Hey Peter! Very nice video as usual. So nice to hear all these familiar voices. To clear up some of the confusions, as published, gliders do a left hand downwind at 600' agl (usually it starts at 800 and ends at 500' since we obviously can't maintain altitude in the pattern), landing on the left runway, and airplanes will do a right hand downwind at 1000' agl landing on the right runway. There are some exceptions though; Motorgliders can either do a left or right hand downwind, following the published altitudes (so gliding down when doing a LH pattern and maintaining altitude when doing a RH one), they'll usually do LH pattern, as they're mainly used in glider training to teach students how to fly the approach, as it's much easier to just touch and go then do it again than tow every time. Tow planes make a very very short RH downwind, but normally landing on the left runway, unless traffic doesn't permit of course (like if there are multiple gliders on the left one) Normally everyone should use callsign shortening as per easa regulations, but gliders and towplanes will usually use only the 2 last letters. Not sure about the N44GM thought, i always heard NGM when he was flying. So it's normal if you didn't see AW (which is OO-PAW btw, and is a tow plane) on the pattern, he would have been about overhead the threshold of the 23s while on downwind.
@@papicswell, Technically they're allowed both, but the cheif pilot wants us to do left hand only, although not always possible, if there are many gliders and the falkes in the LH pattern and no one in the right one, they'll usually take the RH one, also the dimonas are more likely to take the RH than the falkes
@@papics Also for the TMG thing, gliders will always just say XX downwind runway XX left, but motorgliders will (or at least should) always mention left hand or right hand downwind/base on the radio
Hello Péter, I am a glider tow pilot at EBSH. FWI there are 4 tow planes at EBSH, 2 PA-18 (OO-VVA & OO-VVG) and 2 PA25 (OO-VOV & OO-PAW). We use call signs "VA", "VG", "OV" and "AW" as to limit our radio use as we do up to 40 landings per day at peak season... Hope this helps 😀 !
Also, those two diamond motorgliders you see are the reason why you access to the DA40 today, it is diamond's first ever aircraft, the HK36 super dimona, which had many variants, those are both HK36TTC and they're nice to fly 😁
EBSH is the airfield where I learn to fly on the OO-NCC. I only have 2 hours solo and I'm looking forward to better weather. I must say that I have watched your videos quite a bit which have helped me a lot with EBCI phraseology. The next time you come to EBSH you might have the opportunity to try the 23R (200 m shorter than the 32) with its famous bump just after the runway threshold. Guaranteed rebound.
Thanks for the video again ! I've a question : What's the exact restriction about flying over city like Namur or Dinant ? Wha's the altitude limitation you have to respect ?
Minimum 1000’ above populated areas, and as you could see I was ~2x higher, so legally I could have been lower, but I prefer staying higher for safety and also to not make too much noise for the people below.
Hey Peter! Very nice video as usual. So nice to hear all these familiar voices.
To clear up some of the confusions, as published, gliders do a left hand downwind at 600' agl (usually it starts at 800 and ends at 500' since we obviously can't maintain altitude in the pattern), landing on the left runway, and airplanes will do a right hand downwind at 1000' agl landing on the right runway. There are some exceptions though;
Motorgliders can either do a left or right hand downwind, following the published altitudes (so gliding down when doing a LH pattern and maintaining altitude when doing a RH one), they'll usually do LH pattern, as they're mainly used in glider training to teach students how to fly the approach, as it's much easier to just touch and go then do it again than tow every time.
Tow planes make a very very short RH downwind, but normally landing on the left runway, unless traffic doesn't permit of course (like if there are multiple gliders on the left one)
Normally everyone should use callsign shortening as per easa regulations, but gliders and towplanes will usually use only the 2 last letters. Not sure about the N44GM thought, i always heard NGM when he was flying.
So it's normal if you didn't see AW (which is OO-PAW btw, and is a tow plane) on the pattern, he would have been about overhead the threshold of the 23s while on downwind.
Excellent additional insider information, thanks a lot for the comment!
Especially motor-gliders switching patterns was not something I thought of, very interesting to know! This indeed explains the mystery I think :)
@@papicswell, Technically they're allowed both, but the cheif pilot wants us to do left hand only, although not always possible, if there are many gliders and the falkes in the LH pattern and no one in the right one, they'll usually take the RH one, also the dimonas are more likely to take the RH than the falkes
@@papics Also for the TMG thing, gliders will always just say XX downwind runway XX left, but motorgliders will (or at least should) always mention left hand or right hand downwind/base on the radio
My checkride's just around the corner. Since we share the same airspace, your vids helped a lot in my navigatin phase. Thanks a bunch!
Good luck for the checkride!
Hello Péter, I am a glider tow pilot at EBSH. FWI there are 4 tow planes at EBSH, 2 PA-18 (OO-VVA & OO-VVG) and 2 PA25 (OO-VOV & OO-PAW). We use call signs "VA", "VG", "OV" and "AW" as to limit our radio use as we do up to 40 landings per day at peak season... Hope this helps 😀 !
Ah bah tiens qui voila
Thanks for the extra info!
Also, those two diamond motorgliders you see are the reason why you access to the DA40 today, it is diamond's first ever aircraft, the HK36 super dimona, which had many variants, those are both HK36TTC and they're nice to fly 😁
Great landing Peter , greetings from the Netherlands crew ph-hms
Cheers!👋
EBSH is the airfield where I learn to fly on the OO-NCC.
I only have 2 hours solo and I'm looking forward to better weather. I must say that I have watched your videos quite a bit which have helped me a lot with EBCI phraseology.
The next time you come to EBSH you might have the opportunity to try the 23R (200 m shorter than the 32) with its famous bump just after the runway threshold. Guaranteed rebound.
Always happy to hear from student pilots who find my videos useful 😊
And I have been told by other locals too already about the infamous 23R 😅
Thanks for the video again ! I've a question : What's the exact restriction about flying over city like Namur or Dinant ? Wha's the altitude limitation you have to respect ?
Minimum 1000’ above populated areas, and as you could see I was ~2x higher, so legally I could have been lower, but I prefer staying higher for safety and also to not make too much noise for the people below.
@@papics Thanks for the explanation. Waiting for your next flight :)