Why All Teaching Is Ineffective (and Hamburgers)

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  • @biehdc
    @biehdc 5 років тому +1635

    "You have to put your meat up front" - Luke 2019

  • @一郎-e1i
    @一郎-e1i 5 років тому +1262

    >literal burger education
    Why are we europoors not surprised!

    • @agugyin
      @agugyin 4 роки тому +13

      fuck the system

    • @kristerrs
      @kristerrs 3 роки тому +30

      @@agugyin you either fuck the system, or the system fucks you

    • @randomrandom316
      @randomrandom316 3 роки тому +4

      @@kristerrs The system fucks you more often than you would/could fuck the system

    • @RED-jg6mt
      @RED-jg6mt 3 роки тому

      lmaoo

    • @RED-jg6mt
      @RED-jg6mt 3 роки тому

      @@kristerrs hot?

  • @4.0.4
    @4.0.4 5 років тому +764

    Imagine eating a hamburger like that - first eating the top bun, then the meaty part, then finish by the bottom bun. The analogy itself shows why it's a bad idea. You want a bit of meat with each bite.

    • @Ayyy-lmao
      @Ayyy-lmao 4 роки тому +107

      Big brain

    • @BlueSatoshi
      @BlueSatoshi 4 роки тому +24

      I saw a vid of a cockatoo eating pizza like that once.

    • @c4call
      @c4call 3 роки тому +13

      Lol it might tell you the ingredients a good essay needs, but if anything, you want to help the reader consoom it like a burger..... take it bite-by-bite, with a bit of everything in each bite.

    • @seronymus
      @seronymus 3 роки тому +21

      Galaxy brain activated

    • @user-rd3jw7pv7i
      @user-rd3jw7pv7i 3 роки тому +11

      absolute chungus brain

  • @colinkennedy
    @colinkennedy 5 років тому +530

    "Ramble towards the end of your videos" - so you can get >10 minutes and earn more of that sweet, sweet ad revenue

  • @tr1084
    @tr1084 5 років тому +387

    I vaguely remember a second grade teacher talking about the burger method. Common core and its consequences have been a disaster for the burger race.

    • @apenasmeucanal5984
      @apenasmeucanal5984 5 років тому +17

      🍔 🌎

    • @vintagegamer7027
      @vintagegamer7027 5 років тому +17

      Burger method is just classical writing, nothing to do with common core.

    • @Gogglesofkrome
      @Gogglesofkrome 3 роки тому +1

      @@vintagegamer7027 burger method, burger core, the difference matters little - only the unfortunately mispositioned, meaty substance buried deep within.

    • @baronvonbeandip
      @baronvonbeandip 3 роки тому

      @@Gogglesofkrome idk, I like Beethoven's Sonatas. 3 > 1 > 2 mvmt for 14th sonata seems dumb.
      If the bun on the burger is good, you will appreciate the burger when you get to it

    • @andrewunderhill1260
      @andrewunderhill1260 2 роки тому

      I am Burger gender, hold the pickle!

  • @bruderdasisteinschwerermangel
    @bruderdasisteinschwerermangel 5 років тому +600

    Of course Americans use fast food as a metaphor for education

    • @azertyuiop7893
      @azertyuiop7893 5 років тому +44

      Hamburgers > Yuropoor.

    • @InhabitantOfOddworld
      @InhabitantOfOddworld 5 років тому +15

      Tbf my Britbong teacher used burgers as a metaphor at least a decade ago

    • @sandro5535
      @sandro5535 3 роки тому +3

      Salute MR Tesla, Wanna spit on Edisons grave?

    • @awuuwa
      @awuuwa 3 роки тому

      of course

    • @baronvonbeandip
      @baronvonbeandip 3 роки тому +1

      It's because freedom units aren't applicable here.
      No, wait, my pet bald eagle is saying it is always applicable.
      My mistake. Praise be to America.

  • @8bit_pineapple
    @8bit_pineapple 5 років тому +742

    This is why I hated mathematics at uni.
    You'll come out of a lecture able to calculate the Laplace transform of a function ... but no bloody clue why you would ever want to.
    Weeks later (when you've forgotten) you're told what they are for.
    They should have just titled the first lecture: "Mathematicians Hate Him. Learn to Solve Differential Equations with this One Simple Trick.".
    Then I would have felt like a 420 bad-ass like Euler solving differential equations left right and center.

  • @cowoverthere5485
    @cowoverthere5485 5 років тому +335

    If you look really closely, he's being meta with this video, I've just been Neil degrass tysoned

    • @RED-jg6mt
      @RED-jg6mt 3 роки тому +1

      uncle luke brings the heat

    • @yash1152
      @yash1152 2 роки тому +1

      > _"If you look really closely, he's being meta with this video, I've just been Neil degrass tysoned"_
      hmm what?

    • @Mastikator
      @Mastikator 2 роки тому +2

      @@yash1152 He taught you how to teach with the teaching method he talked about in the video

    • @yash1152
      @yash1152 2 роки тому

      @@Mastikator oh lol. didnt know this thing has been given the pronoun of "Neil degrass tyson"

  • @albertschotschneider5024
    @albertschotschneider5024 5 років тому +218

    It's like writing a scientific paper: the abstract is vital and almost always decides if the paper is worth reading. 🤓

    • @thexavier666
      @thexavier666 5 років тому +55

      I read it like this. Abstract -> Conclusion -> Introduction -> Implementation -> Methodology

    • @pyguy9915
      @pyguy9915 5 років тому +1

      @@thexavier666 is "Implementation" the same as "Results"? Or do you just ignore the results? 😁

    • @symq
      @symq 5 років тому +27

      after the abstract, the paper goes like this: you tell them what you're gonna tell them, then you tell them, then you tell them what you just told them

    • @albertschotschneider5024
      @albertschotschneider5024 5 років тому +13

      @@symq And in the conclusion you tell them what you already told them 😂

    • @bbbbrrrzzt5166
      @bbbbrrrzzt5166 5 років тому +4

      No, you should read Methodology before Conclusion. Methodology is the meat of the paper.

  • @sonnenradrising8585
    @sonnenradrising8585 5 років тому +243

    This explains why the Dark Knight Rises is one of my favorite movies despite me forgetting most of it. The scene at the beginning where CIA guy said "you're a big guy" and Bane said "for you" grabbed my attention.

    • @HarashiKalou
      @HarashiKalou 4 роки тому +17

      If we pulled that scene off the movie, would it hurt the audience's attention ?

    • @BlueSatoshi
      @BlueSatoshi 4 роки тому +12

      Fun fact, the CIA guy is that trilogy's iteration of Slade/Deathstroke.

    • @Gogglesofkrome
      @Gogglesofkrome 3 роки тому +14

      @@HarashiKalou it would be extremely painful

    • @HarashiKalou
      @HarashiKalou 3 роки тому +5

      @@Gogglesofkrome It's a long movie

    • @Gogglesofkrome
      @Gogglesofkrome 3 роки тому +10

      @@HarashiKalou 4 u

  • @horatiopugwash9183
    @horatiopugwash9183 5 років тому +153

    Fear of immediate and painful death is the best teaching method, I have found. My Telephone Marketing 101 course may have a 75% mortality rate, but the surviving students really know the subject.

    • @StripsMcKinsey
      @StripsMcKinsey 4 роки тому +12

      You know, I've thought of the concept of a Death School before. Talk about engagement :^}

    • @yuriythebest
      @yuriythebest 2 роки тому +11

      @@StripsMcKinsey there probably is an anime about that

    • @crusaderACR
      @crusaderACR Рік тому

      @@yuriythebest I'll never know cause I don't watch anime
      anime is for losers and normies

  • @tonynguyen725
    @tonynguyen725 5 років тому +450

    look at this boomer in a forest talking about boomer things to zoomers. What a boomer

  • @papi_no_pop
    @papi_no_pop 5 років тому +132

    I got a lot of flack for teaching my students too "off the cuff" compared to other lab sections, which had a strict outline for the lab demonstrations. Turns out my students did better than the other labs.
    Also had multiple students thank me for treating them like a person vs a number. Wasn't hard to do, just had to be willing to make mistakes and be honest.
    One of the hardest things to overcome for a lot of teachers (especially new ones) is to answer a students question with the seemingly forbidden "I don't know". It actually creates a more engaged experience more often than not.

    • @MadsterV
      @MadsterV 2 роки тому +25

      "I appreciate the feedback, #7"
      kudos on being able to say "I don't know". This caused me SO much trouble along the years as a student, having to learn how to guess when people have switched into bs mode because they don't know the answer.... even being accused of making things up when I knew something that the teached didn't. Fragile, fragile egos.

  • @Goodmanperson55
    @Goodmanperson55 5 років тому +442

    Of course Americans know about the hamburger. What else do you expect?

    • @Lawiah0
      @Lawiah0 5 років тому +2

      @Chaim Goldburger , the top 10 drugs sold worldwide treat carnivorism in humans.
      The Research firm IMS released the Top Ten (10) most prescribed drugs sales, for 2015.
      These are just some of the drugs the state of the art Apex Predator, called Hu-man, must purchase and consume
      to stay alive. The need for these drugs represent why the business of Socialism and Social Insurance is thriving in
      the year 2015.
      1) thyroid gland and thyroid cancer drug
      Hypothyroidism or “hormone diseases”, Thyroid Deficiency Strikes One in Six.
      2) cholesterol-lowering drug
      Are you eating more Cholesterol then your body produces naturally?
      3) asthma medication
      GOT MILK?
      Got children on inhalers? -- shame on you.
      4) proton pump inhibitor (reduction of gastric acid production)
      GOT Meat, Dairy and Oil?
      5) asthma medication
      GOT MILK?
      6) insulin glargine injection (diabetes)
      Once the Arteries are coated with Animal Fat and Cholesterol they can no longer absorb the insulin and sugar
      bond, and pull it into the trillions of cells.
      7) attention-deficit drug
      20% of calories consumed must be from carbohydrates to adequately nourish the brain.
      About 80% of your calories should come from Carbohydrates.
      8] antiepileptic drug
      Treatment for epileptic seizures
      Does your family have a history of mental illness?
      GOT Meat, Dairy and Oil, but very little Carbs?
      9) chronic obstructive pulmonary disease drug
      GOT COW TIT?
      Got lung diseases and blocked airflow?
      Are you going to blame this on genetics or the environment?
      10) diabetes drug
      Have you been Putting Body Parts in your mouth?
      Cholesterol and Fat work as a two part epoxy, coating and eventually blocking the Arteries.
      Top Sellers
      Arthritis drug adalimumab (Humira, Abbott Laboratories) had sales of about $8.3 billion
      Antipsychotic medication aripiprazole (Abilify, Otsuka Pharmaceutical) at $8 billion
      Hepatitis C drug sofosbuvir (Sovaldi, Gilead Sciences) at $7 billion
      Cholesterol-lowering drug rosuvastatin (Crestor, AstraZeneca) at $6 billion
      Arthritis drug etanercept (Enbrel, Amgen) at almost $6 billion.

    • @XaverHellauer
      @XaverHellauer 5 років тому +6

      @@Lawiah0 I guess you are using Arch, btw

    • @Selbstdenkender
      @Selbstdenkender 5 років тому +5

      Although it was invented in Germany, in the City of Hamburg...

    • @Lawiah0
      @Lawiah0 4 роки тому +1

      @@bashisobsolete.pythonismyn6321
      Ketosis is a sign of sickness, where elevated levels of ketone bodies form when liver glycogen stores are depleted, at this point the body starts using fatty acids instead of glucose (sugar). When glycogen is not available in the cells, the lower state process of Lipolysis forces the body to convert fat stores into glycogen (sugar), in an attempt to survive, this process is called beta-oxidation.
      ...
      *Come on everybody use those years of Programming and lets do the Standard American Diet (SAD) Cheer.*
      Give me an *[F]*
      Give me an *[A]*
      Give me an *[T]*
      What does that Spell? *[C A R B S]*

    • @Lawiah0
      @Lawiah0 4 роки тому

      @@bashisobsolete.pythonismyn6321
      *You defend one of these Judaeo-Freemason fictional stories:*
      ...
      *Theory* - SPACE (Big Bang)
      ATOM, remove Electron create Explosion
      Evolution, requires you an APE like creature to consume flesh and blood
      ...
      *Faith* - HEAVEN (Holy Spirit)
      ADAM, remove Rib create Women
      Creationism, the HE God gave you the clean and unclean animals for food

  • @nateedwards1313
    @nateedwards1313 5 років тому +113

    Ladies, he puts all his meat upfront.

    • @robrick9361
      @robrick9361 3 роки тому +1

      I wonder if the carpet matches the drapes?
      And by carpet I mean what brand of wax does he use down there?

  • @mrmartinLgore
    @mrmartinLgore 5 років тому +283

    0:12 - 0:23 introduction
    0:23 - 9:32 MEAT
    9:32 - 9:45 conclusion
    you nailed it!

    • @RED-jg6mt
      @RED-jg6mt 3 роки тому +3

      oh nooo

    • @codestalk9183
      @codestalk9183 3 роки тому

      i was wondering the same thing. haha.

    • @hectorcanizales5900
      @hectorcanizales5900 3 роки тому

      Lol

    • @Nick-lx4fo
      @Nick-lx4fo 3 роки тому +1

      Don't forget the condiments (transitions)

    • @rohanofelvenpower5566
      @rohanofelvenpower5566 Рік тому +1

      This video is NOT a Hamburger its a Wagyu STEAK with salt!!
      0:12 - 0:23 you smell the steak and salt
      0:23 - 9:23 you eat it eat by yourself all alone so you can gain weight
      9:32 - 9:45 you lick the juices left on the plate like a good boy because your aunty is watching you

  • @AzVidsPro
    @AzVidsPro 5 років тому +62

    I have a teacher like that, He is very nice in teaching what he does and I never forget what he teaches us. He will start by introducing the topic and all the cool stuff this will allow us to do, then he explain things that are relative to the topic and take a little break to tell us a story or a little joke. Then, he finishes the topic and I CAN TELL YOU, compared to the other classes, people are not as eager to leave but instead they line up to ask questions. MIND FREAKING BLOWING. The subject he was teaching was Operating Systems and computer architecture. Too bad we might not have him for the next subjects and we'll just get those morons who just read from the slides.

  • @stedebonnet3151
    @stedebonnet3151 4 роки тому +35

    "walk three steps, then turn into a random direction. repeat." - Algorithm for this video

  • @ybhall
    @ybhall 4 роки тому +82

    Honestly, this was my biggest gripe in college and the main reason I had such a difficulty following along. It's very difficult for me to feel motivated to learn something if I don't see a reason or value in it. Now, it's obviously beneficial to understand that 2 + 2 = 4. These types of topics never gave me issues. However, things like code efficiency and Big O Notation always gave me troubles. Do I understand the benefit now? Yes. Did I learn it after I understood its importance and what it's good for? Most definitely. However, when I would ask a teacher, "what is the practical application of this?" and they would just respond, "I have to teach you this. You have to know it. You'll learn more about why you need it later, but right now you just need to understand this." It never helped. It always just added to the frustration.
    Give me the fireworks first, then tell me how they're made.

    • @amalldekan1432
      @amalldekan1432 3 роки тому +15

      yea exactly, even the people who created these complex math things..did it for a reason! So teach us the reason first!

    • @5uperM
      @5uperM 2 роки тому +15

      Yeah. It's always "Here's this IMPORTNT thing you need to know. We're not gonna tell you where to use it, but it has a use somewhere." And the worst part is they then tell you that you need to study this yourself, that them teaching you is only the small part. What the fuck am I paying for?

    • @ybhall
      @ybhall 2 роки тому +12

      @@5uperM It's as if *those* teachers find their confidence-and-authority through obscurity. Think deeply on that. They are: insecure with their shallow knowledge on the topic they are teaching.

    • @MK_ULTRA420
      @MK_ULTRA420 2 роки тому +5

      For computer science, the reason is almost always "because your employer wants the most efficient code, and they're probably funding this department"

    • @ybhall
      @ybhall 2 роки тому +1

      @@MK_ULTRA420 yeah; cause they don't know it. That's the biggest lie ever. You, as the developer, have a say in what languages you are going to use. Period. You, as the developer, have the autonomy to choose your style. Of course, it's a team effort. That's life. You have autonomy at the end of the day, though, and good teachers know that.

  • @jarilo8639
    @jarilo8639 5 років тому +18

    The single most important factor when it comes to learning is interest. If someone isn't interested, no matter how good you are of a "teacher" they won't learn. You have to make someone interested if you want to teach them.

  • @GonePh1shing
    @GonePh1shing 5 років тому +15

    We were definitely taught the burger method in Australia, just without the burger analogies. Front loading information makes way more sense. You even see it in games, where most of the mechanics and important shit is introduced in the first 20% of the game.

  • @midnitepillage
    @midnitepillage 5 років тому +18

    I was taught about the "hook" that exist in books or movies. The first paragraph/page of a book/mag/essay or 5-10 min of a film is where you hook the audience or reader in. If there is no meat in that window, they lose interest.

  • @UltimateByte
    @UltimateByte 5 років тому +16

    Man, you just nailed pedagogy. I'll sure try to use that mindset to get better efficiency and consistency with my teaching. Thank you.

  • @finnianquail8881
    @finnianquail8881 5 років тому +51

    >taught using hamburgers
    Colour. Me. Shocked.

    • @Weegeeguy208
      @Weegeeguy208 5 років тому +10

      Finnian Quail >colour

    • @DaRkShadOwxXx14
      @DaRkShadOwxXx14 5 років тому +6

      i wuz taut using hotdogs

    • @MattZelda
      @MattZelda 5 років тому +1

      @@DaRkShadOwxXx14 By your uncle?

  • @JohnTrustworthy
    @JohnTrustworthy 2 роки тому +7

    The problem with sequentialism when teaching is that you've already assembled the knowledge sequence when its something that people should learn to do themselves.

  • @EJ-jh1vf
    @EJ-jh1vf 2 роки тому +3

    Load the important data in the front, expand upon it, then ramble to fill in cracks.
    I learn so much from this channel.

  • @Thewho456
    @Thewho456 5 років тому +17

    A thing I see often is tutors not being able to spark any kind of curiosity in their students.
    You can overload them with information and some might get A on their test, but if they're not curious on the topic, the knowledge is going to fizzle out.

  • @myrlewulf6256
    @myrlewulf6256 2 роки тому +4

    This is something I've had trouble trying to understand myself. When I was in college/high-school I would read ahead when I could and establish some sort of expectation so I knew where we were going and what pieces we were learning would be important later on.
    You analysis on rambling is accurate. The best essayists were essentially ramblers- Montaigne and Emerson.

  • @raiden_is_dj
    @raiden_is_dj 5 років тому +37

    Title: "Why All Teaching Is Ineffective"
    What he actually says in the video: "Why is most teaching nowadays utterly ineffectual"

  • @hyperTorless
    @hyperTorless 2 роки тому +4

    It's a very good point. I think Taleb writes on this a bit, like how partial information gets remembered much more efficiently (because your mind is left wondering or you're obliged to look for things on your own if you want to understand things) than in purely academical context where all the information is fed to you like to a child (which breds obedience and not intellect).
    Thanks for the nice channel.

  • @justinianslegacy4955
    @justinianslegacy4955 2 роки тому +4

    I go on rants with my friends a lot, especially back in college, I was basically how most of my friends got their news about the economy or politics, and this is exactly how I did it. Everyone was always entertained because I'd say what was essentially the headline in a completely absurd and out-of-context way that got everyone interested, then I'd explain it in a less over-the-top manner, then I'd ramble about things I associated the event with. This was my favorite part about college, and I was told multiple times that I shouldn't be a student, but a professor. Conversely, I've tried making UA-cam videos and blogs multiple times, and it's always dry and I almost can't think linearly. It's so weird, I have all the points that I can lay out linearly in my head, but if they don't come out in a semi-chaotic fashion, my whole communication is derailed.

  • @shobhit2197
    @shobhit2197 5 років тому +25

    Next Video : "WHATS UP LUKE SMITHERS"

  • @wtfimcrying
    @wtfimcrying 2 роки тому +8

    you are so right about the python metaphor. i saw this happen while watching my game development course and it was so depressing. first vid had 8 million views, last one had like 60k. least i made it haha.

  • @jenniemcintyre8197
    @jenniemcintyre8197 4 роки тому +6

    I'm at the end of my studies for my degree in Early Childhood and Special Education and this hit home with me. I strive to teach in the most human way possible even with young students. I appreciate this video.

  • @MattyFez
    @MattyFez 5 років тому +45

    Zoomer rants about Fortnite in the woods

  • @zacharycarbon4312
    @zacharycarbon4312 5 років тому +5

    I've often conceptualized a version of the Trivium model in which the individual(s) in any particular class who understand the subject best are incentivized to assist in teaching the class. Being in the same age group provides a natural advantage when it comes to forming relate able analogies/metaphors and things like that. Some years ago someone brought this concept up to me and (if I remember correctly) said that they exhibited this model in The Little House on the Prairie, lol.

  • @Campo_
    @Campo_ 4 роки тому +6

    One of my favorite EE professor would do stuff like this. He'd go off on the most random thing, which he always knew way too much about.

  • @MarcusJGrey
    @MarcusJGrey 4 роки тому +3

    I was always told the metaphor of keeping things like a skirt, short enough to keep things interesting but long enough to cover the essentials.

  • @whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
    @whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat 5 років тому +7

    Wow! This is absolutely eye-opening for me especially in communicating and writing stuff. Good stuff, man. Keep on rambling! 👍

  • @senselessnothing
    @senselessnothing 3 роки тому +3

    That's actually the general structure of a mathematics education, you start with the good stuff and then as a senior or a graduate you get to the more rigorous and axiomatic topics that people can now see the meaning behind.

  • @oddbob6230
    @oddbob6230 5 років тому +28

    That Ph.D.'s getting closer than I thought...

  • @stu3131
    @stu3131 5 років тому +56

    Use e🅱️ic memes to teach

    • @baronvonbeandip
      @baronvonbeandip 3 роки тому +1

      If your teacher drops a pepe or advice dog, you know you've got a real one

  • @AndrewErwin73
    @AndrewErwin73 5 років тому +4

    I feel like the putting all of the meat up front is a double edged sword. For pure teaching, I think you make a great point, provided the student wants to receive what you are offering. If you are trying to convince someone, I feel like making smaller (more logically coherent) points that build up to your "meat" can help to make that meat more comprehensible. I don't disagree with your argument, I just think it is situation dependent.

  • @juancasilla684
    @juancasilla684 4 роки тому +5

    I don't think sequential teaching is bad at all, it just needs more effort to produce seemingly (but not really) the same results. Self-contained teaching is a good way to teach a thing or two about a certain topic and may get someone to learn how to do a simple task, but ultimately if you want to get to really and thoroughly understand something you will have to bite the bullet in a sense.
    I do think that being tangential while teaching is incredibly helpful since it gives meaning to the act of learning something that would otherwise seem useless for that person (meaningless).

  • @mairacristian54
    @mairacristian54 5 років тому +34

    Title: Why is ALL teaching ineffective
    Luke at 0 seconds: Why is MOST teaching ineffectve

  • @colbyisthewalrus
    @colbyisthewalrus 2 роки тому +4

    I’m a proponent of the just-show-them-how-to-do-it-and-tell-them-why-matters-within-15-minutes methodology, then a mind-numbingly easy quiz to reiterate. That way everyone gets an A, and if they care enough they’ll proactively garner more expertise, if not, Bachelor’s degrees for everybody (!!!) (because, why not (?) they paid tuition). Infotainment and credentials for the kids!

  • @andreamarcelli4672
    @andreamarcelli4672 4 роки тому +5

    Very interesting video. It prompts me to reflect on my personal situation.
    Your comment intrigues me, because I noticed that all our education system (in Italy) had little structured approach when it came to essays... Hence, when I introduced structured essays, a lot of people who showed up at uni without preliminary skills, suddenly found themselves able to produce something decent with a structure issued from the top. So maybe this is contextual or culture-related?
    However, in line with what you said, never have I had used the hamburger structure... Since I prompt people to spell out what they mean at the beginning and move on from there. And structures have to be kinda "clever"... Possibly matching requirements.

  • @yandereSyndrome
    @yandereSyndrome 5 років тому +3

    I was aware of the Introduction, 3 main points, Conclusion style of essay, but I didn’t know it by the name of the hamburger. Not only is this style enforced in high school, but I recall in 2013 on the GRE writing section, prep books said that graders were expecting this style of writing.

  • @mysticNTN
    @mysticNTN 5 років тому +3

    I think that this is totally true. I’m currently tying to get a Cisco certification for work and find it impossible to read a book about it. I jus get bored 1 paragraph in. But the videos provided to us, they’re more of a crash course. So they are all self contained videos about a certain topic. Those were easy to ingest, and now I need to move on to labs. I hope those would be the same.
    Great video Luke.

  • @porky1118
    @porky1118 3 роки тому +1

    I also like teaching stuff from the ground up. Not starting at the fancy stuff, but what the basic units are and how they interact, so you can imagine, how the fancy stuff works.

  • @friendlyfire7861
    @friendlyfire7861 2 роки тому +1

    By the end of 20 years of teaching, I thought of it as an ongoing conversation. The lesson-planning is a stage you kind of have to work through at some point, but it's just a stepping stone, not a goal or even best practice.

  • @THEDRAWINGSTUDIO1
    @THEDRAWINGSTUDIO1 Рік тому +1

    That's kind of research papers are written. I love abstracts cause they're straight to the point

  • @smallsnippets
    @smallsnippets 5 років тому +3

    Yes, this makes sense for me.
    Books are sequential, and thats good.
    Teaching might (should?) be different. I think these "ramblings" (or detours?) contribute a lot to learning.
    Often it's the sidenotes and remarks, that are not the main topic, enhance a lecture.
    I have experienced that often.
    But maybe it's good to have both styles of teaching - the sequential and the network-like/associative way - alternating.

  • @gorillabiskut
    @gorillabiskut 5 років тому +8

    Please don’t stop the boomer rants, everyone you’ve done has been extremely insightful

  • @linuxwizzerd5908
    @linuxwizzerd5908 2 роки тому +2

    I don't know if a proper term exists for the idea you proposed but I think conceptual linking would be a good name, where you can link seemingly discrete bits of information together to reach a conclusion. I use it myself when I'm thinking of possible thought experiments or bits of something to look into and it gets me a lot more invested in doing independent research on things.

  • @symq
    @symq 5 років тому +9

    crazy how many of my thoughts are expressed in your videos, thank you for doing good propaganda 😄 though regarding this particular topic, i think you can definitely let people choose for themselves wether they want to follow your sequential content instead of trying to get through to as many people as possible… depending on what you want to achieve

  • @patrickprucha5522
    @patrickprucha5522 11 місяців тому +1

    you have a good point. I think people need time to process what they just learnt. Sequential is more for computers.

  • @yabgu79
    @yabgu79 2 роки тому +2

    Didnt know about hamburger method but I can agree on what you say for sure. You give index at the start and then detail them later. If they need it then they can watch rest of it later.

  • @FloodPower
    @FloodPower 2 роки тому

    Luke! Moving roles at my company and glad to have restumbled upon this video. Very helpful.

  • @lamename2010
    @lamename2010 4 роки тому +2

    I think the hamburger worked 1 century ago, when people were forced to read the entire thing. It doesn't work today, because people have just so much competing for their attention, that if the first 10 seconds don't interest them, they just shut off.

  • @MrCosmonaut
    @MrCosmonaut 5 років тому +2

    As a music teacher, I find this video extremely useful, thank you for sharing your wisdom.

  • @Jombo1
    @Jombo1 5 років тому +4

    Thank you Luke, I'll use this information for my inevitable udemy course when I get decent at Javascript.

  • @frankopanklaric
    @frankopanklaric 2 роки тому +1

    As a teacher myself If found this very informative. Thank you!

  • @HatorisFawst
    @HatorisFawst 5 років тому +5

    You share this interesting view to teach when sumester is finish, seriously Luke. Now I need to wait until fall semester to try it. :)

  • @Andersson203
    @Andersson203 2 роки тому +1

    It sounds like your version is close to the version I learned when I went to instructor school in the army.
    What we were taught was called something like "show, tell, do" or something like that. First the instructor shows the recruits what to do. Then the instructor shows it slowly explaining every step. Then the recruits start practicing under supervision. Most of the things you learn as a recruit are simple things but I've always had this in the back of my mind when teaching other things to people.

  • @Charsh392
    @Charsh392 5 років тому +2

    Shit Luke I completely agree with your sentiment (is that a proper word?) anyways I've noticed In guitar lesson videos for example which I just started to watch, I see the sequential order and the first thing I notice is how the views significantly drop going into the second lesson+ lessons. I think learners also make the mistake of seeking this type of order. It's weird but funny how we as learners don't always catch what seems to feel disinteresting about it. Rambling might not be the right word but I have always enjoyed the slightest off topic, as you say to give people a glimpse of whats going on with your line of thinking on the matter. Plus you sound more genuine. Why the hell would you want to be boring to people when you want them to learn. I love the way you break things down and keep attention consistent. I wonder what vegans think of the hamburger method these days.

  • @sumansaha295
    @sumansaha295 5 років тому +53

    You sir have single handedly converted me into a linux and

    • @Klblaz
      @Klblaz 5 років тому +50

      "You have converted me into a linux"
      I hope you recover soon

    • @LukeSmithxyz
      @LukeSmithxyz  5 років тому +133

      that's when xorg crashed

    • @saeedbaig4249
      @saeedbaig4249 4 роки тому +19

      @@abdulwahabjag Nah he just didn't get the memo on sequentialism. He plans to release his comment as a series; fingers crossed for part 2 soon.

    • @seronymus
      @seronymus 3 роки тому

      @@saeedbaig4249 he needs to sandbox

  • @Andre-bi3gq
    @Andre-bi3gq 5 років тому +8

    I'm a future teacher. Thanks, dad. Now make more videos on learning and how to best learn things

  • @dalanxd
    @dalanxd 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you so much! This is probably the most valuable video I've watched on your channel 🙏🏻 peace, man

  • @Tarik360
    @Tarik360 4 роки тому +1

    Reminds me of a math and programming teacher who talked about using a certain problem we dealt with by talking about how he coded a stock-trading bot.
    I remember feeling a bit disheartened and stupid for not being able to do the same but also something else happened to my fresh 18 year old mind at the time: I more than anything became motivated to keep working on math and programming even though I sucked at it.
    So it's my anecdotal experience to a fairly decent programming teacher. Another was a guy who was trying to automate infrastructure on university.

  • @Vulto166
    @Vulto166 2 роки тому +3

    Teaching is like telling a story.

  • @midhunrajr372
    @midhunrajr372 4 роки тому +12

    0:35 Get the 'Hamburger myth' out of your head. Present the 'meat' first.
    2:15 Don't do 'sequential/series'. The contents of each class should be self-contained.
    5:00 Ramble/random dialogue at the end.

  • @porky1118
    @porky1118 3 роки тому +2

    6:15 I also started to prefer writing dialog over real story. My stories are normally just a description with no emotions, but my dialogs are pretty fine since they are like real dialogs, I hope.

  • @patrickprucha5522
    @patrickprucha5522 11 місяців тому +1

    yes, self contained. Very important! I do like your tuturials. I do learn things from your tuturials.

  • @ignisimmensus2568
    @ignisimmensus2568 4 роки тому +2

    wow, you just mentioned the most detrimental disadvantage of nowadays teaching methods.
    thanks

  • @porky1118
    @porky1118 3 роки тому +1

    When I really want to learn something like a programming language, I normally don't watch video tutorials.
    I normally read some guide, which shows me everything important and every interesting feature, then I read a documentation, which contains every feature with a more theoretical explanation, and I skip parts I already understand.

  • @timdolinger1352
    @timdolinger1352 6 місяців тому

    What I absorbed by watching halfway through the video (short attention span; you nailed it) was that you gotta make the meat come earlier so you can get your money shot. Interesting metaphors.

  • @luigimaster111
    @luigimaster111 5 років тому +6

    I wonder if the person who first conceptualized the burger method was also the kind of person who ate all the components of his burgers from top to bottom rather than all at once like a normal human.

  • @iLiokardo
    @iLiokardo 5 років тому +1

    I got very interested in the topics your videos very quickly.
    I think you are doing the right thing here, as far as I know.

  • @gonsonandenschinder
    @gonsonandenschinder Рік тому

    People used to build basements and fill them with the ice from the winter to keep stuff cold, it worked, so you can somehow refrigerate stuff just from primitive sources. And of course you can make a pot-in-pot refrigerator

  • @amalldekan1432
    @amalldekan1432 3 роки тому +2

    Not just teaching but also for learners:
    Forget about sequences and structure and instead just look for an interesting topic and consume it.

  • @simonjoelwarkentin7087
    @simonjoelwarkentin7087 2 роки тому +1

    I'm a piano teacher and I can't agree more. Great video, from the beginning to the end!

  • @tempname8263
    @tempname8263 5 років тому +4

    This was immensely useful to me. I bow, reaching to my toes.

  • @zeppelin0110
    @zeppelin0110 5 років тому +11

    You basically explained everything that's wrong with most youtube videos.

  • @onlydubz558
    @onlydubz558 3 роки тому

    thats why people who directly get into the topic gets more views. same reason why emails are suggested to be short and to the point

  • @schukaproallied9834
    @schukaproallied9834 5 років тому +7

    that was Varg in the beginning, I'm sure of it!

    • @ferouihamza
      @ferouihamza 3 роки тому

      finally someone mentioned it

  • @MartinsTalbergs
    @MartinsTalbergs 5 років тому +1

    loved the title, my attention span is moss. Blessings yall

  • @RandomGuy4964
    @RandomGuy4964 2 роки тому +1

    10/10 wisdom, puts a lot of my education into perspective

  • @ivymarimo1631
    @ivymarimo1631 5 місяців тому

    The prevailing of the hamburger method relates to people not trying anything new because they don't think by themselves and also because trying new things is taboo. Imagine if you slap a hook or a bombastic statement just to really summarize what your essay is really going to be about. Even if people like it, ppl will still mindlessly say that it wasn't "properly presented" or it is "too radical" even though it's not, they didn't even check to see if what you're saying is radical or not. You're just making a statement, but now you have to justify yourself at the beginning to even introduce it.

  • @Clutter.monkey
    @Clutter.monkey 5 років тому +2

    I came to the same conclusion just by thinking how just about any subject I‘ve learned about was very non-linear. Which I assumed holds true for everyone else.

  • @nngogol244
    @nngogol244 5 років тому +2

    It's true. I make videos and often think of “linear presentation”.
    The fact is that our brain can understand multidimensional events.
    When we ride a bike and taste the apple - we get the smell, taste, sound, the sensation of movement, the sensations of people behind and in front of us - this is already a 5-dimensional sensation.
    It is the same with the lessons: the teacher teaches with his gestures, voice, posture, words and so on.
    When I taught high school chemistry, I had an old teacher. As a result, I remembered that the typical chemist is an old man. It sounds stupid, it is a fact.
    By the way, Luke, I noticed that books in modern schools are terribly low in quality. The linearity of thinking in these books is visible for kilometers.
    Cool topic to talk, Luke.
    ==== Оригинал
    Это правда. Я делаю видео и часто думаю о "линейном изложении".
    Дело в том, что наш мозг может понимать многомерный события.
    Когда мы катаемся на велосипеде и пробуем яблуко на вкус - мы получаем запах, вкус, звук, ощущение движения, ощущения людей сзади и впереди нас - это уже 5-мерное ощущение.
    То же самое и с уроками: учитель учит своими жестами, голосом, осанкой, словами и прочее.
    Когда я учил в средней школе химия, то у меня был старый учитель. В результате, я запомнил, что типичный химик - это старый человек. Звучит тупо, то это факт.
    Кстати, Люк, я заметил, что книги в современных школах имеют ужасно низкое качество. Линейности мышления в этих книгах видна за километры.

  • @RED-jg6mt
    @RED-jg6mt 3 роки тому +1

    Yo this knowledge is so useful thanks for sharing Luke

  • @polypus74
    @polypus74 4 роки тому +2

    Hey man, thanks for the vid. Found your channel through your linux videos, and i see there's plenty of other goodies. Geering up to start my own channel and this definitely helped. Subbed!

  • @avi-brown
    @avi-brown Рік тому

    Good example of rambling working well is Geohot's streams.

  • @ablanchi
    @ablanchi 5 років тому +2

    Iv been impressed with how well you communicate for a while, and videos like this really emphasis that. Hope you plan on making more videos like this!

  • @alexisrozhkov
    @alexisrozhkov 5 років тому +9

    "let's find out" - someone has been watching too much varg vikernes :)

  • @norcal6181
    @norcal6181 5 років тому +2

    I've been in college for the past 5 years, writing research papers and essays the whole time. This is the first I've heard of this hamburger method.

    • @cocoapuffs5299
      @cocoapuffs5299 5 років тому +2

      i graduated college 2 years ago, and this is the first time ive heard of the hamburger method as well

    • @norcal6181
      @norcal6181 5 років тому +1

      @potatotiel No, I'm amerifag

  • @michaellk2254
    @michaellk2254 4 роки тому +1

    People like structure, that's why it's enticing to learn sequentially

  • @Gamesational1
    @Gamesational1 2 роки тому +1

    When making youtube tutorials. It is best to cover the most important parts first, then move on to minor niche parts in later tutorials.

    • @Gamesational1
      @Gamesational1 2 роки тому +1

      I noticed this in 2017 when watching thenewboston's C++ videos. The first one h ad 2 million views+, then next had 0.8, the fifth had 300K, and the final one had 100k views.

  • @Bubelmanen
    @Bubelmanen 3 роки тому +2

    "The hamburger myth", me as a swede; "This explains so much about America...".