"SEKRIT" engagement between Chinese and Russian tanks
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Many like to compare Russian and Chinese tanks, where Russian tanks usually get favoured over Chinese since the latter are usually claimed to be a copy of Russian tanks, which isnt entirely true. But a lot of people dont know that Russian and Chinese tanks actually fought against each other where the Chinese vehicles came out victorious. In this video we will take a look at a small conflict with an unusual outcome.
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Can you make the bests Russian tanks (T90AM, T72B3 2016,T14 Armata) vs the bests tanks for China?
Awesome video! More like this please!
Why in the add those player can run on openfield and barelly getting spotted or hit?
Any way you can get deals for subscribers who are already War Thunder players? I know WOT and War Thunder are always drumming for new players but a lot of people already are players and follow your channel closely because they have a genuine interest in Tanks. Not sure I can say the same about people who are not already War Thunder players.
Im vote russian tank
When you get uptiered.........
I feel your pain
Every. Single. Time
Cries in Tiger 1 at 6.7
ironically in-game T72AV has a slightly higher BR than the Type96, which is the successor to the Type85.
Uptiered vs the Chinese premium squad.
>their crew was trained up to ukrainian standards
I dont think you want crews trained to 2005 ukraine standards
Better subpar training than none at all I guess?
@@lucysky1199 Its comparing a shit and a shit sandwich. Both are bad options.
Ukraine was a soviet nation so it was not catastrophic at all...
@@massimechoub3343 this was 15 years post soviet, and they had no money
Considering they did manage to gain initial victories, I don't think the South Sudanese crew were "that" bad
S. Sudan didn't have enough RP or SL to research 3BM22 or 3BM29. Probably got cocky about the Type 55's and thought they could treat a new upgrade the same way.
Seems more like a training problem then it is an equipment one.
yes yeess!!!!!!!!!!!!!
s sudan didnt buy the ru251 on sale and now has to take a fat L grinding SL without a premium
As a sudanese i approve to that xD
they forgot to buy the t55am1 on sale xD
all the noobs had to do was use the map effectively and shoot the LFP on those Chinese tanks but no they finally finish research on a new MBT and they head out like headless chickens
I really want to see red effect playing war thunder
He wouldn’t be able to handle it psychologically
And by that i mean the fuckery of Gaijioobles and the game mechanics
@@smogdanoff7053 yea war thunder is kinda triggering sometimes
@@triatheraider1612 Kinda??? More like "almost every time"
@@_hoaxx Yes.
Might be because I'm a noob, constantly dying because every 1st shell I recieve kills my gunner feels infuriating.
Stick to ww2 vehicles, moving on is only pain. SPECIALLY WW2 VEHICLES FACING MODERN HEAT ROUNDS.
Last time I was this early, RedEffect and Alpha defence were still having a feud.
Blue Effect lmao
@@avid459 Alpha Defence =/= Alpha Defense
@@ignorantethan656 what?
@@dimes7742 alpha defense idiot created a channel to personally attack red effect, i'm sure red doesn't give a fuck
Both of them need to get a real job and a life
in addition to the fact that T72A is an older model , it also was not new tanks taken from the reserve , how long they served before and how long they later stood in storage , considering that Ukraineit never made this type it is not clear how repair was made and it is difficult to say in what condition they were passed especially for barrel wear .
T85 also is a older model
@B J Yes, type 85 is also old. But compared to T72, as he said, it's more than a decade newer.
@B J Ukrainian can’t produce t72. They sold tanks that were close to end of its life already. Basically very heavily used vehicles. Overall type 85 is way far forward from t72av
My mans maybe a video on the TRUE worst Nato tank. The Tr-85M1 from Romania
The worst? Laughs in ariete xD
@@slavarodu5062 yes, the worst. I mean protection is obsolete. Firepower is horrendous. Mobility is shit, fuel consumption is bad. Availability is laughable, if I'm not mistaken no thermal or panoramic sight
@Drayn 99 if you can tell me the designations. Like T-72 ural, T-72A, T-72M/M1 T-72B. Then I can tell you. They are most likely M's or M1's which aren't that good. A tank from the 70' to 80' is pretty much obsolete.
Worst NATO MBT, maybe. Still one of the top performing T-55 variants around tho, along with that one cursed Ukrainian attempt to shoehorn T-80U parts into a T-55A.
@Drayn 99 ok so basically imagine a m1 with possibly better mobility and FCS(fire control system) I believe that it has a better rangefinder. Other than that I'm oblivious to the m2 variant :/
1:59 lmao look at Crimea
He forgot about Donetsk and Lugansk republics
@@pawEHO its not the same, thats more of a Transnistrian-type frozen conflict, unrecognized even by Russia itself.
¯\_( ツ)_/¯
He dont want to get burned by angry ukrop or russian, better make that weird statement to make it neutral
As much as Crimea was always in Russian (waaay before Soviets) borders and should stay Russian land this looked like Russia got so weak influence out there all-around so that they had to use the military argument. While they were the ones that gave Crimea to Ukraine. Weak move - acting like an ass. Donetsk and Lugansk - Jesusless, what they were thinking about? Seriously? The whole Ukraine got beaten by two its regions and Putin says:
"What? When? 2 days ago? Are they really fighting for their independence? Interesting, who knew huh?" - and this piece of horse shit went off into the air as official Russian govs statement XD
And this Specnaz guy - "We are from Russia and we fight with Ukraine. Locals don't give two fucks anymore. They want peace and they say both sides act unmatured way."
Wester press - "O reely?!"
Type 99 would be nice to see in the future
They wouldn t export it anytime soon
@@zhaviator I think he is referring to the game.
@ғєαʀʟєss. exe well... VT4 is an upgraded MBT2000 with some tech from type 99, and MBT2000 itself is developed from the type 90. They are connected for sure, but I wouldn't say that VT4 is the export version of type 99
@ғєαʀʟєss. exe Kek, look whose here. But I can't blame you, I'm a War Thunder fan myself.
@ғєαʀʟєss. exe they added the ztz 99 to wt and it isnt that strong, its not even on the highest br
Little story, South Sudanese Civil War also know as test grand for "which shcoll is better" for PLA Command Academy.
Joint Operations College of the National Defense University VS National Defense University, Shi Jia Zhuang VS Bei Jing.
We are really interested in the results.
You have any reports we can also read ?
@@Hakasnakeman212 If you can read Chinese
@@Hakasnakeman212 We trained officers and soldiers on both sides of them
This is why T-34 tanks perform better ingame than historically due to mouse aim and gameplay UI, equalising tank crew training and optics amongst its opponents. Once you have better fire control and situational awareness, it makes a big difference.
Not to mention Stalinium which magically works ingame while historically they tend to crack
It also helps that Germany Mains are braindead 90% of the time
@@joshjonson2368 Honestly? The T-34 is not as insufferable as the Cast Hull Sherman or the Panzer IV. The former being able to bounce shots from Tiger I's and Panthers like it's the IRS when asked to explain it's budget usage and the latter being able to shatter shells that touch it's armor.
I’ve always been a fan of the T-72s, T-80s and T-90s because of their looks and also how agile they are.
Reverse speed lmao
@@sini0071 it is agile for the time way faster than the M60 and the T95E1, also its much smaller and harder to hit
I’m waiting for VT-4 MBT video
Thatd be awsome.
Hunter6213 yes that’s right, 1500 Hp And 300 in number
@@shanewatson2670 and fy4 armour
On tank to tank engagement, One has to consider the experience and skills of the crew, the stratedy employed and the available technology present.
"trained to Ukrainian standards" kinda laughed
Arthur Morgan cause Ukraine’s army standards are kinda shit tbh with you
@@puffypegion7815 how do you know?
texx1985 look at their military and all the things they have done since the collapse of the Soviet Union
texx1985 not that I hate Ukraine or anything
texx1985 because their military was disorganized and horrible back in 2005
Americans: sold arms to both the Brits and Nazis and made a lot of money.
Chinese: sold arms to both Sudan and South Sudan and made a lot of money.
Americans: my young padawan has learned well from the dark side.
China learn everyone
I bet Ukraine wished it didn’t sell those T-72AVs it had now.
Well they couldn’t keep every single tank they have from USSR so they had to sell some ( maybe they sold too many )
@@mbtenjoyer9487 nah they can turn the non-operable ones into spare parts
I sexually identify as a main battle tank
Me as tank destroyer...
I’m a 185mm demolition charge projector !
I am a strong independent black Abrams who don't need no infantry support.
I’m a dying breed of medium tanks
They call me Ballistic missile
Any possibility you'd do more ifv videos in the near future like warrior, bradley etc. I really enjoyed the previous ifv vids
Hi, your videos are so well made and presented. Well done and keep up the great work :)
Bro,do the TR-85 M1 next
You are from romania no?
trash can
They also have the TR 125 aswell
@@Jump-Shack copy of t72?
Yep
well there's a reason T-72s are dirt cheap
No they are not
@@lordgrey3749 sure they are, 150-250k euros is peanuts for a main battle tank; ex-USSR countries including Russia may even give few dozens for free if you pay for refurbishment and transport.
@@Mandrak789 no t72 cost 200k euro let alone 150k
@@lordgrey3749 Even a civilian can buy them for that money. Although disabled (i dont remember if it is done before or after you receive the tank, depends on your countrys laws I quess.)
Welp I've seen some for cheaper, but this one is in pristine condition.
mortarinvestments.eu/catalog/onStock/like-new-t-72
Pakistan just bought 300 VT-4 from China. Pakistan VT-4s also have better configurations than Thailand version, such as FY4. Would be an interesting topic in my opinion.
Yup, the Pakistans' Vt4s also came with new rounds that brings higher penetration
Excellent video, great information, thanks for your time and work
I dont know , The looks of Kontakt-1 on the Tanks is just ... magnificent , love them ! (T-72AV/B T-80BV and T-64BV) :)
Again perfect video , RedEdfect :)
Never heard of this before. Thanks for the video 🙏
Can you either review the Al zarrar or the VT4?
VT4 and its associated series please!
You often mention T-55 and Type 69 etc in your videos.. Could you make a video on these and the main variants which were the best and how they performed?
Nice
Wow, I'm early! Also, what did China do to make Russia angry, eh? Just Kidding.
Faqers
China didn't support Soviet sovereignty in East Europe and Warsaw Pact, meanwhile collaborated with France
Mao thought he was the ideological successor to Stalin.
Russia forgot that it was one of the Eight Nation Alliance countries that wanted to calve up China, and raped Northern China as well. But past is past and the current relationship is good
@@werrkowalski2985 In which case he is if you go ask the Polish
Love this video can we see more about battles such as this
Thank you very much for the video, I've always wanted to know something about tanks on both sides of Sudan's civil war.
If we need entertaining i suggest do Type 59D1 (Chinese) vs Arjun
T-34(Chinese variant) VS Arjun?
@@lolasdm6959 sherman would be more apple to apple
hey, ive finally found ur channel again
Thank you for the research.
In WW2 it happened that "inferior" tanks could take out a larger number of "superior" tanks. Simply by a tacticaly outmaneuvering of the enemy, superiour battlefield awarness by one side, Ambush, better crew, .....
The T72 was built as a easy to mass-produce cheap tank. It was not ment to be the best of the best of Soviet engineering .
The best of the best at that era would be the T64s
@@shermanfirefly5410 I think the T64 was ment as a high end tank for elite troops. The T72 was ment more like the T54/55 or T34. A simple easy to mass produce tank.
Ironically, the T-72 became superior to the T-64 thanks to constant upgrades.
Very well done. Thank you.
hi Readeffect, would u like to make a episode about tank biathlon?
yes thats wt i was asking too in the previous video
yes
Whenever Russian weapons are defeated , it's definitely not the vehicle's fault.
It's either "downgraded" version or crew went for "lunch " or crew is not properly 'trained" .
They will never accept that the said weapon is thoroughly inferior . Case and point : recent pantsir in Syria
Funnily enough, when the abrams performed poorly in saudi use, it was blamed on the export abrams not having depleted uranium armor like the US ones.
@@sengwesetogile6054 but with Russian equipment, it fails even when Russians were using it . It's not like that with US equipment
@@sengwesetogile6054 there's no uranium in any M1's armor, Chobham armor is a sandwich out of steel, ceramic and composite.
Nice reviews and I just subbed too.
"1930's to 1990's" *gaijin be like* LETS ADD A 2010 TANK
3:51 you can see a dent on the right (our left) side turret cheek
Hello i am trying to find some info on the scope reticle for the ZTZ-96 but i can't find anything, could you help me with that? trying to add the custom sight into WT :b
Since you also do IFVs, when are you gonna do the LAV family of 8x8? :3
Hey redeffect can you do a video about the Australian Abrams thanks and show how obsolete they are
Hey Redeffect, can you make a video about the type 99 and type 99a?
he made one already about....... a year ago?
@@kevinkuang2292 He did but it wasn't in great detail, it was only a little bit about every chinese tank
@@enter_username1312 He said a lot of information is classified and not available. Since its their latest tank a lot of information is not released.
@098765 Craper Yup.
Dang that's unfortunate
That is very technical analysis. War is a lot more complex than comparing which vehicle is better in a vacuum. Neither those capabilities which you had mentioned are of any use. Thermal imaging, fire control systems. These things are useless outside of specific types of engagements. What matters is how you employ said tank. In war, there were many aces who had performed far better than your average commander. Yet, we do not value performance of a vehicle based on performance of a commander. Nor we consider a Sherman tank to be superior machine just because it decimated German armor during one several battles during WW2.
i would also like to note that the south sudenese are more tribal minded, meaning that there were a lot of rivalries within their ranks, which is pretty much why, with the common enemy (the arab northerners) out of the picture, they started infighting again, mostly over natural resources and government controll itself
hell the entire reason they split off from sudan was because the sudanese government were arab muslims and south sudan was mostly nilotic and either christian or following traditional faiths
@@treyebillups8602
Nope that’s the excuse for not Muslims..it’s always the natural resource and the western support that south to get the resources
Hiya with mounting tension between India and China is it possible for you to make a vid comparing both their MBTs? I heard that some of their tanks cannot be used if war were to break out due to the terrain and height. Thanks
I think that's why they built type15 LOL
Type96 = M1A1 at gulf war sounds reasonable, considering Type 96 went into service many years after the gulf war.
can you make a video on the Type-15 light tank?
已经出了
>Ukrainian standards
>Ukrainian army which was surrounded 7 times during active war phase in Donbass
It happened twice and they got surrounded by the Russian army which invaded Ukraine from Russian territory. I am not Ukrainian tho, but I always stand with the truth.
Ultimately ukraine belarus and kazakstan will return to Russia.
@@JASHVEER22 learn some basic history and you will know that these countries were never Russia.
@@tusk9132 Russian empire???
@@kastelukannumollom5289 so they were part of the empire but that doesn't make them russian. By your name I suppose that you're from Finland, which used to be a part of the empire, does that make you russian now? :)
Ammunition budgetary expenditure is a critical factor with Mbts I feel. If you go cheap & buy older munitions then you have handicapped your offensive performances.
One thing you completely leave out is that the south Sudanese army bought A handful of early production model T 72s due to the fact that most of the army your ex rebels and have no training in armored warfare other than using highly mechanized technicals with ZPU guns. Also given the fact the Sudan has a long military relationship with the Chinese bus as a result many of the tankers have higher experience operating heavy armor compared to the south Sudanese who are mostly skilled and guerrilla warfare many of the south Sudanese soldiers were able to knock out Chinese made tanks through the same guerrilla tactics that help them defeat the Sudanese state during their 30 to 40 year guerrilla war
@B J wow,that is a win-win
It’s not surprise at all. Basically T-72AB it’s just T-72 with K1 era. Type 85 more comparable to T-72Б or more modern versions
hey could you do a video on the M1A2C and your opinions it?
According to what I heard people talking, it is quite normal, *for a Western military to look down Asian one* , unless that Asian nation is aligned with Western interest. They think that there is no way Asian military and Asian produced weaponry is equal or superior compare to Western one.
*Until the Imperial Japanese military and Chinese People Volunteer Army prove otherwise that yes, they can stand up against Western military.*
we are already in year 2016 with vehicles in WarThunder ' - '
What ammo were either side using?
More of this!
Can u make a video on the MGCS
Can you do a video on the new M1A2C sep v3?
Just saying, the map of USSR you used around 2:18 is a pre-WW2 map of USSR, where you can see that the Western part of Belarus and Ukraine was still under Polish administration.
Why did you show the interwar USSR map when talking about late USSR?
In training we shoot our old Leopard ones. They still use tanks from that age. Wow
Give us the Old Leopard 1s , dont shoot them 😪😪
Make a video on indian t72 ajeya tanks which are operated in large numbers. Ur comparisons and analysis are quite good
Now can you do a comparison of Leopard 2A5, 2A6 and 2A7? thanks
Second ... because red effect first .
Shit u got a point
"'their crew was trained up to ukrainian standards" - well there's your problem
Would Love to see these battles in Cgi
How about tactics? Or who saw who first?
They are actually the same generation of tanks. T-72 entered service in 1979, while Type-85 entered service in 1980. But you are right the one knocked out are not upgraded like the Chinese tanks.
what source did you use? NORINCO officially announced the orginal Type 85 in 1989 (claiming to have started its development in 1985), and the PLA claimed to have trialed the vehicles later that year.
the Type 85-IIM supposedly came into service in 1991 (and was announced in 1992)
so yeah the Type-85-IIM is more than a decade older than the T-72A
perhaps you were confused, the Type 80 is supposed to have entered service in 1981.
and also, wtf? T-72 entered service in 1979?
@@Kalashnikov413 T-72A. T72B is 1985.
@@mottscottison6943 should've said the model from the fucking beginning
Stalinium vs maolinium
Quick question, theres nothing out there to stop an apfsds round. A trophy system only works for rockets?
Yes, the trophy system is not powerful enough to take out kinetic rounds
Had a few questions and I'm hoping you can answer it:
Is it possible to upgrade a t-72 b3 to t90-M standards? if so, why wouldn't Russia do that as it might be more cost-effective? Also, how much would such an upgrade cost?
It would cost practically the same and we still would get a worse tank
When you are at tier 8 but you went to a battle with tier 9's and 10's
@RedEffect Could you please make a video on T72 Combat Improved Ajeya of Indian Army and how it stacks up against modern tanks?
Great video I never knew the t72 went against chinese tanks.
What you think about t54M?
Can you make a video about how merkava mk1 proved effective against t72 in 1982
Please Do A Video On Type 62 Light Tank Plz
So who won wins modern t-72 or modern xing tank ?
All tanks are 'obsolete' and 'wurst' tanks in the 'wurrld'. Still waiting for Red Effects' best tank in the wurrld prototype to be rolled out!
good video
When you are going to make a video for Al Khalid1?
He made two videos on the Al Khalid, one was a comparison with the Arjun and the other was a video on problems with the Al Khalid tank.
@@8000jk I am talking about New Al- Khalid named AL-KHALID 1, it has been shown a month ago.
@@halarkhan4257 From what I read this seems like a promising tank.
@@8000jk It's new but red effect will tell us better
@@halarkhan4257 probably not for a long time because he has to do research ! But best of luck from China 🇨🇳
You're like the Mark Felton of tanks
imagine another war happens between these two countries but they both got newer tanks
VT-4 chinese tank for sudan
and T80 for south sudan
The vt2 is more advance then the base t80.Maybe a newer variant or the t90 would be a more fair comparison
early question: where's RedEffect from?
Serbia or Slovenia i think
I believe he is Serbian.
@Arpan Abinaswar I thought he's from the holy roman empire.
@Arpan Abinaswar It's a fact that modern Chinese tanks are designed to meet higher standards than their Russian counterparts, so it's no surprising to lean towards Chinese tanks.
@Arpan Abinaswar Youve just made so many mistakes in ur statement
what take out the Type 85 IIIm ? an ATGM or a T-72AV ?
Other Sudanese rebels took it out. Not destroyed (I have proof if you need it) but was captured, crew abandoned after they were ambushed
its totally depends on the crew training not much on the tank ( t -72 and type 85 II) estimating victory over the tank type is some thing wrong u cannot predict which tank would win or not e.g in the strong european tank challenge austrias 1990s leopard 2A5 takes the leads against m1a2 , leopard 2A7 and other nations tanks bcz of better performance and precise shots ... its depend how u use ur strategy and the tank in the better persepective
Dude, do you seriously think T-72A is anything but obsolete compared to type 85 II?
0:15 Wow I didn’t know that
Yo my bro @redeffect.. Would you please to review Indonesian medium tank harimau hitam/kaplan. Thanks
Red can you make a video on China light tanks?!?
Training of crews and crew awareness explains such outcomes actual vehicle has very little relevance considering their respective generations.
People : "copied?"
Matsy : "well no, but actually yes"
There's rekt T62 in Beijing military museum which china capture in a border dispute, along with the shot down U2 recon plane reckt from the US in Serbia
@098765 Craper maybe, it should be shot down during kosov war in the 90s
You should do M1A2 SEP V3 Abrams vs Challenger 2
Hello red effect. Please make a video on Bangladesh military MBT2000, type59 DURJOY, and type 69s. You have a large number of viewers from Bangladesh and we would love you to make a video on our tanks. Thank you :)
no one cares
Please make a video about TR-85M1
Can you compare Russian mbt to Chinese mbt Ztz99a vs t14 armata
LOL, even T-72B3 is better than that
@@stilpa1 WTF man have your brain haywire or....?
@@stilpa1 that was type 96 vs t72b3
I use this as an example when I argue if the “T-72 is better than the Type 85-II\Type 96” Argument China had the better tank
Consider Type 96 is older than T-72A but B model might not be so easy. In short, the model types.