Mike Clay is the man! Another good video for you guys but, really nice to see Mike beyond ESPN. Mike just does so much for all of us fantasy football folks. We are just smarter and more aware if we actually "listen" to what he is explaining about the determinations/projections. My gut feelings and fan funk do not lead me as far astray when I am listening to Mike. Y'all take care and enjoy!
Everyone worries about Kyren and puts him 3rd round, due to a new rookie, but Gibbs is first round pick when Monty vultures most Red Zone. Make it make sense!
@@dh-uo4lt hes responsible for finding relevant stats that correlate and then im assuming (99%) sure hes writing scripts to compile them into graphs saying hes just reading stats is a crazy understatement hes created a ton of his own trackable models and stats himself, hes not just reading them from someone else
If you’re in the comments whining for timestamps, this channel just isn’t for you. The bread and butter of Hayden and Josh is in-depth film and data analysis, which requires actual discussion. If you want quick lists, there are thousands of 20-year-olds posting the shallow content you’re looking for claiming to be FF experts because they won a home league.
I just came from another FF channel 5 mins ago to this video. In my head, while I was watching the other channel, I kept thinking over and over that the analysis was poor. The better analysis imo takes an advanced look at the bigger picture, not just stats from 23’ and shallow tuning from the draft and pre season. I feel like I get more here. I miss the analytics from this channel when I go elsewhere. It’s been 4 years now, I’m gonna make this channel my hub. Thx guys.
I got engram at pick 100 in my first draft. And that’s with several tight ends taken. I took Laporta early and didn’t even want engram but at that point, my hands were tied. Schultz and Ferguson were both taken before engram
The Kyren hate has been odd from so many fantasy "experts" this season. Last year it was "He's too small" to survive the season and now it's still his size and the impact Corum might have on his workload. Even if Corum comes in and takes some carries, the Rams offense is very similar to Detroit and there's plenty of volume to support 2 RBs there. I ran Monty and Gibbs last season on my way to winning my league so it can certainly work even if there's competition in the backfield.
Gibbs and Monty are two completely different backs with different skill sets. Plus Gibbs is a 1st round pedigree back. What’s going on with Kyren is the same thing that happened last year with ETN when the Jaguars drafted a backup in Tank Bigsby. The fantasy world went crazy and pushed ETN’s ADP down. And we saw how that worked out.
Jake Browning is a good handcuff, in the last few rounds. Burrow will probably get hurt again, imo He won't be able to run much and will have a lot of interceptions. Courtland Sutton always disappoints, every year. No way, I am taking him, lol
Not to split hairs or anything but you guys missed a really big point on Sutton. Jerry Juedy went to Cleveland so a lot of those contested “number 1” target shares balls, are gonna go the way of Sutton, without Juedy there 👍🏻 love the video, and thank you guys for the insights and information!
1. These babies crying about time stamps… wah wah, stop commenting 2. Burrows injury could be worse than the organization is letting on, I won’t touch him 2020 grade 3 tear MCL, ACL, PCL and meniscus tear 2021 relatively healthy but did dislocate his finger 2022 grade one knee strain and surprise surprise, a grade 2 MCL sprain Last year… wrist ligament tear
Depends...if you're drafting a bunch of teams in Underdog you want to take Burrow because the injury risk is baked in and it's worth the upside shot. In my redraft leagues I'd be a little more hesitant.
@@matthewdennis1739It also depends on your scoring system. Been doing a 12 man fantasy league with my friends since 1994. We have other smaller leagues in prior leagues. We leaned long, long ago that the QB rankings don’t align well with how good they are in real life. Standard scoring favors running QB’s. We solved this problem by giving 1 point for every 5 completions (.2 per completion and 3 point bonus for 300 yard passing game). We also give 3 points for 100 yards rushing and receiving. With that scoring system QB more closely rank like they do in real life. And the 3 point bonus just makes fantasy more fun. You find yourself rooting for your players late in games to get the bonus. If a WR//RB/TE gets points for making a reception (PPR and 1/2 PPR), which shouldn’t a QB get credit for making a completion? I’m still surprised how other leagues remedy the QB issue with stupid things like 2 QB starters and 6 point passing TD’s. Just do 4 point pass TD, -2 point interception and add the completion and yardage bonus
@@consciousmachine413 passing/receiving yards. Geez. have some common sense. He, obviously, isn't passing for 500 yards, lolol Anyhow, a lot of people will pass on him in the draft, but if he is available, I will certainly take him.
Burrows schedule concerns me, especially playing Cleveland in the money week of week 16. Cleveland's D owns Burrow. The Browns, Steelers, and Ravens all have elite defenses.
I discount players that play Cleveland and Baltimore defense a quarter of the season. Also, weather issues. Chase bitchin about money, and he is often hurt. Hard fade for Me
I was a bouncer at a bar, the 49 center and a bunch of other huge guys came in. My opening line was "well guys if you start anything, heres my badge" Got a laugh. Around 6'4" 320
I hear Jayde Daniel's is spending extra time after practice working man beater routes with Austin ekeler....and that keeler is teaching him when NOT to take off and risk big hits.....so disagree with that fade
At least Cleveland and Dallas TEs remain an afterthought. Ingram had a good season for a reason. No WR, the constant double team on Ridley, Shitty play calling, below average O-line, run game was being shut down and really the only option left.
Eckler had a high ankle sprain ĺast season....McCaffery 28. You completely fading him too? I mean i get the point but dang, dudes a pass catching threat. Give him a little chance to bounce back
I find Burrow so boring to watch. Yes he's very accurate but he just tends to move the ball the same way. I'm often unenthused watching the Bengals. Burton's a talent and a headcase so he'll be interesting to watch but I feel they're missing an Icky Woods/Derrick Henry type RB to make the viewing spicier ⚡🔥👀
You haven't watched enough. You have to remember the lack of protection he's had. It gets a bit better every year. And the offense was evolving last year until he got injured.
Hard pass on Karen Williams. He was great last year and he could be great again this year, but his ADP so high. He's also a huge injury risk. He was a pick up player in most leagues last year and I always hate paying premium prices on guys who were largely undrafted the year before. They usually flame out for whatever reason.
Joe Burrow don’t have 3 WRs like Houston? Jermaine Burton has as much upside as Diggs this season.. Would you tank Tank Dell over Jamarr Chase? what about TEE Higgins? hilarious how much people get caught up in the media hype and Burrow and his weapons get overlooked. Even Andrei Losivias is a stud and is in solid shape, can get jump balls and has olympic speed. Bengals will be DANGEROUS
dont agree with evan, sutton, and robinson. sorry none of those 3 are guys are going to have good years. Kyren and Joe will have good years in fantasy.
See he says, he would gladly take him in the 3rd round (more Wrs, not elite but more Wrs than RBs, so why the take, like WR WR then RB? you ain't getting him in the 3rd then), but many drafts are having him drafted higher, always was and still is drafted in 1st or second in 10 to 14 man teams. This is the disconnect in these shows. Look at all the mocks, you will see-so I don't understand-and stop watching after that to entertain Engram, Burrow Sutton or Robinson-probably will say I will gladly take them in the 10th round.
I can’t tell if this channel is playing 5D chess by saying draft kyren to get people to draft the low prospect players. He will be the biggest pit hole this season as soon as he gets injured, that’s how mcvay works
For those looking for a list:
1) Kyren Williams
2) Evan Engram
3) Joe Burrow
4) Courtland Sutton
5) Brian Robinson Jr.
6. Natrone Means
7. Corey Dillon
8. Cutis Martin
@@sturttvtd machine loved him in NE
In what rounds though
Mike Clay with this channel is just insane lol
Mike Clay is the man! Another good video for you guys but, really nice to see Mike beyond ESPN. Mike just does so much for all of us fantasy football folks. We are just smarter and more aware if we actually "listen" to what he is explaining about the determinations/projections. My gut feelings and fan funk do not lead me as far astray when I am listening to Mike. Y'all take care and enjoy!
This is what I’ve been waiting for! Love Mike Clay
Mike Clay is the only thinly holding up espn Fantasy Football now. I still watch Sunday morning
I am not a fan of Stephania's fantasy evals, but she's very good with injury evaluations and expected recoveries...that's what she is there for...
@@IwantJenniferConellyshe says nothing different than any other Twitter doctor… 🧢
@@bankster3844 I said what I believe, not really looking for you approval
5. Kyren Williams
4. Evan Ingram
3. Joe Burrow
2. Courtland Surton
1. Brian Robinson
For those complaining about timestamps. Solid episode.
thanks for spoiling the video im going to drive on the wrong side of the road now
@@man-zm3ljI'm gonna run with scissors, then brush my teeth and chug some orange juice 😱
@@man-zm3lj😂
Mike clay is about as good as it gets
He's the most trusted and in depth with his analytics.
@@antimike11 i dont see his name anywhere on the fantasypros most accurate
@@dh-uo4lt you a lie his name do be on it
@@antimike11 where?
@@dh-uo4lt ok, I looked again and didn't see his name. But he's legit though he is on fantasy football radio on Sirius XM
I hate that Engram call… You guys should keep it quiet so I can keep pick him cheap in every draft I am in…
I agree with this. The problem with a lot of these podcasts is I really hope the folks in my league don't watch this.
insta fucking click seeing mike clay’s name.
You ain't capping
Everyone worries about Kyren and puts him 3rd round, due to a new rookie, but Gibbs is first round pick when Monty vultures most Red Zone. Make it make sense!
Love this comment
Mike Clay and Hayden Winks in the same video?? Two of the smartest dudes in FF
How is hayden smart? He just rattles off stats he reads.
@@dh-uo4lt hes responsible for finding relevant stats that correlate and then im assuming (99%) sure hes writing scripts to compile them into graphs saying hes just reading stats is a crazy understatement
hes created a ton of his own trackable models and stats himself, hes not just reading them from someone else
@@blyzz2031 is that whole paragraph one sentence?
@@dh-uo4lt i think youre making implications about people's intelligence that you cannot support and its making you come off as a little silly
Nerd@@dh-uo4lt
Man you guys have been bringing in BIG dogs!!! Great job gentlemen!
If you’re in the comments whining for timestamps, this channel just isn’t for you. The bread and butter of Hayden and Josh is in-depth film and data analysis, which requires actual discussion.
If you want quick lists, there are thousands of 20-year-olds posting the shallow content you’re looking for claiming to be FF experts because they won a home league.
I knew I was going to agree with all 5 of Mike Clay’s picks 👍
Yall have been a fuggin heater!!!!! Keep it up
Thanks guys!
I just came from another FF channel 5 mins ago to this video. In my head, while I was watching the other channel, I kept thinking over and over that the analysis was poor. The better analysis imo takes an advanced look at the bigger picture, not just stats from 23’ and shallow tuning from the draft and pre season. I feel like I get more here. I miss the analytics from this channel when I go elsewhere. It’s been 4 years now, I’m gonna make this channel my hub. Thx guys.
Mike Clay is the Tim Legler of fantasy
Good analogy
Is Mike Clay on tour?
Can we get a video for long snappers?
I got engram at pick 100 in my first draft. And that’s with several tight ends taken. I took Laporta early and didn’t even want engram but at that point, my hands were tied. Schultz and Ferguson were both taken before engram
Appreciate the alpha. This is my 2nd year doing best ball tourneys
I like the Courtland Sutton pick. Bo Nix looked very functional in his first preseason game last night.
Dude timestamps
Dude fast forward
Watch the video and enjoy their hard work
They have them. If you can’t watch the video, and just want to see the players, then UA-cam isn’t for you buddy.
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Dude watch the video
The Kyren hate has been odd from so many fantasy "experts" this season. Last year it was "He's too small" to survive the season and now it's still his size and the impact Corum might have on his workload. Even if Corum comes in and takes some carries, the Rams offense is very similar to Detroit and there's plenty of volume to support 2 RBs there. I ran Monty and Gibbs last season on my way to winning my league so it can certainly work even if there's competition in the backfield.
Gibbs and Monty are two completely different backs with different skill sets. Plus Gibbs is a 1st round pedigree back.
What’s going on with Kyren is the same thing that happened last year with ETN when the Jaguars drafted a backup in Tank Bigsby. The fantasy world went crazy and pushed ETN’s ADP down. And we saw how that worked out.
Jake Browning is a good handcuff, in the last few rounds. Burrow will probably get hurt again, imo He won't be able to run much and will have a lot of interceptions.
Courtland Sutton always disappoints, every year. No way, I am taking him, lol
Love these episodes!
Glad I saw this in time
Not to split hairs or anything but you guys missed a really big point on Sutton. Jerry Juedy went to Cleveland so a lot of those contested “number 1” target shares balls, are gonna go the way of Sutton, without Juedy there 👍🏻 love the video, and thank you guys for the insights and information!
1. These babies crying about time stamps… wah wah, stop commenting
2. Burrows injury could be worse than the organization is letting on, I won’t touch him
2020 grade 3 tear MCL, ACL, PCL and meniscus tear
2021 relatively healthy but did dislocate his finger
2022 grade one knee strain and surprise surprise, a grade 2 MCL sprain
Last year… wrist ligament tear
Depends...if you're drafting a bunch of teams in Underdog you want to take Burrow because the injury risk is baked in and it's worth the upside shot.
In my redraft leagues I'd be a little more hesitant.
@@matthewdennis1739 for me… either way I’m staying away
@@Thoughtpologetics That's a perfectly sound strategy.
@@matthewdennis1739It also depends on your scoring system. Been doing a 12 man fantasy league with my friends since 1994. We have other smaller leagues in prior leagues. We leaned long, long ago that the QB rankings don’t align well with how good they are in real life. Standard scoring favors running QB’s. We solved this problem by giving 1 point for every 5 completions (.2 per completion and 3 point bonus for 300 yard passing game). We also give 3 points for 100 yards rushing and receiving. With that scoring system QB more closely rank like they do in real life. And the 3 point bonus just makes fantasy more fun. You find yourself rooting for your players late in games to get the bonus.
If a WR//RB/TE gets points for making a reception (PPR and 1/2 PPR), which shouldn’t a QB get credit for making a completion?
I’m still surprised how other leagues remedy the QB issue with stupid things like 2 QB starters and 6 point passing TD’s. Just do 4 point pass TD, -2 point interception and add the completion and yardage bonus
Great content my dudes
Roninson Jr. is a good pick. Eck will get hurt for sure. I think Robinson will get around 800-850 yards rushing, 500 passing and 9 TD's
Hey bot, he ain't passing for shit. Maybe one completion.
@@consciousmachine413
passing/receiving yards. Geez. have some common sense. He, obviously, isn't passing for 500 yards, lolol
Anyhow, a lot of people will pass on him in the draft, but if he is available, I will certainly take him.
This guy knows ball.
Love Mike Clay!
Burrows schedule concerns me, especially playing Cleveland in the money week of week 16. Cleveland's D owns Burrow. The Browns, Steelers, and Ravens all have elite defenses.
I discount players that play Cleveland and Baltimore defense a quarter of the season. Also, weather issues. Chase bitchin about money, and he is often hurt.
Hard fade for
Me
@@chevy4x466chase does not show against above average cover guys.
@@joegrahe3958
He’s always had to face those teams. They’re in the same division.
@slickrick8046 but now all three of those D's are elite.
I was a bouncer at a bar, the 49 center and a bunch of other huge guys came in. My opening line was "well guys if you start anything, heres my badge" Got a laugh. Around 6'4" 320
i was 6'1" 230
Is Kyren lasting to the third round??
MONEY MIKE!!!!
Robinson my highest drafted RB. He that dude at great value.
Let the party begin boys
Great show.
I hear Jayde Daniel's is spending extra time after practice working man beater routes with Austin ekeler....and that keeler is teaching him when NOT to take off and risk big hits.....so disagree with that fade
Philly finest
Let’s goo I got engram and burrow in dynasty so this is reassuring. Traded away B Rob tho 😮😅
At least Cleveland and Dallas TEs remain an afterthought. Ingram had a good season for a reason. No WR, the constant double team on Ridley, Shitty play calling, below average O-line, run game was being shut down and really the only option left.
I got burrow pick 111 yesterday totally insane
I remember when this dude took garret wilson in the 1st round of the espn draft spectacular last year 🤣🤣
So? He didn't have a crystal ball that let him know Rodgers would be hurt
@michaelcoletta4547 twas a bad pick regardless. A 1st rounder who doesn't have a top 20 finish on his resume' is a bad choice
Yoshi and Burton are going to have a great year with the Bengals.
Mike!
Let’s gooooooo fellas
I've never seen Kyren in the 3rd
Bc u too late now. He was for weeks. ADP up now.
Ekeler will be the undisputed 1.
Mike Clay is like the Thanos of Fantasy Football nerds
Did Mike remember to factor in hangnails?
For TE's would take Trey McBride or Dalton Kincaid to come up big this year.
Eckler had a high ankle sprain ĺast season....McCaffery 28. You completely fading him too? I mean i get the point but dang, dudes a pass catching threat. Give him a little chance to bounce back
Mike Clay is what Mathew Berry wishes HE was.
I think Josh Reynolds will see a fair amount of targets in Denver.
Guy in the top left sounds like Justin Long
Put some time stamps on these 40 minute videos guys
I find Burrow so boring to watch. Yes he's very accurate but he just tends to move the ball the same way. I'm often unenthused watching the Bengals. Burton's a talent and a headcase so he'll be interesting to watch but I feel they're missing an Icky Woods/Derrick Henry type RB to make the viewing spicier ⚡🔥👀
You haven't watched enough. You have to remember the lack of protection he's had. It gets a bit better every year. And the offense was evolving last year until he got injured.
Superbowl run was about as exciting as it gets.
Engram did everything right except score point in real life or in fantasy!
I can’t stop drafting josh Kelley in the 5th
I had all but evan drafted in my team ill come in 6 months back
Your analysis of Corum is exactly what everyone said about Williams when he came into the league... Sooooo
I drafted Burrow high in fantasy last year and got totally burned.
I will not draft any of these players at all, but thanks for the video
Yesssss
Not joking Evan engram is my highest drafted player on underdog right now
Man that Kyren Williams film, he is literally getting the yards that are there to get. Nothing more and nothing less.
These guys just DONT MISS
Hard pass on Karen Williams. He was great last year and he could be great again this year, but his ADP so high. He's also a huge injury risk. He was a pick up player in most leagues last year and I always hate paying premium prices on guys who were largely undrafted the year before. They usually flame out for whatever reason.
Who still does SnAkE drafts?
I think Ekler is going to be a league winner. In terms of skill he's a top 5 back. He got paid and is healthy
Really need 40 minutes to hear 5 players to draft??? 😂
Kyren is hurt rn, untill it becomes clear he won't be Kupp of last year he is a no go.
Joe Burrow don’t have 3 WRs like Houston? Jermaine Burton has as much upside as Diggs this season.. Would you tank Tank Dell over Jamarr Chase? what about TEE Higgins? hilarious how much people get caught up in the media hype and Burrow and his weapons get overlooked. Even Andrei Losivias is a stud and is in solid shape, can get jump balls and has olympic speed. Bengals will be DANGEROUS
He meant stacking wise. Bengals have 2 stacking wide receivers before joe burrow goes
Man Burrow injury is far scarier than what you guys have covered…like that nerve issue in his hand is going to bother him all year long.
🔥🔥🔥🔥
People are going to regret taking Kyren in round 1 this year
Especially if both Kupp and Nacua can stay healthy.
So because Kyren ran a slow 40 he's not athletic?
No way on Courtland Sutton
Kutztown Grad!
I don't agree with that I think Austin ekeler is being slept on.
Nop only suggestion I liked is courtland sutton
Time stamps
Corum > Williams and it's not close for me.
Mike looks way too much like Josh Allen 🤣😭
I dont see Josh Allen at all, would've went with alot closer to Spencer Rattler.
Didn’t y’all just do a video on how bad of a pick engram and kyren are
Lol Williams in the 3rd. He is gone mid 2nd .
dont agree with evan, sutton, and robinson. sorry none of those 3 are guys are going to have good years. Kyren and Joe will have good years in fantasy.
Evan has been top 10 last 2 yrs..what do you mean?
Give me Pacheco over K.W. all day
I'm avoiding williams at his adp, which made me question him off the bat. Then he started making sense.
See he says, he would gladly take him in the 3rd round (more Wrs, not elite but more Wrs than RBs, so why the take, like WR WR then RB? you ain't getting him in the 3rd then), but many drafts are having him drafted higher, always was and still is drafted in 1st or second in 10 to 14 man teams. This is the disconnect in these shows. Look at all the mocks, you will see-so I don't understand-and stop watching after that to entertain Engram, Burrow Sutton or Robinson-probably will say I will gladly take them in the 10th round.
I can’t tell if this channel is playing 5D chess by saying draft kyren to get people to draft the low prospect players. He will be the biggest pit hole this season as soon as he gets injured, that’s how mcvay works
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McVay will keep feeding K. Williams. Draft rb was cheap depth talent.
Not really cheap if you look how the rams trend to draft. That's high capital for an RB. Especially for them
@@steventosti4348 The Rams have drafted an RB in the first three rounds four times since 2019. 4/6 drafts.Six total RBs in last six drafts.
@@dlinny9458 and what do they do with the RBs they draft early? I'm saying 3rd round isn't backup territory
tbh not enough NASCAR talk
joe b all day long
Disagree on 4 out 5...BRob is a great value but that's it! Rest are poo poo!
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