Cartoon Universe at first, i though the same on Pearl. But, this is how Garnet title then after they joined the Crystal Gems. The line dor Bismuth. A Bismuth that build weapons instead buildings for the tyrrant. What Garnet meant is Pearl dint belonged to anyone after she join the Crystal Gems.
Dont we have to consider that garnet was confused about what reality they were living in? She did confuse the fact that onion was taken and he was still on earth, so she could have mixed up some stuff about the past without even realizing it... the whole story could have been a lie or just some parts of it. I think we should consider this.
I like that everyone is wrong about rose. It makes me think of how historical figures are "idealized" over time making them seem like "perfect" versions of themselves when they were as flawed as the rest of us
But think, garnet wasn't actually there. She came in later. In the episode "the answer" garnet tells her story of how she met rose and pearl. I think we will only find out if pearl's past is revealed.
I think there are two key characters: Pearl and Padparadscha. with Pearl past is going to reveal a big part of Rose story since they seems to know each other at the beggining, and when Pearl want to talk about the past, something inside her always stops herself! And Padparadscha is able to see the past, at some point she is gonna see her potential and she will see what happened in the rebelion 5 thousand years ago with her powers....
Dahiana Sarria That could happen, like when she figured out Lars was pressing the wrong button. She could explain something when pearl covers her mouth. Idk but I can't wait.
Lily BUNNY We actually need Pearl and, possibly, Jasper's sides of the story. Two opposite sides and takes on the same event between one who loves and one who hates...the REAL truth is somewhere between those two sides. Pearl was her loyal servant, and Jasper is most likely a sister. She claims to have fought AGAINST Rose's forces and even had once had respect for her. So it is highly likely she was around back then, and given both are Quartz born on Earth...They are likely sister gems. "My diamond! Your diamond! Pink Diamond!" Given Sugar wants to redeem Jasper as much as a lot of us fans want, I have always believed we would get a harsh truth from Jasper about Rose. I never bought the story the Crystal Gems told about her. Anytime someone tries that hard to tell that saintly a story, they are hiding something.
Hmm well when they said "Pearl without a owner" I think they meant their status after they rebelled if you see how the other gems are called, example: "A Bismuth that crafted swords"
Take note that Garnet was talking about the backstory of Rose Quarts after she has met her already. Rose and Pearl met Garnet after they have started the rebellion, and therefore Rose may or may not have stated the truth about her origins to Garnet and to the rest. What we are seeing in Garnet's flashback is not the most accurate of backstories as Garnet did not experience the actual start of the rebellion itself (only in the latter parts). I think the show runners deliberately tried to do this to confuse the audience and the characters themselves. Imagine a "truth bomb" about Rose's past that Garnet never knew and might even go against with what she knows? Story-wise, I'm liking where this is going.
The story Garnet told still hasn't changed the way I think about Rose Quartz. I think someone is lying to our faces. I personally believe that the truth is right in front of our faces but we just can't see it. I think we will get the truth soon :)
Maybe Garnet doesn't even know in which "pool" / timeline she is anymore. There for Sapphire saw Rose Quartz shattering Pink Diamond, but maybe it wasn't or Rose??
I think your taking everything garnet says at face value when everything else in the show suggests otherwise. Remember pearls line "when I served... homeworld" suggesting she served, she had an owner. Much like how roses origins don't add up in the timeline I think these episodes are supposed to make garnet out to be an unreliable narrator for Steven. And that rose is a lot more of a cold person than we are lead to believe.
I think everything she said was red herrings, a clue given to mislead someone to a whole other theory like that Rose really did shatter Pink Diamond. Garnet is honestly the opposite of Ronaldo, instead dropping real clues that create mind boggling theories; she create doubt. We all know that Pink was shattered but Steven questioning that well makes us question rather it's true or not.
A far more interesting thought of mine comes from another episode, where Garnet begins to do things out of order and mess with future vision. I think she's saying what she thinks is best, trying to mend a timeline that Steven has wrecked so hard.
H.C.Brown peridot asked pearl who she belonged to anyone and she said nobody same with bismuth and jasper even said some LOST pearl. I just think everyone wants her to have some huge backstory like belonging to white diamond
I think the rebellion was Rose's idea, but I think Pearl shattered Pink Diamond, and Rose willingly took the blame for some reason. And the only two people who knew were Rose, and Pearl. Pearl always looks like she's about to burst at the seams whenever it comes up. Especially after Steven turned himself in for the crime.
I took the pearl line to be more of a declaration than a comment about her status. As in, she was owned at one point, but defecting was her rebellious act of choice and therefore would be known as "the pearl without an owner" during the rebellion. Honestly, I want Pearl to have been the "Mother of Pearl(s)." That just seems so right for her. Head Honcho Pearl!
Honestly I’d love to learn more about her shield. It’s always been so weird to me that her shield could withstand the corruption song. We’ve seen how powerful all of the gems we’ve encountered so far are, and I feel like a corruption blast from THREE diamonds should dissolve the shield or something.
I don't think Rebecca Sugar and co. are all that concerned with relative power scale of diamonds vs other gems powers as opposed to telling a story and giving characters the ability to overcome what they need to be able to whether that be through their powers and their abilities or their capacity for caring for others
I'd agree with that, but I'm still curious :P The show has been pretty lore heavy recently, so it feels like something that needs to be wrapped up a bit when they touch more in-depth upon Rose's war arc. If they don't, it won't be the end of the world because as you say, there are more important emotional/character things going on, but it's something I've been wondering about for several seasons now.
Riku Silver I thought the corruption song was both sound and light, leaning that it wasn't a physical attack. If it wasn't physical, how could a shield protect from it? It's like holding an umbrella in a rock concert. You'll still get sound and light coming through. I thought Rose might bubble herself, but even that seems pretty ineffective.
After Last Nights episodes, ofcourse we now have the answer to who 'shattered' pd. But it now makes sense that in Pearl's hologram flashback when Rose says "we can never go home." She was most likely talking in Pd's POV, and since she created the illusion of Rose Quartz on earth, then it puts everything in place. Rose Quartz, leader of the rebellion, was made on earth.
Personal theory: I think there is a slight chance that Pink was flawed and volatile. Meaning she was basically a ticking time bomb that was on a path to being shattered no matter what. Her gem wasn't well so it shattered on its own and Rose was just used as a cover up by White Diamond so people wouldn't find out about a Diamond being flawed.Rose took the opportunity to be feared by the other gems of homeworld and White to use Rose as an excuse to use the diamond attack that corrupted all gems on earth. It is a crackpot theory though
I have to give props-this video is the closest I’ve seen to somebody figuring out what actually happened. I actually figured out what the deal with Rose, Pink, and the mystery woman was a few months ago and have been sitting on it to see if anybody else could pick up the same beat without interference from me. I’m still waiting to see if that happens, but I’m going to start letting people know that I have a theory in which I have about 90% confidence in.
Pearl belonged to no one because she claimed her own freedom. I believe she did previously belong to someone until she emancipated herself by joining Rose.
ExactlyOneGrape Maybe the fact that she betrayed her own kind and that she took the life of many gems. Yet everyone praises her as gem Jesus. Like Greg said: Theres no such thing like a good war.
Not everyone. Just the people who followed her and understood what she fought for. The Diamonds and most of Homeworld view her as either a villain or some kind of bogeyman.
Hey Hailey, I had an interesting thought. In a later episode, we get Garnet trying to mess with her future vision, and confesses that Steven has messed with the predictability of the outcome really hard. I think what could be happening is Garnet white-lying of sorts, saying what's best for the timeline relative to the events that occurred. I wonder if this an extra protective move of her, as in that later episode she does break down about how she can't tell how the path will go down, implying she wants a predictable course of time and future such that they are guaranteed to win by all means necessary. Is that, in a sense, Garnet spreading some sort of implied propaganda to ensure that they can be safe or win the battle? Maybe this is why she has been purposefully vague, because her future vision told her Steven would possibly give up on the matter?
I think all gems are made with the idea and memory of homeworld and their gem cast already inside them because if not then they would have to be taught their place and their duty and that would wastes time for the diamonds and delay the construction of colonies
But then what about Amethyst who was born without any knowledge. If she were left in their even longer, then the idea of homeworld should also be with her.
The Chubby Cynic - True she is overdone, but that seems to only affect her size, as she seemed mentally on par with all the other Amethysts in the kindergarten, and they also didn't seem particularly pro homeworld, willing to carelessly betray a higher up. I think, like our Amethyst, they also never saw homeworld, they were taken from earth straight to the kindergarden where they were almost bubbled like the Rose gems, but saved by blue diamond. If their allegiance was built into them, then they would be either super annoyed to be doing menial labor of babysitting organic life, which they sem happy to do, or they wouldn't have helped the gems at all. I mean the crystal gems shattered their "leader" and cost them their jobs as real soldiers, Eyeballs reaction would be completely understandable if (s)he were in their place. So they also don't have real allegiance to homeworld, (possibly to blue diamond), they were probably just as confused as Amethyst when she first joined the gems and they are (mostly) properly created gems.
You're looking at the idea of how they see "home" as "Home World" off. I presume you are an American right? Or at the very least, from the former British Empire? In 1775, Britain was called "Mother England." Several Founding Fathers got the chance, before the Revolution, to go there and study prior to rebelling. Even during the British Empire, it was a big deal if an Indian, Nigerian, Jamaican, or Canadian got a chance to visit England for whatever reason. It was literally the "Mother" country. Earth is awesome, but their rebellion meant they could never go to the "Home" of Gems. It meant Gems on Earth would be separated from all other Gems. Imagine if American, after winning the Revolution, could never venture to Britain and would lose all contact with them. It was them not just formally severing ties with gems, but literal ties.
It's no way that Rose Quartz shattered and murdered Pink Diamond because, her sword only can poof and any parts of a body but, not powerful enough to shatter a gem.
I dont think she did it either but technicaly she could poof her and then crush her gem with her fist or something. I mean lapis was cracked by beeing stepped on. Its not that big of a stretch.
And Pink doesn't seem the type to so callously discard organic life anyways, having gone to the effort to create the Human Zoo and all, so her not being opposed to the Crystal Gem philosophy is pretty likely...
I think garnet doesn't know the truth and pearl is the only one who knows the truth. Rose also stated that she didn't miss her home in we need to talk.
I think it's pretty clear Garnet was not around when Pink Diamond was shattered or for the origins of the Crystal Gems. This is probably just what she was told about much of it. Pearl is very interesting. She's said she "served Homeworld" but how? Was she made for White Diamond but rejected? Owned for a bit, but then replaced and cast out with another, better, fancier pearl?
longtail4711 I think that's more a matter of what sort of Gem White Diamond is, seeing as Pearl (her gem is white too) would probably be working directly for her spying on Blue and Yellow... maybe sent on a mission to spy on Rose Quartz's early rebellion... Ooh... a spy falling for the person they're spying on, kinda cliché but not that out there, is it?
Lol, not only don’t I trust Garnet anymore, but I don’t think I trust Rebecca sugar😂😂😂 If she were to tell me that Pearl was never ever owned, I would squint my eyes and ask, “But, are you sure tho?” I think it makes more sense if Rose actually ate Pink Diamond, than Pearl never having a “master”. It would give Pearl a more compelling reason to rebel and fight for her freedom from home world. What, did she just lay eyes on Rose and said,”Dang pink mama, I’ll fight along with you as long as I can stare at dat thicc pink booty” 😭😭😭 (What did I just write?😂)
ARE YOU TAKING THE PISS?! Wait (remembers in the human zoo episode Steven's gem was scanned as the limb enhancers were giving him new clothes so his gem is now on file.).......uh oh.......
I think that the reason why most of the flashbacks are blacken out because it was not true or just a story garnet heard but the ones with color actually happened like rose saving pearl and garnet
I really keep hearing this same thing, and I think people are taking the line "A pearl that belonged to no one" a bit too literally. I think what was done here, was, as time was short to summarize the whole rebellion, and we definitely are not going to hear Pearl's story second hand from Garnet...Her title was chopped into a simple blurb to symbolize Pearl and her spot in the rebellion; she is a Pearl, but she decided to belong to no one. Further, let's remember what was said about Bismuth just seconds prior; she was a Bismuth who crafted weapons for rebels instead of Towers for Tyrants....She did not start out that way either, but that was her place, her story, in the rebellion. I think people are misinterpreting this line about Pearl and blowing it a little out of proportion....We know she belonged to some one at some point, but she forged that spot for herself as ownerless when she rebelled, and she never looked back. Bismuth basically joked around with her on this exact line back in the Bismuth special. I definitely do not feel lied to about Pearl in this regard...
0:45 “All Jokes Aside” It’s not a joke! It’s foreshadowing. It turns out that Rose was Pink Diamond. Pink just shape shifted into Rose. So technically, Rose isn’t real.
Sugar has said before that Revolutionary Girl Utena was inspirational in the creation of Steven Universe. Utena highly allegorical, and over the course of the series a lot of really distinct visual cues are established as symbols. One of the most prevalent visual cues used throughout Utena is a silhouetted style of animation that is strikingly close to the one used in these flashbacks. In Utena these scenes represent a version of the truth that is idealized to the point of being warped beyond recognition. One of the biggest underlying themes in Utena is that reality almost never lives up to the legends it inspires, but also that these false realities we construct hold us back. Maybe Steven Universe is mirroring this theme. If so, I think we're in for a lot more reveals about Rose Quartz.
Take it all with a grain of salt, plus it is a cartoon in the end. Garnet most likely told it as best she knew. Rose kept many secrets, like about bubbling Bismuth as one heavy example; what exactly became of Pink Diamond would be a second. The stuff about Earth setting gems free: figurative inspiration.
The question of how long Amethyst was cooking is up in the air now as well, On another note the Famethyst being the way they are is most likely a result of them having been around Rose for however many years.
I think the zoo is a good thought! As the clip in the "flashback" when garnet said "love" and it showed Rose and a human it looked like one human from the zoo!
Does anyone else feel like when Rose went dark, that it was just Steven's worry and fears about how bad Rose could be? Or do you think it's more than that? I love the newest episodes so much
I wonder if what we learned in the episode was two-thirds of a whole story. The Crystal Gems version and the Homeworlds version. There could still be another view to this story from Rose's/Steven's own perspective. We get the view of two groups looking in but not a version from someone looking out. I still like to believe that Pink started to feel about the Earth like Rose did and somehow worked against the other 3 Diamonds to save the Earth.
for Pearl, I clearly remember she told Steven in the episode "Gemcation" "back in the days, when i was still serving.... erm... in homeworld..." plus the whole timeline seems doubtful. how did Garnet know about Rose's past? didn't that ruby and sapphire still served Blue and Yellow Diamond that time? and why Rose went to home world and attempted to attack blue diamond's colony, and caused Ruby and Sapphire fused? For me, I think Pearl served white diamond, and for some reason she had assigned to served Pink Diamond instead (maybe Pink begged White Diamond like how she begged Yellow to have her own Pearl, but she specifically want the Pearl that we knew). I think this would make more sense that this is how Pearl and Rose met. And Pink Diamond on the other hand, I think she had already been shattered, but she is still alive, but she can't reform, due to her gem had shattered, left over her mind like a spirits, because this might be Pink's ability. look, Rose is just a Quartz but she can do a lot things like healing, recovery, floating and resurrection... Pink is her own Diamond, I believe Pink can do even more of this kinda stuffs than Rose.
I think when garnet said “a pearl who didn’t belong to anybody” she meant that that was her new identity, after the rebellion started. Like when they said “a bismuth who built weapons instead of buildings” and the whole part about garnet being a fusion of love
Did anyone else think of pearl's song "It's over isn't it" the second verse is literally "war and glory, reinvention; fusion freedoom, her attention" like its right there, what she and "rose" did
My 'minitheory' to explain that 'our home' thing away is that all gems, no matter where they are created, view homeworld as their home simply because 'that is how it is' there are several real life comparisons. Home is not where they were born, its where they see themselves as being the closest too. Gems are told that homeworld is the center of gem-kind, the center of gem-culture, etc.
Great video, and for those who haven’t seen them already please go watch the episodes “Can’t Go Back”, & “A Single Pale Rose”. You’re questions will be answered there.
I am pretty sure the statement "a pearl who belongs to no one" was talking about her state in the crystal gems and not before it since it was immediately followed with "and a fusion made for love" It seemed more like a sound off of warriors and what now makes them unique, rather than their dull past. If it was talking about their past before they got drove to the crystal gems, it would have said a simple ruby soldier and a sapphire ruled by blue diamond
I was thinking that the title "The Pearl That Belonged to No One" was more of a play on what Bismuth said. Pearl took her freedom, deeming that she belonged to nobody. Meaning, she had before
I don't see why Garnet would lie about it, they better not be trying to turn her into a bad gal. Also, wasn't Garnet there with Rose way back then? What I'm thinking is that maybe the portion where the art style changed is the parts she may have been TOLD, but then the one scene with the laser was what she knows actually happened? Idk I really didn't think much about this until this video.
Platinum Warpstar We don't know when Pink Diamond was shattered. We only know the year that Sapphire and Ruby first fused as Garnet, and presumably joined Rose and Pearl not long after. There are reasons to believe this was fairly early in the rebellion, but it's by no means confirmed.
baraxor It was probably halfwayish through the war that Garnet joined in my opinion. Things had gotten bad enough that Blue was involved at that point. I would guess the shattering happened at the end and was an act of desperation by a losing Rose.
Garnet didn't lie. This was just what Rose told her. But Rose had her secrets after all. Rose told Garnet and the gang that Bismuth was lost in the battle against Homeworld. I think the only one with any real answers about the shattering is Pearl.
Platinum Warpstar I think it’s more so that she doesn’t know the whole truth. She probably only knows what she’s been told or made to believe. I’m not sure how they would have gotten around her future vision (maybe the shattering was in one of those pools of improbability where her future vision was null and void) but it’s obvious someone isn’t telling the truth if Garnet thinks Rose shattered Pink with her sword.
As far as Homeworld gems go, home isn't where you're made; It's where you belong. I'm sure that Rose only referred to it as home because it was early in the rebellion and she was speaking to Pearl who may actually be from Homeworld.
I do not know why there are a lot of people calling Rose (Pink) the villain of the story? If it were not for her the Earth would have been colonized and humanity destroyed. She lied is true but she always fought for the right reasons, never broke other gems and it was she who helped Ruby and Sapphire. Her mistake was not to predict that the Diamonds would retaliate like that.
That was totally what i was thinking. Ive even commented as much a few times in a few videos. Although in my theory, the diamonds unintentionally corrupted pink. With the song. White diamond knows, which was why the earth was left alone for so long, and white was absent until now
we've known since season 2 that Rose was an Earth Gem. In when it rains, Peridot says to Steven: "You're some kind of quartz right? You must have been made here." (They are in the prime Kindergarten at the time.) As far as we know, all Qartz are Earth born Gems.
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Let me know what you thought of all this new information on Rose Quartz! Does it change the way you think about her?
Cartoon Universe at first, i though the same on Pearl. But, this is how Garnet title then after they joined the Crystal Gems. The line dor Bismuth. A Bismuth that build weapons instead buildings for the tyrrant. What Garnet meant is Pearl dint belonged to anyone after she join the Crystal Gems.
I think she was made on homeworld and she told them a lie.
Dont we have to consider that garnet was confused about what reality they were living in? She did confuse the fact that onion was taken and he was still on earth, so she could have mixed up some stuff about the past without even realizing it... the whole story could have been a lie or just some parts of it. I think we should consider this.
Maybe she calls home world home since it’s HOMEworld
Actually I am pretty disappointed! And I wanted pink diamond was different but she was worse!
_"Rose Quartz isn't real"_
Nice job.👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
It would be oh so easy for Garnet to be given a lie, perpetuate it and never knew it was a lie this whole time.
😱😱😱 I FOUND A GARNET FAN!!!
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I like that everyone is wrong about rose. It makes me think of how historical figures are "idealized" over time making them seem like "perfect" versions of themselves when they were as flawed as the rest of us
Trident Nine Five you mean idolized?
Dragon empress Perhaps, but considering it's in quotes, I would read it as "idealized" meaning "made ideal or perfect".
0:36 FORESHADOWING
"There was something about Earth, something that set gems free"
THAT WASN'T ROSE TALKING
But think, garnet wasn't actually there. She came in later. In the episode "the answer" garnet tells her story of how she met rose and pearl. I think we will only find out if pearl's past is revealed.
I think there are two key characters: Pearl and Padparadscha. with Pearl past is going to reveal a big part of Rose story since they seems to know each other at the beggining, and when Pearl want to talk about the past, something inside her always stops herself! And Padparadscha is able to see the past, at some point she is gonna see her potential and she will see what happened in the rebelion 5 thousand years ago with her powers....
Dahiana Sarria That could happen, like when she figured out Lars was pressing the wrong button. She could explain something when pearl covers her mouth. Idk but I can't wait.
Lily BUNNY
We actually need Pearl and, possibly, Jasper's sides of the story.
Two opposite sides and takes on the same event between one who loves and one who hates...the REAL truth is somewhere between those two sides.
Pearl was her loyal servant, and Jasper is most likely a sister. She claims to have fought AGAINST Rose's forces and even had once had respect for her. So it is highly likely she was around back then, and given both are Quartz born on Earth...They are likely sister gems. "My diamond! Your diamond! Pink Diamond!"
Given Sugar wants to redeem Jasper as much as a lot of us fans want, I have always believed we would get a harsh truth from Jasper about Rose. I never bought the story the Crystal Gems told about her. Anytime someone tries that hard to tell that saintly a story, they are hiding something.
Hmm well when they said "Pearl without a owner" I think they meant their status after they rebelled if you see how the other gems are called, example: "A Bismuth that crafted swords"
Edgar Moreno exactly, I still think she belonged to White
Take note that Garnet was talking about the backstory of Rose Quarts after she has met her already. Rose and Pearl met Garnet after they have started the rebellion, and therefore Rose may or may not have stated the truth about her origins to Garnet and to the rest. What we are seeing in Garnet's flashback is not the most accurate of backstories as Garnet did not experience the actual start of the rebellion itself (only in the latter parts). I think the show runners deliberately tried to do this to confuse the audience and the characters themselves. Imagine a "truth bomb" about Rose's past that Garnet never knew and might even go against with what she knows? Story-wise, I'm liking where this is going.
The story Garnet told still hasn't changed the way I think about Rose Quartz. I think someone is lying to our faces. I personally believe that the truth is right in front of our faces but we just can't see it. I think we will get the truth soon :)
Maybe Garnet doesn't even know in which "pool" / timeline she is anymore. There for Sapphire saw Rose Quartz shattering Pink Diamond, but maybe it wasn't or Rose??
I think your taking everything garnet says at face value when everything else in the show suggests otherwise. Remember pearls line "when I served... homeworld" suggesting she served, she had an owner. Much like how roses origins don't add up in the timeline I think these episodes are supposed to make garnet out to be an unreliable narrator for Steven. And that rose is a lot more of a cold person than we are lead to believe.
H.C.Brown Exactly.
I think everything she said was red herrings, a clue given to mislead someone to a whole other theory like that Rose really did shatter Pink Diamond. Garnet is honestly the opposite of Ronaldo, instead dropping real clues that create mind boggling theories; she create doubt. We all know that Pink was shattered but Steven questioning that well makes us question rather it's true or not.
A far more interesting thought of mine comes from another episode, where Garnet begins to do things out of order and mess with future vision. I think she's saying what she thinks is best, trying to mend a timeline that Steven has wrecked so hard.
H.C.Brown peridot asked pearl who she belonged to anyone and she said nobody same with bismuth and jasper even said some LOST pearl. I just think everyone wants her to have some huge backstory like belonging to white diamond
Ophelia Waterfalls I think Pearl continues to hold a big secret about Rose and the Diamonds. It's just not clear how big or what it specifically is
I thought we already knew she was a common gem though . . . . There were so many Rose Quartz in pink diamonds room .
Fluorite was right all along...
what if Pearl was the mastermind behind the rebellion, and used RQ because no one would take a pearl seriously?
Meghan Dawson
I'd be shook af
*mind blown*
I think the rebellion was Rose's idea, but I think Pearl shattered Pink Diamond, and Rose willingly took the blame for some reason. And the only two people who knew were Rose, and Pearl. Pearl always looks like she's about to burst at the seams whenever it comes up. Especially after Steven turned himself in for the crime.
DAMN U WERE RIGHT
So much foreshadowing once you know the truth.
I was more wondering about Garnet's comment to Padparascha about an orange sapphire being very rare.
Makes sense. In real life, Padparadscha is a very rare peach or salmon variety of Sapphire that only comes from Ratnapura, Sri Lanka.
lol they were called off-colors
There has to be something going on. Pink Diamond punching the glass in Jungle Moon and the whole shatter is making me doubt that Pink Diamond is gone.
I took the pearl line to be more of a declaration than a comment about her status. As in, she was owned at one point, but defecting was her rebellious act of choice and therefore would be known as "the pearl without an owner" during the rebellion. Honestly, I want Pearl to have been the "Mother of Pearl(s)." That just seems so right for her. Head Honcho Pearl!
I think it’s pretty obvious that everything garnet said was crystal gem propaganda.
yea i thought it was a lie too. i think she is in fact pink diamond.
YOU PREDICTED THE FUTURE!
LOLOLOLOL
i really wanna make a youtube channel for my steven universe theories hehe
I have so many, but They can’t be canon now that it ended.
WELL YES
ROSE WAS
KINDA
MADE ON EARTH
/blows up due to tension because doesn't want to say more but wants to say more
Pink is from homeworld. Rose was born on Earth.
Honestly I’d love to learn more about her shield. It’s always been so weird to me that her shield could withstand the corruption song. We’ve seen how powerful all of the gems we’ve encountered so far are, and I feel like a corruption blast from THREE diamonds should dissolve the shield or something.
I don't think Rebecca Sugar and co. are all that concerned with relative power scale of diamonds vs other gems powers as opposed to telling a story and giving characters the ability to overcome what they need to be able to whether that be through their powers and their abilities or their capacity for caring for others
I'd agree with that, but I'm still curious :P The show has been pretty lore heavy recently, so it feels like something that needs to be wrapped up a bit when they touch more in-depth upon Rose's war arc. If they don't, it won't be the end of the world because as you say, there are more important emotional/character things going on, but it's something I've been wondering about for several seasons now.
Also her shield was able to fully block a shot from an era 2 ship canon that was fully charged. Thats insane.
Pink Diamond took her time making the roses.
Riku Silver I thought the corruption song was both sound and light, leaning that it wasn't a physical attack. If it wasn't physical, how could a shield protect from it? It's like holding an umbrella in a rock concert. You'll still get sound and light coming through. I thought Rose might bubble herself, but even that seems pretty ineffective.
It’s too bad that Rose gave up her form. I wonder what Steven’s life would be like with her in it.
After Last Nights episodes, ofcourse we now have the answer to who 'shattered' pd. But it now makes sense that in Pearl's hologram flashback when Rose says "we can never go home." She was most likely talking in Pd's POV, and since she created the illusion of Rose Quartz on earth, then it puts everything in place. Rose Quartz, leader of the rebellion, was made on earth.
Personal theory:
I think there is a slight chance that Pink was flawed and volatile. Meaning she was basically a ticking time bomb that was on a path to being shattered no matter what. Her gem wasn't well so it shattered on its own and Rose was just used as a cover up by White Diamond so people wouldn't find out about a Diamond being flawed.Rose took the opportunity to be feared by the other gems of homeworld and White to use Rose as an excuse to use the diamond attack that corrupted all gems on earth. It is a crackpot theory though
That moment when it turns out everything IS a lie in "A Single Pale Rose."
I have to give props-this video is the closest I’ve seen to somebody figuring out what actually happened.
I actually figured out what the deal with Rose, Pink, and the mystery woman was a few months ago and have been sitting on it to see if anybody else could pick up the same beat without interference from me. I’m still waiting to see if that happens, but I’m going to start letting people know that I have a theory in which I have about 90% confidence in.
I'm kind of getting tired of all the "mystery", but it's definitely not helping that the show goes on so many lengthy hiatuses...
Pearl belonged to no one because she claimed her own freedom. I believe she did previously belong to someone until she emancipated herself by joining Rose.
LMAO ROSE ISNT REAL THOUGH FLOURITE WAS RIGHT
We got to much information to quickly I was really surprised but I'm starting to think that this is another red herring
Ha...haha...ha...sure...that story is totally true...not like a new development happened or anything...
I've been suspicious of Rose since season 1. Idk why, but something just feels off about her.
ExactlyOneGrape Maybe the fact that she betrayed her own kind and that she took the life of many gems. Yet everyone praises her as gem Jesus. Like Greg said: Theres no such thing like a good war.
Not everyone. Just the people who followed her and understood what she fought for. The Diamonds and most of Homeworld view her as either a villain or some kind of bogeyman.
Sooo...
Hey Hailey, I had an interesting thought. In a later episode, we get Garnet trying to mess with her future vision, and confesses that Steven has messed with the predictability of the outcome really hard. I think what could be happening is Garnet white-lying of sorts, saying what's best for the timeline relative to the events that occurred. I wonder if this an extra protective move of her, as in that later episode she does break down about how she can't tell how the path will go down, implying she wants a predictable course of time and future such that they are guaranteed to win by all means necessary. Is that, in a sense, Garnet spreading some sort of implied propaganda to ensure that they can be safe or win the battle? Maybe this is why she has been purposefully vague, because her future vision told her Steven would possibly give up on the matter?
The episode A Single Pale Rose changes everything 😂
The corruption song part of the story not being stylized was likely because Garnet was there. It was her memory. That was at least true.
listening to this knowing that rose is pink diamond means that a lot of the theories stated in this video are fit right in a special slot
Re watching this and damn home world was her home
I think all gems are made with the idea and memory of homeworld and their gem cast already inside them because if not then they would have to be taught their place and their duty and that would wastes time for the diamonds and delay the construction of colonies
But then what about Amethyst who was born without any knowledge. If she were left in their even longer, then the idea of homeworld should also be with her.
demonheart13 that's true but I think her being overdone would have an effect on not only her size but her knowledge of homeworld and intelligence
demonheart13 She knows she's a fighter and that she doesn't belong, plus the kindergarten was destroyed. Who knows what effects that had on her
The Chubby Cynic - True she is overdone, but that seems to only affect her size, as she seemed mentally on par with all the other Amethysts in the kindergarten, and they also didn't seem particularly pro homeworld, willing to carelessly betray a higher up. I think, like our Amethyst, they also never saw homeworld, they were taken from earth straight to the kindergarden where they were almost bubbled like the Rose gems, but saved by blue diamond. If their allegiance was built into them, then they would be either super annoyed to be doing menial labor of babysitting organic life, which they sem happy to do, or they wouldn't have helped the gems at all. I mean the crystal gems shattered their "leader" and cost them their jobs as real soldiers, Eyeballs reaction would be completely understandable if (s)he were in their place.
So they also don't have real allegiance to homeworld, (possibly to blue diamond), they were probably just as confused as Amethyst when she first joined the gems and they are (mostly) properly created gems.
This is so much fun to watch after "A Single Pale Rose"
You're looking at the idea of how they see "home" as "Home World" off. I presume you are an American right? Or at the very least, from the former British Empire? In 1775, Britain was called "Mother England." Several Founding Fathers got the chance, before the Revolution, to go there and study prior to rebelling. Even during the British Empire, it was a big deal if an Indian, Nigerian, Jamaican, or Canadian got a chance to visit England for whatever reason. It was literally the "Mother" country. Earth is awesome, but their rebellion meant they could never go to the "Home" of Gems. It meant Gems on Earth would be separated from all other Gems. Imagine if American, after winning the Revolution, could never venture to Britain and would lose all contact with them. It was them not just formally severing ties with gems, but literal ties.
It's no way that Rose Quartz shattered and murdered Pink Diamond because, her sword only can poof and any parts of a body but, not powerful enough to shatter a gem.
cgGrizzlyB92HD and Rose was specifically opposed to shattering Gems. That' s why Bismuth was bubbled, right?
pop burnsy, I thought of it too.
I dont think she did it either but technicaly she could poof her and then crush her gem with her fist or something. I mean lapis was cracked by beeing stepped on. Its not that big of a stretch.
And Pink doesn't seem the type to so callously discard organic life anyways, having gone to the effort to create the Human Zoo and all, so her not being opposed to the Crystal Gem philosophy is pretty likely...
I heard the idea that PEARL destabilized and bubbled Pink Diamond. Whaddya think about that?
"Who does this belong to?"
"No one!"
I think Pearl knows herself as 'The Pearls that belongs to no one'.
I think garnet doesn't know the truth and pearl is the only one who knows the truth. Rose also stated that she didn't miss her home in we need to talk.
I think it's pretty clear Garnet was not around when Pink Diamond was shattered or for the origins of the Crystal Gems. This is probably just what she was told about much of it.
Pearl is very interesting. She's said she "served Homeworld" but how? Was she made for White Diamond but rejected? Owned for a bit, but then replaced and cast out with another, better, fancier pearl?
longtail4711 Maybe a spy for White Diamond? Why else would her clothes have both blue and yellow?
pop burnsy -- Ooo, that's a really neat idea! I guess it would depend on whether the Diamonds would trust a Pearl for something like that.
longtail4711 I think that's more a matter of what sort of Gem White Diamond is, seeing as Pearl (her gem is white too) would probably be working directly for her spying on Blue and Yellow... maybe sent on a mission to spy on Rose Quartz's early rebellion... Ooh... a spy falling for the person they're spying on, kinda cliché but not that out there, is it?
*Existential crisis intensifies*
y e s *sobs*
With the new episodes.. you were so close!!!! Crazy.
"The Pearl who belonged to no one" could just mean that pearl had already separated from her owner when Rose met her.
Lol, not only don’t I trust Garnet anymore, but I don’t think I trust Rebecca sugar😂😂😂 If she were to tell me that Pearl was never ever owned, I would squint my eyes and ask, “But, are you sure tho?” I think it makes more sense if Rose actually ate Pink Diamond, than Pearl never having a “master”. It would give Pearl a more compelling reason to rebel and fight for her freedom from home world. What, did she just lay eyes on Rose and said,”Dang pink mama, I’ll fight along with you as long as I can stare at dat thicc pink booty” 😭😭😭 (What did I just write?😂)
ARE YOU TAKING THE PISS?! Wait (remembers in the human zoo episode Steven's gem was scanned as the limb enhancers were giving him new clothes so his gem is now on file.).......uh oh.......
"Every rose has it's thorn" oh shoot, good point...
I can really only assume it is a fabrication, maybe make rose appeal more to the “common gem” by making her such
I think that the reason why most of the flashbacks are blacken out because it was not true or just a story garnet heard but the ones with color actually happened like rose saving pearl and garnet
Fluorite: Don't be silly, Rose Quarts isn't real.
Listen to your elders😂🌺🌹
Yes, everything about Rose Quartz was a lie
Maybe rose only has all of those healing abilities because she's a diamond
ayo
What we get from the episode (your mother and mine) ??
1- foreshadowing 💎
2- plot hole 😩
3- lars becoming more brave😳
I think we're gonna see White Diamond much sooner.
I really keep hearing this same thing, and I think people are taking the line "A pearl that belonged to no one" a bit too literally. I think what was done here, was, as time was short to summarize the whole rebellion, and we definitely are not going to hear Pearl's story second hand from Garnet...Her title was chopped into a simple blurb to symbolize Pearl and her spot in the rebellion; she is a Pearl, but she decided to belong to no one. Further, let's remember what was said about Bismuth just seconds prior; she was a Bismuth who crafted weapons for rebels instead of Towers for Tyrants....She did not start out that way either, but that was her place, her story, in the rebellion. I think people are misinterpreting this line about Pearl and blowing it a little out of proportion....We know she belonged to some one at some point, but she forged that spot for herself as ownerless when she rebelled, and she never looked back. Bismuth basically joked around with her on this exact line back in the Bismuth special. I definitely do not feel lied to about Pearl in this regard...
0:45 “All Jokes Aside”
It’s not a joke! It’s foreshadowing. It turns out that Rose was Pink Diamond. Pink just shape shifted into Rose. So technically, Rose isn’t real.
*hands you Pearl's phone*
I really enjoyed these episodes and I also suspected Rose. There's no way she was this "perfect" gem. Nothing's really perfect.
Isn't it possible someone disguised themselves as Rose Quartz then shattered Pink Diamond?
I knew it had spoilers yet I still watched. I don’t regret anything.
Sugar has said before that Revolutionary Girl Utena was inspirational in the creation of Steven Universe. Utena highly allegorical, and over the course of the series a lot of really distinct visual cues are established as symbols. One of the most prevalent visual cues used throughout Utena is a silhouetted style of animation that is strikingly close to the one used in these flashbacks. In Utena these scenes represent a version of the truth that is idealized to the point of being warped beyond recognition. One of the biggest underlying themes in Utena is that reality almost never lives up to the legends it inspires, but also that these false realities we construct hold us back. Maybe Steven Universe is mirroring this theme. If so, I think we're in for a lot more reveals about Rose Quartz.
Take it all with a grain of salt, plus it is a cartoon in the end.
Garnet most likely told it as best she knew. Rose kept many secrets, like about bubbling Bismuth as one heavy example; what exactly became of Pink Diamond would be a second. The stuff about Earth setting gems free: figurative inspiration.
The question of how long Amethyst was cooking is up in the air now as well,
On another note the Famethyst being the way they are is most likely a result of them having been around Rose for however many years.
I think the zoo is a good thought! As the clip in the "flashback" when garnet said "love" and it showed Rose and a human it looked like one human from the zoo!
Poor Rose getting torn to shreds by these theorists (looking at you, AJ Universe!)
Alley Oliver Well comon, this episode was a huge red herring.
Oh, I completely agree with these theories. Just find it ironic that the essentially same theory came out of two places so close together!
Alley Oliver Yeah, I get you.
Slice of otaku as well
Does anyone else feel like when Rose went dark, that it was just Steven's worry and fears about how bad Rose could be? Or do you think it's more than that?
I love the newest episodes so much
I wonder if what we learned in the episode was two-thirds of a whole story. The Crystal Gems version and the Homeworlds version. There could still be another view to this story from Rose's/Steven's own perspective. We get the view of two groups looking in but not a version from someone looking out. I still like to believe that Pink started to feel about the Earth like Rose did and somehow worked against the other 3 Diamonds to save the Earth.
Pearl has to be the key to whatever the real big secret is with Rose and the Diamonds. That and potentially Greg...
for Pearl, I clearly remember she told Steven in the episode "Gemcation"
"back in the days, when i was still serving.... erm... in homeworld..."
plus the whole timeline seems doubtful.
how did Garnet know about Rose's past?
didn't that ruby and sapphire still served Blue and Yellow Diamond that time?
and why Rose went to home world and attempted to attack blue diamond's colony, and caused Ruby and Sapphire fused?
For me, I think Pearl served white diamond, and for some reason she had assigned to served Pink Diamond instead (maybe Pink begged White Diamond like how she begged Yellow to have her own Pearl, but she specifically want the Pearl that we knew).
I think this would make more sense that this is how Pearl and Rose met.
And Pink Diamond on the other hand, I think she had already been shattered, but she is still alive, but she can't reform, due to her gem had shattered, left over her mind like a spirits, because this might be Pink's ability.
look, Rose is just a Quartz but she can do a lot things like healing, recovery, floating and resurrection...
Pink is her own Diamond, I believe Pink can do even more of this kinda stuffs than Rose.
i come from the future after the events of a single pale rose and i can tell you the title is right on its own.
Rose quartz did not actually existed XD
Eeeeeee garnet was WROOOOOOONG
This was a great vid addressing the episode Thanks for all the hard work 👌🏻
i feel like its a bed time story version of rose past we were told this episode,i think there a more grim tails version we have yet to see
Hey, at least we now know that the inconsisten gem on Fluorite's forehead is not a Rose Quartz
Well, now it makes sense
I think when garnet said “a pearl who didn’t belong to anybody” she meant that that was her new identity, after the rebellion started. Like when they said “a bismuth who built weapons instead of buildings” and the whole part about garnet being a fusion of love
The Earth is special because it has a smart creatures like humans who use fire and have technology like they are
Did anyone else think of pearl's song "It's over isn't it" the second verse is literally "war and glory, reinvention; fusion freedoom, her attention" like its right there, what she and "rose" did
My 'minitheory' to explain that 'our home' thing away is that all gems, no matter where they are created, view homeworld as their home simply because 'that is how it is' there are several real life comparisons. Home is not where they were born, its where they see themselves as being the closest too. Gems are told that homeworld is the center of gem-kind, the center of gem-culture, etc.
The thing haunting me is how Rose gave birth to Steven even tho Amethyst said that "gems arent born they're made" so i am confusion!!!??? >×
Great video, and for those who haven’t seen them already please go watch the episodes “Can’t Go Back”, & “A Single Pale Rose”. You’re questions will be answered there.
I feel like yellow has to be hiding something from blue
I am pretty sure the statement "a pearl who belongs to no one" was talking about her state in the crystal gems and not before it since it was immediately followed with "and a fusion made for love"
It seemed more like a sound off of warriors and what now makes them unique, rather than their dull past.
If it was talking about their past before they got drove to the crystal gems, it would have said a simple ruby soldier and a sapphire ruled by blue diamond
I was thinking that the title "The Pearl That Belonged to No One" was more of a play on what Bismuth said. Pearl took her freedom, deeming that she belonged to nobody. Meaning, she had before
Pearl was Pink's Pearl? Maybe that is how she got to earth? But if she were pink's Pearl, Why is she not Pink? SOO MANY QUESTIONS!!
I don't see why Garnet would lie about it, they better not be trying to turn her into a bad gal. Also, wasn't Garnet there with Rose way back then? What I'm thinking is that maybe the portion where the art style changed is the parts she may have been TOLD, but then the one scene with the laser was what she knows actually happened? Idk I really didn't think much about this until this video.
Platinum Warpstar We don't know when Pink Diamond was shattered. We only know the year that Sapphire and Ruby first fused as Garnet, and presumably joined Rose and Pearl not long after. There are reasons to believe this was fairly early in the rebellion, but it's by no means confirmed.
baraxor It was probably halfwayish through the war that Garnet joined in my opinion. Things had gotten bad enough that Blue was involved at that point. I would guess the shattering happened at the end and was an act of desperation by a losing Rose.
Garnet didn't lie. This was just what Rose told her. But Rose had her secrets after all. Rose told Garnet and the gang that Bismuth was lost in the battle against Homeworld. I think the only one with any real answers about the shattering is Pearl.
Platinum Warpstar I think it’s more so that she doesn’t know the whole truth. She probably only knows what she’s been told or made to believe. I’m not sure how they would have gotten around her future vision (maybe the shattering was in one of those pools of improbability where her future vision was null and void) but it’s obvious someone isn’t telling the truth if Garnet thinks Rose shattered Pink with her sword.
triffin55
Shoot-what if the secret that prevents Pearl from speaking is actually one that she cannot reveal as “Rose’s confidante”?
As far as Homeworld gems go, home isn't where you're made; It's where you belong. I'm sure that Rose only referred to it as home because it was early in the rebellion and she was speaking to Pearl who may actually be from Homeworld.
ROSE IS PINK DIAMOND
As I recall Pearl and Garnet isn't born from Earth :O
Rose is pink diamond. I’m still fucking shook
Turns out rose quartz actually isn't real lol
I do not know why there are a lot of people calling Rose (Pink) the villain of the story? If it were not for her the Earth would have been colonized and humanity destroyed. She lied is true but she always fought for the right reasons, never broke other gems and it was she who helped Ruby and Sapphire. Her mistake was not to predict that the Diamonds would retaliate like that.
I think I missed something: did the diamonds corrupt all of the crystal gems?
I dont even know anymore
That was totally what i was thinking. Ive even commented as much a few times in a few videos.
Although in my theory, the diamonds unintentionally corrupted pink. With the song. White diamond knows, which was why the earth was left alone for so long, and white was absent until now
we've known since season 2 that Rose was an Earth Gem. In when it rains, Peridot says to Steven: "You're some kind of quartz right? You must have been made here." (They are in the prime Kindergarten at the time.) As far as we know, all Qartz are Earth born Gems.