When I got to Musicians Institute in fall of 88, to start classes in B.I.T. (the bass division of the school) I got up on the big stage my first week there and performed in a class called "Rock Performance" and Tim was the teacher for that class. I was a power trio bass player and everyone told me to seek him out because that was the teacher I played the most like. I took an immediate liking to Tim because he was a MONSTER of a bass player. I told him after class that first day, "I want to apologize in advance because I'm going to be like gum on your shoe for the next year. You aint getting rid of me." And he replied, "Well that's why I'm here. I'm not here to hold anything back. I've already had my "Big Days" (What he always called his time as a rock star with The Fudge, BBA and Cactus.) so I'm not keeping anything back. I will teach you as much as you can handle. Now that is super sweet to begin with but here was what he did that was even sweeter; You see every student gets one of the teachers for their private instructor, that you spend several hours a week one on one with. And it is supposed to be absolutely random. They told me my chances of getting Tim as my instructor were pretty slim because of how many instructors there were. Well, I drew Tim and from the smile he gave me when I asked if he pulled any strings for me, he indeed did make sure I got him. And as I sit here I'm choking back tears. Tears of joy that I got to know the man and tears of grief for missing my old friend and teacher. I kept in touch with him on Facebook for the last several years of his career and life. Nothing intimate, just occasional chatting. Always wished him a happy birthday and was so flattered that he remembered me. Tim wasn't just a great bass player and singer. He wasn't just a great teacher and believe me HE WAS a GREAT TEACHER. But first and foremost, Timmy was a gentleman through and through and I loved him dearly, as only a student can feel for his best teacher. RIP Tim. You were well loved by everyone's life you ever touched. And you touched the lives of thousands of us students during your tenure at the school.
Thx for sharing your personal experience. And to be able to attend BIT (which was not inexpensive!) coming from a power trio background. By acknowledging him on Facebook in the years after in the way you did, was also a class act.
That’s a great story I’m a big vanilla fudge and cactus fan . My band member is a friend of Carmine so I’ve met him a few times . Tim was a awesome bass player
Hi, this is Veda Bogert, Tim's wife. I had not heard this before and it's fantastic! Thanks so much for posting. Also thanks to everyone for the kind thoughts. Miss Tim terribly.
Always brings back wonderful memories. Being produced by Felix as the Vagrants, Les and I were mesmerized by Cream at the Village Theater (pre Fillmore East). Our musical lives were changed forever.
Thanks for that, about the Village Theater. Felix brought out the best, Bruce bass mix on the Live Cream album releases with Tom Dowd and Halverson. That bass seems to have been suppressed in later remasters and re-mixes. I can only imagine how it sounded to you at the Village Theater Sept. 23rd, 1967. Very appropriate that your brother could do his own take on Crossroads -blending in with Tim.
Tim Bogert was one of the most outrageous, percussive, ripping bassists in rock. If you haven't heard it, listen to Beck, Bogert & Appice Live (from Japan). He just tears that bass apart, yet is never in the way and provides the ultimate rhythmic and harmonic platform for the music. Gosh he was great.
You apparently heard it through headphones? LOL! It's insanely busy-and stark-spot on time with the punishing drummer AND in a style that is fresh -and yet, true to Jack Bruce's ideas and punches throughout. Splendid harmony and a tour de force.
I really like this version with Tim Bogert and Leslie West. It takes a lot of guts to cover the Cream "Wheels of Fire" rendition of Crossroads, the best rock performance ever.
You're Leslie West's brother? Another one of my heroes, I saw Mountain twice in Massachusetts during the early 1970's. Your brother is missed, I'm a bass player too. Leslie was a monster.
cactus played a rock festival in Indianapolis early 70's I stood on stage behind his amps the whole show , awesome , was there with skidrow but that's another story
Play this again but set the playback speed to 75% in the UA-cam setting for some serious heaviness !!! :D Yes, 75% is a little over the top but so is the original speed in the other direction?
I'd agree, I just had more Jack than Tim. CR Live by Cream and especially Jack's insane bass of 1968 got me INTO bass from cello. So we all owe alot to the Bruce version. I find it interesting that neither Eric or Jack would revisit that intensity or tempo- in all their live versions. I saw Jack live 4x and took vids and even recorded sound. Then Tim comes along with this 6 string bass. And with Leslie, close friend of Jack, of course-the latter gifting the Fender IV Cream bass to Leslie.
@@riffdigger2133 Cream, Mountain, West, Bruce and Laing. Only original members left of those 3 crews are Clapton and Laing. The rest are waiting for those 2 to hurry up and join them!! Although Pete Brown might just get there before they do!
Tyrone, thank you for the question. It made me go look for the misplaced CD and check the liner notes for Crossroads. It is indeed, Leslie on vocals and lead guitar. Mike Onesko is listed on the album as Rhythm Guitar except as noted. Mike could be very well be playing behind Leslie's solo, but I doubt it. I could ask Mike next time I see him.
@@riffdigger2133 Thanks for the reply. The credits on the clip only mention 3 players, but clearly there is a guitar being played behind West's lead. So that's wrong. I know West's voice, and that ain't it.
@@tyroneshoelace4872 You have my interest. I will ask Mike. He produced it, played on all the tracks. That will confirm it either way. I have his current blues projects. He is very active on Facebook. Thx for your inquiry. I will follow up.
@@DogTrekker I've been to a lot of concerts seen many great guitar players and yes Leslie West smoked Eric Clapton killer tones and vibrato do you even play guitar?
When I got to Musicians Institute in fall of 88, to start classes in B.I.T. (the bass division of the school) I got up on the big stage my first week there and performed in a class called "Rock Performance" and Tim was the teacher for that class. I was a power trio bass player and everyone told me to seek him out because that was the teacher I played the most like. I took an immediate liking to Tim because he was a MONSTER of a bass player.
I told him after class that first day, "I want to apologize in advance because I'm going to be like gum on your shoe for the next year. You aint getting rid of me." And he replied, "Well that's why I'm here. I'm not here to hold anything back. I've already had my "Big Days" (What he always called his time as a rock star with The Fudge, BBA and Cactus.) so I'm not keeping anything back. I will teach you as much as you can handle.
Now that is super sweet to begin with but here was what he did that was even sweeter; You see every student gets one of the teachers for their private instructor, that you spend several hours a week one on one with. And it is supposed to be absolutely random. They told me my chances of getting Tim as my instructor were pretty slim because of how many instructors there were.
Well, I drew Tim and from the smile he gave me when I asked if he pulled any strings for me, he indeed did make sure I got him. And as I sit here I'm choking back tears. Tears of joy that I got to know the man and tears of grief for missing my old friend and teacher. I kept in touch with him on Facebook for the last several years of his career and life. Nothing intimate, just occasional chatting. Always wished him a happy birthday and was so flattered that he remembered me.
Tim wasn't just a great bass player and singer. He wasn't just a great teacher and believe me HE WAS a GREAT TEACHER. But first and foremost, Timmy was a gentleman through and through and I loved him dearly, as only a student can feel for his best teacher.
RIP Tim. You were well loved by everyone's life you ever touched. And you touched the lives of thousands of us students during your tenure at the school.
Thx for sharing your personal experience. And to be able to attend BIT (which was not inexpensive!) coming from a power trio background. By acknowledging him on Facebook in the years after in the way you did, was also a class act.
That’s a great story I’m a big vanilla fudge and cactus fan . My band member is a friend of Carmine so I’ve met him a few times . Tim was a awesome bass player
Hi, this is Veda Bogert, Tim's wife. I had not heard this before and it's fantastic! Thanks so much for posting. Also thanks to everyone for the kind thoughts. Miss Tim terribly.
RIP Tim Bogert and Leslie West
Always brings back wonderful memories. Being produced by Felix as the Vagrants, Les and I were mesmerized by Cream at the Village Theater (pre Fillmore East). Our musical lives were changed forever.
Thanks for that, about the Village Theater. Felix brought out the best, Bruce bass mix on the Live Cream album releases with Tom Dowd and Halverson. That bass seems to have been suppressed in later remasters and re-mixes. I can only imagine how it sounded to you at the Village Theater Sept. 23rd, 1967. Very appropriate that your brother could do his own take on Crossroads -blending in with Tim.
Tim Bogart ,one of the greatest rock bassists ever, one of my top ten bass playing heroes.
And always forgotten when they compile the “greatest” bass players of all time lists.
@@tonyvincent9753 Cause they don't understand.. in the list are much much poorer bassists than Tim..
Yes he belongs at the dinner table with the likes of J.Bruce, Felix P. John E. all RIP
@@411LED Yep.
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Tim Bogert was one of the most outrageous, percussive, ripping bassists in rock. If you haven't heard it, listen to Beck, Bogert & Appice Live (from Japan). He just tears that bass apart, yet is never in the way and provides the ultimate rhythmic and harmonic platform for the music. Gosh he was great.
Tim was my teacher at MI Musicians Institute of LA. Amazing musician and great guy!
Tim Bogert truly one of the great bassists of 60s-70s rock!....
Tim was a great bass player. A real bass player.
Rock In Peace Leslie and Tim
what a bass sound!
You apparently heard it through headphones? LOL!
It's insanely busy-and stark-spot on time with the punishing drummer AND in a style that is fresh -and yet, true to Jack Bruce's ideas and punches throughout. Splendid harmony and a tour de force.
Riff Digger yes, with headphones, great upload, i came here searching for top 100 bassists.
I got to jam with him at the Kandy bar night club when I was 19 years old. Great musician and nice guy
Thx for commenting on your experience. Lucky you!
Tim was a warrior with the bass...
Great bass player.......
I really like this version with Tim Bogert and Leslie West. It takes a lot of guts to cover the Cream "Wheels of Fire" rendition of Crossroads, the best rock performance ever.
My hero too...
If not for Leslie's vocal I would've totally accepted this as Live Cream.
Timmy ..... RIP brother
Tim was a fellow bassist and friendly competitor. His talent was impossible not to notice. R.I.P. Tim
You're Leslie West's brother? Another one of my heroes, I saw Mountain twice in Massachusetts during the early 1970's. Your brother is missed, I'm a bass player too. Leslie was a monster.
cactus played a rock festival in Indianapolis early 70's I stood on stage behind his amps the whole show , awesome , was there with skidrow but that's another story
saw tim with vanilla fudge at university of miami in 69,played a solo for about fifteen non stop driving minutes
15 minutes? That’s incredible. Thx
RIP Tim
Awesome!
Great sound cheers
Smoking version! Legend’s
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awesome, who were the other musicians(drummer)
Play this again but set the playback speed to 75% in the UA-cam setting for some serious heaviness !!! :D
Yes, 75% is a little over the top but so is the original speed in the other direction?
I like Jack Bruce -- I even interviewed him back in the 90s. But, way too many J.B. solo photos, here!
I'd agree, I just had more Jack than Tim. CR Live by Cream and especially Jack's insane bass of 1968 got me INTO bass from cello. So we all owe alot to the Bruce version. I find it interesting that neither Eric or Jack would revisit that intensity or tempo- in all their live versions. I saw Jack live 4x and took vids and even recorded sound. Then Tim comes along with this 6 string bass. And with Leslie, close friend of Jack, of course-the latter gifting the Fender IV Cream bass to Leslie.
@@riffdigger2133 Cream, Mountain, West, Bruce and Laing. Only original members left of those 3 crews are Clapton and Laing. The rest are waiting for those 2 to hurry up and join them!! Although Pete Brown might just get there before they do!
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Not even close to the Cream version....
Something is not right. West is not singing, and there is more than one guitar player.
Tyrone, thank you for the question. It made me go look for the misplaced CD and check the liner notes for Crossroads. It is indeed, Leslie on vocals and lead guitar. Mike Onesko is listed on the album as Rhythm Guitar except as noted. Mike could be very well be playing behind Leslie's solo, but I doubt it. I could ask Mike next time I see him.
@@riffdigger2133 Thanks for the reply. The credits on the clip only mention 3 players, but clearly there is a guitar being played behind West's lead. So that's wrong. I know West's voice, and that ain't it.
@@tyroneshoelace4872 You have my interest. I will ask Mike. He produced it, played on all the tracks. That will confirm it either way. I have his current blues projects. He is very active on Facebook. Thx for your inquiry. I will follow up.
@@riffdigger2133 👍
O yea, that's Leslie's voice for sure.
Killer version of this song Leslie West smoked Eric Clapton on this
Haha😂 perhaps
Hardly.
@@DogTrekker I've been to a lot of concerts seen many great guitar players and yes Leslie West smoked Eric Clapton killer tones and vibrato do you even play guitar?
@@alanlatimer1024 You're entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine.
@@DogTrekker yes that's true but you didn't answer if you play guitar?