These are the type of reviews I like. You know when someone uses the camera for more than 1 or two weeks and actually gets a sense of the true strengths and weaknesses. I appreciate your candor. Right now, I have an FX30 that I really like. However, the added low light performance and better IBIS of the S5II are appealing, but the focus issues you mention, tell me if I want to go the Panasonic route, it would be wiser to rent it first. I rely heavily on AF. Anyway, this is good stuff. Thanks!
Appreciate the kind words brother! I would say renting it might be good but you really won’t get a feel for it’s AF until about a week of use. It is reliable! Just slightly quirky
Thanks for the honest review. I appreciate reviews like yours - where you are sharing your experiences from out in the field - much more than reviews that just list specs. Thanks, and I am now subscribing to your channel.
hey, great video. Regarding the AF issue you were facing at 6:50 , where the camera shifted the AF to the other people in the frame. You have to make sure you click on the screen again after you have chosen the person to focus on. The yellow box around the selected person will then change to have 4 crosshairs around the box. That locks in the AF to that person only. Now even if other people enter the frame the crosshair yellow box won't change focus
Changing the Panasonic to eye detection rather than human detection works perfectly for me. Human detection is where I got it focusing on my hands a lot. Eye or face only is the way to go.
I was on face/eye and it was jumping to my hands! Even my latest video it did. I was using two angle so it didn’t matter and could jump between the two but still… very annoying
100% agree!! I’ve had this camera for about the same amount of time and the multiple subjects in frame gives the camera some issues. Doesn’t want to select or confirm the subject you select like the old S5. The tracking is definitely in need of help as well, like you said, you should be able to just touch and track what you wanted, regardless of tracking mode. But again, like you said, these are annoyances that should be able to be ironed out with firmware updates. Looking forward to that for sure!! Thanks again for a great video 🙌🏼
wow I like this honesty. We miss this kind of mindset now which was the original value of UA-cam. Keep up the great job. I will watch your video about phantom LUTs
Good thing is that most of these things can be fixed via firmware and Pana is know for lots of firmware updates. But man, you have the awesome ability to create a big comparison video between the Komodo, C70 and S5! And I wouldn’t be surprised if the S5 would be a very close competitor.
I agree with your assessment too and bought the camera with a lot of excitement and enthusiasm and sold all my Lumix m43 gear to buy into the full frame environment mostly for still photography. But I have a hard time controlling where the autofocus locks in groups of people like others who have commented. I use the joystick to have the yellow box select the right subject in full screen human detect continuous autofocus mode and it quickly moves off to other subjects. I'm not sure if single point is the way to go in those instances. It's frustrating and much more complicated than I think it should be. I'm taking more time thinking about which autofocus mode to use than focusing on the subject and composition. I'm hoping firmware can fix these issues. Thanks for your honest assessment.
Completely agree with everything you’ve said! The af is very fast (which is great) but in real world use I find myself having to use the joystick and manually move the af box to keep it where I want it. While the speed improvement is a massive step forward I actually think the implementation of the af system took a step back from the s5, especially when it comes to groups of people. Hopefully they’ll listen and make these fixes soon. Even as-is I’m still really enjoying shooting with it though.
As an S5II hybrid shooter, I agree with your assessment. These issues also extend to photo which is quite annoying, but I’m putting up with it because it is a vast improvement over the original S5, and because Panasonic will address these issues via firmware. The image quality is on par with the A7IV in video, but the photo quality and the easiness of editing raw photos is great. The A7IV would start to break apart at ISO 1,600 and I have to push the S5II to ISO 3,200 to get the same results grain-wise, but it somehow still looks cleaner. The S5II will be coming out next month, so I expect that there will be a massive firmware update to put the S5II on par with the S5IIX (AF-Wise, of course).
Boss I’ve been stuck between the A7IV and the S5II. Out of the two which one would you recommend to buy? I had my eye on the Sony but a Panasonic ambassador slightly convinced me to get the S5II. I would take pictures for the most part but I know I would take video more serious after investing into either of these. I know lumix is more affordable especially with accessories and lenses but I don’t want to make a bad choice. So what do you recommend. Would really appreciate some help
@@osman9946 Man, it’s hard to recommend which camera will suit your needs as it will all depend on your needs, and what you value the most in a camera. If you want focus right now is stills then either one will do great, but the AF on the A7IV will be snappier. That said, if you’re trying do extreme sports or fast-paced action I would pick the Sony A7IV. If you’re trying to get into filmmaking, both will do the job just as well. If you wanted to get the most out of your camera for filmmaking then the S5II is the way to go as it is more geared towards video. If you have the time and patience, I would rent them out and see which one will fit your style and needs. That alone will save you thousands, and the headaches that come with buying and returning gear. I hope this helps you find the camera that works for you.
@@AbdonPhirathon thank you so much for the in depth answer. I’m going to rent them out. I’ve experienced the a7iii and the a7IV before, I was surprised how easy and amazing the quality of the IV was in the setting I was using and the autofocus however the lumix S5II is more affordable and seems to be on par with the IV. Plus the extra features and the LUTs makes me want to get the lumix. It seems like a good first camera
Agreed with the touch tracking. Used it all the time on sony. I dont even bother using it anymore on the s5ii. Hope lumix updates this in a firmware update
It's only through being objectively critical that things can improve. Explaining away faults doesn't benefit anyone. It's in Panasonic's court now to fix the AF.
Great video! I have the S5II and totally agree. Still an incredible camera for the price and I don’t regret buying it. But would love to see some firmware updates to the auto focus. My main issue is it will just randomly jump to the back of someone’s head even if I have a face clearly in the shot that was in focus. Even if I put a single area box around the head it still jumps sometimes which makes no sense.
Great to see this experience shared Anthony, and yes it's totally OK to love a camera and still be aware of where it's limits are. Amazing bit of kit for the price. One more issue I've had with the AF is performance when shooting 60fps for S&Q. The cropping is disappointing at 60fps, but more importantly the AF looks like it reverts back to DFD. I get humming and it frequently drifts off my subject during a take. When there's too many subjects in the frame, it just panics - it doesn't pick one person and hold. Even worse when I'm lining up a shot and grab focus before rolling video, using the half shutter, when I hit the shutter to begin recording THAT is the moment the AF suddenly jumps off base. Not only do I miss the critical moment I was aiming for, but once recording at 60fps the AF is super slow to realise it's missed. I get five seconds of bokeh instead of the subject. Only an issue at the higher frame rates, but that's where I do a lot of my stuff.
thank you very much for making this vid and for talking about its autofocus problem. Good autofocus and IBIS are very important features for hybrid cameras to focus on (pun intended)😁
It almost sounds like you’re describing the auto focus in the original S5. This is exactly why I’m happy I didn’t upgrade. :-) I hardly ever use auto focus anyway, but I have these exact same issues in the S5. And I actually think the auto focus is pretty good in the S5, even without phase detect auto focus. Sounds to me like they made it more powerful, but just didn’t implement everything properly yet, I’m sure it will improve. Great video, thanks so much for sharing.
@@AnthonyRodriguezz oh definitely, I really have very little interest in the s52. I'm actually about to buy a second S5 because they're so cheap now. :-) I shoot a lot of anamorphic, and so this camera is awesome for me. :-) opengate would be awesome to have, but the aps-c mode in the S5 is amazing, so shooting anamorphic with this camera is really brilliant.
@@RockWILK open gate is the only useful upgrade over the s5ii and I would say to choose that over the other s5 as that camera is not too beneficial for anamorphic
Thanks for this video! I'm currently filming on a 5dmkii :D and have been debating where I go next... canon, sony, panasonic. With my current setup as a comparison I think the s5ii is an easy choice now! Cheers.
Good news it the AF is still focusing automatically… just on the wrong thing. So it’s not the core tech, it’s the back end face/object identification and prioritization. Canon for example has had “face only” since at LEAST the C200. Adding some prioritization options in the AF menu alone would solve most of these issues.
Nice to see a UA-camr confirm my frustrations. I had so many issues with it across a few shoots I just returned it and stuck with my Sony stuff. I can see they’re close, hoping they get there with firmware
WOW. This was a very great review. I too hope P. fix those issues on their next firmware update. Or hopefully, the S5IIx will come out already corrected. Thank you.
One real life review, finally! :) Thanks for sharing all these practical issues that you have encountered. Else there's no way to find out about these things before you buy the camera, and then you realize if you've made a mistake or not :D
Great video. I just preordered the s5ii as my new bcam specifically for using in certain interview situations where I'm operating another camera and need decent AF. Your findings are interesting but don't scare me away, I guess that for simple talking heads the AF is good enough
Angry button mashing arrrggg. lol. Honesty it's a great point about the AF. Canon Nikon and Sony have had a few generations of phase AF to finetune their algos. I'm sure Lumix will make adjustments in their firmware as they go. I use tap to track on my Canons all the time. It's great that when you tap the screen it overrides whatever subject the camera is set to track. I bet next year this time Lumix will have that feature too.
I have an s5ii,the problem is it uses Panasonic old auto focus technology in some video formats,like full frame 4k 60.if its in aps-c there is no focus issue
I think we've got to the point where cameras have all become so powerful and mostly comparable to each other, that other things such as features, assist tools and lenses are what people are staring to look at when buying a camera or choosing a system. I feel like Sony, while they make amazing and capable cameras, they have really dropped the ball in regards to things like assist tools and certain features. Instead of updating their cameras to include things such as open gate, waveforms, shutter angle. etc, it seems like they just want you to buy a new camera all together. I think if cameras like the FX3 or FX30 have "Cinema Line" in their names, they should include basic features of a cinema camera. I feel like both Panasonic and even Fuji to a lesser extent have really been kicking things up a notch in regards to features. The S5ii in particular looks like such a beast and the price is tempting me more and more!
Interesting video - I think that's where Sony and Canon still have the edge - the use of AI processing to make human like decisions in autofocus. The brand new Sony autofocus system is smart enough to focus on someone's eye and then as they turn away from camera switch to their shoulder then back to their eye when it's visible to the camera again and it's pretty seamless.
I think it could be helpful if you mention the lenses or lens system you are using. I remember CVP or ProAV (If I'm not mistaken) find that using EF lenses with MC1 adapter resulted into more success when comes to PDAF than using native L mount lenses. If you have access to both lens mounts please share your findings to this. Also, I tend to be a bit forgiving for Panasonic as we all know how bad first generation PDAF of other companies were before they managed to nail them. So, as much as AF goes, I still believe the only way for Pana is to get better. It might take a while but I believe the S5II is already good take when considering that it's their first generation. Thank you and great content. Automatically subbed.
It’s actually not better results using adapted lenses but I did try both and these issues were with both adapted lenses and native l mount lenses I do think they will improve the system though!
Thank you for the video and the amazing quality. I love how the Panasonic s5ii stands right next to the c70 and I don't see a huge difference in image quality. I was dead set on getting the s5ii this week but this video has planted a seed of doubt in my mind as I'm planning on also shooting a lot of weddings with this camera.. Currently debating this over the Fuji XH2s.. Thank you for the video and the food for thought, would value your opinion!
Has autofocus been fixed? Thanks for the vid! I'm currently comparing the s5m2x and the om-1 mark ii ... wonder if you have any experience with om systems? Cheers 😃
No issue with the AF for me, biggest issue is the overprocessing : sharpness and details filtering with most picture profiles. Aside V-Log, pictures profiles look bad, in 6K they look oversharpened, and in 4K they have weird details filtering in low light.
@@AnthonyRodriguezz shoot people and events, and I use one square area, I don't trust subject tracking. If you only use V-Log I don't see much difference between the S1 and S5II but as other said, V-Log is noisier than Natural or CineD profiles, this is why I don't use it a lot in low light.
Have you tried the Auto focus using a Panasonic lens? You are using a Sigma, may be Sigma's need a firmware to make it even better? Vishay Bhatia (Just bellow this) mentiones the double click on the screen to lock the main person)
I haven’t but it really shouldn’t make too much of a difference as the issues are more so about their implementation of AF rather than the actual potential of the AF
@Anthony, Thanks. The chapter markers seem to be inaccurate. You start discussing the actual details of what's wrong at 5:55, yet the marker for the "The Not So Good" section is marked at 4:10.
I agree that the AF is good, but not on par with Canon and Sony. That said: as an heavy user of AF (I am not) did you find the new firmware update to address some of the critical point you found?
The AF issues sound like something that can be fixed with firmware updates. I'm not an early adopter, so I wait at least a year before a camera is out to get into the system (also leads to better deals on the market, tbh). Thanks for the feedback though! The S5II X seems like where I'll be going, especially with that Kondor Blue SSD handle
The AF is definitely a big step up, but it's first gen. That's why I gave it a pass owning the OG s5. I might jump on the next iteration for my main camera. The AF should gain more maturity
Super helpful video. Thanks. Thinking of buying the S5II x specifically for anamorphic, but was going to use the SIRUI 1.6x, but I’m worried about not having a 1.6x anamorphic stabilisation mode. Have you tried this combination?
@AnthonyRodriguezz Most definitely. I've been shooting with a Canon 5D mk3 for the last 10 years and looking to upgrade to the S5ii and this was really helpful. Thank you 👍🏼
I love the human selection and I'm surprised more cameras dont have that. I'm looking for to this as I just ordered my S5ii. Too bad it doesnt stay on the subject you choose. I like my A7IV but this camera truely has some advantages over it and the sony just has a couple of advantages such as lens selection.
I came in here because of the title to your post as i thought you where going to bash a Panasonic camera! Then realized you we not but decided to put in my thoughts anyway. Panasonic has been making great cameras and lenses for years! It seemed that AF has always been the reason that Sony (or other brands) have bashed them saying that's why you should buy their cameras instead. And that most UA-camrs, content creators, and alike did NOT come from film or photography backgrounds and need to have AF because they didn't know how to manually focus a cameras on their own. Well, I've been in this business for 32 years and I know cameras. I've owned and use 6 brands and systems over the years. So when the Panasonic MFT mirrorless camera hit the market in 2008, before Hasselblad, Sony, Canon, Pentax, Olympus, Lecia, Blackmagic, Nikon or professional film cameras. As it grow in popularity as the GH1 was introduced in 2009, it revolutionized a MFT mirrorless camera until what we see today as they are the end the the SLR/DSLR camera today. I purchased in over a decade ago and been using them ever since. Now, with Panasonics first phase detect AF system S5 series cameras, they are VERY GOOD. Yes, there are still some minor issues to be worked out as you brought forth herein, but knowing Panasonic, they're working toward new updates fixes on these issues as they have for years with all their cameras. Saying that, I can see you're on the right track. Even today, I don't use AF most of the time unless needed. However, I'm very happy to see it's finally here for Panasonic. Sometime it take... one, two, three takes to get it right, even with Phase detect AF! That's showbiz.
I found the same things in my tests as you. The autofocus works mostly, but it has the quirks you mentioned. I haven’t done a video about it because I don’t want to deal with the hate 🤣🤣
As a fan boy of a brand you can also critically assess, ultimately the manufacturer can improve its firmware through these comments! By concealing this, such as overheating of a sony or canon camera, it doesn't get any better! I'd rather practice manual focus pulling on a tennis ball swinging on a string than trust autofocus completely. With manual focus at certain moments I can still show beautiful images to a customer, but an overheated camera that fails during a wedding I can never make up for that. So I give Panasonic the chance to improve this technique, for the price of the body with so many possibilities it is still a no brainer! I will always opt for manual focus with more depth of field if it really shouldn't fail,
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I can take a GH5 mkii into pro sporting events and shoot handheld video where you would be turned away. My research into ADHD and athletic performance allows me to shoot things that would not be picked up on a live feed, like changes in routine when a player is more anxious. With the Panasonic Gh5 mkii and the 35-100mm f2.8 mkII 70-200mm f2.8 equivalent, I can take that 4.5-inch long lens anywhere. With ideal lighting, where 14 stops of dynamic range are not as necessary, the GH5 mkii works just fine. The 6.5 stops of dual ibis are as good as any other competitor, with the exception of OM Systems. If I need the 14 stops of dynamic range, then the BGH1 box MFT camera with a 10.2-megapixel sensor works great. In fact, it is approved for use by Netflix. That all being said, There is an S5 MkII x in my future, so I can handle low light extreme conditions better! The body is almost the same size as the GH5 mkii.
good points. thank you. your B roll is strange, the clips are unrelated to what you're talking about. your info is excellent. you mentioned some things about the focus tracking. can you demonstrate it?
Not sure where you’re seeing unrelated B-roll 😅😂 I did mention that I wasn’t going to be adding a lot of footage to the video as I didn’t have the time. So I didn’t spend hours getting extra footage of the focus tracking failing. I did add some in there though when I was talking about it
Thanks for the update. The a7iv looks great because of the autofocus, but this camera has so much to offer. If I turned off the autofocus, do you think I could use this camera to shoot skits with multiple people moving in and out of frame and waving things around? I'd be in the shot, so I wouldn't be able to control the camera. I'd set it for a wide aperture for deep depth of field, I guess. Would that work?
Nice review and appreciating your sincerity. I still think I'm holding out for S5iix based on all indications. I've been living with panny m43 for years, so this is a step forward.
Same problem for me the autofocus tracking its sooooo bad . I do video for dancer and so bad .I lost a many shoot because the autotracking it’s bad and no good focus in slow mo . I don’t do video like many youtuber just go and out of camera and say ok the Autofocus it’s good o walk slowly for the autofocus track me . Many people lied a lot for this camera and I hope panasonic gone fix this if not i switch to sony . I really love panasonic and lumix camera but if I buy something and the compagnie promes me something he have to complain for what he say. Pananonic fix the fu…. Autofocus .
I hear what you’re saying! I think the main issue is that many reviewer were saying it’s as good if not better than Sony so our expectations were not right. I definitely think it’s a good AF system that just need some serious improvement!
I'm going to invest in my first full frame and I'm completely undecided between the Sony A7SIII and the Lumix S5IIX. Sony seems very reliable to me, but I have doubts mainly due to the lack of updates and also because it is an older camera. On the other hand, I have an amazing recent camera with a great price, but which raises questions about Rolling Shutter and 60 fps cropping. What would I recommend? I've been in this cruel doubt for months! 😅
@@AnthonyRodriguezz something like behind the scenes and editing process. I love this video. Next week I am buying s5 ii. From 2010 I used Sony, then fuji, Canon and from 2015 Nikon. And this new line Z is not god. So I am going to Panasonic. For wedding video and photography. One s5ii and one s5iix
I’m still happy with my s1h-Bs1h-gh6 workflow. Pdaf in panny isn’t exciting to me. I shot Sony and switching to panny taught me how to MF and well, I think I’m good lol thanks for being honest!
@@ChrisFlores22 anything I’m shooting on a gimbal. Plus I have the Komodo and c70. Makes no sense not having a smaller light, easier to use AF cam, ya know?
@@AnthonyRodriguezz true that! How do the c70 & Komodo match? What’s that workflow like? Plus, I’m still waiting for the phantom lut workflow video lol
Deal breaker for me honestly. Sad about it. Need to buy like asap and was leaning heavily towards this camera as another B/C cam, and I just need solid AF (weddings mainly). Thanks for your insight.
You wrote about the S5ii dropping focus when you have your hands near the camera and in front of you when you are talking to the camera. I have a Lumix G80 (G85 in North America) and programmed it (took a picture of myself) with me as a profile. Now when it is in human detect it looks for and locks on me. Cannot recall when it did not lock on me and there is none of this hand distracting the focus. More than five yr old camera getting it right so surely you could do something similar on the S5ii?
@@AnthonyRodriguezz yet you talked about filming yourself and how with your hands in front of the camera the S5ii lost your face and started focussing on your hands. What I do with the G85 Seems to solve this so I don't understand how you say "different use cases" since I too gesture with my hands in front of the camera. Explain different use cases since in my comment I was specifically addressing one of your use cases. If my 5+ yrs old MFT camera can do it surely the new hybrid focus small format marketed as full frame can as well?
About sharpness: Compared RAW in Lightroom (sharpening lowered to 0) and 6K 3:2 footage, the detail/sharpness looked almost identical, certainly no sharpening applied. Still in comparison to the S1H with its OLPF both RAW images and 6K video look a bit too sharp for me without any additional optical or gaussian filtering.
5:38 Lumix fan here haha, but there are certainly issues with the AF but also video processing Regular Rec709/sRGB profiles are overprocessed V-Log shows banding in darker areas, 8 bit vs. 10 bit ext. look almost identical.
Yeah… I’m not going to be shooting raw with the r5c the files size are 5x the size of my Komodo and not as usable/beneficial! Appreciate you taking the time to comment and provide your thoughts 💪🏼
I might be misunderstanding something, but it sounds like you were saying the S1H was the only mirrorless feature to have open gate? I'm confused, because the GH5 and GH6 have open gate as well, which are cheaper than the Lumix S5ii.
How is the moire on the S52 for video? I have the original S5 and shoot Braw to the video assist because it practically eliminates rainbows on highly detailed shots because of the 6K. Are you using diffusion for this reason? Love the new autofocus options, but want to see if they do an S1H refresh with an OLPF before making any upgrades. And I asked in a Lumix live Q&A recently and they confirmed there will definitely be no OLPF for the S5 line. Great video, thanks for sharing!
So I have noticed the moire a couple of times. It’s not bad enough for me to even mention but yeah it’s there. And I’m using diffusion simply because I love diffusion 😂
I heard from some lumix s5 users that if they shoot in VLOG, they never see moire. I am not sure if they shoot 4k or 1080p but I assume they might be shooting everything... Not sure if VLOG takes away moire.... please share thoughts if possible.
I haven't tried this on the S5 ii but on old Panasonic bodys if you click the stick in it will put these perpendicular lines that will force a true confirmation of the person you want just something to try there's a video made by @Luca Bono I would say if you can try this out when filming people again I've never used the mark ii so I have no idea if it helps it or not
This is concerning as I just bought the S5ii and previously had the R5C and I felt the AF on the R5C was absolutely unusable trash in pretty much every situation. If the R5C has better AF than the C70 and you say the S5ii is worse than the C70 that's going to be a huge issue. I'm not sure if you could really get much worse than the AF on the R5C. Some people are saying the S5ii autofocus is as good as Sony which would also be nice because so far the best autofocusing camera I have ever used is my Sony A7RV and I didn't even buy that with the intent to shoot video with. Every video I've used it on though has nailed focus and I didn't even have to think about it.
Thinking about getting it for content creation instead of the ZV-1 after the overheating news, but dont have much knowledge on the L mount lenses and what's best to pick? as I said its for content creation (talking heads) and live streaming so regarding this camera (and its cropping) what's best glass to get?
I’m trying to take the leap into full-frame cameras and I’m strictly a photographer. This camera piqued my interest with all of its features but all of the reviews I see are about its videography abilities. I know it’s advertised as a hybrid camera but is this camera more for videography vs. standard photography?
Tbh, almost any new cameras nowadays will excel in the photo aspect! But to answer your question more directly and… indirectly. It’s not too important if it’s more of a “video” camera than a “photo” camera, it takes incredible photos and I’d recommend it to any photographer! Hope that helps!
Thanks! Very good one! Does the camera AF works well with EF lenses? Also what happens if you use a EF lens with IS and turn it on? On the GH5 if I adapt a EF with IS you can only have either body or lens IS. They don't work both at the same time.
I have other weird problem. When recording at 1080p the autofocus i so much slower and worse than in 4K. I don't know what causing it but i get very annoyed when in 4k af is fast and reliable but in 1080 it thinks and it is not very fast. Also when taking pictures, many of them have missed focus, even though I tested many modes and practically nothing improved.
Question: With the autofocus issue you've addressed could you accommodate this with a follow focus attached to the lens? I guess my question mainly refers to, can you turn off autofocus on the camera and use the follow focus as the needed accessory. I'm also asking mainly for narrative filmmaking which is what I do. I guess this could be an important answer as I'm liking all the other qualities of this camera, but I would like your further thoughts in regards to this. Thank you
You could accommodate it by manually focusing with anything. That doesn’t necessarily solve the issue you’re just turning AF off which is a viable solution 🤷🏽♂️ That being said though, the AF is reliable enough for me to use often! Take that for what you will :)
This is their first gen of this tech. Ofc it's not gonna be perfect. That's why I always buy either the 2nd gen or the 3rd gen of any first iteration of a product.
Question I noticed vlog is a little noisy in shadows and I’m coming from the c70 clog2 and never had this problem. Do you expose vlog slightly higher ? And do you change the noise reduction function in camera at all?
Hey there... GREAT VIDEO!!! I am a hybrid wedding shooter and I can't find this specific answer anywhere and hoping someone here can help. What happens when you are in photo mode but hit the RED record button? Will it record using the CURRENT settings in Photo Mode or will it switch to the last VIDEO settings from Video Mode? I hope it pulls from the video settings and even uses the Log format and LUT preview too, despite being in Photo mode and then jump back to the Photo settings when I end the video clip. Thanks for any help on this.
Hey! Sorry for the late response! Wanted to make sure I tested it out before responding and I’ve been crazy busy! Unfortunately I think it sticks with whatever settings are in photo mode. Not sure if you can change this or not, maybe you can 🤷🏽♂️
I wish I could make an S5II purchase make sense but I only do photography so a video centric camera for stills would not make sense and it would be a waste. It would be like I’m just using half of the camera at most. Yeah AF wouldn’t be an issue for someone like me since AF is solid for stills on any Panasonic camera old and new but I can’t make it make sense to buy a video camera for stills. Wish they had more stills features but it won’t happen unfortunately.
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I almost considered getting into video and this would have been the perfect camera for both but my heart wouldn’t be in it when it came to video so I decided to not get it. Still watch videos to see if they have added any stills features via firmware updates but nah. This was a great informative video though, didn’t know it still had problems like this. Knowing Panasonic they will fix it via firmware updates. The G9 came a long way from its original release firmware. I had it for 4 years and it’s crazy how much they improved it via firmware updates. So I say be patient.
These are the type of reviews I like. You know when someone uses the camera for more than 1 or two weeks and actually gets a sense of the true strengths and weaknesses. I appreciate your candor. Right now, I have an FX30 that I really like. However, the added low light performance and better IBIS of the S5II are appealing, but the focus issues you mention, tell me if I want to go the Panasonic route, it would be wiser to rent it first. I rely heavily on AF. Anyway, this is good stuff. Thanks!
Appreciate the kind words brother!
I would say renting it might be good but you really won’t get a feel for it’s AF until about a week of use.
It is reliable! Just slightly quirky
How did you go at the end?
Thanks for the honest review. I appreciate reviews like yours - where you are sharing your experiences from out in the field - much more than reviews that just list specs. Thanks, and I am now subscribing to your channel.
Thanks for that! I try to be as honest as possible
hey, great video. Regarding the AF issue you were facing at 6:50 , where the camera shifted the AF to the other people in the frame. You have to make sure you click on the screen again after you have chosen the person to focus on. The yellow box around the selected person will then change to have 4 crosshairs around the box. That locks in the AF to that person only. Now even if other people enter the frame the crosshair yellow box won't change focus
Good point. It's a little bit counterintuitive but it works
Yeah… that’s still a bit counterintuitive and for me for some reason it’s a hit or miss.
The AF will either track or just turn into spot focus
If you press the joystick after chosing the face you want, probalably it will work too
wow!
This doesn't work
Changing the Panasonic to eye detection rather than human detection works perfectly for me. Human detection is where I got it focusing on my hands a lot. Eye or face only is the way to go.
I was on face/eye and it was jumping to my hands!
Even my latest video it did. I was using two angle so it didn’t matter and could jump between the two but still… very annoying
@@AnthonyRodriguezzdid you confirm tracking by clicking on the box? (4 cross hairs appear on the orange box). You have to confirm the AF tracking.
That seems to ignore the hands when it has confirmed on my face.
100% agree!! I’ve had this camera for about the same amount of time and the multiple subjects in frame gives the camera some issues. Doesn’t want to select or confirm the subject you select like the old S5. The tracking is definitely in need of help as well, like you said, you should be able to just touch and track what you wanted, regardless of tracking mode. But again, like you said, these are annoyances that should be able to be ironed out with firmware updates. Looking forward to that for sure!! Thanks again for a great video 🙌🏼
Thanks for the support brother!
Yeah… I’m sure they are going to iron these things out!
So has this been fixed yet?
Also curious @@hamroz1 @anthonyrodriguezz
@@hamroz1 And there was silence.
wow I like this honesty. We miss this kind of mindset now which was the original value of UA-cam. Keep up the great job. I will watch your video about phantom LUTs
Thanks brother!
I shot a wedding recently and experienced EVERY SINGLE ONE of these problems...man I wish Panny got it together, quality amazing tho...
They will bro!
What did you do and how does it perform in low light like the reception?
The footage you got off the S5ii looks so damn good. I gotta get it. Thanks for making this review!
💪🏼 thanks for that!
As a owner of the S5II, I agree absolutely with you.
It’s a bummer…
Thx for the info. I will buy S5iIX anyway. Mostly for open gate anamorphic shooting and IBIS, both normal and anamorphic modes.
💪🏼
Good thing is that most of these things can be fixed via firmware and Pana is know for lots of firmware updates. But man, you have the awesome ability to create a big comparison video between the Komodo, C70 and S5! And I wouldn’t be surprised if the S5 would be a very close competitor.
Thanks bro!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz hey so what camera you using to record this video i see its 4K rez so which camera was it ?
I agree with your assessment too and bought the camera with a lot of excitement and enthusiasm and sold all my Lumix m43 gear to buy into the full frame environment mostly for still photography. But I have a hard time controlling where the autofocus locks in groups of people like others who have commented. I use the joystick to have the yellow box select the right subject in full screen human detect continuous autofocus mode and it quickly moves off to other subjects. I'm not sure if single point is the way to go in those instances. It's frustrating and much more complicated than I think it should be. I'm taking more time thinking about which autofocus mode to use than focusing on the subject and composition. I'm hoping firmware can fix these issues. Thanks for your honest assessment.
Thanks for the input!
I’m hoping it’s all fixed as well!
Completely agree with everything you’ve said! The af is very fast (which is great) but in real world use I find myself having to use the joystick and manually move the af box to keep it where I want it. While the speed improvement is a massive step forward I actually think the implementation of the af system took a step back from the s5, especially when it comes to groups of people. Hopefully they’ll listen and make these fixes soon. Even as-is I’m still really enjoying shooting with it though.
Thanks for your input! 🙌🏼
As an S5II hybrid shooter, I agree with your assessment. These issues also extend to photo which is quite annoying, but I’m putting up with it because it is a vast improvement over the original S5, and because Panasonic will address these issues via firmware.
The image quality is on par with the A7IV in video, but the photo quality and the easiness of editing raw photos is great. The A7IV would start to break apart at ISO 1,600 and I have to push the S5II to ISO 3,200 to get the same results grain-wise, but it somehow still looks cleaner.
The S5II will be coming out next month, so I expect that there will be a massive firmware update to put the S5II on par with the S5IIX (AF-Wise, of course).
Thanks for your input! 💪🏼
Boss I’ve been stuck between the A7IV and the S5II. Out of the two which one would you recommend to buy? I had my eye on the Sony but a Panasonic ambassador slightly convinced me to get the S5II. I would take pictures for the most part but I know I would take video more serious after investing into either of these. I know lumix is more affordable especially with accessories and lenses but I don’t want to make a bad choice. So what do you recommend. Would really appreciate some help
@@osman9946 Man, it’s hard to recommend which camera will suit your needs as it will all depend on your needs, and what you value the most in a camera.
If you want focus right now is stills then either one will do great, but the AF on the A7IV will be snappier. That said, if you’re trying do extreme sports or fast-paced action I would pick the Sony A7IV.
If you’re trying to get into filmmaking, both will do the job just as well. If you wanted to get the most out of your camera for filmmaking then the S5II is the way to go as it is more geared towards video.
If you have the time and patience, I would rent them out and see which one will fit your style and needs. That alone will save you thousands, and the headaches that come with buying and returning gear.
I hope this helps you find the camera that works for you.
@@AbdonPhirathon thank you so much for the in depth answer. I’m going to rent them out. I’ve experienced the a7iii and the a7IV before, I was surprised how easy and amazing the quality of the IV was in the setting I was using and the autofocus however the lumix S5II is more affordable and seems to be on par with the IV. Plus the extra features and the LUTs makes me want to get the lumix. It seems like a good first camera
@@osman9946how did you at the end?
U covered all the prespectives of deficiencies of Panasonic PDAF. Good job!!! And thank U for sharing this.
Thank you! Hopefully it’ll be fixed!
everything you said is true and correct, I hope that panasonic will do a software update in the future
Same…
Agreed with the touch tracking. Used it all the time on sony. I dont even bother using it anymore on the s5ii. Hope lumix updates this in a firmware update
I hope so too…
It's only through being objectively critical that things can improve.
Explaining away faults doesn't benefit anyone.
It's in Panasonic's court now to fix the AF.
I completely agree 💪🏼
Remember it is new to Panasonic. Im sure they will have firmware updates like they did in previous cameras. enjoy
I’m confident they will as well!
They didn't 😂
@@iustitiaepervenitthey haven’t for real?
Nope…
@@AnthonyRodriguezz Any updates in the past four months?
Great video! I have the S5II and totally agree. Still an incredible camera for the price and I don’t regret buying it. But would love to see some firmware updates to the auto focus. My main issue is it will just randomly jump to the back of someone’s head even if I have a face clearly in the shot that was in focus. Even if I put a single area box around the head it still jumps sometimes which makes no sense.
Thanks for the input!
Great to see this experience shared Anthony, and yes it's totally OK to love a camera and still be aware of where it's limits are. Amazing bit of kit for the price. One more issue I've had with the AF is performance when shooting 60fps for S&Q. The cropping is disappointing at 60fps, but more importantly the AF looks like it reverts back to DFD. I get humming and it frequently drifts off my subject during a take. When there's too many subjects in the frame, it just panics - it doesn't pick one person and hold. Even worse when I'm lining up a shot and grab focus before rolling video, using the half shutter, when I hit the shutter to begin recording THAT is the moment the AF suddenly jumps off base. Not only do I miss the critical moment I was aiming for, but once recording at 60fps the AF is super slow to realise it's missed. I get five seconds of bokeh instead of the subject. Only an issue at the higher frame rates, but that's where I do a lot of my stuff.
Thanks!
Interesting feedback on other AF issues
@@AnthonyRodriguezz what camera did you use for recording this video in 4K ? And what lens also
thank you very much for making this vid and for talking about its autofocus problem. Good autofocus and IBIS are very important features for hybrid cameras to focus on (pun intended)😁
The IBIS is the best in the biz. The AF is not the best but really good
It almost sounds like you’re describing the auto focus in the original S5. This is exactly why I’m happy I didn’t upgrade. :-) I hardly ever use auto focus anyway, but I have these exact same issues in the S5. And I actually think the auto focus is pretty good in the S5, even without phase detect auto focus. Sounds to me like they made it more powerful, but just didn’t implement everything properly yet, I’m sure it will improve. Great video, thanks so much for sharing.
Ofcourse no problem! If you have the s5 already and dont need AF, id hold off
@@AnthonyRodriguezz oh definitely, I really have very little interest in the s52. I'm actually about to buy a second S5 because they're so cheap now. :-) I shoot a lot of anamorphic, and so this camera is awesome for me. :-) opengate would be awesome to have, but the aps-c mode in the S5 is amazing, so shooting anamorphic with this camera is really brilliant.
@@RockWILK open gate is the only useful upgrade over the s5ii and I would say to choose that over the other s5 as that camera is not too beneficial for anamorphic
Thanks for this video! I'm currently filming on a 5dmkii :D and have been debating where I go next... canon, sony, panasonic. With my current setup as a comparison I think the s5ii is an easy choice now! Cheers.
Good choice!
Really great point about the Autofocus 🤔🤔
Waiting for my S5IIX test it out, so thanks for sharing 👍🏾
Thanks brother!
It’s still a GREAT camera
Hey, how's the s5iix in auto focus? I'm thinking to go for that instead of sony a7iv
GH5 have open gate 6K in h.265 and 200 bits. My favourite profile to use. Dropping HLG on top of it and you are ready to proceed top video projects.
It’s a solid camera!
Not a fan of its sensor size but regardless is solid!
Good news it the AF is still focusing automatically… just on the wrong thing. So it’s not the core tech, it’s the back end face/object identification and prioritization. Canon for example has had “face only” since at LEAST the C200. Adding some prioritization options in the AF menu alone would solve most of these issues.
I agree!
Love it bro! Sounds like they have come a long way but still have a way to go. I really don’t understand why a face only AF is so hard 🤷♂️
Yeah… there’s a bit more to it than just face only AF but YES they’ve come a looooong way!
Thanks for the support 💪🏼
Nice to see a UA-camr confirm my frustrations. I had so many issues with it across a few shoots I just returned it and stuck with my Sony stuff. I can see they’re close, hoping they get there with firmware
I’m sure they will! But yeah… definitely frustrating
WOW. This was a very great review. I too hope P. fix those issues on their next firmware update. Or hopefully, the S5IIx will come out already corrected. Thank you.
Just got mine and I love it ❤
It’s sooo good!
Thank you for this vídeo, that really helps me to decide before buying my next camera!
Ofcourse!
One real life review, finally! :) Thanks for sharing all these practical issues that you have encountered. Else there's no way to find out about these things before you buy the camera, and then you realize if you've made a mistake or not :D
Thanks for appreciating it brother!
Great video. I just preordered the s5ii as my new bcam specifically for using in certain interview situations where I'm operating another camera and need decent AF. Your findings are interesting but don't scare me away, I guess that for simple talking heads the AF is good enough
They don’t scare me away either! 😏
I love the s5ii and am not selling it anytime soon!
Angry button mashing arrrggg. lol. Honesty it's a great point about the AF. Canon Nikon and Sony have had a few generations of phase AF to finetune their algos. I'm sure Lumix will make adjustments in their firmware as they go. I use tap to track on my Canons all the time. It's great that when you tap the screen it overrides whatever subject the camera is set to track. I bet next year this time Lumix will have that feature too.
The look of this footage is 🔥
Thanks brother!
I have an s5ii,the problem is it uses Panasonic old auto focus technology in some video formats,like full frame 4k 60.if its in aps-c there is no focus issue
Full frame 4k 60 is pdaf
@@AnthonyRodriguezz correction=1080p 60
I think we've got to the point where cameras have all become so powerful and mostly comparable to each other, that other things such as features, assist tools and lenses are what people are staring to look at when buying a camera or choosing a system.
I feel like Sony, while they make amazing and capable cameras, they have really dropped the ball in regards to things like assist tools and certain features. Instead of updating their cameras to include things such as open gate, waveforms, shutter angle. etc, it seems like they just want you to buy a new camera all together. I think if cameras like the FX3 or FX30 have "Cinema Line" in their names, they should include basic features of a cinema camera.
I feel like both Panasonic and even Fuji to a lesser extent have really been kicking things up a notch in regards to features. The S5ii in particular looks like such a beast and the price is tempting me more and more!
I couldn’t agree with you more!
@@AnthonyRodriguezz Cheers Anthony. Really looking forward to see your channel grow. Also really love your Aivascope video!
@@Christo_glenn thanks brother! Appreciate the support 💪🏼
Interesting video - I think that's where Sony and Canon still have the edge - the use of AI processing to make human like decisions in autofocus. The brand new Sony autofocus system is smart enough to focus on someone's eye and then as they turn away from camera switch to their shoulder then back to their eye when it's visible to the camera again and it's pretty seamless.
yeah they definitely edge out the s5ii!
I think it could be helpful if you mention the lenses or lens system you are using. I remember CVP or ProAV (If I'm not mistaken) find that using EF lenses with MC1 adapter resulted into more success when comes to PDAF than using native L mount lenses. If you have access to both lens mounts please share your findings to this.
Also, I tend to be a bit forgiving for Panasonic as we all know how bad first generation PDAF of other companies were before they managed to nail them. So, as much as AF goes, I still believe the only way for Pana is to get better. It might take a while but I believe the S5II is already good take when considering that it's their first generation.
Thank you and great content. Automatically subbed.
It’s actually not better results using adapted lenses but I did try both and these issues were with both adapted lenses and native l mount lenses
I do think they will improve the system though!
Liked and comment for the Algo. Also thanks for your honest oppinion!
Thanks for the support brother!
Thank you for the video and the amazing quality. I love how the Panasonic s5ii stands right next to the c70 and I don't see a huge difference in image quality. I was dead set on getting the s5ii this week but this video has planted a seed of doubt in my mind as I'm planning on also shooting a lot of weddings with this camera.. Currently debating this over the Fuji XH2s.. Thank you for the video and the food for thought, would value your opinion!
I would still get the s5ii!
they say fuji autofocus has alot more to be desired than panasonic
Good channel, good info. Subbed. Keep up the good work. Future s5iix user.
Thanks brother!
I rented it recently and I totally agree
Has autofocus been fixed? Thanks for the vid! I'm currently comparing the s5m2x and the om-1 mark ii ... wonder if you have any experience with om systems? Cheers 😃
Completely agree. Really hope #panasonic can fix or at least improve this soon!
I’m sure they will!
No issue with the AF for me, biggest issue is the overprocessing : sharpness and details filtering with most picture profiles. Aside V-Log, pictures profiles look bad, in 6K they look oversharpened, and in 4K they have weird details filtering in low light.
I never really use anything besides v-log, so I wouldn’t know too much about that.
Regarding the AF, what are you shooting?
@@AnthonyRodriguezz shoot people and events, and I use one square area, I don't trust subject tracking. If you only use V-Log I don't see much difference between the S1 and S5II but as other said, V-Log is noisier than Natural or CineD profiles, this is why I don't use it a lot in low light.
Have you tried the Auto focus using a Panasonic lens? You are using a Sigma, may be Sigma's need a firmware to make it even better?
Vishay Bhatia (Just bellow this) mentiones the double click on the screen to lock the main person)
I haven’t but it really shouldn’t make too much of a difference as the issues are more so about their implementation of AF rather than the actual potential of the AF
The First thing to do after buying a new camera is to update our working and expecting firmware.
It was updated with the latest firmware at the time of this video
Starts at 5:55
The video actually starts @00:00 buddy
Also, there’s chapter markers 🤣
@Anthony, Thanks. The chapter markers seem to be inaccurate. You start discussing the actual details of what's wrong at 5:55, yet the marker for the "The Not So Good" section is marked at 4:10.
Hey Anthony. There's also no PDAF in 1080p 50/60 and 100/120fps modes - old contrast-detect AF only.
Ik Ik. I don’t use 1080 but I’m also sure that will get fixed
I agree that the AF is good, but not on par with Canon and Sony. That said: as an heavy user of AF (I am not) did you find the new firmware update to address some of the critical point you found?
It’s better but the issues haven’t been addressed fully
The AF issues sound like something that can be fixed with firmware updates. I'm not an early adopter, so I wait at least a year before a camera is out to get into the system (also leads to better deals on the market, tbh). Thanks for the feedback though! The S5II X seems like where I'll be going, especially with that Kondor Blue SSD handle
I’m hoping 🙌🏼
It seems to be a hardware issue,if you use aps-c there is no problem.btw I have a lumix s5ii
The AF is definitely a big step up, but it's first gen. That's why I gave it a pass owning the OG s5. I might jump on the next iteration for my main camera. The AF should gain more maturity
I’m really looking forward to their answer to the c70 and fx6
Thanks again. How does the autofocus do in just talking head situations like this video? Is it flawless?
I wouldn’t say flawless! But it works 9/10.
If your hand is in front of your face long enough it’ll grab that
Super helpful video. Thanks. Thinking of buying the S5II x specifically for anamorphic, but was going to use the SIRUI 1.6x, but I’m worried about not having a 1.6x anamorphic stabilisation mode. Have you tried this combination?
Hey man! Thanks 🙏🏼
It’s definitely not something to worry about! Should be perfectly fine!
Most camera don’t even have anamorphic ibis 😂
pretty much what we discussed after filming the fx30 comparison haha
Haha! Pretty much! I’m still stoked about the camera though 😎
Thanks for all the Informations!! One question: Which Picture Profile do you recommend? Thx😊
I only shoot in v-log
Thank you for a really useful review.
Glad it was helpful!
@AnthonyRodriguezz Most definitely. I've been shooting with a Canon 5D mk3 for the last 10 years and looking to upgrade to the S5ii and this was really helpful. Thank you 👍🏼
I love the human selection and I'm surprised more cameras dont have that. I'm looking for to this as I just ordered my S5ii. Too bad it doesnt stay on the subject you choose. I like my A7IV but this camera truely has some advantages over it and the sony just has a couple of advantages such as lens selection.
The struggle is real
At least it can choose the person you want to focus on unlike some other expensive brands
You can but unfortunately it doesn’t lock on completely
I came in here because of the title to your post as i thought you where going to bash a Panasonic camera! Then realized you we not but decided to put in my thoughts anyway.
Panasonic has been making great cameras and lenses for years! It seemed that AF has always been the reason that Sony (or other brands) have bashed them saying that's why you should buy their cameras instead. And that most UA-camrs, content creators, and alike did NOT come from film or photography backgrounds and need to have AF because they didn't know how to manually focus a cameras on their own.
Well, I've been in this business for 32 years and I know cameras. I've owned and use 6 brands and systems over the years. So when the Panasonic MFT mirrorless camera hit the market in 2008, before Hasselblad, Sony, Canon, Pentax, Olympus, Lecia, Blackmagic, Nikon or professional film cameras. As it grow in popularity as the GH1 was introduced in 2009, it revolutionized a MFT mirrorless camera until what we see today as they are the end the the SLR/DSLR camera today. I purchased in over a decade ago and been using them ever since. Now, with Panasonics first phase detect AF system S5 series cameras, they are VERY GOOD. Yes, there are still some minor issues to be worked out as you brought forth herein, but knowing Panasonic, they're working toward new updates fixes on these issues as they have for years with all their cameras. Saying that, I can see you're on the right track. Even today, I don't use AF most of the time unless needed. However, I'm very happy to see it's finally here for Panasonic. Sometime it take... one, two, three takes to get it right, even with Phase detect AF! That's showbiz.
Thanks for adding your thoughts into the mix! 🙌🏼
I found the same things in my tests as you. The autofocus works mostly, but it has the quirks you mentioned. I haven’t done a video about it because I don’t want to deal with the hate 🤣🤣
Hahaha! I get it, the backlash is annoying. Someone’s gotta do it! 🙋🏽♂️
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I’m very glad you posted. My channel features mostly Sony stuff - so if I say another brand has an issue - it gets pretty bad 🤣🤣
As a fan boy of a brand you can also critically assess, ultimately the manufacturer can improve its firmware through these comments!
By concealing this, such as overheating of a sony or canon camera, it doesn't get any better!
I'd rather practice manual focus pulling on a tennis ball swinging on a string than trust autofocus completely.
With manual focus at certain moments I can still show beautiful images to a customer, but an overheated camera that fails during a wedding I can never make up for that.
So I give Panasonic the chance to improve this technique, for the price of the body with so many possibilities it is still a no brainer!
I will always opt for manual focus with more depth of field if it really shouldn't fail,
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Uh my Panasonic gh5 mkii can shoot open gate as well and can be used with anamorphic lenses and I got it open box for 1199.
It’s also a micro 4/3 sensor. That’s less than half the sensor size 😂
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I can take a GH5 mkii into pro sporting events and shoot handheld video where you would be turned away. My research into ADHD and athletic performance allows me to shoot things that would not be picked up on a live feed, like changes in routine when a player is more anxious. With the Panasonic Gh5 mkii and the 35-100mm f2.8 mkII 70-200mm f2.8 equivalent, I can take that 4.5-inch long lens anywhere.
With ideal lighting, where 14 stops of dynamic range are not as necessary, the GH5 mkii works just fine. The 6.5 stops of dual ibis are as good as any other competitor, with the exception of OM Systems.
If I need the 14 stops of dynamic range, then the BGH1 box MFT camera with a 10.2-megapixel sensor works great. In fact, it is approved for use by Netflix.
That all being said, There is an S5 MkII x in my future, so I can handle low light extreme conditions better! The body is almost the same size as the GH5 mkii.
good points. thank you. your B roll is strange, the clips are unrelated to what you're talking about. your info is excellent. you mentioned some things about the focus tracking. can you demonstrate it?
Not sure where you’re seeing unrelated B-roll 😅😂
I did mention that I wasn’t going to be adding a lot of footage to the video as I didn’t have the time. So I didn’t spend hours getting extra footage of the focus tracking failing.
I did add some in there though when I was talking about it
Thanks for the update. The a7iv looks great because of the autofocus, but this camera has so much to offer. If I turned off the autofocus, do you think I could use this camera to shoot skits with multiple people moving in and out of frame and waving things around? I'd be in the shot, so I wouldn't be able to control the camera. I'd set it for a wide aperture for deep depth of field, I guess. Would that work?
A lot of factors here but yeah as long as the focal length is wide enough and the DOF isn’t shallow you should be fine.
Canon is king of all cameras in game of tracking. Even entry level eos sl3 is mind blowing in tracking..
Hmmm not sure if I agree with this statement… have you used any newer Sony cameras?
Nice review and appreciating your sincerity. I still think I'm holding out for S5iix based on all indications. I've been living with panny m43 for years, so this is a step forward.
Thanks man!
Just a heads up, the s5iix doesn’t have a more advanced AF system and updates that happen with that camera will happen to this one!
Same problem for me the autofocus tracking its sooooo bad . I do video for dancer and so bad .I lost a many shoot because the autotracking it’s bad and no good focus in slow mo . I don’t do video like many youtuber just go and out of camera and say ok the Autofocus it’s good o walk slowly for the autofocus track me . Many people lied a lot for this camera and I hope panasonic gone fix this if not i switch to sony . I really love panasonic and lumix camera but if I buy something and the compagnie promes me something he have to complain for what he say. Pananonic fix the fu…. Autofocus .
I hear what you’re saying!
I think the main issue is that many reviewer were saying it’s as good if not better than Sony so our expectations were not right.
I definitely think it’s a good AF system that just need some serious improvement!
Im waiting for the s5llx i hope they fix the auto focus problem ,
Thanks for the useful honest info , subscribed . 👍
Thanks for the support! Glad it was helpful 🙌🏼
Be interesting to see if the new firmware just announced (oct 2023) does anything to help this
I’ll test it out soon!
I'm going to invest in my first full frame and I'm completely undecided between the Sony A7SIII and the Lumix S5IIX. Sony seems very reliable to me, but I have doubts mainly due to the lack of updates and also because it is an older camera. On the other hand, I have an amazing recent camera with a great price, but which raises questions about Rolling Shutter and 60 fps cropping. What would I recommend? I've been in this cruel doubt for months! 😅
Lol! Not sure I’m the guy to tip you over the edge but me personally if I needed reliability I’d go for a used a7siii
@@AnthonyRodriguezz Thank you so much!
This camera looks awesome im all about that ibis
The ibis is wild!
Very helpful. Thanks!
Thank you! 🙏🏼
What lenses do you use? Amazing videos. Can you make tutorials?
A simple sigma 28-70!
A tutorial on what specifically?
@@AnthonyRodriguezz something like behind the scenes and editing process. I love this video. Next week I am buying s5 ii. From 2010 I used Sony, then fuji, Canon and from 2015 Nikon. And this new line Z is not god. So I am going to Panasonic. For wedding video and photography. One s5ii and one s5iix
@Kadric.photography I have some on the channel!
I’m still happy with my s1h-Bs1h-gh6 workflow. Pdaf in panny isn’t exciting to me. I shot Sony and switching to panny taught me how to MF and well, I think I’m good lol thanks for being honest!
Haha no problem! I want to stay honest!
Reliable AF in at least one of my cameras is crucial for my workflow.
@@AnthonyRodriguezz how come? For UA-cam talking?
@@ChrisFlores22 anything I’m shooting on a gimbal. Plus I have the Komodo and c70. Makes no sense not having a smaller light, easier to use AF cam, ya know?
@@AnthonyRodriguezz true that! How do the c70 & Komodo match? What’s that workflow like? Plus, I’m still waiting for the phantom lut workflow video lol
It’s great! Love it.
The video is coming 😏
Deal breaker for me honestly. Sad about it. Need to buy like asap and was leaning heavily towards this camera as another B/C cam, and I just need solid AF (weddings mainly). Thanks for your insight.
It can for sure be used for weddings!
The only thing is touch focusing.
hey could you make a video or have you made a video on the lens selection for this particular camera?
I haven’t! But tbh the video would be a little boring as I mainly just use the sigma 28-70 f2.8 😂
You wrote about the S5ii dropping focus when you have your hands near the camera and in front of you when you are talking to the camera. I have a Lumix G80 (G85 in North America) and programmed it (took a picture of myself) with me as a profile. Now when it is in human detect it looks for and locks on me. Cannot recall when it did not lock on me and there is none of this hand distracting the focus. More than five yr old camera getting it right so surely you could do something similar on the S5ii?
I think those are completely different situations and use cases
@@AnthonyRodriguezz yet you talked about filming yourself and how with your hands in front of the camera the S5ii lost your face and started focussing on your hands. What I do with the G85 Seems to solve this so I don't understand how you say "different use cases" since I too gesture with my hands in front of the camera. Explain different use cases since in my comment I was specifically addressing one of your use cases. If my 5+ yrs old MFT camera can do it surely the new hybrid focus small format marketed as full frame can as well?
About sharpness:
Compared RAW in Lightroom (sharpening lowered to 0) and 6K 3:2 footage, the detail/sharpness looked almost identical, certainly no sharpening applied.
Still in comparison to the S1H with its OLPF both RAW images and 6K video look a bit too sharp for me without any additional optical or gaussian filtering.
3:50 the R5C (and R6II) does quite well with external RAW and C-Log. About 1-2 stop improvement over internal C-Log3.
5:38 Lumix fan here haha, but there are certainly issues with the AF but also video processing
Regular Rec709/sRGB profiles are overprocessed
V-Log shows banding in darker areas, 8 bit vs. 10 bit ext. look almost identical.
6:16 really annoying but I'm sure it isn't hardware-related and can easily be fixed.
7:08 totally agree, I've seen the AF losing its mind if there's more than just one person.
Yeah… I’m not going to be shooting raw with the r5c the files size are 5x the size of my Komodo and not as usable/beneficial!
Appreciate you taking the time to comment and provide your thoughts 💪🏼
I might be misunderstanding something, but it sounds like you were saying the S1H was the only mirrorless feature to have open gate? I'm confused, because the GH5 and GH6 have open gate as well, which are cheaper than the Lumix S5ii.
Full frame open gate*
Gh5&6 open gate is like a corner of the s1h&s5ii’s open gate
How is the moire on the S52 for video? I have the original S5 and shoot Braw to the video assist because it practically eliminates rainbows on highly detailed shots because of the 6K. Are you using diffusion for this reason? Love the new autofocus options, but want to see if they do an S1H refresh with an OLPF before making any upgrades. And I asked in a Lumix live Q&A recently and they confirmed there will definitely be no OLPF for the S5 line. Great video, thanks for sharing!
So I have noticed the moire a couple of times. It’s not bad enough for me to even mention but yeah it’s there.
And I’m using diffusion simply because I love diffusion 😂
I heard from some lumix s5 users that if they shoot in VLOG, they never see moire. I am not sure if they shoot 4k or 1080p but I assume they might be shooting everything... Not sure if VLOG takes away moire.... please share thoughts if possible.
The hardware is there. Auto focus can be corrected and improved by firmware. Pano should hire better ai talent in this field ....
It's unfortunate that it's so subpar. The camera is so beautiful with the AF being the issue
I agree 100%
I haven't tried this on the S5 ii but on old Panasonic bodys if you click the stick in it will put these perpendicular lines that will force a true confirmation of the person you want just something to try there's a video made by @Luca Bono I would say if you can try this out when filming people again I've never used the mark ii so I have no idea if it helps it or not
I’ll try it out thanks!
This is concerning as I just bought the S5ii and previously had the R5C and I felt the AF on the R5C was absolutely unusable trash in pretty much every situation. If the R5C has better AF than the C70 and you say the S5ii is worse than the C70 that's going to be a huge issue. I'm not sure if you could really get much worse than the AF on the R5C. Some people are saying the S5ii autofocus is as good as Sony which would also be nice because so far the best autofocusing camera I have ever used is my Sony A7RV and I didn't even buy that with the intent to shoot video with. Every video I've used it on though has nailed focus and I didn't even have to think about it.
I wouldn’t be too concerned!
Thinking about getting it for content creation instead of the ZV-1 after the overheating news, but dont have much knowledge on the L mount lenses and what's best to pick? as I said its for content creation (talking heads) and live streaming
so regarding this camera (and its cropping) what's best glass to get?
Sigma 28-79
I’m trying to take the leap into full-frame cameras and I’m strictly a photographer. This camera piqued my interest with all of its features but all of the reviews I see are about its videography abilities. I know it’s advertised as a hybrid camera but is this camera more for videography vs. standard photography?
Tbh, almost any new cameras nowadays will excel in the photo aspect! But to answer your question more directly and… indirectly. It’s not too important if it’s more of a “video” camera than a “photo” camera, it takes incredible photos and I’d recommend it to any photographer!
Hope that helps!
Thanks! Very good one! Does the camera AF works well with EF lenses? Also what happens if you use a EF lens with IS and turn it on? On the GH5 if I adapt a EF with IS you can only have either body or lens IS. They don't work both at the same time.
The AF works completely fine!
I’ve found that the lens IS can’t be used on the s5ii, unfortunately
@@AnthonyRodriguezz thanks for answering, out of curiosity what lenses did you use?
I have other weird problem. When recording at 1080p the autofocus i so much slower and worse than in 4K. I don't know what causing it but i get very annoyed when in 4k af is fast and reliable but in 1080 it thinks and it is not very fast. Also when taking pictures, many of them have missed focus, even though I tested many modes and practically nothing improved.
They are working on fixing this!
Question:
With the autofocus issue you've addressed could you accommodate this with a follow focus attached to the lens? I guess my question mainly refers to, can you turn off autofocus on the camera and use the follow focus as the needed accessory. I'm also asking mainly for narrative filmmaking which is what I do. I guess this could be an important answer as I'm liking all the other qualities of this camera, but I would like your further thoughts in regards to this. Thank you
Before I of course purchase the camera
You could accommodate it by manually focusing with anything. That doesn’t necessarily solve the issue you’re just turning AF off which is a viable solution 🤷🏽♂️
That being said though, the AF is reliable enough for me to use often! Take that for what you will :)
Thank You!
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Firmware 3.0 is coming at 22th of April !!!
Saw that!
No touch tracking though
This is their first gen of this tech. Ofc it's not gonna be perfect. That's why I always buy either the 2nd gen or the 3rd gen of any first iteration of a product.
Understandable, it’ll be fixed! I’m sure of it
Question I noticed vlog is a little noisy in shadows and I’m coming from the c70 clog2 and never had this problem. Do you expose vlog slightly higher ? And do you change the noise reduction function in camera at all?
I do expose slightly higher but you don’t necessarily need to.
I’ve never noticed noisy shadows tbh
7:12 Damn! i focused on the wrong subject too 🤣
🤦🏽♂️😂
Thinking of purchasing. We’re any of these issues ever corrected?? Great video btw 🦾
They were not… at least not yet
Hey there... GREAT VIDEO!!! I am a hybrid wedding shooter and I can't find this specific answer anywhere and hoping someone here can help. What happens when you are in photo mode but hit the RED record button? Will it record using the CURRENT settings in Photo Mode or will it switch to the last VIDEO settings from Video Mode? I hope it pulls from the video settings and even uses the Log format and LUT preview too, despite being in Photo mode and then jump back to the Photo settings when I end the video clip. Thanks for any help on this.
Hey! Sorry for the late response!
Wanted to make sure I tested it out before responding and I’ve been crazy busy!
Unfortunately I think it sticks with whatever settings are in photo mode. Not sure if you can change this or not, maybe you can 🤷🏽♂️
I wish I could make an S5II purchase make sense but I only do photography so a video centric camera for stills would not make sense and it would be a waste. It would be like I’m just using half of the camera at most.
Yeah AF wouldn’t be an issue for someone like me since AF is solid for stills on any Panasonic camera old and new but I can’t make it make sense to buy a video camera for stills. Wish they had more stills features but it won’t happen unfortunately.
Yeah.. the big improvements were for video
@@AnthonyRodriguezz I almost considered getting into video and this would have been the perfect camera for both but my heart wouldn’t be in it when it came to video so I decided to not get it. Still watch videos to see if they have added any stills features via firmware updates but nah. This was a great informative video though, didn’t know it still had problems like this. Knowing Panasonic they will fix it via firmware updates. The G9 came a long way from its original release firmware. I had it for 4 years and it’s crazy how much they improved it via firmware updates. So I say be patient.