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- A discussion of how House Atreides' Mentat Master of Assassins Thufir Hawat utilized his abilities in maintaining fierce loyalty to House Atreides and what happens to Thufir both before and after their fall on Arrakis. SPOILER WARNING as I will be discussing major events from Frank Herbert’s Dune.
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Leto must have been a gem among the other Dukes and nobles if he could inspire such loyalty from so many people because they genuinely wanted to serve and protect him rather than because they feared him.
I always found it sad that duke Leto first was so quickly killed I did find the actor who portrayed him in part one gave a perfect image for the part being so short he did give a good loyal feeling to me
This shows just how much Frank Herbert had the ability to develop 3-dimensional characters throughout the novel. Even the supporting characters were highly developed and complex.
which probably makes the movie so successful. Compare to the garbage that flows from hollywood normally and you see what is missing there.
@@hanskloss7726 Gotta admit this recent movie did well with the vast amount of detail from the Novel. Adapting that would be difficult for anyone especially if they tried telling the story the same way as the book. I’d watch a 4 hour dune movie/movies if the acting could do justice along with the entire sotry
While I loved Villeneuve's Dune, I did wish both Hawat and Piter had more screen time and more development. In particular, Hawat thinking Jessica was the traitor was completely eliminated. I know any film adaptation has to make compromises, but the Mentats (and the fact that Paul had received mentat training in addition to Jessica's BG instruction) received short shrift. Maybe we'll get more in Part Two.
Completely agree. For me, the interaction among supporting characters was what made the book outstanding and each of them deserved their own spin-offs in my opinion. Every single character in the book was witty and intelligent and the dialogues between them was genius at times. But unfortunately Thufir, Piter, Gurney, Kynes were left hollow because of time pressure, which is a shame.
Couldn’t agree more! The mentats were two of my favorite characters!!
Can you someone enlightenment me please, So I know the spacing guild control space travel so when Royal House or any big groups wants to invade another planet how did they travel and if two sides fighting each other meet at the same ship ??, I am new to dune sorry for my ignorance.
@@mikzikomax1851 The spacing guild has rules that everyone has to follow to use their services. One is to stay in your own ship docked inside it's designated compartment of the spacing guild's carrier and another is not to snoop around to find out what other customers have bought passage as well. So both armies could be traveling on the same ship and not even know it.
@@mikzikomax1851 additionally if a house violates spacing guild rules they lose the ability to ship anything. Which not only financially ruins them but also prevents them from fleeing the empire if they end up in a worse case scenario
I think it's inevitable we'll get more of the Mentats in flashbacks in part 2. The path of Muad'Dib hinges heavily on the behind the scenes machinations between Piter and Thufir.
Thufir should have gotten much more coverage. Mentats in general can serve as a HUGE source of Spinoff material. Specifically, a fot and well trained Mentat could serve as a badass assassin in his own right.
I wanted to see that standoff between Thufir and Jessica who he accused of conspiring against Paul if there's a directors cut I would like to see that.
@@andrewforte3852 That is end the end of the book. If it is shown it will be in the next movie.
@@thijsgeurts5003 There's the original confrontation, which occurs early in their Arrakis time. Thufir's apology comes at the end.
Thufir apologizes, saying "you needn't forgive". And she doesn't. It's a heartbreaking example of the weaknesses of a mentat but also isn't a good look for Jessica.
Given how much she's lost and the hardships she's endured, it's understandable. But she still looks pretty bad.
@@andrewforte3852 Honestly, I think it is better cut. To set it up you would need at least 10 minutes of hunting the traitor and Thufir suspecting Jessica, then you would need at least 5 minutes of the confrontation itself. This would make it one tenth of the movie. Too long.
He'll be back in part two and will probably play a much larger role. The same can't be said of Piter, who was portrayed more as a personal assistant to the Baron than the twisted mentat genius that he was. These is no part two for Piter.
I too was disappointed that so much of Thufir was not in the movie. I still think the movie was an amazing adaptation given the vast source material. I have been saying ever since it was announced that if anyone can do Dune justice on the screen - it's Denis Villeneuve. I personally believe Denis concentrated on the Bene Gesserit angle for part one so audiences that were not familiar with the story could understand how Paul was setup and set the stage. Fingers crossed for a directors cut. I know Denis does not do director's cuts, but this was a passion project for him so he may give us one where we can see all that Thufir footage that Stephen Henderson talked about in interviews. And here is hoping that Denis can shift to concentrating more on how Thufir and Gurney were able to work their angles in part two.
Denis has explicitly stated that he wishes to focus more on the story of mentats in part 2, so I am thinking that we are going to get a lot more development of Thufir in part 2 :)
It has been said by Denis that there is no directors cut, that the officially released movie is indeed the "directors cut"
I go to the theater about once a year; this year was Dune. I'd consider going again for a ~5 hour Imax showing of Dune pt 1.
@@ldl1477 same, i doubt it'd be 5 hours, but i'd watch the extended cut. i saw the movie twice anyhow.
what are you talking about? thufir is in the movie, although he only got very few scenes, but where tf is feyd and the emperor saddam the fourth?
I think the movie is fantastic, but the "Fear is the mind killer" recitation needed a bigger part in the Gom Jabbar scene. It was there, but if you didn't already know what to listen for you would have missed one of the most powerful moments in the story.
This is my go to channel for all things DUNE!!!
Thufir was one of the deadliest characters in the book, it would be nice if they had some scenes with old boy putting in that mentat work like only he could.
I've never read the books but have recently been intrigued by the newer Dune movie. What was Thufir like in the books?
@@joeclaridy Extremely intelligent, extremely focused on his duty, and did not carry around a ridiculous pink parasol. This "accessory" ranks with all the other ridiculous things every Dune movie/miniseries has done. It's stupid, cheapens the character, and the director should have known better.
I saw it on Imax today, and it was awesome. While watching, I remembered that with a single word, they could have made everyone go "WTF!!!" during the scene where Paul and Leto talk at the Atredes Graveyard.
"Grandfather died fighting a bull!"
Replace it with what the book says...
"Grandfather died fighting a shielded bull!" The Atredes had a taste for fighting fair...to the point where Atredes bullfighting is done where the bulls are SHIELDED. 0.O
I LOVED the new Dune movie.
There wasn’t a single actor who didn’t ooze charisma.
Everyone was amazing!
Zendaya
@@alpacamale2909 Spider-Man’s girlfriend be cheating on him
The actress who played Jessica was a bit too much at some times. I imagined her to be a stronger character.
@@alpacamale2909 to be fair Zendaya got only a few scenes.
@@asiblingproduction She's insufferable, even when she's quiet she seems to be lecturing me about critical race theory.
Had to come back and say….it was a real treat hearing you on Gom Jabbar podcast again!! Excellent job….your voice is like ear-candy. LOLOL 👍🏻👍🏻
I like the idea that he was able to be among the Harkonnen helping them but also hurting them. It helps explain why the Harkonnen efficient and ruthless were not able to act effectively against the Fremen until too late for it to have a chance.
You have a clear and descriptive approach to your videos. As for Thufir, I was a little disappointed that they didn't give more information on the relationship between Paul and Thufir in the new Dune movie.
Thufir is an amazing character and I'm reminded of the scene in the first Dune movie where he poisons itself rather than Paul; such a good scene.
Me: Herbert tells such rich stories of deception, battling wills, and deep philosophical concepts...
Also me: TEEEEEEAAAAAAAA!!!!! the shade of it all omfg DRAMAAAA
DUNE part1 is great!! I have gotten so much more enjoyment from the books and now both movies (‘84 & ‘21) because of your videos!! Excellent channel, outstandingly edited and a great voice too!!
I love her voice
I love her voice too. There is something about it that is so pleasing but I could never properly explain. She speaks with total confidence, knowing her subject matter thoroughly, but it is not authoritarian or challenging. The pace is perfect, as is the timbre and pitch. It is a warm, welcoming voice, kind of sensual even, that just draws one in. I could listen to her talking on any subject.
I think in an effort to streamline the screenplay a lot of the story was glossed over or not explained. Four of us watched the movie. 3/4 knew little to nothing about Dune. 2/4 walked out of the move saying, "I had no idea what was going on."
As always, excellent work. You should cover all that there is to know about the Crysknife, and the Fadaykin.
The Mentats were not explained in the film, neither was how the Navigator Guild use spice to fold space.
Yea they need to do that in part 2
Read the books?
The holtzman engine folds space, the spice is used by the navigators to see a safe/clear path with slight prescience the spice gives them.
@@NotClosedMinded how does the holtzmann engine do this? ( Briefly)
@@Marvin-dg8vj there's videos on it but it has to do with this scientists named holtzman that figured out some deeper laws and understand of particles. Which was the catalyst for gravity tech, the space time folding and the shields
You covered this material very well. I commend you on such insight. This comes from someone who has gone through the dune universe books and all media adaptations. Ita rare to get such insight. Well done :)
Thank you for continuing your content after Villeneuve's DUNE was released. I've only seen it once and will see it again while in theaters. (Most definitely it is a see-it-in-the-theater movie.)
I just found your channel after doing some Dune Lore Searching on youtube. I love your detailed narration and attention to detail. You got yourself a new Sub!!!
This dude gave me pre season 8 Varys vibes.
I was hoping to see the raid on Giedi Prime in the movie.
Or at least someone coming back and announcing their victory. But at that point it would be a few extra minutes, would shift to a scene of the Baron (or Rabban) angry about the attack, a few comments about needing to use their reserves to pay for the invasion. Part two would then have the Baron telling Rabban to squeeze Arrakis to make up for the shortfall
GP got raided by whom ?
@@deepaksingh-ku9uf Shortly after Atreides took over Arrakis, Atreides troops performed a raid and burned some of House Harkonnen's spice hoard. Since hoards like that are illegal for Houses to have, Baron Harkonnen couldn't really complain overtly, even though the value of the spice lost was immense
@@toddkes5890 oh shit i missed that part in the first novel
Thank you so much! This was fascinating
Excellent synopsis of a great character.
Ok, I just got to this channel. I think I'll be here a while. I really like the way you tell the story. I've always wanted to know how mentats are trained. They are a quite interesting order!
I can really feel the weight of Hawat's guilt as Gurney laugh about Paul snatching a Hunter Seeker with his bare hands in the War Room.
Perceptive. Well-written. Very well-researched.
Given all the action in Dune and the complexity of its character interactions, it is easy make the mistake of viewing Hawat as a character on the periphery of the story and it is good to have your writing to remind one that Hawat's actions after his being captured by the Harkonnens and given the residual poison, lead to actions that stem from Hawat's plans and (mis-) perceptions.
it is interesting to note that Hawat is, if memory serves, so poorly described in the book that the decision to cast an African-American actor as Hawat appears not to have to generated the same degree of controversy that Liet Keyne's race-and-gender swap did.
It seems a particularly positive idea given how popular entertainments like action movies and comic books tend to portray African American characters either as possessing great physical prowess (luke cage, the falcon) but not intellectual acumen except in portrayals that are often too cerebral for the characters to seem natural or believable (e.g, Mister Terrific, Shuri). Having Hawat simply being Hawat while being African American is a departure from both of those extreme trends.
As always, thanks for the video.
It was the gender swap of Kynes that was the main issue as it changes story dynamics. Race was periphery
I really don't see why switching out Liet Keyne was an issue. It is not a major character and her gender/race doesn't bear as much to that character (unlike if you made either the duke or Paul a woman). The race of Liet is because they decided to go with a particular look for Fremen from Arrakis (of which Liet is). The actor who plays Thufir does a good job, as he appears to be very confident and command authority. This is in keeping with the character, as he is supposed to be a mentat that is envied across the entire imperium. He is one of the reasons Atreides are feared, because of their master of assassins.
And I hope Thufir's death doesn't get left out in the second part just in Lynch's version.
They did include it in the extended edition or a deleted scene. But i missed it in the original version
Loving these.
Thanks NC for this very good review. I gotta say that the scant coverage of Thufir and the Mentats was perplexing - it follows on how little emphasis was made on human mind conditioning following the Butlerian jihad. Yes we all cringe a bit with exposition dialog but jeez it really is needed in developing the Dune story. We just have to wait for all that in the 4-hour directors cut that will be released next year. snicker. Cheers!
You're a great channel to recommend for people who have no clue what's going on in the recent movie!
Il still hopeful to see Thufir scenes in an directors cut of Part 1 OR in flashbacks in Part 2. We need more of Thufir.
Thufir Hawat's story is probably the greatest one never told in Dune.
Funny, I don't remember the book mentioning Thufir parading around with a goofy-looking parasol. Does this mean that if Villeneuve does Dune Messiah, Duncan/Hayt is going to parade around Arrakeen and Sietch Tabr with a parasol?
@@Shan_Dalamani is anyone really going to tell a mentat 'no' when they do something eccentric? I mean a Mentat with a parasol isn't exactly the strangest thing we have seen in the Duniverse.
@@johnshaffer3405 Every filmed version of Dune has had some incredibly stupid-looking costume disasters. This is one of Villeneuve's. Having Fremen - conditioned since birth to avoid wasting even the slightest bit of moisture - wandering around outside without stillsuits as they're meant to be worn and used is another. Bene Gesserit sisters/Reverend Mothers wearing doilies/afghans on their faces is yet another. There's a Sesame Street parody of the gom jabbar scene featuring Elmo as Paul, and he asks Mohiam "Why are you wearing a blanket on your face?".
When even the Muppets think your costume choices are dumb, that should tell the director something.
Thank you for another informative and well presented video.
Your description of the corporeal unimportance that the guild navigators discover when they're in the spice melange metamorphoses was absolutely spot-on perfect it was the best possible description I could have used and there was so little words you are definitely an excellent translator /historilogist for the varied inhabitants of this universe I wish to give high praise to you for the succinctly describing such difficult and a monstrously huge complexity . Your skilled Interpretation is absolutely granting the persons who are just learning of this story abilities to enjoy immensely these films and may be the reason we see this through to the god emporer of dune i just wanted to say that. It is to be my posiition that to be a navigator steersman is a rapture most intense and addictive the bene Gesserit iwonder are the ones who convert the water of life into the melange gas which is why the reverend mothers fear the guild high level navigator no one is free of their presiece except the KWISATZ HADERACH.
On a realated topic. Anyone else love the way they had a muad'dib actually creates its own water? I always had a fear the damn thing was drinking its pee!😶🤨😑
It doesn't create it, it gathers moisture on it's big ears and that web it lives in. Sort of a natural still suite..
I do enjoy ur content a lot ...so sorry to sub so late to your channel...and awsome work as always ...thank you
The elaine and nick. Great work again, well written
I'm guessing probably that there will be greatly expanded role for the character in the next installment, maybe just implying some of what occurs in the book through innuendo.
Another reason Paul is so effective is that Thufir trained him in Mentat abilities, and it was even mentioned that the Duke was thinking of sending Paul to the Mentat school because he had the gift. Thufir, what I like about him the most was his in the shadows messing with Harkonnen. Would all of Paul's efforts worked if Thufir was not also sabotaging the Baron? Perhaps.
I'm blown away that mentats are not even mentioned in the film...
I smelled more fresh baked Nerd Cookies so I had to get in board .
Hooray! The theatre was finally opened! I was astounded! The cinematography and special effects were absolutely outstanding!!! I was enthralled with the whole movie. I loved it.
It was sort of strange to see Jason Momoa without facial hair..of course I'm used to seeing him with a bit of scruff from watching him in the Star Gate series.
It was time and money well spent. Cheers and fair winds Elaine. Oh, yeah, I'm just sad that we have to wait so long for part 2,
a Leto biographical film would be interesting, love to see how he gathered squad of advisors and how he became so popular/unpopular
but yet thufirs training of paul since birth his legacy lives on in paul the mentat training the main goal of thier training at birth is that they are not aware they are being trained in such a fashion til later on and paul recognized all the years of training from thufir gurney and his best friend duncan idaho uniting all the training into a whole new, training form a new style of fighting and calculation and paul being able to utilise the wierding way bene gesserit training from his mother as well makes him a true ultra warrior on all levels he deserves the title of the quizach hadderach. i love all dune i hope they do so much more with all the series movies of the first batch of books to chapterhouse then with brian herberts books too and beyond i want to see it all.
I still think we will get our fill in part two.
Funny story that the parasol was unintentionally added, as someone on st borrowed it to him and Denis loved it.
Thought it was the latent poison the Baron had introduced while still on Arakis that Thufir finally succumb to? Always thought that was slimy piece of business. He would only die if he stopped taking the antidote. I think Piter made it.
I agree.
It's been a while, but the text says that Paul realized how much effort it took for Thufir to stay standing, that's before he exposes the needle.
But it's a great death.
Paul: Is there pain?
Hawat: Yes, but the pleasure is much greater, my Duke.
Piter yes and your correct that is how he died
I remember it that way too. He reveals the poison needle to Paul and then succumbs to the poison he had been given previously.
Still love this channel.
I always liked the old Thufir, but I like the casting of the new Thufir even more.
Great video
Thank you!
What I would have love to have seen is a mentat scene that is vaguely similar to the "within cells interlinked" scene from 2049. I don't mean exactly alike, but something unique and imaginative.
He should have been in the movie more. Hopefully he’s coming back.
The scene with Hawat with the parasol is REEEEDICULOUS!!
When i read ( i cant remember if it was hunters or sandworms) i was dissappointed the goula of thufir ended up being a face dancer. granted they already had the goula/clone of miles teg, and from a narrative point, having them both would probably be OP, but it would have been nice to explore the epic mind of thufir in that situation.
Whenever I hear the name Thufir Hawat an image of Freddie Jones inevitably comes to mind.
I would much prefer that Siri and my GPS use the voice of this narrator. So pleasant to listen to.
“Dude, you got to teach me how to do that eye thing you do”
I wonder if they’ll just stop with the Dune book or if they’ll make more of the books afterwards.
There better be a 3 hour director cut to see some more character development with the lesser seen characters
Why are these videos so good?
I think that when Thufir served Pauls grandfather he felt the house was meant to become something great and also developed a strong bond with Pauls grandfather and (the Emporer tried to hire Thufir but rejected him even tho the Emporer obviously offered more money) had developed fatherly feelings towards Leto I and Paul. They could beat the training of the Imperial conditioned doctor but they could not break the Mentat training and Thufirs love for Paul.
Fan request: would be awesome to see you do a flip thru/first impressions of the Dune table-top RPG by Modiphius Entertainment!
It has beautiful art. And you have discussed other types of games on the channel. Thanks!
hawat's death scene is pretty intense. sure hope they don't cut that part out of the next movie or something. even better than when the baron gets it.
First. Love the videos. My favorite channel and host.
Can you make a video about the conversation between the Baron harkonnen and thufir Hawat That takes place after the fall of the Atredies
Bringing Thufir on was a very dangerous move by the Baron. He came so close to killing him with the poison needle planted on the boy. The baron blamed Feyd for that but I feel like Thufir was the one planting these schemes in the first place. He was too arrogant and underestimated the damage that Thufir could do.
Thufir, he's a smart cookie I tell ya hawat.
Hey nerd cookies! Do we know if the Harkonnens had access to still suits before they left arrakis?
I wish we would have seen more of Thufir and Piter de Vries.
I'm almost sure the extended cut will have more Thufir. The studio's do keep their eyes on public opinion and two points i see being made by a ton of people are "not enough thufir." and "Not enough piter." So here's hoping they will!
There will not be an "extended cut."
Dune needs to be a series in the same vein as the Syfy channels mini series.
It occurred to me today (and I’m sure I’m not the first) that Alexander Skarsgård would be great na-Baron Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen in Dune part 2. Admittedly, there are probably people who would be better suited but it would just be funny if the Baron and Feyd were related in real life as well.
I have a question.🤔 Why the Harkonen or the emperor wanted to kill the Atreides?
Atresides was a rising power. The Emperor wanted to eliminate them ASAP before they become too powerful. They use the Harkonens who were known enemies but secretly included Sadakurs( Emperor Special forces ) to assist.
@@theoneaboveall7708 Did the emperor wanted all Atreides completely eliminated or just Leto (as the Reverend Mother thought the plan was)? I thought he was just trying to setback both houses.
@@nunyabiznes33 all of them. No witnesses. But the Bese Generits are a separate political power that has influence too.
In the book, Hawat is an effective knife fighter himself - in neither movie does this come across
Hey, i would like to ask something. Where did Hawat get the Harkonnen letter about the traitor among Atredies? I am not native English, so i missed that part in the book.
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Can you someone enlightenment me please, So I know the spacing guild control space travel so when Royal House or any big groups wants to invade another planet how did they travel and if two sides fighting each other meet at the same ship ??, I am new to dune sorry for my ignorance.
I never understood why Hawat killed himself. Surely he had figured out the Harkonnen poison by then and could have resumed his service to House Atreides?
I'd like to know why he was fooled into thinking Lady Jessica was the traitor. And also he did not seem the type who would serve the Harkonnens even under duress against the remnants of the Atreides. Surely death would be preferable than to work against his friends.
Uhh, he clearly thought he was helping his friends?
My only complaint in the 2021 movie was that actions like the raid in geidi prime didn't happen. They didn't need to show that they happened but could have referenced them in the staff meeting like they did in the book.
After watching the actor on stage, I can understand his casting...
Hawat's plan was to drag Houses Corrino and Harkonnen into a mutually catastrophic war by encouraging the Baron's imperial ambitions and the use of the Fremen to counter the Sardaukar. He advised him to abandon Rabban in order to keep the Emperor's suspicions at bay. The Baron went with these risks because he was too greedy. By the time the Harkonnens had developed a sufficient force of Fremen soldiers, it would be too late for the Corrinos to stop it and both houses would be facing annihilation at the hands of the others' supersoldiers. So they would use nukes.
Loyalty best describe this man
I wanted more of Thufir
I have a Dune lore question. There is a lot of talk about "the universe" (war across the universe, Emperor of the known universe etc, but have mankind even left our own galaxy yet?
I'm guessing not, space is too vast to even get to the fringes of galaxy clusters, a large galaxy alone, such as the milkyway, is hard enough to travel. Even wh40k and starswars can't get out of there galaxy's. I do not not fully know the capability of the spacing guild. maybe, maybe not.
@@kalebgonzales4009 The scary thing is even after 20.000 years in the future we still haven't found any intelligent "Aliens" yet although I'm aware they've found a structure that wasn't entirely natural. In the end, humanity is the only (known) race in the entire galaxy that has the capabilities of space travel and conquering other planets.
Coincidentally it's also the reason why I found Dune to be much more interesting than Star Wars because its *probably* the most realistic depiction of what human civilization in the future would look like ignoring the crazy abilities the bene Gesserit have including Paul.
Humanity have indeed spread beyond the galaxy thanks to spice and the holtsman drive travel is instantaneous using guild high liners
One of the main themes of the series is the Golden Path, Paul Atreides' plan to rescue humanity from its stagnation. He never got to implement it, but Leto II did, and he scattered humanity far and wide throughout the universe, far out of the galaxy. The last two novels, Heretics of Dune and Chapter House Dune, deal with those far-flung chunks of humanity returning to the main galaxy,
So yes, the story of Dune can be thought of as being in one galaxy, if you want to stick to the narrative itself, or the universe, for the whole scope.
Dune is massive, especially once you get to the Era of the god emperor, but I wont spoil that for you. You really should read the novels.
Dune Lore has the Great Houses only controlling 1-2 planets each, and each Great House has several Minor Houses that control parts of their planet. If you accept the Encyclopedia, then there are ~160 Great Houses.
So math time: Assuming there are 200 Great Houses, a Great House controls 2 planets (Harkonnen controlled Giedi Prime, Lankiveil, and a temporary hold over Arrakis that shouldn't count), each Great House has ten Minor Houses that handle nearby system mining operations, that is 400 habitable worlds and 2000 worlds being mined. The nice part is that thanks to the Guild Heighliners these systems don't have to be all that close to each other. So you could have humanity spread over part of the Milky Way, but they are scattered very loosely.
How did Thufir know in the end that Jessica was not the traitor? Did he do the math then and there before his death? Was it before, off screen? The misbelief of Jessica's role was such a large part of his sadness and character after the invasion. His sudden realization of the truth and suicide still strikes me as deflating to this day. I would have loved to know which data convinced Thufir that Jessica was not the traitor.
Hawat was such a badass
I loved Thufir. One of my favorite characters. I was genuinely disappointed when the Tleilaxu never made a ghola of him far in the future like they did for others. (No spoilers for those that havent read Sandworms and Hunters of Dune)
The American philosopher Thomas Kuhn observed that science at times brings an end to a system of thought, a model of how the world works, when a new way is radically better, to bring about a “paradigm shift” 10,000 years of selective breeding revealed in Thufir a blinkered thinking suitable for a static galactic society. Thufir was a master at playing that “chess game”, but by the time of the novel, that game was about to be smashed by Paul.
Will we see House Ordos & the Trikes??
(in part 2)
While everyone else likes Duncan and Gurney, my favorite was Thufir. A man constantly plotting and thinking ahead, not with supernatural prescience but solely by the power of his own mind.
I have only ever seen David Lynch's version of Dune and thought it was pretty cool but never really had an interest in reading the books. After watching several of your videos I just bought the 6-book box set.
How have you progressed through the series? It gets pretty strange after a while.
@@magetaaaaaa I finished Chapterhouse a while ago. I've decided to stop there as I've heard the Brian Herbert/Kevin J Anderson books don't really capture the spirit of Frank Herbert's storytelling and read more like fanfiction.
At this point, I have only unshakable faith Denis Villeneuve will provide us _at least_ noticeably significant showcasing of Thufir _...most deftly portrayed by the quietly charismatic and charming Stephen McKinley Henderson!_
Can you do foundation lore
Thufer knew they had an agent of the Harkonnen family that infiltrated the highest ranks of the Atradies House !!! So why didn't Thufir triple the guard on the shield generators and shielding equipment, weirding module's, and their frigates ( air power ).
Thufir truly was a failure at being the head of security because of age and although useful he was left in to critical a post .
Next knowing someone was a close double agent to the family they needed more in person direct security like the Emperor used sardicar was in his presents all time if times called for it.
The atradese house falling was from simple security holes and unqualified management .
The DUDE. by Frank Herbert.
wheels within wheels within wheels
What happens to Caladan whilst the events on Dune are taking place?
Count fenring and lady margo are granted caladan but he didn't spend much time there ( imperial business) after the first book it was given to gurny and Jessica. And it became something of a sanctuary for people escaping the wars and Jessica eventually reconciled with the sisterhood and started a school in the palace for young sisters. ( study with our most famous failure) in new canon material. A few years into Paul's reign his enemies. ( a faction of noble houses around 87 of them allied against paul and attempted the launch a nuclear bombardment of caladan as the guild wouldn't transport to dune , paul saw it in a vision and launched a preemptive strike nuked all 87 planets. ( the figure was taken for paul himself in messiah, but he never gave a reason or backstory in messiah) gurny eas also given guide prime and with the people of caladan started a multi generation plan to make the planet less hellish and de harkonnan as much as possible. ( they colonised it as well )