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I spilled beer on my bed and before cleaning it up thought, "What would Luke do?" I then drank a pint of vodka and pissed on the beer to sterilize it. 1 solution to 3 problems. say no to bloat!
Isn't it just an old georgia flag? www.google.com/search?q=georgia+old+flag&sxsrf=ACYBGNSOBiw0516IGzOCw-I_mlA5JjQVmQ:1575117952059&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjt4IvQ-5HmAhXCmIsKHeTOA3EQ_AUoAXoECA8QAw&biw=1920&bih=937
@@user-ro1cc8tz6d think of it more as a flag signifying the rebellious nature of the individual's American spirit, as well as a reverence for our ancestry. Much less about enslaving black people. The media would like you to think otherwise, but I thoroughly believe they're attempting to rewrite history every chance they get.
@Eric Loos hear, hear. Buy guns, buy ammo, protect yourself and your family. It's not impossible for blood to be spilled on American soil once again. Though I pray it won't come, and that our nation will snap from it's stupor.
As a seasoned boomer myself - I cant remember a single day of my life when HP didnt suck. It you want HP product that DOESNT suck - buy their vacuum cleaner. This is not about modern technology - this is about HP. And their alliance with Broadcom (and common hatred towards Linux) is well known since late 90s. You just dont buy HP - full stop , end of story.
I also have an X220T, fantastic machine. been with me throughout college and now it works as a remote server. it survived rain, snow water spills on the keyboard and a fall into the sewers. STILL WORKS with cosmetic dmg only. LOVE IT. the only bad thing is its processor is starting to show its age.
Older Dell Latitude and Precision models have a lot in common with old Thinkpads too. Tough, thick, modular, easy to access and replace/upgrade components. Plus, Dell offer Linux as an operating system option when purchasing.
I fiercely love my X200! I put a good SSD in it and shoehorned in 8GB of RAM and it runs beautifully - not slow at all. I look at the new ThinkPads when they come out and have a good think about getting one, but invariably I end up going "Naaaahhhhh!" and carry on using my X200. =)
11:34 - My favorite part of the rant "Everything aGAIN... hard bbll thhheeeeeee the hARD (uuuhhhh)... hard drive- just 1 screw out. Everything- Once you open this stuff up... Everything basically clicks out. In HERE, you open it up, Everything is ... right nek- right on top of Everything (ingghhhhh) *shaking in rage* THIS THING HAS MORE ROOM! ITS should be THE THING that *gasps for air* yknow HAS MORE BREATHING ROOM! But this is a much more (euuhuhuhuh) if you actually open it up it's easier to use."
It's more uefi on laptops with secure boot that's a pain in the ass. Edit: I understand you can disable secure boot. It's more that its a stupid unnecessary step. So stop replying with that same comment.
@@gunner75171 Yes but unless you have a surface or a MacBook (and I would think it's not the case if you watch Luke lmao) it should be pretty straightforward to disable it. that or install and use shim
11:26 HOW F-KING DARE YOU ???!!!???? *I AM A girl, A WOMAN , A FEMALE AND I looooveeeeee my THINKPAD x250 !* It's even MY BEST COMPUTER ! i *hunted* this computer on my romanian refurbished sites and got it at a very cheap price ( only 220 bucks vs 350+ in stores) AND i got 1 year protection & preinstalled windows 10. which of course i didnt use ,lol. I installed on my own MANJARO GNOME took me 3 days of 12h/day reaserch bcz i know jack shit bout partitions and kernels etc etc but i succeed to install it . & learned so much in the process AND i customized it so well you will be f.king impressed! It looks NOTHING like the outa box experience. It doesnt look like Windows and HELL NAH it doesn't look like Mac. i love this computer so much ! I never thought i would love a 12.5 inch laptop this much
I'm still using a 7 year old thinkpad just because I can't justify buying a laptop that's guaranteed to be worse. At least not until it literally becomes too underpowered for browsing with a single tab.
@11:29 er...... 'girls' DO use these Lenovo laptops. I love them because of their functionality, keyboard (key travel is perfect) and design - the T series look sleek as hell. I'm loving my T460s, it's the only windows laptop that converted me away from Apple. Open your mind a little, from a fellow boomer. ;)
I've been ThinkPad pilled for about a year now thanks to Mr. Smith. I have a W510 and X201. I'm a little upset at the fact normies push the market towards that sleek design since it is more fragile and inherently more difficult to repair and replace parts. Companies like that since normies will just buy a new laptop or phone or whatever when something needs to be fixed. Ideally it should be robust and modular without having some kind of major firmware difficulty. Great video, Luke!
It annoys me that new laptops have too large flexing track pad without dedicated buttons, even worse when there is zero tactile feedback on borders. And it's unstably slow even on highest sensitivity. Never got used to Track-point since it wasn't much of a thing anymore - it's tricky to be precise and quick.
I was looking to replace my very new, and very dead toshiba laptop that I loved so much. The power supply circuits died on the mobo, so of course the whole thing is junked now. I came across information about building a thinkpad to be more powerful and way wayyyy more robust than most laptops for less than a new one. I am now a proud owner of a Lenovo Thinkpad T440P. Literally perfection.
2012 Dell Inspiron hdd swap >remove 12 screws on the backside >remove DVD drive >remove RAM cover >remove keyboard by prying it out >remove touchpad by prying it out >don't forget to disconnect those ribbon cables :^) >remove middleplate through brute force >disconnect wifi and screen ribbon cable >unscrew 3 screws on the screen hinges, set aside screen >remove another bazillion screws, unplug a powerboard and other accessories >remove motherboard, flip it upside down >swap hdd >have fun reassembling everything Most laptops have always been cancer. Also i worked with HP probooks from 450 g1 to g4 and all of those had clip-removable batteries and easy access to the hdd and ram. Shame.
@@ba-a-a what exactly is a nightmare? I just uscrewed all the back screws and put an extra m2 ssd and a ram slot and closed it back again, took me like 5 minutes, so idk why the complaints🤣
2012 Dell Latitude HDD swap >remove 2 screws >pull out the caddy >remove 2 screws to remove the hard drive from the caddy >screw the new hard drive in to the caddy with the 2 screws >put the caddy back into the laptop >screw the caddy to the laptop with 2 screws This can be done in just few minutes
Totally agree. UEFI is there to discourage the installation of any non MS operating system. If I buy a new laptop, I never boot into Winblows. It gets Linux as soon a it comes out of the box. My favorite lappy is by far my Thinkpad. I had an old IBM Thinkpad. That think booted from button press to Arch Linux login screen in 9 seconds.
I have 3 working x220 Thinkpads, I corebooted them (seabios payload) gave one to my son for university. The other 2 I have (almost) mirrored KDE Plasma Desktop installs, one on top of Arch (daily driver), the other FreeBSD (for consideration). Both run extremely well I also have 2 incomplete x220 bases , both corebooted one is for messing with and building coreboot roms, the other is gonna be turned into a desktop for my daughter, I think the x220 is the sweetspot for Thinkpad supremacy
I don't understand why new laptops are so focused on "aesthetic" and "clean design" and have soldered RAM and Storage, I think of computers as tools and that they should be as function over form as possible, to add some context, I'm a Gen Zer whose first was computer was an old lenovo laptop (not a thinkpad sadly) that was awesome, also I agree about UEFI, replace with coreboot/libreboot or just use BIOS.
Hp Is the most garbage company that is ever invented. I Hear problems with heat and hardware just dont work well AND in love with Windows. HP Is one phrase: piace of garbage.
Older HP EliteBooks are basically on-par with ThinkPads. I would avoid their consumer laptops, but the same goes for Lenovo. In the HP EliteBook 8770w you can replace both the CPU and GPU. This gives you a choice between AMD or Nvidia and allows you to choose between consumer or workstation GPUs depending on your needs. I have mostly dealt with ThinkPads, personally, but HP and Dell made some good business laptops as well.
My HP envy x360 "13 Ryzen 5 runs pretty decent, and SSD replacement was pretty easy. Fan noise sucks even tho CPU it self is cool when on Linux though, looking to solving that.
@@aurimasb1732 it's sad to see the fan noise in my 2012 HP EliteBook Folio 9470m is still not fixed on even the latest laptops from HP lol. It becomes really irritating in a quiet room
This is hilarious.. i just learned of your channel and existence and I'm a former arch user, now a void user that runs dwm and just bought a used thinkpad x220 and vim is my favorite editor. So I'm a fan without even knowing it apparently.
@Dorian Grey You're a pretty angry man but I have to thank you for saving me from making a dumb comment about the Confederate flag that wasn't in fact there. In my defense, I'm not an American so I don't know a hoot about Georgia.
Dorian Grey You can’t really blame people for not liking the american nation. IMO the southern states and some of the midwestern states will secede in the next few decades.
THAT is pure love, pure love to the thinkpad :3 which i really like. Thank you for making such nice and good content and people should know what real quality is!!!
I was impressed when I installed Debian 10 a few different laptops in the house - on one of them, the installer asked for me to download 2 files for the WiFi, which I did and the WiFi was working. I guess I could have plugged in an Ethernet cable, but at least it handled it reasonably well to ensure a good experience from first login.
Wifi drivers were always a problem on Linux. It was even a meme back around 2000 on Slackware, when spending days to get it working was just the natural state of things. There's a reason we had projects like NDISwrapper to run Windows drivers on GNU/Linux. It even worked most of the time! In addition to that it doesn't help that the linux ABI is constantly in development. A simple update from kernel 4.16 to 4.17 can make your wifi stop working. There's a lot to say about Windows, but their compatibility and slow-changing API's are a big reason they have the big market share and Linux doesn't. The only reason old Thinkpads work so well with Linux is just because they're, well, old. And a lot of developers use these laptops of course. Also, "Using linux with UEFI is such a pain", is that not partly to blame on boomer-y linux devs too? We're also not booting in real mode anymore.
I'm looking at the xps 13 developer edition (mainly cos it has a thunderbolt 3 port so I can game on it with an external graphics card). Would you recommend?
@@KingJellyfishII yes, I use an external GPU. There is a cpu bottleneck, so not as good as desktop. But still plays all games. These external GPUs work in linux too.
@@TheBodgybrothersthat's good. I'm guessing it's not gonna be more of a CPU bottleneck than having an i3 2130 in your desktop... (My gpu is a gtx 1050)
I have a Lenovo L480, a modern laptop, and everything works right. The key point here is Lenovo's Thinkpad. They are easily upgradable and work with Linux like a charm. For other brands besides Lenovo I do agree with you
I like old laptops too but i do love the direction new laptops are going in. The number of cores i get on them to do simulations and virtual workloads is unmatched. They do have some drawbacks, but overall i think it's a huge help.
That's only the CPU though (which is soldered to the board nowadays), still does not excuse the fact that they are still a pain to open up and swap out their batteries.
I remember a time when soft modems became a thing. No non-Windows drivers/software existed at the time. I used an external Hayes to gt around that, and freed up a slot to boot
One of my machines is a MSI GS60 Ghost Pro and you have to remove something like 12ish screws plus the whole motherboard and fan assembly in order to get to the M2 drives and RAM! A nightmare. In contrast, my T440p - two screws and you're there!
Is there any modern laptop that follows the thinkpad philosophy ? I mean in the sense of them being very easily reparable, parts being easily replaceable and laptops being upgradable. Of course without need to have the motherboard exposed in order to acces hard drive or whatever. I ask because it is going to be more and more difficult to get parts to fix them as time goes on. Even if you are very careful with your thinkpad, eventually we are going to run out of old second or third hand thinkpads to use. What do we do then ?
Also, have you seen the ThinkPad x62? They're sold by 51nb a group who sell modern motherboards that fit inside classic Thinkpad chassis' , again like with Framework they're on the pricey side. The parts issue, I'm not too worried about because the Chinese do a decent enough job making keyboards, the only annoying thing is sourcing new/quality batteries and maybe screens as well
Only the ThinkPad T480 does. It's like a Framework 13, but 4-5x cheaper. I honestly don't know why people would buy a Framework 13 (especially the 11th gen Intel model) when T480 exists. T480 is the newest proper, authentic ThinkPad, and it's the only proper ThinkPad to be officially and fully supported by Windows 11. It's a lot more future-proofed than even the T470p, let alone the T470.
Luke: "Smaller, simpler processes run faster" Also Luke: "I need to emulate a classical 3 stage boot process because vanilla uefi spooks me" efibootmgr > boomer boots
UEFI has advantages, but most implementatons of the specification needlessly extend the pre-boot surface area. Lightweight firmware like coreboot and libreboot, which I believe Luke uses, achieve the same performance without bloat.
I agree with you. I bought me a new laptop to replace me Thinkpad T430 because it was showing age and I was wanting something light for college. I'm surprise that Arch found my new laptop (HP Pavilion) wifi but my dad was wanting to switch Linux and he have a newer HP (year or two older) and Linux Mint didn't see the wifi driver so I had to find the driver and it was a pain to the point I about gave up till I finally found the wifi driver in github. The biggest thing I miss from my Thinkpad is the keyboard I got used to it and how easy it was to upgrade. I still got to get used the keyboard on my new HP and my dad's HP it was a pain to replace his old HDD and RAM. How you replace the hard drive in your HP was about the same.
Watching this on my T430 upgraded with an i7-3840QM processor, 16GB RAM, 2 SSDs and a better screen. These things are insanely upgradeable and customiseable.
Have a house full of Thinkpad workstations. They do a variety of chores including video editing. Great machines, easy to repair and upgrade. My newest is a W540. Most run 24/7.
100% agree with everything you said. My thoughts: Secure Boot = Fake Security If it doesn't work out of the box with Linux, which it does 99% of the time, then it's going to be a pain to get working, but maybe it's hardware you shouldn't be using.
Well secure boot can be a good thing if configured properly. Normally computers ship with secure boot keys that only work with windows, I replaced those keys with my own keys on my computer and now I can sign my own software, including grub and the Linux kernel. Once one of my friends tried to prank me by putting a windows bootable USB drive and when I fired up the PC the firmware stopped right there and refused to load it. Not really an evil maid attack but still, it worked :)
My T530 is almost 12 years old and still going strong. when I got it , it came with 2GB DDR 3 ram, a 160 GB HDD and a DVD drive. I upgraded to 16 GB ram a 128 GB SSD boot drive and a 1 TB storage drive.
Had to use old Mom's laptop from over 10 years ago and while it's dual core Intel cpu with crappy integrated graphics, I was surprised to discover there are 3+ pcie interfaces exposed, two completely replaceable hard drives I replaced with SSDs and very compact motherboard. Pretty much perfect material for DIY routers, an ssh machine I used it for, or just basic internet browsing with modern Linux distro. Too bad old cpu means your are leaving compile times improvements on the table.
Not just old thinkpads have the little singular screws for places. I have this really old computer that can remove ram, bluetooth, hard drive, battery, and a few more with just a single screw and a lid.
Sorry the problem is Linux when it comes to drivers. The Kernel devs decided to have an unstable ABI which means you cannot distribute binary drivers easily.
There are companies like Atheros putting out proper free drivers that can be included in the kernel. I would rather more companies follow this path than make it easier for companies to release proprietary blobs.
@@SoundToxin So would I. However that doesn't change the fact that this situation was made by the kernels to force people to release their code GPL. Also there is pretty much zero benefit to Nvidia to in releasing the source. I wouldn't release the source to kernel devs (there are tonnes of regressions in the kernel).
GRUB is bloat having to be manually installed when systemd-boot which is UEFI only already exists on systemd distros (I know you don't use it any more). It's just a single command to enable and presents a much simpler experience. Some older ThinkPads don't support booting into Linux via UEFI however. Also, users of company-issue computers can be locked out of traditional BIOS just as easily.
This is why you buy new laptops with Linux already installed(and to save money on the windows tax), that way you KNOW it's completely designed for it and everything "just werks".
They are often more expensive than Windows Laptops, because they aren't in mass production. System76, Tuxedo, Thinkpenguin or Librem are some examples I know about.
@@xijinpingpong4426 There are markets for it for example Hungary where they are sold because they are cheaper than Windows laptops. There laptops with Endless OS are out on display. Regular manufacturers like Asus supply these markets.
@Peter Andrijeczko I'm going to shamelessly hijack this comment thread to ask you about your experience about updating stuff on Gentoo in all these years. Some people say it's a pain, some people say it's a breeze, I'm considering using it myself but I'm midterm right now and don't have enough time for conflicts et all. TY.
ThinkPad keyboards are shit. Also, you're complaining about the move to unibody design? Remove the back cover and literally everything is exposed. It's not remotely difficult. You're really complaining about old computers versus new computers. As someone who actually has to service computers constantly, I strongly prefer the single-plate design over the old way. Static is also not an issue with any computer from the past 20 years because CMOS chips are designed with protective circuitry. You'd have to be throwing some big sparks.
after I saw the bug walking on the left at 2:55 every black dot on your table seemed to be another one and I had a hard time concentrating on what you were saying
Had a 2020 HP laptop and battled with WiFi issues so much the only thing that kept me using Linux was how fast everything worked and actually thought the WiFi issue I was experiencing was everywhere then I got myself a ThinkPad T480 and everything worked out of the box
I miss old tech. things where simpler on a thinkpad. life was better. things were easier to fix. gone are the days of dropping your laptop, and frantically opening the screen to see that its still fine. the days where you could drop your Nokia in the toilet, dig it out, and call your wife/bestfriend and tell them you just dropped your phone into 3 ft of water.
Luke hit the nail on the head. All new non-socketed wannabe macbooks dont have the "engine" that a true coder really needs. The only time i dont use my bluetooth keyboard on the job , is when my hands are on top of an oldtimer series thinkpad.
I was stupid enough to buy a Probook 450 G5 a few years back and it's been nothing but trouble. So far it's still alive somehow, despite the HP cooling solution being complete crap for the i7 in it. Anything even moderately CPU intensive - extracting files, "light" gaming, multiple browser tabs means the CPU is gonna run at 100 degrees celcius. Pulling it apart to put more RAM in, swapping the M.2 drive is fine and the 2.5" drive is surprisingly easy to get to, but the drive bay is so poorly designed that the 2.5" drive rattles about without being properly taped down and on several occasions I've had it disconnect because it's slipped out of it's slot. An attempt to sort out the overheating basically led me to pulling everything to bits, the case had to be split into three basically: the keyboard, the frame and the underside panel with the motherboard attached. Motherboard had to be *removed* from the underside panel, which required one of those annoyingly small Torx screwdrivers, alongside the battery to get to the heatpipes and the like and pulling this apparatus off led me to find basically no thermal paste on the CPU. It wasn't even that it was baked onto the CPU like you would see after a few years of use, it was non-existent. I compare this experience to the time I pulled apart a friend's 2012 Lenovo Thinkpad to reapply thermal paste - relatively quick and painless and I managed it while drunk. UEFI and secureboot has basically corrupted one install of Kubuntu when I had to sort out the shoddy Nvidia Optimus supprt (when I was toying around with it). I'm fortunate in some ways with this HP laptop, my previous Pavillion I broke when having to take it apart to replace a faulty 2.5" HDD, the ribbon cable for the power button was torn off during installation because in an effort to be "sleek" they completely threw away decent design principles. Ultimately I've had enough of HP garbage, it never used to be like this, laptops were actually quite simple to pull apart - I can remember being 10 or so pulling apart older HP laptops without any real issues. 20 year old zoomer rant tldr; modern laptops are terrible. It's not even a matter of ergonomics, it isn't hard to design an easy to pull apart ultrabook with a decent cooling solution, it's just the idiots at HP (and other brands I am sure) are completely incapable of creative solutions. Either that or they do so on purpose for planned obsolence and to deter people from fixing their own computers.
I haven't joined the Thinkpad masterrace yet, but my 12 year old Medion with Linux still runs fine while friends have issue after issue with their Macbooks and expensive modern gaming laptops.
>flat screen instead of crt attached to nintendo 64
are you even a boomer?
Rgb bro
At least it's a 2000s flat screen.
Boomer yells at random laptops
Is he really a boomer tho? But sort of a funny comment
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@sivan ferna yes it is
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I spilled beer on my bed and before cleaning it up thought, "What would Luke do?"
I then drank a pint of vodka and pissed on the beer to sterilize it.
1 solution to 3 problems.
say no to bloat!
This comment should be pinned
Now everytime I do something , I'll first evaluate "What would Luke do?" . Thanks man !
This made my day after 2 years))) Thanks man, hope you are living your life the unbloated way
“This is where I keep a bunch of old memorabilia”
*Confederate flag sitting on cabinet*
Isn't it just an old georgia flag?
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Nothin' wrong with the ol' stars and bars
i am very confused about confidential flag as non-american that i don't care anymore
@@user-ro1cc8tz6d think of it more as a flag signifying the rebellious nature of the individual's American spirit, as well as a reverence for our ancestry. Much less about enslaving black people. The media would like you to think otherwise, but I thoroughly believe they're attempting to rewrite history every chance they get.
@Eric Loos hear, hear. Buy guns, buy ammo, protect yourself and your family. It's not impossible for blood to be spilled on American soil once again. Though I pray it won't come, and that our nation will snap from it's stupor.
At least that HP still has an ethernet port
Unfortunely ethernet cabel is only 3m (10ft) :/
edit : sorry I forgot that in US you use feets
@@carlod1605 Ethernet cable can be any length.
@@carlod1605 Chief you know you can buy longer cables
Like unless you wanna go over 100 meters you won't have a problem
The proper red-pilled measurement would have been in yards: 3m ~= 3.2 yards.
Peripherals in hp laptops are a pain to get working on linux. I once even tried to hackintosh it but could manage to boot it up
"My employers are bunch of boomers" *boom* unemployed
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You claim not to be a gaymer, but then you have Nintento 64 in alongside with your Thinkpad.
If you were a true boomer you'd play SNES. N64 controllers are bloated.
Controllers with shift registers are bloat, 2600 only
@@VBYTP CPUs are bloat, "Tennis For Two" is all you need.
Computers are bloat. just do everything on paper.
Paper is bloat, use stone tablets.
Stone tablets are bloat, use cave wall.
@@spicybaguette7706 just make sure your chisel isn't organization-dependant
Atari is the most minimal, just a stick and a button
As a seasoned boomer myself - I cant remember a single day of my life when HP didnt suck. It you want HP product that DOESNT suck - buy their vacuum cleaner. This is not about modern technology - this is about HP. And their alliance with Broadcom (and common hatred towards Linux) is well known since late 90s. You just dont buy HP - full stop , end of story.
HP = crap HPE = ok
elitebooks are good
“If you want something that doesn’t suck - buy their vacuum cleaner.” Bruh I’m dead 😂
Friends don't let friends buy HP.
Their printers are god tier tho rite
>shows desktop
>has n64 with banjo kazooie
damn luke, you're a chad even in gaming
Man I bet you and Louis Rossmann can do a 2 hour podcast about this lmao
I’d like that.
That would be a hell of a podcast.
Hell yeah! I would love to see that!
And I'd watch the absolute hell out of it.
This is why I'm really excited to see what system76 does with their own custom made laptops.
Watching this on my X220 running Debian 10... And the best part: Luke's earlier Thinkpad videos actually got me into Thinkpads!
"it's almost a meme" yeah right, ALMOST
I also have an X220T, fantastic machine. been with me throughout college and now it works as a remote server. it survived rain, snow water spills on the keyboard and a fall into the sewers. STILL WORKS with cosmetic dmg only. LOVE IT. the only bad thing is its processor is starting to show its age.
Older Dell Latitude and Precision models have a lot in common with old Thinkpads too. Tough, thick, modular, easy to access and replace/upgrade components. Plus, Dell offer Linux as an operating system option when purchasing.
I have a Dell Latitude from the 90s. Giving it an "SSD" (CF card in an IDE adapter caddy) was a cinch.
Yep. I have a latitude 5580 with a 940MX and a quad core i7. Great machine and incredibly easy to upgrade. Had no issues with Linux
Bad internet = perfect security mechanism to protect those Thinkpads from meltdown/spectre
“Gaming is a waste of time”. *N64 on desk*
tbf old gaming consoles' hardware is super interesting...
I fiercely love my X200! I put a good SSD in it and shoehorned in 8GB of RAM and it runs beautifully - not slow at all.
I look at the new ThinkPads when they come out and have a good think about getting one, but invariably I end up going "Naaaahhhhh!" and carry on using my X200. =)
still using your x200? :))
@@jjjjjjj4610 You betcha! =)
I just bought a used X200 myself. I’m gonna put an AFFS screen in it and make it even more awesome than it already is!
having no usb3 ports is hard
Framework Laptop: *heavy breathing*
11:34 - My favorite part of the rant
"Everything aGAIN... hard bbll thhheeeeeee the hARD (uuuhhhh)... hard drive- just 1 screw out. Everything- Once you open this stuff up... Everything basically clicks out. In HERE, you open it up, Everything is ... right nek- right on top of Everything (ingghhhhh) *shaking in rage* THIS THING HAS MORE ROOM! ITS should be THE THING that *gasps for air* yknow HAS MORE BREATHING ROOM! But this is a much more (euuhuhuhuh) if you actually open it up it's easier to use."
never had any issues with uefi on linux, boomer!
It's more uefi on laptops with secure boot that's a pain in the ass. Edit: I understand you can disable secure boot. It's more that its a stupid unnecessary step. So stop replying with that same comment.
@@gunner75171 Yes but unless you have a surface or a MacBook (and I would think it's not the case if you watch Luke lmao) it should be pretty straightforward to disable it. that or install and use shim
Got mine to boot with UEFI but since it was a Vaio nothing worked
@@gunner75171 pretty sure you can turn off secure boot
@@gunner75171 Disable secure boot in the BIOS.
ThinkPad? More like a ThiccPad lel.
11:26 HOW F-KING DARE YOU ???!!!???? *I AM A girl, A WOMAN , A FEMALE AND I looooveeeeee my THINKPAD x250 !*
It's even MY BEST COMPUTER !
i *hunted* this computer on my romanian refurbished sites and got it at a very cheap price ( only 220 bucks vs 350+ in stores) AND i got 1 year protection & preinstalled windows 10.
which of course i didnt use ,lol.
I installed on my own MANJARO GNOME
took me 3 days of 12h/day reaserch bcz i know jack shit bout partitions and kernels etc etc
but i succeed to install it . & learned so much in the process
AND i customized it so well you will be f.king impressed!
It looks NOTHING like the outa box experience.
It doesnt look like Windows and HELL NAH it doesn't look like Mac.
i love this computer so much ! I never thought i would love a 12.5 inch laptop this much
I'm still hunting a Thinkpad but it seems like Brazil sellers have all make a agreement to throw all Thinkpad batteries in junk
I'm still using a 7 year old thinkpad just because I can't justify buying a laptop that's guaranteed to be worse. At least not until it literally becomes too underpowered for browsing with a single tab.
@11:29 er...... 'girls' DO use these Lenovo laptops. I love them because of their functionality, keyboard (key travel is perfect) and design - the T series look sleek as hell. I'm loving my T460s, it's the only windows laptop that converted me away from Apple. Open your mind a little, from a fellow boomer. ;)
Hello fellow 30yo boomer heh I lowballed some millennial into giving me his thinkpad x240 for 140$ and I got rid of my HP G3.
hello man love your vids
I've been ThinkPad pilled for about a year now thanks to Mr. Smith. I have a W510 and X201. I'm a little upset at the fact normies push the market towards that sleek design since it is more fragile and inherently more difficult to repair and replace parts. Companies like that since normies will just buy a new laptop or phone or whatever when something needs to be fixed. Ideally it should be robust and modular without having some kind of major firmware difficulty. Great video, Luke!
It annoys me that new laptops have too large flexing track pad without dedicated buttons, even worse when there is zero tactile feedback on borders. And it's unstably slow even on highest sensitivity. Never got used to Track-point since it wasn't much of a thing anymore - it's tricky to be precise and quick.
I was looking to replace my very new, and very dead toshiba laptop that I loved so much. The power supply circuits died on the mobo, so of course the whole thing is junked now. I came across information about building a thinkpad to be more powerful and way wayyyy more robust than most laptops for less than a new one. I am now a proud owner of a Lenovo Thinkpad T440P. Literally perfection.
I'm thinking of a t440p too it's the only ThinkPad I've used Linux on and it's really nice
2012 Dell Inspiron hdd swap
>remove 12 screws on the backside
>remove DVD drive
>remove RAM cover
>remove keyboard by prying it out
>remove touchpad by prying it out
>don't forget to disconnect those ribbon cables :^)
>remove middleplate through brute force
>disconnect wifi and screen ribbon cable
>unscrew 3 screws on the screen hinges, set aside screen
>remove another bazillion screws, unplug a powerboard and other accessories
>remove motherboard, flip it upside down
>swap hdd
>have fun reassembling everything
Most laptops have always been cancer. Also i worked with HP probooks from 450 g1 to g4 and all of those had clip-removable batteries and easy access to the hdd and ram. Shame.
Oh god, don't get me started on Inspirons, I've unscrewed ans screwed back this shit dozens of times and it's still personal nightmare of mine.
@@ba-a-a what exactly is a nightmare? I just uscrewed all the back screws and put an extra m2 ssd and a ram slot and closed it back again, took me like 5 minutes, so idk why the complaints🤣
@@ricci2511 now try to clean out fan of this massive overheating piece of wires, you hate to literally unscrew everything, OP post related
I have a dell vostro 1550 notebook from 2012 and first 7 steps are same.
2012 Dell Latitude HDD swap
>remove 2 screws
>pull out the caddy
>remove 2 screws to remove the hard drive from the caddy
>screw the new hard drive in to the caddy with the 2 screws
>put the caddy back into the laptop
>screw the caddy to the laptop with 2 screws
This can be done in just few minutes
Totally agree. UEFI is there to discourage the installation of any non MS operating system. If I buy a new laptop, I never boot into Winblows. It gets Linux as soon a it comes out of the box. My favorite lappy is by far my Thinkpad. I had an old IBM Thinkpad. That think booted from button press to Arch Linux login screen in 9 seconds.
I have 3 working x220 Thinkpads, I corebooted them (seabios payload) gave one to my son for university. The other 2 I have (almost) mirrored KDE Plasma Desktop installs, one on top of Arch (daily driver), the other FreeBSD (for consideration). Both run extremely well I also have 2 incomplete x220 bases , both corebooted one is for messing with and building coreboot roms, the other is gonna be turned into a desktop for my daughter, I think the x220 is the sweetspot for Thinkpad supremacy
I don't understand why new laptops are so focused on "aesthetic" and "clean design" and have soldered RAM and Storage, I think of computers as tools and that they should be as function over form as possible, to add some context, I'm a Gen Zer whose first was computer was an old lenovo laptop (not a thinkpad sadly) that was awesome, also I agree about UEFI, replace with coreboot/libreboot or just use BIOS.
Who the heck thought that HP keyboard design was a good idea? Is it there for aesthetic purposes and not actually meant to be used?
Most new laptops have that kind of keyboard because it's what MacBooks have
Personally i don't actually mind those keyboards, my biggest gripe is with the stupid layout rather than the keys
It's cheaper that's it
Hp Is the most garbage company that is ever invented. I Hear problems with heat and hardware just dont work well AND in love with Windows. HP Is one phrase: piace of garbage.
I don't use HP hardware by principle tbh
Older HP EliteBooks are basically on-par with ThinkPads. I would avoid their consumer laptops, but the same goes for Lenovo. In the HP EliteBook 8770w you can replace both the CPU and GPU. This gives you a choice between AMD or Nvidia and allows you to choose between consumer or workstation GPUs depending on your needs. I have mostly dealt with ThinkPads, personally, but HP and Dell made some good business laptops as well.
@@SoundToxin most pre 2014 HP laptops are pretty solid. The newer ones are trash
My HP envy x360 "13 Ryzen 5 runs pretty decent, and SSD replacement was pretty easy. Fan noise sucks even tho CPU it self is cool when on Linux though, looking to solving that.
@@aurimasb1732 it's sad to see the fan noise in my 2012 HP EliteBook Folio 9470m is still not fixed on even the latest laptops from HP lol. It becomes really irritating in a quiet room
Don't ask questions, just consoom ThinkPad and get excited for next ThinkPad
This is hilarious.. i just learned of your channel and existence and I'm a former arch user, now a void user that runs dwm and just bought a used thinkpad x220 and vim is my favorite editor. So I'm a fan without even knowing it apparently.
2 uploads in 23 hours???? Not even a full day.....
Boomers work hard ethic at work
you're like a Starbucks drinking version of louis rossmann
>confederate flag
Uh oh, guess who's not getting his PhD anymore
BoOoOoM
@Dorian Grey im not american uwu
@Dorian Grey You're a pretty angry man but I have to thank you for saving me from making a dumb comment about the Confederate flag that wasn't in fact there.
In my defense, I'm not an American so I don't know a hoot about Georgia.
Dorian Grey You can’t really blame people for not liking the american nation. IMO the southern states and some of the midwestern states will secede in the next few decades.
Him- Girls don't like this computer it's a good sign
My sister- hmmmm
(She likes them too)
2:54 you can see a little friend crawling on the table on the left hand side
Are you watching in 4k? 😂
Hello,
Mr. Smith, this is your boomer employer writing this message to let you know that you are fired.
Okay, boomer.
Bullshit. There are WAY too few typos for this to be from a real boomer
THAT is pure love, pure love to the thinkpad :3 which i really like. Thank you for making such nice and good content and people should know what real quality is!!!
I was impressed when I installed Debian 10 a few different laptops in the house - on one of them, the installer asked for me to download 2 files for the WiFi, which I did and the WiFi was working. I guess I could have plugged in an Ethernet cable, but at least it handled it reasonably well to ensure a good experience from first login.
Old probooks are also really upgradable, detachable battery, no screws needed to swap things like ram
Then moment I saw your computers. A smile came to my face. I have a similar computer set-up. A personal old X230 & a similar company issued HP.
typed this from my Thinkpad X220.
I use gentoo btw
@@masteradams2411 I run a desktop with a faster CPU to cross compile for my X220, but that was 7 months ago :) I run on my T450s now.
I use Arch BTW
"girls do not like computers that look like this" oh yes we do :3
You aren't a girl thou... in fact YWNBAW.
Yes we do
HP elitebooks are the closest to a thinkpad design from HP
Wifi drivers were always a problem on Linux. It was even a meme back around 2000 on Slackware, when spending days to get it working was just the natural state of things. There's a reason we had projects like NDISwrapper to run Windows drivers on GNU/Linux. It even worked most of the time!
In addition to that it doesn't help that the linux ABI is constantly in development. A simple update from kernel 4.16 to 4.17 can make your wifi stop working. There's a lot to say about Windows, but their compatibility and slow-changing API's are a big reason they have the big market share and Linux doesn't.
The only reason old Thinkpads work so well with Linux is just because they're, well, old. And a lot of developers use these laptops of course.
Also, "Using linux with UEFI is such a pain", is that not partly to blame on boomer-y linux devs too? We're also not booting in real mode anymore.
Xps13 user here and the nvme drive replacement was pretty simple. And linux runs a treat without hardware issues.
I'm looking at the xps 13 developer edition (mainly cos it has a thunderbolt 3 port so I can game on it with an external graphics card). Would you recommend?
@@KingJellyfishII yes
@@yuri0r ok will buy soon
@@KingJellyfishII yes, I use an external GPU. There is a cpu bottleneck, so not as good as desktop. But still plays all games. These external GPUs work in linux too.
@@TheBodgybrothersthat's good. I'm guessing it's not gonna be more of a CPU bottleneck than having an i3 2130 in your desktop... (My gpu is a gtx 1050)
Take a shot every time that he says "boomer".
I have a Lenovo L480, a modern laptop, and everything works right. The key point here is Lenovo's Thinkpad. They are easily upgradable and work with Linux like a charm. For other brands besides Lenovo I do agree with you
"This is where I actually I keep my old, kid stuff."
Confederate flag on the wall....You have been doing this for awhile, haven't you?
That X60 and X220 will still be working when that HP piece of junk is e-waste.
Having X220 and X230 as my daily driver. UPGRADE Ram and SSD to it and it feels like a new Laptop.
Dells and HPs of 7+ years also had externally removable batteries and drives. I think the new way helps force the purchase of new laptops more easily.
I like old laptops too but i do love the direction new laptops are going in. The number of cores i get on them to do simulations and virtual workloads is unmatched. They do have some drawbacks, but overall i think it's a huge help.
Only reason why i dont use ThinkPad is that they are hard to get and performance sucks.
That's only the CPU though (which is soldered to the board nowadays), still does not excuse the fact that they are still a pain to open up and swap out their batteries.
I remember a time when soft modems became a thing. No non-Windows drivers/software existed at the time. I used an external Hayes to gt around that, and freed up a slot to boot
7:03 Why do you have that flag?
It hurt when you spun the HP with the cables 360° instead of turning it the other way.
One of my machines is a MSI GS60 Ghost Pro and you have to remove something like 12ish screws plus the whole motherboard and fan assembly in order to get to the M2 drives and RAM! A nightmare. In contrast, my T440p - two screws and you're there!
Yeah it's annoying, I have to recompile and install my WiFi driver for my "newer and better" laptop, every time I reinstall. Thinkpads are better.
Wish they kept the modular style of the older laptops :/
Is there any modern laptop that follows the thinkpad philosophy ?
I mean in the sense of them being very easily reparable, parts being easily replaceable and laptops being upgradable.
Of course without need to have the motherboard exposed in order to acces hard drive or whatever.
I ask because it is going to be more and more difficult to get parts to fix them as time goes on. Even if you are very careful with your thinkpad, eventually we are going to run out of old second or third hand thinkpads to use.
What do we do then ?
Also, have you seen the ThinkPad x62? They're sold by 51nb a group who sell modern motherboards that fit inside classic Thinkpad chassis' , again like with Framework they're on the pricey side. The parts issue, I'm not too worried about because the Chinese do a decent enough job making keyboards, the only annoying thing is sourcing new/quality batteries and maybe screens as well
Only the ThinkPad T480 does. It's like a Framework 13, but 4-5x cheaper. I honestly don't know why people would buy a Framework 13 (especially the 11th gen Intel model) when T480 exists.
T480 is the newest proper, authentic ThinkPad, and it's the only proper ThinkPad to be officially and fully supported by Windows 11. It's a lot more future-proofed than even the T470p, let alone the T470.
That thumbnail LMAO
The virgin Lenovo vs the chad IBM
Luke: "Smaller, simpler processes run faster"
Also Luke: "I need to emulate a classical 3 stage boot process because vanilla uefi spooks me"
efibootmgr > boomer boots
Modern processors are bloated.
UEFI has advantages, but most implementatons of the specification needlessly extend the pre-boot surface area. Lightweight firmware like coreboot and libreboot, which I believe Luke uses, achieve the same performance without bloat.
miss these thinkpad videos they mad comfy
I agree with you. I bought me a new laptop to replace me Thinkpad T430 because it was showing age and I was wanting something light for college. I'm surprise that Arch found my new laptop (HP Pavilion) wifi but my dad was wanting to switch Linux and he have a newer HP (year or two older) and Linux Mint didn't see the wifi driver so I had to find the driver and it was a pain to the point I about gave up till I finally found the wifi driver in github.
The biggest thing I miss from my Thinkpad is the keyboard I got used to it and how easy it was to upgrade. I still got to get used the keyboard on my new HP and my dad's HP it was a pain to replace his old HDD and RAM. How you replace the hard drive in your HP was about the same.
T480 is the last proper ThinkPad. They're already increasing in price. I got two already.
I guess im regret brought the E585 instead of T480
.... NO ONE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT PHONE?
Cool stuff though....
"Uh, nasty!"
Honey Badger don't care.
Watching this on my T430 upgraded with an i7-3840QM processor, 16GB RAM, 2 SSDs and a better screen. These things are insanely upgradeable and customiseable.
Have a house full of Thinkpad workstations. They do a variety of chores including video editing. Great machines, easy to repair and upgrade. My newest is a W540. Most run 24/7.
100% agree with everything you said.
My thoughts:
Secure Boot = Fake Security
If it doesn't work out of the box with Linux, which it does 99% of the time, then it's going to be a pain to get working, but maybe it's hardware you shouldn't be using.
Well secure boot can be a good thing if configured properly. Normally computers ship with secure boot keys that only work with windows, I replaced those keys with my own keys on my computer and now I can sign my own software, including grub and the Linux kernel. Once one of my friends tried to prank me by putting a windows bootable USB drive and when I fired up the PC the firmware stopped right there and refused to load it. Not really an evil maid attack but still, it worked :)
On my newer laptop, I couldn’t go into UEFI while booting. So annoying! To install Linux, I had to go through the Windows settings only to enter UEFI.
I love my T450. I previously had a T43, but I couldn't use it as a main machine as it was way too old.
My T530 is almost 12 years old and still going strong. when I got it , it came with 2GB DDR 3 ram, a 160 GB HDD and a DVD drive. I upgraded to 16 GB ram a 128 GB SSD boot drive and a 1 TB storage drive.
The thinkpad T420, T430, T440p & T480 are the absolute Kings of not just Thinkpads, but Laptops overal..... Fight me.
Had to use old Mom's laptop from over 10 years ago and while it's dual core Intel cpu with crappy integrated graphics, I was surprised to discover there are 3+ pcie interfaces exposed, two completely replaceable hard drives I replaced with SSDs and very compact motherboard. Pretty much perfect material for DIY routers, an ssh machine I used it for, or just basic internet browsing with modern Linux distro. Too bad old cpu means your are leaving compile times improvements on the table.
I'm Gen X, but my future great grandchildren are going to laugh hilariously as they say, "Ok, Z-er!" It all comes around, bubba.
I am a girl and I am happy with my Thinkpad T430, so maybe I am one exception to the rule..
Not just old thinkpads have the little singular screws for places. I have this really old computer that can remove ram, bluetooth, hard drive, battery, and a few more with just a single screw and a lid.
* Laughing in Clevo N750WU *
well as a internship student they gave me a X230 as work laptop with linux installed i think iam in the right company now
Sorry the problem is Linux when it comes to drivers. The Kernel devs decided to have an unstable ABI which means you cannot distribute binary drivers easily.
Why are you on this channel you dumb zoomer
There are companies like Atheros putting out proper free drivers that can be included in the kernel. I would rather more companies follow this path than make it easier for companies to release proprietary blobs.
@@SoundToxin So would I. However that doesn't change the fact that this situation was made by the kernels to force people to release their code GPL.
Also there is pretty much zero benefit to Nvidia to in releasing the source. I wouldn't release the source to kernel devs (there are tonnes of regressions in the kernel).
GRUB is bloat having to be manually installed when systemd-boot which is UEFI only already exists on systemd distros (I know you don't use it any more). It's just a single command to enable and presents a much simpler experience. Some older ThinkPads don't support booting into Linux via UEFI however.
Also, users of company-issue computers can be locked out of traditional BIOS just as easily.
This is why you buy new laptops with Linux already installed(and to save money on the windows tax), that way you KNOW it's completely designed for it and everything "just werks".
They are often more expensive than Windows Laptops, because they aren't in mass production. System76, Tuxedo, Thinkpenguin or Librem are some examples I know about.
@@xijinpingpong4426 There are markets for it for example Hungary where they are sold because they are cheaper than Windows laptops. There laptops with Endless OS are out on display. Regular manufacturers like Asus supply these markets.
@@xijinpingpong4426 Pine laptops are cheap, not sure about the build quality though
Get a nice Dell
@Peter Andrijeczko I'm going to shamelessly hijack this comment thread to ask you about your experience about updating stuff on Gentoo in all these years. Some people say it's a pain, some people say it's a breeze, I'm considering using it myself but I'm midterm right now and don't have enough time for conflicts et all. TY.
ThinkPad keyboards are shit. Also, you're complaining about the move to unibody design? Remove the back cover and literally everything is exposed. It's not remotely difficult. You're really complaining about old computers versus new computers. As someone who actually has to service computers constantly, I strongly prefer the single-plate design over the old way. Static is also not an issue with any computer from the past 20 years because CMOS chips are designed with protective circuitry. You'd have to be throwing some big sparks.
What. Who actually uses the tracknipple? I've always despised it.
after I saw the bug walking on the left at 2:55 every black dot on your table seemed to be another one and I had a hard time concentrating on what you were saying
Had a 2020 HP laptop and battled with WiFi issues so much the only thing that kept me using Linux was how fast everything worked and actually thought the WiFi issue I was experiencing was everywhere then I got myself a ThinkPad T480 and everything worked out of the box
I miss old tech. things where simpler on a thinkpad. life was better. things were easier to fix. gone are the days of dropping your laptop, and frantically opening the screen to see that its still fine. the days where you could drop your Nokia in the toilet, dig it out, and call your wife/bestfriend and tell them you just dropped your phone into 3 ft of water.
Luke hit the nail on the head. All new non-socketed wannabe macbooks dont have the "engine" that a true coder really needs. The only time i dont use my bluetooth keyboard on the job , is when my hands are on top of an oldtimer series thinkpad.
I was stupid enough to buy a Probook 450 G5 a few years back and it's been nothing but trouble. So far it's still alive somehow, despite the HP cooling solution being complete crap for the i7 in it. Anything even moderately CPU intensive - extracting files, "light" gaming, multiple browser tabs means the CPU is gonna run at 100 degrees celcius. Pulling it apart to put more RAM in, swapping the M.2 drive is fine and the 2.5" drive is surprisingly easy to get to, but the drive bay is so poorly designed that the 2.5" drive rattles about without being properly taped down and on several occasions I've had it disconnect because it's slipped out of it's slot. An attempt to sort out the overheating basically led me to pulling everything to bits, the case had to be split into three basically: the keyboard, the frame and the underside panel with the motherboard attached. Motherboard had to be *removed* from the underside panel, which required one of those annoyingly small Torx screwdrivers, alongside the battery to get to the heatpipes and the like and pulling this apparatus off led me to find basically no thermal paste on the CPU. It wasn't even that it was baked onto the CPU like you would see after a few years of use, it was non-existent. I compare this experience to the time I pulled apart a friend's 2012 Lenovo Thinkpad to reapply thermal paste - relatively quick and painless and I managed it while drunk.
UEFI and secureboot has basically corrupted one install of Kubuntu when I had to sort out the shoddy Nvidia Optimus supprt (when I was toying around with it).
I'm fortunate in some ways with this HP laptop, my previous Pavillion I broke when having to take it apart to replace a faulty 2.5" HDD, the ribbon cable for the power button was torn off during installation because in an effort to be "sleek" they completely threw away decent design principles. Ultimately I've had enough of HP garbage, it never used to be like this, laptops were actually quite simple to pull apart - I can remember being 10 or so pulling apart older HP laptops without any real issues.
20 year old zoomer rant tldr; modern laptops are terrible. It's not even a matter of ergonomics, it isn't hard to design an easy to pull apart ultrabook with a decent cooling solution, it's just the idiots at HP (and other brands I am sure) are completely incapable of creative solutions. Either that or they do so on purpose for planned obsolence and to deter people from fixing their own computers.
is that a slave owner flag?
based
yeah hes a bootlicker and tries to preach free software shits crazy
I haven't joined the Thinkpad masterrace yet, but my 12 year old Medion with Linux still runs fine while friends have issue after issue with their Macbooks and expensive modern gaming laptops.