"7 False Catholic Teachings" (REBUTTED)
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- In this episode, Trent debunks Protestant apologist Allen Parr's claims about 7 false teachings of the Catholic church.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Alan Parr's claims about 7 false teachings of the Church
00:35 Intercession of the Saints
06:20 Purgatory / Praying for the Dead
10:30 Transubstantiation / Eucharist
16:05 Mortal vs. Venial Sin
19:35 Assurance of Salvation
23:50 "Faith & Works" - Розваги
21:49 The episode I referenced discussing Joshua Harris’s “I Kissed Dating Goodbye” will come out on Monday, so stay tuned for that!
Wouldn't miss it for the world
Thanks, Trent. Be sure to check out another UA-camr who is attacking the Church: IThink Biblically.
What would you say to someone who claims Pope Gregory the great prescripting purgatory is analogous to Joseph Smith inventing the canon of his own golden plates?
I know Joshua Harris. I went to his dad's church (Greg Harris) for years
@@josh39684 Just sad I actually was involved with homeschooling circles and met the family.
"Do this in remembrance of me"
1. Do what? "This"
2. What's "this"? Eating the bread and drinking the wine.
3. What does Jesus say the bread and the wine are? "His body and His blood"
So simple, i can't see how protestants not only go of course with the understanding, but how they would not admit to “following the many disciples” that walked away from Jesus when they could not agree with the literal understanding. Pride, perhaps.
@@siddywiddyb It's because before "Sola Scriptura" or "Sola Fide", it's "Catholicism is wrong".
Imagine doing math insisting on PI being exactly 3. It won't work out and you'll need a lot of extras to make things kind of work.
"This is my body" not "this is just a neat symbol."
And if this wasn't enough, John 6 makes it even more obvious. But they can dismiss anything as a metaphor.
I am the door - made out of wood
I am the way - now He is tarmac
The house, the sand and the rock - instructions for engineers and home owners
The lamps and the oil - instructions for procurement
The hidden treasure - Good luck finding Gods kingdom by digging in your garden
Could tell you more, but need to drive to town now for classes how to sell and buy pearls...
The irony of him wearing a "sola fide" t-shirt and then saying "After a person dies, their eternal fate is sealed BASED ON HOW THEY LIVED THEIR LIFE whenever they were living."
I noticed it too😅!
"HOW THEY LIVED THEIR LIFE "
Is that a 'work'?
@@phild3936 Yes. Either good works or bad works
Contradicting himself. Says one thing on his T-shirt and then states that, 'their fate is sealed based on how they lived their life whenever they were living'.
Did you catch that he paused just a little bit as he was saying it? Like he was aware of the ridiculousness of his belief system, if only for the briefest moment.
The portion on assurance of salvation is 100% accurate. In my life as a protestant, which is the vast majority of my life, I had constant fears along the lines of "what if my conversion wasn't genuine?", especially as I sinned. When converting to Catholicism this past winter (confirmed at Easter Vigil), I was often asked "how will you have assurance of your salvation, how will you have peace?". Since crossing the Tiber, I have never felt more assurance of my state with God than following confession. Hearing the words of the priest in persona Christi, "Your sins are forgiven, go in peace" is the assurance I had always been lacking in the protestant world.
God bless you, brother. I'm also a convert from this past Easter. I was an atheist before, but God gave me the grace to see how wrong I was.
@@lumberzach77 likewise, peace be with you. Pray for me, I'll pray for you
This is my same experience converting to orthodoxy, instead of always worrying whether or not I was “truly” saved, the only thing I worry about now is if I have broken God’s heart. A Protestant objection is how we’ve made Christ as a “fearful judge”, but I was never more scared of God than when I was a Protestant. No assurance of true salvation, especially when I sinned and walked away from God. Since finding the truth I am no longer ruled by a fear of Hell or not being truly saved. Once saved always saved is a recipe for paranoia. Knowing that though I fall I have God as my Father welcoming back His prodigal is so much more assuring.
Also confirmed at this past Easter with the same experience!
Did you watch Trent's video "Protestantism's Not So Simple Plan for Salvation"? I saw that last Summer when I first learned about Catholicism and it resonated with me fully
I can relate to this, back when I struggled with Masturbation it felt as if I was somehow never enough, that I was doomed to succumb to my flesh. If It weren't for confession, my scruples would have led to me renouncing the faith entirely. It felt so peaceful, knowing that even after failing uncountable times, that I could always find a guaranteed assurance, even If that state of grace didn't last long. It was as if I had the ability to restart my life again, with a fresh new beginning, every week.
Coming from a southern Baptist background, I had no knowledge of "church history." Then I started to wonder what was the first church like? What was first apostle's church like? What was it like to seat with Jesus and listening to his teachings? I did not know Jesus in the southern Baptist church. This lead me to the Catholic Church and church history. I hope to join the true church one day.
what is stopping you?
I converted last year and now attend the Traditional Latin Mass with my wife and children. It is a huge blessing to be in the Church that stretches back to the Apostles. Now when I saw the Apostle's Creed, I mean all of it! One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. You won't regret it, my friend.
@@patricial.321Usually new catholics are baptised into the church at Easter
quote---What was it like to seat with Jesus and listening to his teachings.. unquote
QUOTE the bible that says Christ taught Mary is a mediator.
QUOTE the bible that says Christ taught Mary will go to heaven.
QUOTE the bible that says Christ taught Mary is every ones mother.
QUOTE the bible that says Christ taught Sunday is a holy day
QUOTE the bible that says Christ taught .a mere man is head of His church.
QUOTE the bible that says Christ taught Mary will remain a virgin.
QUOTE the bible that says Christ taught Mary is never sinned.
QUOTE the bible that says Christ taught Peter was named a pope.
.etc, etc
@@mitchellosmer1293 quote where any of that was not church teaching until 500 years ago
What is sad about people like Allen Parr is that they don’t have a public dialogue with other Catholics to discuss these issues. Instead, they stay in their echo chamber and beat up a strawman.
Unfortunately for people like Allen they make a living off stuff like this in so much there's no way they could afford to come out and admit spreading false doctrine. We all live in a echo chamber but I will never understand how people who claim to love Christ Jesus could attack thr oldest church who established the new testament, have traditions all the way down to the time of Jesus. It's madness to me
@@humbirdms2784 Parr sounds so ignorant of basic Christianity. Its embarrassing.
Of course Parr doesn't, he just shows ignorance of all the basic creed whenever talking about the Catholic Church, so sad to see him spreading lies about our faith
The worst example of this is Todd Friel. The coward literally has most, if not all his comments disabled
@@3miL_2012as well as white
Allen Parr said the early Church didn't teach transubstantiation.
Tell me you haven't read early Christian writings (i.e., Church Fathers) without telling me you haven't read early Christian writings.
There were four views of the Eucharist in the early church. In his magnum opus, History of the Christian Church, historian Philip Schaff (Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Volume 2, [Hendrickson Publishers, 2010], pp. 241-245; Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Volume 3, [Hendrickson Publishers, 2010], pp. 494-500) documents the four views the early church held in regards to the way in which Christ was associated with the bread and wine. You had the
(1) mystical view of Ignatius, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus and Cyril of Jerusalem which said the body and blood of Jesus are mystically in union with the elements leading to a sort of repetition of the incarnation, though no change in substance actually takes place as in later Romanism;
(2) the symbolic view of Tertullian, Cyprian, Eusebius, Gregory Nazianzen, Macarius the Elder, Theodoret, Augustine and Gelasius which said the Eucharist symbolizes the body and blood of Jesus and is a commemoration, not Rome’s literalistic transubstantiation;
(3) the allegorical or spiritual view of Clement of Alexandria, Origen and Athanasius which said the believer receives the spiritual but not physical blood and life of Jesus at Mass; and
(4) the literalistic view of Hilary, Ambrose and Gaudentius which affirmed the bread and wine as being the literal transformed body and blood of Jesus which is basically in line with the modern Roman Catholic system. The Roman view is in the minority, while the symbolic and mystical views seem to be the most primitive and popular.”
@@Justas399 You can also find it in the writings to Emperor Marcus Aurelius regarding the early church and eating of the flesh of Jesus. Early Romans called Christ believers in the Eucharist cannibals but the letter to Marcus explained, they don't eat people, they eat the living Jesus spiritually that has transformed into living bread.
@@davidestate You are not getting that doctrine from exegeting the Scriptures.
This is clearly secondary protestant source claiming this kind of nonsense.
This is all great information but let’s not forget all the early church fathers disagreed on seperate issues but the important thing to remember is What the church teaches.
I was banned from a 'Christian' discord server for posting this video in reply to someone posting Allen's original. Keep up your great ministry, Trent!
Yes!! My comment on Allan Pars page was removed because they didn't like what I said about his erroneous assumptions.
Keep fighting the good fight. The world will hate you because they hated the savior first.
Yeah you attacked his monetary base of followers so they will always block your comments. They don’t want you to erode their base of followers
That’s rough. Shows quite a bit of insecurity that they need to ban anyone who would dare suggest anything different from group think.
Interesting, I was also banned from a Christian discord server - which one were you a part of?
As a Protestant, I can safely say that it is a good idea to ignore Allen Parr a good majority of the time. 🤷 And also, thanks to my Catholic brethren for standing so doctrinally strong on the Incarnation. I ❤️ you forever for that. 👑
This guy is on the same level as Ray Comfort and Mike Gendron. He has no interest in a dialogue with any Catholic apologist. He doesn't want to explore truth. He wants to feel good about his spirituality. Really old, tired arguments that are easily refuted.
They need to justify their belief by trying to knock down Catholicism.
No matter how emphatically people deny the church their conscience troubles them, deep down they know better.
No, no one is as bad as Mike Gendron. He might be as bad as Ray Comfort.
@@MeanBeanComedy I saw a video of a Lutheran pastor defending infant baptism against Mike Gendron and you could tell how appalled he was at Mike’s out of control hubris. Mike actually said “anyone who defends infant baptism clearly hasn’t thought about it very deeply” it was so ridiculous that it still makes me laugh. The pastor replied with “sooo people like Martin Luther didn’t think about this very deeply.” It was golden.
"Assurance of Salvation" is emblematic of this hubris. "I want to be saved, but I don't want a real relationship with God, just a Divine sugardaddy."💔
Makes me sad. Trent and Jimmy are some of my favorite Christian apologists (period) and I'm a protestant. To not have dialogue and glean insight from such great minds is a terrible disservice.
My wife and I have been on a search for a new church. The modern church continues to move closer to closer to culture and further and further away from the gospels.
We want authenticity and tradition, and I’m thankful for these resources when it comes to learning about Catholic teachings.
even in Catholicism, its tricky today, find a conservative Catholic chruch...
I've been there last year when I was seeking which church is truer.
All I can suggest you is that you seek truth itself and not just a good preacher. Of course I truly believe fullness of Christian truth is only within the Catholic Church, but it's your choice in the end.
My suggestion is that you also try an Eastern Catholic church if you got one nearby.
@@glennlanham6309 What you're saying isn't true because there's only one Catholic Church and only one doctrine. If people say things contrary to doctrine, it's the people who are the problem, not the doctrine. Whereas with Protestants, doctrine is the problem.
God bless you and your wife 🙏
@@glennlanham6309aka traditional. Grew up in what I found out is a liberal church and now attend a reverent one....quite different in reverence and piety
I applaud Trent Horn for his loving patience to respond to such weak and faulty arguments. As a manager I often fail to show so much kindness to such poor reasoning and research. A convert from Pentecostalism to the Catholic Church 😂
Ha! Bet that's a wild story. 😜😝
It is incredibly frustrating for sure, feels like beating the proverbial horse.
God bless you!
As I am protestant, I'm usually an affiliate with the Gavin Ortlund Mafia, but I did really like the points you made here. I believe I actually agree with your wording more than that of Parr's in a number of areas. I appreciate that you make it clear not to treat all Protestants the same since it is a rather vast spectrum of belief. Thank you for being so charitable, Mr. Horn! Have a very blessed day as well!
I pray you’ll come to your true home - I’m a convert myself and I assure you, Protestants are missing an ocean of beauty and a depth to their faith that they don’t know is missing. The sacraments are so important and powerful, too. Please don’t hesitate. God bless you.
@@erin6083 My dear friend, I sincerely appreciate your care for me despite our disagreements. I never want to take anything lightly that I should have pursued more closely and that most definitely includes the sacraments and tradition of Christianity. I wish you the best and pray that God blesses you as well.
Sanhedrin pt 2 arrived. Congrats, you will be the recipients of Matthew 7:21-23. You will proclaim you “kept the church” “performed miracles” and Christ will turn you away cause you lost the message, again. Just like the Jews did first go again, the second generation of those Jews is showing itself
@@jtbasener8740 That was so kind and beautifully said. Thank you. Truly, I pray for God to bless you and for the Holy Spirit to lead you to the Church if that is God’s will for you. Regardless, thank you again.
@@erin6083 Certainly, dear friend! Thank you for your kindness.
I’ve always found it interesting how some Protestants go after Catholic beliefs and teachings. Yet never attack Orthodox views who have like 90% of the same views as us… (saints, Theotokos, etc)
Most don't know the Orthodox exist.
All they know is Catholics, other Protestants, and Jewish. Tell them about the Orthodox and their brain will short circuit!
It's a american protestant thing to go after catholics. And because they're americans, they don't even know what orthodoxy is. I live in Switzerland and catholics and protestant go hand in hand with each other. you often have pastor preaching in catholic churches or catholic priest preaching in protestant churches... or holding together a mass. But here in Switzerland the protestant or more or less "homogen"... here you have the "protestant church" and not 1000 variations of protestant churches.
Not surprising. The Catholic Church is by far the biggest denomination in the world. So it’s the big bad boogeyman
@@Brainboxreview not to be "ackshually" but we are not a denomination. We are what they come from.
Thank you Trent for pointing out the many blind spots in Protestantism. It’s a little wild that while you’re explaining Catholic teaching and correcting Parr’s misunderstandings, you also have to correct his own views of Protestantism! Thanks for your good and careful work brother.
The misinformation about Catholicism actually pushed me to learn the truth about it. After realizing how much slander the church has endured, it led me to believe it to be the true church. “The gates of hell” attack the Catholic Church more than any other, and they still have not prevailed against it ❤️✝️
So did you come home?
@@empackmanmueller1725 God willing I will be starting RCIA this fall 🙏🏻
The Catholic Church has their own doctrine and it's not in alignment with the gospels.
@@FleurPillager
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The RCC preaches a perverted gospel and is accursed per Paul.
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, Trent, for making this video! Allen's video irked my soul. I was talking to my phone the entire time, refuting his claims. I thought I was going to have to break my social media silence to make a video refuting his outrageous claims. Bravo, Trent. Bravo.
I hope Trent would do a Free for All Friday where he discusses how he researches, because he is so good at supporting his arguments with sources
I love how he quotes protestants to put them up against other protestants. They both go by sola scriptura and both claim to interpret the scriptures with the Holy Spirit yet contradict each other. Who do we listen to?
It's as if he is showing the protestants that 1. another protestant refutes their position, 2. the division in protestantism and 3. no authority to say who is right or wrong in protestantism.
I hope he makes a video using the gospels to support his claims.
@@FleurPillager Cool straw man. Is this what protestant "pastors" teach at bible "study?"
@@FleurPillager Please try to not act in bad faith. It is certainly unchristian behaviour.
@@EmberBright2077 He doesn't do that in this video. He's just quoting Catholic scholars instead of comparing the words of Jesus to false Catholic doctrine.
Im subbed to Mr. Par because up until this easter I was protestant, I saw this video in my sub feed and thought "well this is heresy... can't wait for trents video on it." thank you Mr Horn for your continued defense of the faith. :)
Welcome to the Catholic Church, brother
@@MarceloIsasmendi It feels good to be home, thank you. Praise God.
@@InTheCloudsFilm soon I shall come home to the Church of Christ soon too! May God bless you and keep you and may Our Lady pray for you.
Praise to God! I had the same experience with Mike Winger. Was also confirmed at Easter this year and get Mike's videos in my feed only to roll my eyes every time he mentions Catholicism
@@shepherddog1199 AMEN! praying for you!
Like a typical Calvinist, Allen hates Catholicism more than he loves Jesus Christ.
Could be wrong here but I don’t think Allen is a Calvinist
@ianmiller07 he's a once saved, always saved.
@@ianmiller07not outright a Calvinist but in some of his videos he admitted on leaning towards Reformed views which are based on Calvinistic teachings.
You're supposed to hate false doctrine/
@@AJsoment95x Ah didn’t know that. Thanks for the info
as a Lutheran, it annoys me so much when people like Allen Parr make Protestantism out to be low church, non sacramental, and osas. i would rather go to a Catholic church than a Protestant low church because even though i disagree with Catholics on points about justification (which isn't as grave as a difference as people make it out to be) or the treasury of merit, at least Catholics realize the importance of the sacraments and that we must continue in the faith. and Trent saying that "Only God can get me to heaven but you and I can certainly get ourselves to hell." seems very similar to the Lutheran view which would be that we don't preserve ourselves in the faith, God the Holy Spirit does, but we can also still resist God's grace which is a reality we should acknowledge as possible.
I appreciate your thoughts. I agree, there are certainly meaningful differences between us as Catholics and Lutherans, but you are right about this issue. We as Catholics have to be careful not to say "Protestants believe [X]" as if all Protestants are one and the same, but it is also all too common for some Protestants to say "Catholics are wrong because they believe [X]" and not realize that they are actually denying a common or even majority held belief/practice that other Protestants affirm as well.
The Catholic Church makes things up contrary to the teaching of Jesus. No such thing as mortal sins, intercession of the saints or the infallibility of the Pope. Not to mention the history of the church and what they did to the peasants who translated and dared to read the gospels. Thousands unalived.
@@FleurPillager please explain what the Catholic Church has made up? If you are a Bible alone “sola scriptura” Protestant, then do you realize how much of YOUR beliefs are made up? Protestantism is a man-made gnostic religion…with a bit of Jesus added in. Why did the Protestants REMOVE 7 books of the Bible? Do you know anything about Martin Luther and what a crass, immoral and evil man he was?
@@FleurPillager and please, feel free to research before posting ridiculous rumors about Catholicism. Each one of your claims have been entirely debunked and clarified. But you’d have to actually take the time to go research those claims on your own. It seems though, that Protestants would rather spend that time posting insults and attacks instead.
@@theyliveyousleep8965 I did explain what the church made up contrary to the teachings of Jesus. There's more too.
I love this kinds of videos.. respect from catholic Croatia
The IHM TREE of life project ua-cam.com/video/Aa9OQHXR27A/v-deo.html a visual history of the Catholic Church from creation to present.
Croatia is beautiful country
God bless!
As a Protestant, I’m so sorry that your teachings were treated with so little care and education.
Specifically, transubstantiation, Communion or The Eucharist is so amazing and is the tangible grace of God!
As I watched I realized how much evangelicals do not understand the omnipresence of God and how he is amble move outside of time.
Truth is, Evangelicals are a caricature of historical Protestantism.
God bless you.
Thank you and God bless you, my friend :)
Me too.
Look, I didn't either when I was an atheist & then an evangelical. They don't encourage sincere inquiry. They want to hand you the answer with no effort involved. No one gets anything worthwhile that way, except the gift of redemption which still requires our acceptance for salvation. 😁🌹🙏
I’m a professional videographer. Great lighting, Trent. Love it.
Same here, yup! 😎👍🏻
I’m so saddened by Allen now I couldn’t finish the video. I used to listen to him when I was Protestant and never felt his arguments against Catholicism made sense. It also breaks my heart that so many believe Catholics are not Christian’s. It seems really disingenuous of him to not investigate the teachings of the Eucharist. I discovered that without this belief, one would not even be considered a Christian back before 100 AD. I was shocked to find out what St Ignatius and others who learned from the disciples taught. It blows my mind how early church history is not being taught. At the very least, he should study history first. I’m so happy to leave Protestantism behind. His comparison of Catholics praying to saints, as necromancy just proves how sola scriptura is wrong. These people believe they get to interpret all the scriptures however they want to 😢
Amen welcome home! I pray you will discover all of the rich treasures of God's true and holy church
I think the worst part is that allen mentions the 400 years of silence as fact and presents it as biblical, even though it is not explicitly in spcripture. What happened to sola scriptura
Allen have opinion on fake gospels spread during those 4 centuries, Full of gnosticism, but prohibited by the Church by the Canon List?
Never heard of Allen Parr but I'm glad we have Trent to explain what the Church actually teaches.
Ask Trent what the churches teaches about Islam, then you find him in trouble😅
The IHM TREE of life project ua-cam.com/video/Aa9OQHXR27A/v-deo.html a visual history of the Catholic Church from creation to present.
The moment he said, "I personally don't think" was where I knew he was wrong. He's using his own opinion to try to disprove Catholicism.
Also the NLT is a horrible translation.
As horrible as he is! 😂😂@@Swish82
Same thought here 🙋🏻♀️
I don't understand why Protestants in the US are attacking Catholics, even though both believe in Jesus. In Asia, all Christians stand together and never badmouth one another despite being assaulted by non-Christians, especially Muslims. The attack on us is even more severe than we are called infidels and whatnot. Some Muslim Friday sermons are about Christians and talk through a loudspeaker.
Thanks for this video. I am a proud Catholic.
THIS. ❤
First of all this isn't new in The US. In the 1700s, it was illegal to be Catholic a lot of states. The Kl4n was actually a Protestant denomination
He said that "we protestants" believe the bread and wine to be purely symbolic. Actually, even in the protestant world, this is a minority view.
Protestant here.He is right purely symbolic.
@@peterlee6148Sure, but in the Protestant world it’s still a minority position. It’s probably only in the Protestant evangelical world that it’s a majority position
@@peterlee6148 Which church? There are hundreds of Protestant denominations.
@@peterlee6148wrong, Lutherans, Anglicans, reformed don’t hold to symbolic view
@@FleurPillagerthere are no hundreds, that’s a straw man there’s only a small handful of Protestant traditions
As a orthodox Christian, it’s very hard to respect protestants that don’t recognize Catholics or Christian and disrespect the teachings and history and theology of Catholics. I’m recognizing evangelicals talk about no division and Christianity but continue to divide if any other Christian does not think like them example Catholics and orthodox Christians
Seems one sided on your biases here.
More likely to see a Catholic talk about no one else is a Christian since they are not a part of the "one true church" compared to an evangelical who would be more likely to admit other denominations can be saved whereas differ on doctrine.
@@jherandsoleil6335Actually the answers to your questions are in the catechism of the Catholic Church, I would encourage guy to read it.
@jherandsoleil6335 I disagree. The church acknowledges that people who are not Catholic can be saved. Evangelicals? They often say that the Catholic church is satanic and is damned to hell.
@@MaaFreddy There was no question
Let’s call it misconceptions then . Anyway the way we ought to relate to our Christian brothers is explained in the catechism.
Mr Parr does one thing in his video... he says I THINK a lot , so it's all basically "his opinion".
I would like to see him explain away Eucharistic miracles.
He would say they are demonic.
It’s funny too because the Church has dealt with, clarified and taught all of this throughout the centuries since the apostolic age. It’s like there’s a mass amnesia
That’s almost exactly what it is. Many evangelicals completely forget the thousand years before Martin Luther, and some done even care about the reformation denominations and are less traditional with the ted talk churches
About church atrocities and corruption, yes, amnesia. False doctrine.
@@FleurPillageryeah false doctrine created by the deformers, who worship Martin Luthefer
My whole life I never felt comfortable in my protestant belief. Since I converted to Catholicism, I can't stand even listening to them anymore and their weirdly enthusiastic tone while flat out lying.
The IHM TREE of life project ua-cam.com/video/Aa9OQHXR27A/v-deo.html a visual history of the Catholic Church from creation to present.
Welcome home! Best choice!
I agree (convert also) it is hard for me to listen to protestant "preachers" anymore.
@@MagnificatForever15 God bless you lol because protestantism is has done a terrible number on the "Christian brand" and even the modern culture
I was just at my former Baptist pastor’s memorial service. They quoted Hebrews and said he was in heaven cheering us on. I sat there realizing they just agreed with Catholics 😀
Catholics don’t believe that people automatically go to heaven. We do believe in judgment day, so your old pastor had to go through his judgment day.
@@femaleKCRoyalsFan Technically, you do not believe his old pastor can even make it into heaven to begin with.
@@dananderson6697 No. We hold that Protestants are in a partial communion with the Church, and that Protestants may possibly be saved. We do not assume of any soul that they are 100% in Hell.
@@EmberBright2077 ...and this is why Catholics are always complaining about "protestants" and what they say about Catholics.
You say you do not assume anything of any soul, meanwhile, your dogma explicitly states that we have to come under the Pope's authority. We have to go to confession, we have to participate in the Eucharist, and so on, which directly undermines and contradicts what you just said. That is dogma - required for salvation.
It appears for all the world that it isn't so much that "protestants" just get Catholicism wrong, as it is that Catholicism is a massive pile of garbled messages and contradictory gobbledygook that not even the Catholic can fully or consistently comprehend.
@@EmberBright2077 ...and this is why Catholics are always complaining about "protestants" and what they say about Catholics.
You say you do not assume anything of any soul - meanwhile, your dogma explicitly states that we have to come under the Pope's authority. We have to go to confession, we have to participate in the Eucharist, and so on, which directly undermines and contradicts what you just said. That is dogma - required for salvation. Worse, a very great deal of Catholics (including Trent here) would say a "protestant" isn't even allowed to participate in half of those sacraments, specifically *because* they are "protestant" and purposefully rejecting Catholic authority.
It appears for all the world that it isn't so much that "protestants" just get Catholicism wrong, as it is that Catholicism is a massive pile of garbled messages and contradictory gobbledygook that not even the Catholic can fully or consistently comprehend.
As usual, Trent delivers. Always addressing the argument and providing evidence for his claims. Trent’s straightforward and evidence based videos are a huge reason for my reversion!
It feels so nice now watching Catholic content not in a state of contempt or fear. I dont know why but when I was a Protestant I would avoid Trent's content because what if he actually causes me to doubt.
As a Catechuman in the Catholic church I am do at peace noe with the Christian faith 😊
Been looking forward to this rebuttal since I saw this Allen Parr video show up on my homepage. It was uploaded just after I watched your debate with Gavin Ortlund on Sola Scriptura, very peculiar timing indeed.
Edit: The new setup is clean!
I appreciate this guys zeal for the faith but man would it hurt him to sit down with an actual Catholic theologian to bounce his thoughts against to at least criticize us correctly? Catholicism is the largest faith in the world, and we have access to the internet, it cant be that hard to do given he walks in Christian circles.
It will greatly hurt him, apparently this is a way Parr is making money. He's not interested in scholarship and theology as it may diminish the number of people giving him money. That's why this kind of preacher is afraid to go out of their echo chamber and confront arguments with other side. He doesn't want Catholic arguments to convince any of his sheep, therefore he prefers to create made up positions to represent Catholic teachings.
Is anyone else bothered that the Sola Fide shirt has a space before faith and then none after alone?
On the bracket? Yeah. Looks printed on and someone made a typo
I am now.
oh lol I see it
Faith has a space with it, and alone is alone.
Never thought I'll write such a sentence.
can't unsee it now you mentioned it
So glad that you are here, Trent. You do great work.
You'd think they would come up with some new arguments from time to time, but, alas, here we go again with the same arguments...
I've only been Catholic for 7 years and all these protestant arguments are all the same. I thank God for opening my heart to the truth and giving me a home in the Catholic church.
Home is in Jesus and heaven, not in a institution
@@JoanArc-or9sr of course. The Church is his bride.
Spiritual definition of church is[ faith in Christ ] Not a building or instution.
@KuleKeapau-nz2ls Yes, the Catholic church has faith in Christ. What's your point?
Faith in christ is personal. .RIGHT
How dare you question Pope Parr? He has definitively defined the entire Bible according to what Jesus intended. All hail Pope Parr!
I did find it quite strange that he showed the correct definition of indulgences but then didn't quote from it and instead said that indulgences pay for sins and not temporal punishments of sin.
Your rebuttal videos are always on point. Charitable with the people, savage with the ideas.
Man I’m in the first rebuttal section and this is hard to get through. This reads like Parr is being willfully ignorant/obtuse but maybe he’s just that convinced of his false position. Immaculate heart of Mary, pray for us
Im Orthodox but It’s so nice getting to cheer on Catholic defenders against protestant attacks.
We will NOT let it slide. As a Catholic apologist, I can't wait for my next challenge I'm FULLY prepared to defend Christ's Church.
The sheer ignorance of Catholic teachings shown by Parr here is absolutely embarrassing. Considering you would go through the trouble of making a video about it you would think you should educate yourself about what Catholics actually believe.
Protestant buisiness is threatened by the large scale exodus to ancient Church.
Honestly, as long as a person is following Christ I am happy (Protestant here).
@@banmancan1894
Following the inspired teachings of early Church fathers and martyres, thier inspired tradition is what flourished the early church.
@@banmancan1894how can you be a follower of Jesus and be protestant at the same time??
Praying for the dead is a sign of brotherly love.
There is nothing to lose to pray for our brothers who needs cleansing of imperfection.
I was explaining to my grandmother (non - Catholic) about purgatory. I explained how many Protestant/Evangelical Christians believe struggle with sins or don't have a chance to ask for forgiveness and repent will make it to heaven "smoking" (I was one of those that believed that way before my conversion to a Catholic Christian). This sounds a lot like purgatory and this helped me to accept the belief in purgatory.
Keep it up!! All holy angels and saints alive in heaven, pray for us! Jesus, I trust in you take care of everything. 🙏🙌🕊
The hand soap 🧼 😂 😅 lol
Allan Parr is so ignorant of catholicism. At least we get his beliefs right.
No y’all don’t so try some other lie
Having been on both sides, lay Catholics are just as bad. But it's definitely the case that informed Catholics better represent Protestantism than the other way around
_Allan Parr is so ignorant of catholicism. At least we get his beliefs right._
Nothing wrong with being ignorant of pagan Catholicism, provided what you say is true about Alan, but not. But there is something wrong with Catholics being ignorant of Christianity, which they are.
@@hatkingempire6286AMEN. ITS ANOTHER CHRIST
_Allan Parr is so ignorant of catholicism. At least we get his beliefs right._
Nothing wrong with being ignorant of Catholicism and it's man made doctrines, provided what you say is true about Alan, but not. But there is something wrong with Catholics lacking knowledge of Christianity, which they are.
Excellent video, Trent. I have recently returned to the Catholic faith, and I am currently reading your book, "The Case for Catholicism," which I am enjoying. I am a trained theologian, with two Masters degrees in theology, and discernment, prayer, returning to the Church Fathers, and the prospect of teaching theology at a Catholic school brought me back. Thank you for defending the faith.
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I love the new thumbnail graphic and the studio setup. It's absolutely wonderful. Keep up the good work Sir. May the Almighty God continue to bless and guide you.
Asking a saint to pray for us has nothing to do with communicating with the dead. The Saints do not talk back.
Nah 😂go to jesus directly.
Yeah, talking to the saints is not necromancy. We’re not using any voodoo to talk to them.
@@peterlee6148 I hope you have never asked another person to pray for you, otherwise you're a hypocrite
Asking a saint to pray for us is found no where in the gospels. The Catholic Church made up their own religion and it's not based on the teachings of Christ.
@@FleurPillager I would think that a Christian would understand that eternal life is exactly that .. eternal life. For the righteous is doesn't start after death and it doesn't end after death. Alan mentions necromancy. Asking a saint to pray for us is not necromancy. Necromancy is trying to communicate with the dead. Communication is a two-way conversation. I speak to them and expect them to engage in a conversation with me. Catholics do not engage in that. When we ask a saint to pray for us, just as we ask our friends here... the prayer we ask them to pray for us goes ONE WAY...to God in the name of the Blessed Holy Trinity. Why would we ask saint to pray for us? We usually ask a saint that has experienced what we feel we are experiencing or a saint we have something in common with to pray for us .. We pray to God. Just because we ask a Saint to pray for us doesn't mean we bypass God...but we know our prayers will usually be what we think we need, not what we truly need. The saint will pray for what we need which will bring us closer to Christ.. ..while our friends will pray for what our earthly minds want...
'The Catholics' is a passive aggressive way of speaking.
I spoke with a Presbyterian pastor once and everytime I used the word Catholic, he would correct me and say "Roman Catholic". Very annoying, as If he would honestly call himself Catholic in his day to day life.
@@poesia-com-cafeina Which was ridiculous on his part as "Roman Catholic" is reference to the Roman Rite. You should have asked him what a "Syriac Catholic" was. lol
My listening attention shut down when Parr started talking about how he's assured of salvation and has no restrictions on anything he wants to do. It's not that I was blocking his voice out of prejudice against his view, it's because what he says is so utterly nonsensical that my mind refused to consider it. So I just went with my instinct and didn't rewind. Life is too short for such nonsense.
Thank you mr. Trent for clearing up a lot of confusion. I've been watching these types of videos and didn't know what to think. Your videos strengthen my Catholic faith and calm me down, haha! God bless!
Most welcome! Thank you for your support of the channel! -Vanessa
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18:00 did he just equate smoking crack to texting while driving? To even suggest those two things in the same sentence is wild.
18:30
Yes he did 🤦♂️🤦♂️
It is simply unwise to smoke crack, brother. But, yeah, onto heaven you go lol
If you are addicted, your culpability may be lowered, but it's best to never use that drug because of guaranteed addiction.
I can accept smoking crack, but texting and driving is where I draw the line!
Allen Parr is the Mike Winger of Calvinism.
This.
I think the main problem I have with Parr's arguments is they frequently assert "I don't think... ." He consistently places his own opinions as if it were an authority in of itself, there seems to be a lack of any true humility.
Good job, Trent. Documented, Compelling, Repectful and Charitable. Thank God for your talent and your work.
New set looks great, Trent. Excellent video!
Before I even get started, what's sad about Allen is Frank Turek had Jimmy Akin on recently to talk about misconceptions about Catholicism. However, Allen is now an instructor with Frank's Cross Examined Instructor academy (which I and Cameron Bertuzzi are graduates). I can't for the life of me figure out why you would have a guy like this be an instructor when he is producing this kind of content.
Catholicism makes you yearn for righteousness which to me is better than some protestants saying i can't lose my salvation. there is no assurance whatsoever. At least I know when I do good works, even if it doesn't contribute to my salvation, I know to some extent I know I will be with God when I die. Your faith in Christ should come with love for Christ.
I have always said Catholicism always make so much sense compared to Protestantism.
I want to explain to you why God sees our works: A lot of people claim, "Once saved, always saved." But there is something they completely forget about--the carnal nature. When we are saved, we are not automatically released from our carnal nature. We must crucify it. That's why Jesus says to take up our Cross.
A lot of people say, "Works can't get you into heaven. Only grace!" And they are correct. But grace links me up to the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is active! He wants to work for God! Just because I am linked to the Holy Spirit, that doesn't make me a self-indulgent slob. Just thinking that is blasphemy! Because I am linked with the Holy Spirit, He does His works through me! He wants to serve God, and He does it through me!
Let me share a story with you: There is a doctor trying to work on a patient. But the patient is being wheeled around by a nurse who won't let him stay put in his wheelchair. Every time the doctor tries to get to the patient, the nurse whizzes him away. The Doctor is Jesus. The Nurse is the carnal nature. And the Patient is you and I. The carnal nature always wants to be in control. The carnal nature can be tamed and can even follow rules because it wants the spotlight. It wants to feel self-righteous. But, there's one thing the carnal nature can't do: it can't be reborn. So, the patient has to look at the nurse and scream, "GET OUT! Leave me alone!" and then the doctor can get to work. The patient isn't doing a good work when he tells the nurse, "Get out!" On the contrary, he is NOT doing what the carnal nature wants.
Wouldn't it be better if the patient was connected to life support, the Holy Spirit, and the doctor can work freely? It would be far better if the patient was critical and supported by the Holy Spirit's life support, then if he was being wheeled around by the carnal nature.
The NLT “translation” of Ephesians 2:8-9 is probably the most egregious mistranslation of that passage I’ve ever seen.
Lutherans don't believe in "consubstantiation" - nor do they believe that there is only a spiritual presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Spiritual presence alone is more of a Presbyterian view
@@mpkropf5062 I'd agree that they have the correct view. But I'm partial to the metaphysical explanation provided by Aquinas
I like to imagine purgatory like someone picking crops. Some of the crops are not salvageable and are thrown out. The ones that are in good condition may be dirty or have other small impurities that need to be cleansed by the farmer.
Purgatory does literally come from a verb meaning to scrub
Where is purgatory explained by Jesus in the gospels? Oh yeah, it's not mentioned.
@@FleurPillager he also never says the word trinity
@@marvalice3455 Priests absolving people of sin? also not mentioned.
@@FleurPillager "those whose sins you forgive are forgiven..."
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Woah the quality of his videos escalated so quickly, thank you for your efforts, God bless!! 💖
“This verse is clear that immediately after death people will be judged based on how they lived their lives.”
*Wearing sola fide shirt*
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😂 Yup.
My brother Trent putting in good work as always!
A discussion with Allen Par about this would be awesome and benefit the body of Christ. Would love to see that.
“Righteous” has a quantifiable definition. Three stages of the interior life explains it clearly. It’s not subjective.
If the Bread and wine is just a " symboL"
Why would this symbol can condemned you if ...
1 Corinthians 11,27-29
27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord.
28. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup.
29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.
Protestants are mistaken thinking the dead in Christ are cut off, the Communion of Saints is actually based on Scripture with Paul's teaching, as in Romans 12:4-13 and 1 Corinthians 12:12-27, that in Christ Christians form a single body.
After watching this I can't help but feel like Parr actually made the Catholic argument sound more attractive.
Protestants still bring up old arguments that have been answered for years now 😂
You mean for centuries.. 😅
Excited to watch, I was waiting for this one 😂🎉
Calvinism has been addressed long ago by Saint Francis de Sales, who used to live in Geneva. Unsurprisingly, no Calvinists at the time were willing to have a disputation with him in public, so he had to write a very long letter instead addressing the Calvinist sect. It has been edited and published in book format in recent times by the English title, "The Catholic Controversy".
Probably because they were in danger of being un alive d by the Catholic Church. They literally burned people for publishing the Bible, reading it and questioning the teachings of the the church.
Loving your new setup, sir Trent! Prayers and cheers from the Philippines. Thank you for your works!
Loving the production value with the new studio, and the content of course is also top tier! Keep up the good work Trent!!
Wow right off the bat he shows so much pride by saying he knows he is a righteous person.
The devil, I mean John Calvin giving them a false sense of security with that OSAS doctrine.
@IoannesVI wow, that's a lot of pride in thinking he's not a righteous person as if you know his heart and have the authority to judge it. Both of you can be prideful at the same time.
@@ethanmiller5487 Is bearing false witness a sin? That's what he's doing in this video against catholics.
You should go watch his video on losing salvation since you think he's not a Calvinist.
@@IoannesVI Is this how you want others to react to your corrections?
Did I say anything about my views on his views? Where are you getting that idea?
He would probably say that any righteousness we have as Christians is "imputed" righteousness, given as a gift from Christ. I think, however, that this is a very narrow view of what it means to be righteous.
This will be an “I rock with the new Trent aesthetic” like button
Keep up the rebuttals. That’s how I discovered your channel and continue to be my favorite kind of videos.
Love how Trent's channel has grown! It's starting to get the attention it deserves!
Allen Parr would never have a debate with Trent. It would be like me getting into the boxing ring with Mike Tyson in his prime. I would get knocked out just by him coming towards me 😂😂😂 same if Parr were to get into any kind of debate or discussion with Trent 😰😱
I love your rebuttal videos. Not only packed with immense amount of information, but also how to deal with certain accusations from others
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Amazing job as always Trent! Thank you!
It's a golden age of apologetics! Debate imminent!
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Oh really? Tell me more! Always interested in hearing stories of successes.
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After raising up to 60k trading with her, I bought a new house and car here in the US and also paid for my son’s (Oscar) surgery. Glory to God.shalom.
I know Ana Graciela Blackwelder, and I have also had success...
Absolutely! I have heard stories of people who started with little or no knowledge but managed to emerge victorious thanks to Ana Graciela Blackwelder.
Thank you so much! Brother in Christ Trent Horn, as soon as I saw his video, I was waiting desperately for you to educate these misinformed Sisters and Brothers In Christ. I trusted it would come and you made my week! Contributions en route🙏🏽❤️🙌🏽💰🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
As an Anglican, I love the charity displayed by Trent. I would have expected Parr to seek dialogue with seasoned apologists before posting the video. Trent speaks with such clarity. In our Euchariistic Prayers, we say ''grant us therefore Gracious Lord to eat the flesh of your dear Son Jesus Christ...''
Christ is King.
Dead Saint? All are alive in Christ.
More videos like this please. I also encouraged Allen to reach out to you. I hope he does.
Thank you for this great video, Trent! Also love the new studio setup!
Glad you like it! Thanks! -Vanessa
Surely I'm not the only one who thinks Trent looks older with the new camera and lighting 😂
Tempus Fugit ⏳️
Memento Mori ☠️
Et Die Iuducii ✝️
Good job. I made a couple videos last week rebutting Allen Parr's video. I hope trent will check them out. One lady said " wow, this is the greatest video ever and you are so special!" Was that lady my mom?? Sure, but a subscriber is a subscriber lol
I just subscribed.
@@phenomenal821thank you. I'm no trent horn but I try to. Defend the faith. I've learned a lot from Trent. He is a blessing to the church.
Hey you gotta start from some where
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@@Ziiphyr That’s right!