The editing start and end points on the SU10 is probably the most accurate method of getting a perfect loop I've ever used. Still in my setup no matter what other hi-tech GASgadgets I grab.
This may be the best thing I have heard from any sampler on UA-cam. While others try to produce fancy-sounding replications of real-world sounds (and invariably fail, because the real world still sounds different), you show us what the world sounds like according to this little machine. Reminds me of old computer games: The worlds in them were no recreations of something they couldn't quite match. They were real worlds in their own right. Thank you!
Cheers - a lovely way of putting it and very much what I'm going for! I love to inhabit the landscape of a device or format's limitations; love it when a tool underwhelms technically, because then there's an opportunity to accept it at face value and turn it into an instrument...
@@TheGeekass Sorry, only just spotted this question! Do you mean at e.g. 0:18, where a drum pattern plays without my fingers? If so, that's just the Song Sequencer looping through a drum pattern that I already recorded with the pads - carefully keeping an eye on the voice count and choke-groups so the polyphony limit never cuts off something it shouldn't. Usually I have all drum hits in one group, synth pads in another, melodic stuff in the third and bg ambience/fx in the fourth. So even if I record a complicated drum pattern in the sequencer, if I grouped all my drums to the same choke group, that 'Song' will never exceed 1 voice of polyphony and I'll always be able to jam with up to 3 other voices on top of it. OTOH if you're talking about actual resampling of multiple pads to one pad, that is indeed impossible - I've got two SU10s so I can 'bounce' between them (significantly degrading quality each time!), but I don't think I was doing that in any of these vids.
@@_syphus ohhh so you're using two su for resampling, ok! btw, is it possible to loop a song? because it'll be really userful for sending stuff to other machines with the midi out
Remember buying one when they first came out as a kid, amazing little tool. Elecktron digitakt is my solution nowa days, you've made me dig out my kord delay aswel 🤣
whenever I use song mode to loop a beat, it looping back to the start interupts whatever manual sample playback I have going on. So if I record a little 4 bar beat and a big synth hold is playing then the song looping back cuts it off. Is that normal?
Sorry this is late, but yeah, sadly that's normal. I thought it might be possible to avoid it using mute groups and keeping the polyphony right down, but I just tested and nope :(
dbo514 Not really - I mean it’s a 16bit processing chain with not particularly great DAC, but usually if any white noise is coming out it’s because I put it in there :) Is it only the line out that’s noisy, or the headphone output too? I think they’re pretty much the same level, but maybe slightly different impedance. You might be getting ground loop problems if you’re mains-powering it and running it to another mains powered device (mixer or audio interface), but that would sound like a hum/buzz rather than a hiss. (Solution for that btw is either to use a ground lift or to run the SU10 from batteries). Do some tests sampling very clean sources at the maximum possible sampling quality and see if the white noise amount changes - that should help you narrow down the possible causes.
Nice, wish I hadn't had to let go of my Sampletrak. Best compact sampler of the 90s, for sure - proper pitching, resampling and that dimension-chorus-thingy effect that makes every pad sound amazing.
@@_syphus what you do with the SU is mind blowing! I’m enjoying running the sampletrak into the line in on the SU for filtering. I love being able to toggle between filter on and off and type on the SU, leaving the sampletrak effects available for other stuff.
Thanks! Yeah, that touch strip is so simple but so immediate. I've seen some amazing live free-improv performances using just an SU10 - Gustav Thomas is a genius with it.
I've never come across this before! Maybe some weird edge-case where the memory's nearly full, or with certain quality settings? If you've got anything important on there you should make a full system backup dump, then see if you can whittle down possible causes. Finally, try a factory reset and see if that helps... My best guess is that under certain unusual conditions a certain byte or bitwise flag is incorrectly written with the recorded sample's metadata. The OS will try to repair memory problems if there's a bad write (usually caused by power loss/shutdown while a write's in progress), so it could be it's repairing the sample enough to get past the error checker but not enough to fix the bad flag. But it sounds like you experience this right after recording, even if you haven't switched off and on again. So...I'm afraid I don't know!
@@_syphus thanks man. I think I'll record the drum break piano sample beat to audacity using Rev function to sound normal. But then I think I'll reset. How do I reset?? Thanks again! :)
Before you do that, check you haven't got the sample's Loop Mode set to 'RShot' (Reverse Shot) or RLoop (Reverse Loop). Either of those would cause a sample's default playback to be in reverse, then flip to forwards if you hit rev. If that still doesn't solve it, factory reset is: Utility Mode -> Init -> Init All
I've not tried the PO-33, but it's cheaper than an SU10 and I believe it's possible to adjust the pitch of every slice individually (not possible on the SU10)
Thanks! Yeah, I did that for some of these. It's an inexact science as there's no quantisation and it usually cuts off any long looping samples when the song sequence restarts, but if you're ready for it you can hit your long sample again on the zero beat.
I swear I replied to this yesterday, but my comment seems to have disappeared :/ Oh well - the answer is no...sort of. You can restore a full system backup via MIDI from a sysex dump file you made earlier, but you can't send individual samples to the SU10 from a computer (or any other hardware). You can send individual samples FROM the SU10 via MSDS (old MIDI sample dump format), but not TO the SU10 :( I'm trying to write some software that will let you edit SU10 backup dumps and maybe even add custom samples to them, but that'll probably take me ages. Anyway, currently the quickest and easiest way to get samples from PC to SU10 is just to play them back on the PC at high quality and a strong signal level, and sample them on the SU10 :)
Cheers! Mostly I play them in directly on a MIDI keyboard/synth, sometimes from a Yamaha QY70; drums I either sample a breakbeat and then chop it up on the SU10 or sample individual hits. Sometimes I bounce between two SU10s to build up a texture or to double/triple up on polyphony, but since I always work at the lowest quality in mono, samples can become unusably bad after only a few bounces back and forth :)
You can record your own samples onto it, or restore a memory dump backup, but you can't e.g. load wavs onto it. The only samplers from this era (1995) that let you do that had built-in floppy drives, and were considerably bulkier!
Yeah, with caveats! If you press 'Hold' and play the song it'll loop, but since there's no quantisation (just an event list on a timeline), any song where the recording isn't started and stopped right on the desired loop point (usually a bar-line) will drift out of time pretty quickly. Sometimes cool, but usually not desired behaviour. Also the song restart might not always retrigger the samples it's meant to: it's possible that the first couple of pad hits in a recording can clash and not get recorded properly...or maybe it's to do with the polyphony limit and a voice not being cleared in time for the restart... But tbh, getting that "sequencer" to do anything useful *at all* is such a triumph that you probably won't mind having to do a bit of trial and error!
Yes, though only in a certain play mode that lets you play one sample chromatically but *nothing else*. So it's pretty useless to me for this kind of performance, but maybe someone out there likes that feature.
Hi guy! I just bought an SU10 after looking at your content. Very inspiring! I wonder how are you doing to play a sample on a pad, let it go and just stop it by pressing an other pad, so the song is swtiching : I mean in your "Ninsei Noir" song. Those crazy synths leads great by the way, very good job. I'm actually playing around all the settings on my pads but not find yet. I try to set the Loop Mode to "OShot", "WLoop", "PLoop", combining to all the Sound Mode : Toggl, Trggr... nothing happens :-( Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words, and congrats on getting hold of an SU10! The setting you're looking for is 'AltGrp', which is the 4th option in a pad's Edit menu. On other samplers it's variously called Mute Group, Exclusion Group, Choke or Cutoff - basically it assigns polyphonic pads to a group within which all playback is monophonic (great for e.g. having a closed hi-hat sample cut off an open hi-hat sample, because on a real drum kit they would never be heard simultaneously). Only the SU10 you only get OFF, 1, 2 or 3, which is a bit limited - but hey, everything on the SU10 is a bit limited :) Hope that helps!
@@_syphus damn I never tried this one, thanks a lot! Thanks for explaining, I'm at the beginning in sampling. I just bought an Akai S20 too (he's coming), I think the SU10 would be very interesting combining to an other sampler, the scale function is very great, the ribbon controller add something to the way of use. About the scale function : do you know if it's possible to record something, scale it and resample it on the SU10? This is a very cool function but you can't play whit it when playing a song, that's sad :( And... last question lol : do you chop the samples on the SU10? Actually I'm sampling some vinyls, and to save some bytes on the memory I try to chop manually the samples directly on the turntable, it's a great training, but a little bit long. I can use my computer to chop on a DAW but I really want to make it without modern things, except of my speaker ahah Thanks, stay safe
@@_syphus sorry one more question! When I'm playing a song, who's during for e.g. 30 seconds, if I press a pad at 29 seconds, the sample would stop when the song start again. It's a sample who's not used yet on the song, totally separated... have you got this problem too?
No, the SU10 has no resampling and you can't use scale playback while playing other samples. One of its biggest limitations :( And yes, when the song loops, all pads cut out - another limitation. Someone else asked about this in the comments; the only thing to do is manually retrigger or keep re-recording the song until it's timed just right!
How exactly did you record these jams? You said ‘straight to IPhone’ but could you elaborate please? Excellent work by the way. My SU10 should be arriving in the coming week. This is some pretty inspirational stuff. Thanks.
I've got a QY70 that I use mostly as a synth, but it can absolutely drive the SU10 from its sequencer via MIDI, yeah. Any hardware sequencer that has conventional MIDI event tracks will work - QY100, earlier Yamaha 'walkstation' sequencers, Novation Circuit, Roland MC-505, probably some of Roland's newer grooveboxes, etc. I haven't heard of the Q75 (maybe a typo?). I once had a Yamaha RY9 'Big Jam' drum machine that could drive the SU10 on a MIDI track - same form factor and button layout as the SU10, so a very good companion.
The editing start and end points on the SU10 is probably the most accurate method of getting a perfect loop I've ever used.
Still in my setup no matter what other hi-tech GASgadgets I grab.
This may be the best thing I have heard from any sampler on UA-cam. While others try to produce fancy-sounding replications of real-world sounds (and invariably fail, because the real world still sounds different), you show us what the world sounds like according to this little machine. Reminds me of old computer games: The worlds in them were no recreations of something they couldn't quite match. They were real worlds in their own right. Thank you!
Cheers - a lovely way of putting it and very much what I'm going for! I love to inhabit the landscape of a device or format's limitations; love it when a tool underwhelms technically, because then there's an opportunity to accept it at face value and turn it into an instrument...
@_syphus is this portable?
Hey King City! 2:32 that's an awesome comic.
Stuck in my mind this vid after several years well done❤❤❤
This is probably the best SU10 video on YT. Great work.
sick. i love hearing lots of little clips like this, and these are cool as fuck
Love these bleary eyed jams
Gorgeous
grittyness low fi thickness
Man this stuff is dope! Great job! I'm an happy owner of this little monster, and your video is truly inspiring!
How do you record the pads in one pad? I didn't know that was possible
@@TheGeekass Sorry, only just spotted this question! Do you mean at e.g. 0:18, where a drum pattern plays without my fingers? If so, that's just the Song Sequencer looping through a drum pattern that I already recorded with the pads - carefully keeping an eye on the voice count and choke-groups so the polyphony limit never cuts off something it shouldn't. Usually I have all drum hits in one group, synth pads in another, melodic stuff in the third and bg ambience/fx in the fourth. So even if I record a complicated drum pattern in the sequencer, if I grouped all my drums to the same choke group, that 'Song' will never exceed 1 voice of polyphony and I'll always be able to jam with up to 3 other voices on top of it.
OTOH if you're talking about actual resampling of multiple pads to one pad, that is indeed impossible - I've got two SU10s so I can 'bounce' between them (significantly degrading quality each time!), but I don't think I was doing that in any of these vids.
@@_syphus ohhh so you're using two su for resampling, ok! btw, is it possible to loop a song? because it'll be really userful for sending stuff to other machines with the midi out
Ninsei noir is no joke! I love these beats dude
I had three SU-10s at one point.. still have two.. never know when it’ll come of use again
will you sell me one?
I just typed in Yamaha su 10 low sample rates and got this video which I'm enjoying. Getting inspired and want one of those.
Remember buying one when they first came out as a kid, amazing little tool. Elecktron digitakt is my solution nowa days, you've made me dig out my kord delay aswel 🤣
First sampler I could afford ......still going strong
AMAZING jams on an AMAZING hidden gem !!! keep makin these dude !!!!
Subbed because of this. Love for samplers :-)
That Dusk Mart joint was crazy
Lovely! Thanks for sharing!
Awesome beats!
whenever I use song mode to loop a beat, it looping back to the start interupts whatever manual sample playback I have going on.
So if I record a little 4 bar beat and a big synth hold is playing then the song looping back cuts it off. Is that normal?
Sorry this is late, but yeah, sadly that's normal. I thought it might be possible to avoid it using mute groups and keeping the polyphony right down, but I just tested and nope :(
Hey do you get static/white noise from the line output on the SU10? Mine has a very noisy output
dbo514 Not really - I mean it’s a 16bit processing chain with not particularly great DAC, but usually if any white noise is coming out it’s because I put it in there :) Is it only the line out that’s noisy, or the headphone output too? I think they’re pretty much the same level, but maybe slightly different impedance. You might be getting ground loop problems if you’re mains-powering it and running it to another mains powered device (mixer or audio interface), but that would sound like a hum/buzz rather than a hiss. (Solution for that btw is either to use a ground lift or to run the SU10 from batteries). Do some tests sampling very clean sources at the maximum possible sampling quality and see if the white noise amount changes - that should help you narrow down the possible causes.
@_syphus oh its 16 bit but 11khz?
Dope beats! Just got an Su-10! Should be fun with my 2x Sampletraks and RY-8
Nice, wish I hadn't had to let go of my Sampletrak. Best compact sampler of the 90s, for sure - proper pitching, resampling and that dimension-chorus-thingy effect that makes every pad sound amazing.
@@_syphus what you do with the SU is mind blowing! I’m enjoying running the sampletrak into the line in on the SU for filtering. I love being able to toggle between filter on and off and type on the SU, leaving the sampletrak effects available for other stuff.
Thanks! Yeah, that touch strip is so simple but so immediate. I've seen some amazing live free-improv performances using just an SU10 - Gustav Thomas is a genius with it.
Anyone know why when i record a sample it plays back reversed, and the only way to make it play normal is I have to hit rev? Thanks!
I've never come across this before! Maybe some weird edge-case where the memory's nearly full, or with certain quality settings? If you've got anything important on there you should make a full system backup dump, then see if you can whittle down possible causes. Finally, try a factory reset and see if that helps... My best guess is that under certain unusual conditions a certain byte or bitwise flag is incorrectly written with the recorded sample's metadata. The OS will try to repair memory problems if there's a bad write (usually caused by power loss/shutdown while a write's in progress), so it could be it's repairing the sample enough to get past the error checker but not enough to fix the bad flag. But it sounds like you experience this right after recording, even if you haven't switched off and on again. So...I'm afraid I don't know!
@@_syphus thanks man. I think I'll record the drum break piano sample beat to audacity using Rev function to sound normal. But then I think I'll reset. How do I reset?? Thanks again! :)
Before you do that, check you haven't got the sample's Loop Mode set to 'RShot' (Reverse Shot) or RLoop (Reverse Loop). Either of those would cause a sample's default playback to be in reverse, then flip to forwards if you hit rev.
If that still doesn't solve it, factory reset is: Utility Mode -> Init -> Init All
really gooood!!!
Whats the verdicht? Yamaha SU 10 or PO-33? (I want to chop/slice and pitch/pitchshift)
I've not tried the PO-33, but it's cheaper than an SU10 and I believe it's possible to adjust the pitch of every slice individually (not possible on the SU10)
What do those taped numbers stand for ?
" MI MO I O " : MIDI In, MIDI Out, Line Input, Line Output :)
how'd you get a green one?
Heh, that's just bad lighting and the instagram filter :)
Amazing!
So sick man. Did I see you loop the song recording to be able to record finger drumming and loop it to preform ????
Thanks! Yeah, I did that for some of these. It's an inexact science as there's no quantisation and it usually cuts off any long looping samples when the song sequence restarts, but if you're ready for it you can hit your long sample again on the zero beat.
Echolevel sick thanks maing!!!! 🌊😎
whata fuken revelation! coppin it if i see 1 on the low
Is it possible to transfer sampler on it from PC?
I swear I replied to this yesterday, but my comment seems to have disappeared :/ Oh well - the answer is no...sort of. You can restore a full system backup via MIDI from a sysex dump file you made earlier, but you can't send individual samples to the SU10 from a computer (or any other hardware). You can send individual samples FROM the SU10 via MSDS (old MIDI sample dump format), but not TO the SU10 :( I'm trying to write some software that will let you edit SU10 backup dumps and maybe even add custom samples to them, but that'll probably take me ages.
Anyway, currently the quickest and easiest way to get samples from PC to SU10 is just to play them back on the PC at high quality and a strong signal level, and sample them on the SU10 :)
Nice Moments!
Nice jams, straight, unpolished. I too like these little boxes. I have two of them. And monotrons too... How do you prepare the samples?
Cheers! Mostly I play them in directly on a MIDI keyboard/synth, sometimes from a Yamaha QY70; drums I either sample a breakbeat and then chop it up on the SU10 or sample individual hits. Sometimes I bounce between two SU10s to build up a texture or to double/triple up on polyphony, but since I always work at the lowest quality in mono, samples can become unusably bad after only a few bounces back and forth :)
Can you load your own samples onto this thing?
You can record your own samples onto it, or restore a memory dump backup, but you can't e.g. load wavs onto it. The only samplers from this era (1995) that let you do that had built-in floppy drives, and were considerably bulkier!
I have an SU10. Are you just using the Korg Monotron as a speaker or does it serve some other purpose?
its a monotron delay, he is using its delay effect in some of these tracks.
Are you able to loop your song mode patterns on the unit itself?
Yeah, with caveats! If you press 'Hold' and play the song it'll loop, but since there's no quantisation (just an event list on a timeline), any song where the recording isn't started and stopped right on the desired loop point (usually a bar-line) will drift out of time pretty quickly. Sometimes cool, but usually not desired behaviour. Also the song restart might not always retrigger the samples it's meant to: it's possible that the first couple of pad hits in a recording can clash and not get recorded properly...or maybe it's to do with the polyphony limit and a voice not being cleared in time for the restart... But tbh, getting that "sequencer" to do anything useful *at all* is such a triumph that you probably won't mind having to do a bit of trial and error!
can you play sounds chromatically?
Yes, though only in a certain play mode that lets you play one sample chromatically but *nothing else*. So it's pretty useless to me for this kind of performance, but maybe someone out there likes that feature.
Sounds like req. cool dirty rando. I like.
Hi guy! I just bought an SU10 after looking at your content. Very inspiring!
I wonder how are you doing to play a sample on a pad, let it go and just stop it by pressing an other pad, so the song is swtiching : I mean in your "Ninsei Noir" song. Those crazy synths leads great by the way, very good job.
I'm actually playing around all the settings on my pads but not find yet. I try to set the Loop Mode to "OShot", "WLoop", "PLoop", combining to all the Sound Mode : Toggl, Trggr... nothing happens :-(
Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words, and congrats on getting hold of an SU10! The setting you're looking for is 'AltGrp', which is the 4th option in a pad's Edit menu. On other samplers it's variously called Mute Group, Exclusion Group, Choke or Cutoff - basically it assigns polyphonic pads to a group within which all playback is monophonic (great for e.g. having a closed hi-hat sample cut off an open hi-hat sample, because on a real drum kit they would never be heard simultaneously). Only the SU10 you only get OFF, 1, 2 or 3, which is a bit limited - but hey, everything on the SU10 is a bit limited :) Hope that helps!
@@_syphus damn I never tried this one, thanks a lot! Thanks for explaining, I'm at the beginning in sampling. I just bought an Akai S20 too (he's coming), I think the SU10 would be very interesting combining to an other sampler, the scale function is very great, the ribbon controller add something to the way of use.
About the scale function : do you know if it's possible to record something, scale it and resample it on the SU10? This is a very cool function but you can't play whit it when playing a song, that's sad :(
And... last question lol : do you chop the samples on the SU10? Actually I'm sampling some vinyls, and to save some bytes on the memory I try to chop manually the samples directly on the turntable, it's a great training, but a little bit long. I can use my computer to chop on a DAW but I really want to make it without modern things, except of my speaker ahah
Thanks, stay safe
@@_syphus sorry one more question! When I'm playing a song, who's during for e.g. 30 seconds, if I press a pad at 29 seconds, the sample would stop when the song start again. It's a sample who's not used yet on the song, totally separated... have you got this problem too?
No, the SU10 has no resampling and you can't use scale playback while playing other samples. One of its biggest limitations :(
And yes, when the song loops, all pads cut out - another limitation. Someone else asked about this in the comments; the only thing to do is manually retrigger or keep re-recording the song until it's timed just right!
How exactly did you record these jams? You said ‘straight to IPhone’ but could you elaborate please? Excellent work by the way. My SU10 should be arriving in the coming week. This is some pretty inspirational stuff. Thanks.
Sure, I used a cheap (like
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😎🤘😎🤘
Would the q75 or any of the q sequencers be a good pairing with this?
I've got a QY70 that I use mostly as a synth, but it can absolutely drive the SU10 from its sequencer via MIDI, yeah. Any hardware sequencer that has conventional MIDI event tracks will work - QY100, earlier Yamaha 'walkstation' sequencers, Novation Circuit, Roland MC-505, probably some of Roland's newer grooveboxes, etc. I haven't heard of the Q75 (maybe a typo?). I once had a Yamaha RY9 'Big Jam' drum machine that could drive the SU10 on a MIDI track - same form factor and button layout as the SU10, so a very good companion.
@@_syphus Saw someone do it with Volca Sampler.
Ninsei noir is fire
beatiful!