supreme shepherd of the flock advancing majestically in gilded clothing? Do you think that Saint Peter loved to surround himself with this pomp and display, or Saint Paul? No. In all things that belong to earthly magnificence, you have succeeded not Peter, but the Emperor Constantine!”
1:08 A boulder is enormous and immovable? SpongeBob would disagree
That's not just a boulder, it's a rock. The pioneers used to ride those babies for miles.
Ahh but it was a boulder until SpongeBob said the words of consecration: “it’s a rock.” Then the boulder was transubstantiated into a rock.
@@Sousabird And it's a great shape.
These last four commentaries were one of the greatest dialogues I've ever read lmao
In Jerusalem, where the Temple once stood, is a Mosque called The Dome of the Rock. The rock in question was once part of the inner, most sacred part of the Temple. It was believed to have been the core rock on which the entire earth was created around, the rock where God created Adam, the rock upon which Abraham offered Issac. It was the resting place of the Ark of the Covenant. It was considered the foubdation stone of the Temple. Is it possible that when Jesus refers to Peter as the rock on which i will build my church He is referring to Peter as this rock? He did promise that he would destroy the Temple and rebuild it in 3 days. Did Jesus see this new church as the new rebuilt Temple, and Peter as the "new" rock?
NOPE
Getting my popcorn, these types of Protestants are usually good for a laugh.
Why? Your Catholic church is built on traditions of men, bad doctrines and paganism.
Great work!
"stand the test of time" is a very funny and ironic phrase from an SDA whose system of relief is only a couple hundred years old compared to Catholicism which can be traced back historically and continuously to the 1st century with Clement and Ignatius as the video shows.
It is not even a couple hundred years old. If we let it start with Miller (who had lot conceived the SDA specialities yet) it is only 180 years.
Peter was never the head of the The Way, the movement Jesus left behind.
All the contemporary sources confirm this, Acts, Paul's epistles, and Josephus. They all place James, not Peter, at the top. Furthermore, "church" does not mean a religious movement. The Greek means just an assembly of people.
@@ji8044 Such absurd claims, I wonder if this is even worth my time.... The first 12 chapters of Acts show Peter as the undisputed leader of "the movement Jesus left behind," which is first called the Way in Acts 9. Peter silences the debate in Acts 15. Paul first consults with Peter/Cephas after his conversion before any of the other Apostles (Gal 1:18). James' leadership is confined to Jerusalem in all sources; Peter's leadership is universal/worldwide/catholic, taking all sources into account.
Haven't even talked about the clear evidence from the gospels and the early Church fathers of the 1st and 2nd centuries....
The gospel of Matthew and Paul's letters speak of "the Church" as one unified institution with a hierarchical leadership. One need not and should not assume that the Apostles and first Christians used the same Greek words in exactly the same sense as pagans. One should look to the Jewish sense, which also had authoritative leaders.
I enjoyed morning Mass today. Carry on in Christ. All else is secondary.
1,991 year old Church that Christ established when people say ONE verse from the Bible that same Church compiled and distributed supposedly destroys said Church:
“Oh no! Anyway.”
Also: “Visible Confusion.”
Funny how he forgot matthew 23:9
@@Dcm193 He was talking in reference to gentiles.
It is obvious that in Matthew 16:18 Jesus is referring to Peter's confession and the revelation from God that was imbedded in it. It really is the only way to make sense of Jesus' words, "on this rock".
Matthew 16:17-20, Petra/petros was rarely used differently. Mainly in poetry. Tell me, if Christ wanted to rename Peter “small rock” as a joke, why not use “lithos”? And in John 1:42, Christ named Peter Cephas meaning rock. In Paul’s epistles Peter is called Cephas. Jesus was most likely speaking Aramaic when he was building his church upon Peter. Many Protestant scholars admit that Petra and petros was used interchangeably
Albert Barnes, John Broadus, Herman Ridderbos, R. T. France, J. Knox Chamblin, Craig L. Blomberg
@@ChristianEncyclopaedia The actual usage in the NT suggest a petra is a real rock receiving the action of an implied petros.
Excellent! As a Latter-day Saint, I couldn't agree more with your analysis. Jesus actually organized his servants before He left this earth.
Also, recently I began a study of Jesus's directives in the New Testament. I've been impressed that He is constantly challenging his listeners to do more, to overcome their own mortal weaknesses, and to stretch themselves to the "measure of the stature of [his] Fullness."
I appreciate you bringing up that side note. If Paul talks of the race he runs, we better not think we can sit out our own races. I think Paul would be aghast that he is interpreted as saying merely to speak your belief is sufficient for salvation. Especially when, by example, he wore out his life in the service of the Lord.
@@livingmombirth4005 He didn’t just leave though…. He promised to remain with them until the end of the age. And He promised to send them the Holy Spirit, who descended on the Day of Pentecost. So with two of the three Persons of God literally and fully present with the Church… how could it fail? Did they abandon Jesus’ Bride? Or were they unable to guide and sustain Her?
Funny how he's saying that Jesus should be the only foundation when he views Ellen G. White as a prophetess.
As a child, Ellen G. White was hit on the head with a rock by schoolmate. She began experiencing visions a couple years after that.
@@anng.4542The more you know... 🌈
Doesn't Catholicism have many prophets as well, like the prophecy of 1882 about the 100 year trail
@@RavensEaglePrivate revelation is not binding on the faithful. Big difference. Go read SDA statement of faith #18. Their faith is completely based on EGWs writings, visions and prophecies.
Bible box is absolute crap as well catholics who think Jesus ment to say built the catholic church on peter the rock hahahahahaa....idiots
We Catholics have one Bible verse that actually DOES destroy Protestantism: "...the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth." 1 Timothy 3:15. The Church not scripture is the pillar and ground of the Truth. Period.
I have often been presented with the argument from Protestants that Jesus pointed to a rock on the ground and said, "On this rock I will build my church." If that is indeed the case, then where is that rock? We know where the Dome of the Rock is which dates back to Abraham 4,000 years ago. And we also have numerous relics and artifacts that date back to Jesus's time. So if there actually was a rock in which Jesus said he would build the entire Christian church on, that would be the most important rock in the universe. Don't you think someone would have put that rock in a safe place and eventually built a church or shrine around it? The fact there is no artifact anywhere that claims to be the rock Jesus pointed to tells me it never existed. And that is the best evidence of all that this story about Jesus pointing to a rock on the ground and vowing to build his church upon it is a gross misinterpretation of scripture.
May I just say Trent, that I just love how you use Protestant quotes to refute Protestant claims to prove them mistaken lol
I think an often overlooked point we Catholics always underuse is the Jewish implication of the phrase "binding and loosing". This was an actual authority given specifically to people ebtrusted with the duty to interpret Scriptures AUTHORITATIVELY.
Kepha was given Asur ve-Matyr, he was given the Jewish authority of Midrash. He wasn't just given the authority to declare new doctrines but also to authoritatively interpret existing revelations. Furthermore, this authority did not end with the person's death in Jewish tradition, it was passed down through generations.
In other words, Maran Isho M'shiha changed Simeon's name to Kepha and said that in this Kepha, he will build his Church. He then gave Kepha the authority of Asur ve-Matyr which is a divine authority to authoritatively interpret the Scriptures and this authority existed in the old covenant and was passed down from generations to generations.
Isiah ch 21 brings to the reader the role of the Al-Habayit which is that person holds the keys and manages the house of the King. It is this role that Jesus placed on Peter, and the Apostles would have instantly recognized this as they knew Isiah inside and out. Is this similar to the Asur ve-Matyr you are describing?
@@slanz1He gives both to Peter - the steward’s keys and the binding/loosing authority of the faith leaders. It goes with Jesus’s authority as King and High Priest - Peter is his second in command in authority and in interpreting.
He gave the authority to bind and loose to all the apostles.
Matthew 18:18
[18] Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
So he gave these keys to all the apostles. Right.
@ dont confuse the two passages. In this verse, Jesus is referring to the Church’s authority as arbiter of the Truth. The Apostles are the chosen leaders of the Church Christ is establishing. Peter is the head of the church and the Apostles work to spread the Church. Again, Jesus is speaking to the Church’s authority, read the context from verse 15 on.
@ from my understanding, the keys and binding/loosing are given to Peter and binding/loosing is given to all the apostles.
The Catholic magisterium has two forms it takes - the ordinary magisterium which is the universal agreement of all the bishops and theologians (binding/loosing to all apostles); and the extraordinary magisterium of ecumenical councils and papal official decree (a higher level of binding/loosing). In the Bible, the authority of teaching is given to presbyters/deaconois/episcopai (Hebrews 13?), but in Acts, we see those leaders defer to Peter in a council, after joint discussion and Peter’s final declaration.
We understand this as a hierarchy. Where the Pope does not bind/loose, the Bishop has that authority. Where the bishop does not bind/loose, the priest has that authority. Where the Priest does not bind/loose, the individual or the head of the family is bound by conscience, but has no authority over any other.
The higher authority does not intercede to bind unless there is a dispute below him that must be addressed.
Trent, you gotta stop skipping over Paul's letters to Timothy and Titus and going straight to Ignatius and Clement when making a brief case for apostolic succession.
They always argue that Jesus was making a distinction between the two phrases "you are Peter" and "on this rock." The structure of Jesus' statement is very clear that He was not making any distinction at all. Notice that Matthew used the conjunction "and" to connect the two phrases: "you are rock AND on this rock". If Jesus was making a distinction, it would have been proper to use the conjunction "but": "you are Peter BUT on this rock". But that is not the case.
"And" is not used to make a distinction/contrast but to add something.
Trent, I remember when you rebutted this Mr. Todd?(not sure if I remember the name correctly) on this same issue, he was arguing the same: Jesus was making a distinction. According to Mr. Todd?, Jesus was actually saying, "you are rock BUT on this rock". And that is exactly the point! If Jesus used "but" instead of "and" then they have a valid argument. But Jesus did not use "but" but "and" meaning He was not making a distinction at all.
Enough with religious lies from both ,Catholic and Protestants .... Judging one another and both with logs in their eyes.
The rock is what Jesus told Him how He is going to build . ´´Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you,but My Father in Heaven´´ John 6 : 45 .... Heb 12: 25 ... Heb 8: 11“None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, 7 x Who have ears,let him hear what the Spirit say to the church (ES)
Because God is done with unprofitable religions .. There is no more learning from flesh and blood... Who have ears,He will be ministered by the Spirit..
2Co 3: 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
2Co 3: 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Mat 7: 24 “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
Mat 7: 25 “and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
Mat 7: 29 for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
So better sell all that religion have taught you,and follow Jesus,because what you have is worthless.
Rev 3:18 “I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
Why do they always nitpick from The Bible to prove their points?
Why is it always look at this verse and disregard what comes before or follows after?
They're like those guys that were looking for "codes" in The Bible sometime ago!
Thanks for the video brother! God Bless!
Ouch, poor Greg. Trent absolutely took him apart.
Pray for Greg to convert to Catholicism as he’s making fatal mistakes of interpreting Scripture for himself. St Peter warned against discerning Scripture for yourself as it leads to your destruction. Jesus Christ gave His authority and power, Doctrine, Sacraments, Gospel, Scripture and Sacred Traditions to His apostles and their direct successors, Catholic Priests. Only they have Gods authority to teach Gods Word, enact His Sacraments, Mass, cast out demons, heal, etc.
Well reasoned. Thanks!
Love it! PTL!
Jesus loves puns, I greatly enjoy that.
Dad humor is God humor. This makes me happy 😊
The OT is full of Hebrew puns, expressions and idioms that are never explained in footnotes or study Bibles
Peter is portrayed throughout the gospels as the dumbest and most emotionally unstable of the apostles. So to the extent the saying has any reality to it at all, Jesus probably meant you will see what my power can do to transform even this kind of idiot.
@ God frequently chooses the most imperfect to humble the proud.
@@vinciblegaming6817 Me too, it is really sweet to think about God's humor!
Hi trent, I was raised in a group called the two by twos myself. They don't accept the trinity. Recently a person I know in the two by twos religion said that a set, capitalized title, such as "Father" which is what priests are called in Orthodoxy and Catholicism, is different from a natural way of being or natural state of being. They claimed that Paul's "fatherhood" was just a way he acted towards those he led, but wasn't a set, and capitalized title. They claimed that the scripture saying "call no one Father" meant don't have capitalized, set titles like Orthodoxy and Catholicism have. They claimed that the way Paul used that wasn't the same thing as a set title. It seems like a semantics kind of argument but wonder what you think about this argument?
Thank you!
Interesting how he does not trust Peter, yet trust's Ellen G. White. LOL
I mean didn't Peter deny Jesus 3 times? Or are we talking about a different book?
@@PaperBagGambleshe also repented
@@PaperBagGamblesWhat was your point with this comment?
@@PaperBagGambles Oh, another sinless person chiming in...
Well just to help him out, I think people are often confused about papal infallibility. They think if Paul rebuked Peter, or if Peter denied Jesus, then he can’t be what Catholics think he is. Luckily, papal infallibility is much more limited! And ALL popes are sinners.
God loving puns is proof enough for me that he is good!
Well done, Trent. You speak the truth about our Lord Jesus Christ and His Church, my friend!
Can you explain?
..... IF THE BIBLE IS A CATHOLIC BOOK, THEN: Why does it condemn clerical dress? (Matt. 23:5-6; Luke 20:46). Why does the Bible teach against the adoration of Mary if the Bible is catholic? (Luke 11:27-28). Why does it show that all Christians are priests? (1 Pet. 2:5,9). Why does God's Word condemn the observance of special days if it's catholic? (Gal. 4:9-11). Why does the Bible teach that all Christians are saints if it's catholic? (1 Cor. 1:2). WHY is there no mention nor concept of a “pope” in God’s Word? If the Bible were truly catholic, WHY does it condemn the making and adoration of objects of worship, of graven images? (Ex. 20:4-5). WHY did the catholic church removed the 2nd commandment and then split the 10th commandment into 2 commandments? WHY does the Bible teach that baptism is immersion instead of sprinkling or pouring if the Bible is catholic? (Col. 2:12). If the Bible is truly catholic, WHY does it specifically forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9) If the Bible is truly catholic, WHY does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11). WHY does it address only God Himself as the "Holy Father"? (John 17:11) If the Bible is catholic, why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5). If the Bible is catholic, why is the Bible completely silent about infant baptism, indulgence$, purgatory, confession to priests, the rosary, scapula, novena, holy days of obligation, the mass, and many other things taught by the Catholic Church? If the Bible is catholic WHY is the drinking of blood (eucharist/transubstantiation) forbidden in both testaments? (Leviticus 17; Acts 15) If the Bible is catholic, why then did the pope put the Bible on the Index of forbidden books in the 12th century? The roman catholic cult murdered in cold blood millions who preserved the Scriptures, the Bible. The Waldensians were part of those murdered. The Waldensians were hunted down and murdered. The cult of rome knew that if the average, common man got hold of the Bible, they (Rome) would be out of business. During the inquisitions, the catholic church murdered 63 million people, all who refused to come under the illegitimate authority of the pope. The catholic church has never apologize because they are unrepentant. How can any sane person defend this evil?
For this cause divine judgment is coming, in “one hour.” The catholic church is described in detail in Revelation 17 and her coming destruction is in Revelation 18.
This whole protestant polemic of "who is the rock" ignores the giving of the keys and the fact that Christ in this example spoke as a builder, not as a keystone, or bedrock, or anything else. Its just a coherent example. Even Paul called Peter "Kephas" in the original greek.
don't forget the part where Jesus asks peter if he loves Him three times, and each time tells peter to take care of his flock.
@@scopilio13 true, even there he makes a distinction: between "lambs" (the priesthood) and “sheep” (the people.)
When I was in the process of deciding if I'd become a Catholic I was listening to CA and one of the guys said "Jesus didn't leave behind the Bible, He left behind the church". For 400 years we got along just fine without compiling the Scriptures so any argument from Sola Scriptura is immediately pointless. To be like the early church is to submit to Apostolic authority.
quote---"Jesus didn't leave behind the Bible, He left behind the church"....unquote
What is "THE Church"?? A building?? Is a building to be Christ's bride???
A church ARE THE PEOPLE within it!!!
----John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. ... No one comes to the Father except through me.
THAT is what Jesus claimed!! Now, since HE IS THE TRUTH, so when a church teaches what CONTRADICTS what Jesus taught, which one is THE TRUTH???? Man, or Jesus???
One or the other is a liar!!! If you claim Jesus is the liar, that throws OUT ALL the 4 Gospels!!! If you claim Jesus is God, that throws out ALL the Bible!! Now, you have NOTHING!!!
That is a typical straw man argument , just like a large enterprise cannot succeed , survive, or operate without a chain of command so it is with the church . Logic dictates that your idea of the Church would have meant No Bible massive Heresy and certainly Christianity's demise within the lifetime of the Apostles
@@Sentinal6405 So, the BIBLE quotes I gave you are ALL lies????
All you have to offer are worthless opinions!! NO facts and NO scripture!!!
@@mitchellosmer1293 I am not Criticizing the bible at all what I mean is your ideas are ludicrous
@@Sentinal6405 quote--I am not Criticizing the bible at all ...unquote
Oh, but you ARE!!! By telling me that what I quoted DIRECTLY from the bible are lies and MY interpretation!!!
>>Quote---what I mean is your ideas are ludicrous...unquote
Then QUOTE the bible and prove me wrong!!!! and NOT worthless opinions!!!
Jesus changed Simon's name (John 1:42) to Cephas (Aramaic for rock/stone), and he did it for a specific purpose, which is to later say in Matthew 16:18 that the Church would be built on Peter (petros). Interesting how Protestant's and others never want to tackle this issue about the name change.
The papacy is a gift from God
Not St. Galens?
Where in your Bible does it speak of popes?
@@cbooth151 Matthew 16
@@cbooth151 Let St Jerome explain that to you:
St Jerome of Stridon, Eastern monk who lived in the West (347 AD - 420 AD)*
_”Yet, though your greatness terrifies me, your kindness attracts me. From the priest I demand the safe-keeping of the victim, from the shepherd the protection due to the sheep. Away with all that is overweening; _*_let the state of ROMAN MAJESTY withdraw. My words are spoken to the SUCCESSOR OF THE FISHERMAN, to the disciple of the cross. As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, THAT IS WITH THE CHAIR (“cathedra”) OF PETER. For this, I know, is the ROCK ON WHICH THE CHURCH is built (Matthew 16:18)! This is the house where ALONE the paschal lamb can be rightly eaten (Exodus 12:22). This is the Ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails_*_ (Genesis 7:23). But since by reason of my sins I have betaken myself to this desert which lies between Syria and the uncivilized waste, _*_I cannot, owing to the great distance between us, always ask of your sanctity the holy thing of the Lord. Consequently I here FOLLOW the Egyptian confessors WHO SHARE YOUR FAITH_*_ , and anchor my frail craft under the shadow of their great argosies. I know nothing of Vitalis; I reject Meletius; I have nothing to do with Paulinus. He that gathers not with you scatters; Matthew 12:30 he that is not of Christ is of Antichrist”_
(St Jerome, Letter 15 [to Pope St Damasus], par. 2).
@@cbooth151 Church doctrines based on revelation MUST have an authority. Without it, we end up with Protestantism. Can't people see this fact? Revelation becomes confusion when everyone is their own authority.
These Protestants apologists sound educated ,but they can't interprete a simple clear scripture " You are Cephas and on this Cephas ,I will build my church". Infact Jesus did not change Simon's name in Mathew16:19- but rather from the first time when he saw him , in John 1John 1:41-42. He did this for the purpose ,to come in Mathew 16:19.
Okay, even if the Protestants refute the rock argument . Then let them explain to us to whom was the keys given ,because Jesus goes on and decrees " I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven and what you bind on earth will be bound in heaven " , was Jesus giving the keys to the confession or to Peter ?what about after the resurrection" Peter do you love me x3, feed my sheep ,feed my sheep ,feed my Lambs", this part in John is the overwhelming evidence to seal the Papacy . In this part Jesus consecrates Peter as the Bishop of Bishops and the laity ,who is the Pope today .PERIOD.
JOHN1: [41]He first found his own brother Simon, and said to him, “We have found the Messiah” (which is translated, the Christ).
[42]And he brought him to Jesus. Now when Jesus looked at him, He said, “You are Simon the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas” (which is translated, A Stone).
Trent, will you make video about Luce, that new Vatican mascot for jubilee. Things got pretty complicated since she came out.
He did a FFAF episode last week about Luce. Not sure if it's available on YT but it is available in podcast form.
whys it complicated?
Not a fan of this so called mascot
Thank you.
If Jesus had said “…BUT on THAT rock…” then maybe. Otherwise, it’s forcing pretext into the text.
Jesus is talking to Peter, THIS rock means he is talking about Peter. That's why he changed Simon's name to Simon rock.
1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
1 Timothy 4:1-5
How about this?
and the result is 40000+ denominations and counting
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100,000 sects!
All of those denominations to argue how to interpret a fairytale
@@Dcm193 With all the evidence, I’d say you’re ignorant. The resurrection is the most proven historical event from millennia ago, with dozens of sources to back it up.
@@kashmirandal6282 all of the sources from where also when did all of these first hand accounts come from? Surely it wont be different even in every gospel
@@Dcm193You wouldn't laugh as much if I told you evolution is a fairytale
Actually dispensationalists among fundamentalist Protestants actually DO make a sharp dichotomy between Jesus' proclamation of the Kingdom (with requirement for righteousness to enter that Kingdom) and the Pauline gospel of grace (to the exclusion of all works, even keeping the Ten Commandments. Some dispensationalists even regard the Lord's Prayer as a Jewish prayer inappropriate for Christians, or even the Lord's Supper as not meant for Gentile Christians of the "Church Age" till Christ comes to establish the Jewish Millennium. Dispensationalists deny that the Church is the New Israel, the visible People of God under the New Covenant. Some dispensationalists even acknowledge that, if Jesus' gospel of the Kingdom is applicable to present-day Christians, then the Catholic understanding of faith and works in justification is correct.
Of course, dispensationalism is the product of John Nelson Darby's sectarian imagination, but through the Scofield Reference Bible, it has acquired tremendous influence among fundamentalists. Just think of the success of the Left Behind books and also Dave Hunt's "A Woman Rides the Beast", attacking the Catholic Church as the Whore of Babylon for claiming to be the New Israel.
Dave Hunt lol 😂 the whore of Babylon is referred to in revelation. I've read it several times but nowhere do I see the words "vatican" or "Roman catholic church" so what about the Sola Scriptura doctrine 🤔
it is completed clearly explaination of Trent. Thank you.
The one verse in the bible that destroys the protestant:
John 6:53-58
So Jesus said to them, ‘Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live for ever.’
Drinking Blood
----Why were the Israelites not allowed to eat blood?
Why is the eating of blood prohibited? We can find the answer here in Leviticus 17 and verse 11, and the Bible says: The life of every living thing is in the blood, and that is why the LORD has commanded that all blood be poured out on the altar to take away the people's sins. Blood, which is life, takes away sins.
>>>Why does the Bible say not to take blood?
The Bible indicates that blood is sacred because it represents life. The command not to eat blood can be found in both the Old and New Testaments (Gen 9:4; Lev 17:10-11,14; ,Deut 12:23 , and Acts 15:20)
-----Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
14 “For the life of every creature is the blood of it;[a] therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature (a human IS A CREATURE!), for the life of every creature is its blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off. and Acts 15:20).
(Humans are by definition both people and creatures- people, as they exhibit both sapience and sentience, and creatures, being of the kingdom animalia.)
----Genesis 9:4
Genesis 9:4
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
Deut 12:23
23 Only be sure that you do not eat the blood; for the blood is the life, and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.y you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
THAT VERSE DOES NOT SAY animals!!!
>>>>Leviticus 17:10-11
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
Eating Blood Prohibited
10 “If any man of the house of Israel or of the strangers that sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people. 11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it for you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement, by reason of the life.
DOES NOT SAY " ANIMALS"!!!
Deuteronomy 12:23
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
23 Only be sure that you do not eat the blood; for the blood is the life, and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.
DOES NOT SAY " ANIMALS"!!!
.>>>Acts 15:20
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
20 but should write to them to abstain from the pollutions of idols and from unchastity and from what is strangled and from blood.
DOES NOT SAY " ANIMALS"!!!
Catholics WILL NOT read the WHOLE Story!!!
John 6:63.... The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you-they are full of the Spirit and life.
Life and Spirit!! NOT Flesh and blood.
Me just sitting here knowing Peter was the rock, the confession was the rock, and Peter lead the church in Jerusalem for many years and was pivotal in leading.
I also am not catholic and do not necessarily accept the papal line of succession per se, but see the pros and cons of such a method, but also know the corruption of many popes and cardinals which led to changing or adding nonbiblical teachings through the years.
I just take Scripture at its word, and believe in Christ and do my best to live by Christs word, having the Spirit change me as I humble myself to Him.
For those who want me to give credence about my statement, i am not here to debate that. Just letting y'all know there are those of us out here not wanting to place myself under another 'ism' or denomination because of past traumas from being in calvinism for 10 years.
(Btw, yes, I also acknowledge Theotokos, and extra Biblical sources, but do not hold extra biblical sources as equal to Scripture and give them much less weight.)
I know it’s late at this point but I kinda want to hear Trent’s take on Luce.
He did a video where he mentioned Luce.
@ He did? Which was it. I must have missed it.
@@TheJmlew11 It's his latest Free For all Friday- on catholic commentary.
I believe that the early church fathers had arguments about these things. To debunk it today if you are a lone protestant pastor is just questionable. Roman Catholic Church has the whole history to trample these arguments.
I find it curious how the Protestant position on matters of Faith so often implies an unnecessary "this OR that", when it is perfectly possible and more coherent for it to be "this AND that" or "this BECAUSE of that".
I've noticed this too, and I think it's really obvious if you also follow the channel of Trent's (good natured) nemesis HowToBeChristian. For the protestant to make their case, they need a standard higher than "here's an interpretation of scripture that is consistent with my view on this issue" they need to be able to say that their interpretation is the only possible interpretation because they do not accept an authority other than scripture to judge between interpretations. But obviously they can't do that because among protestants they can't even agree on the right interpretation on scripture on a lot of things.
In this way, protestant arguments are almost always at best a motte and bailey fallacy.
Is it really orthodox to say that the church’s most sacred doctrine is about Peter? (I’m referencing the title of Joe’s book) For example, that doctrine is more sacred than the deity of Christ?
Will all the no name brand imitation Christians never give up trying to convince themselves they are legitimate
7th day dude needs to eat a steak and get some sun...
Why?
Another way to look at this as what eventuated. Whatever the “rock” is, (and I reckon it was Peter too) it certainly isn’t the 7th Day Adventists, officially established in 1863 according to Wikipedia. Whereas each Roman Catholic Bishop and Pope has been ordained by predecessors from Peter on. There is a direct lineage with no breaks.
The main thing I've gotten from this video is that Peter is a fellow Edler
I see what you did there
If the Catholic Church is a Lambo, Seven-day Adventist Church is a 2000 pontiac aztek.
2:47 "Classic" 😂
Though you are a small pebble Peter, you shall become a giant rock from which I will build my Church.
9:20
He said Jesus is the ONLY foundation. He believes in following the Bible only. Yet, Revelations 21:14 called the apostles the foundation as well.
Foundations
👍
Many types of foundations.
Bible box is absolute crap as well catholics who think Jesus ment to say built the catholic church on peter the rock hahahahahaa....idiots
Excellent stuff. Well said and 100% true. This guy he is setting straight, is often wrong and seems to have it out for the Church.
Love when trent does a response to a video none of us have seen or heard of
It is no surprise that a Catholic Apologist would defend the teachings of his Church. I welcome the admission that the Church is built on the rock - the confession that Jesus is the Christ . Of course the Church is built on the Christ, the one sent by God as his messiah, his beloved Son and not on an imperfect sinful human, Peter.
The question was asked why change Simon's name in the first place ? The answer is of course that there was another Apostle called Simon (Mark 3 :18).
It is one thing to argue for Apostolic authority, it is quite another to argue that Peter had a role above that of the other Apostles. No one doubts the important role Peter played in the early Church and the fact that he was used to witness to gentiles. Unfortunately, we have little real data on many of the other Apostles and exactly what they did or accomplished. The argument that the Bishop of Rome had primacy is not completely evident in the earliest Christian writings . The head of the main churches were also called 'popes' and there appears to have been rivalry between these leaders.
*_The question was asked why change Simon's name in the first place ? The answer is of course that there was another Apostle called Simon (Mark 3 :18)._*
There where also 2 James and 2 Judas, why didn't Jesus change their names?
What a silly argument. Why does Jesus pray specifically for Peter and for his faith, so that he may strengthen his brethren? Peter very clearly has primacy over the Apostles and is made distinct by Christ himself.
Binding and loosing as well as the keys were given to Peter.
@@Matt-1926 : We simply don't have the data to answer that question. But the Apologist did admit that the Church was built on the confession that Jesus was the Christ. The church is built on Jesus, not Peter.
There is no question that Peter was a leading Apostle according to the record of Acts and was given the task of using the keys of the kingdom, opening the doors to gentiles.
However, we simply don't have the scriptural evidence to support the claims that were used in later centuries.
@@Matt-1926 : Sometimes we just don't have the answer to all the questions.
Only 6 minutes late and somehow I doubt that.
Why does Greg sound like a robot?
From a son of Mary to another son of Mary, of course, in the family of the redeemed in Christ. Brothers correct each other. Trent, thanks for being clear, logical, and charitable. Amen brother 👍
Trent, you made a great video on the "you're wrong so I'm right" fallacy, but this video falls at least somewhat with in this context. Your response really only works if you are coming to the table with the assumption that Peter is the pope. It is not enough to rebut this claim but you need to make your own positive case.
Scripture does say that it contains everything for salvation, not just scripture but John states that everything required for salvation can be found within his words in John 20:30-31