Very clean game from LoueMT, DeMuslim did almost everything right as Delhi but still Loue just responded really well to the keep spam and kept his trebs safe for a long time.
That was a cool Rus style. Playing it spearless with the kremlin, pulling an easy 230 g/min with two hunting cabins and a HTH. and sealing it with a spatskia on the main contested gold while clearing the sacred sites to choke out the opposition.
This is very good idea. Does raise the question as to why there isn't a simple check system in place already post generation for the majors like markets/sacred sites, where if they are missing the map is regenerated before the game begins.
The benefit of pres-gen is the new element to each game. Playing from slight strengths and weaknesses across the land. But yeah rarely we get some stinkers.
With regards to the map spawns. Rather than creating a limited preset map pool that would likely be memorized by top players, maybe machine learning could be utilized to review generated maps to determine if the balance is close or not, and force a map to regenerate if it determines that the map is too unbalanced.
I could see using pre gen maps for tournies but for regular play I like the randomness and also I don’t really like the idea of being in a match and feeling like my opponent has that particular map gen memorized at I don’t.
Thank you for all the amazing content and in-depth analysis. Because of you, I have started to become fascinated with esports, partly because I appreciate the depth of analysis compared to mainstream sports like soccer or basketball. With soccer, I often doze off, but I have never fallen asleep during a Drongo Cast.
a trick for kremlin in lower rank games is to build it on the enemy's resources and follow up with a 2nd tc next to it and then make a stable and archery range to lock the enemy in his base
Drongo, finally I beat the hardest IA 4 times today to finish my maestries. Tower rush is the best option. Put 5 villagers at the begining to take 2 times wood and send it to the enemy base with 200 wood. If you make a tower when they try to age up, the IA go crazy. Finnally!!! All maestries finished XD
4:35 Sacred sites actually spanwed equally balanced. Middle sacred site is near the rus player while upper sacred site is near abbasid player. What are you talking about.
Can someone explain me why Loue is massing horsemen and archers vs armored knights despite having plenty of gold mines nearby and a decent supply of gold waiting to be spent?
Does chopping off wood after the cabin is built now reduce it's income? My cabin's income decrease the less tree it has around and everywhere they write it doesnt matter, only when it's built. I'm playing the Rus campaign btw.
I can't find a source for this, but I think I've heard someone confirm that cows do produce bounty but can't be pro scouted. In fact, isn't it only deer that can be carried? I know you can't carry boars, and I don't think anyone has ever tried to carry sheep.
How though, trying to control two scouts and getting villagers to chop two different forests is hard. APM required is insane. Becuase the vills start mining into the trees after they chopped and have to drop it off at base.
Been away for like 4-5 months, and come back to this archer meta. But I have a very serious question: Why don't I see Rus, even when they do age 3 with Abbey, use warrior monks + Fervor (specially now that the tech is buffed) when they have balls of archers? +2 attack and +1 armor, on archer battles, and ppl just don't go for it? Why?! EDIT: vs armored the impact is even bigger. As a knight may have 6 armor in age 3, a 9 attack veteran archer (7+2) would deal 3 damage. With +2 damage, it would ramp up to 5 damage, which is a 66% increase (!!!). Please someone explain to me why this 120 res warrior monk + 425g Fervor is almost never seen.
Without pres-gen a player remembering all the combinations of said map would know where everything is at start, I'm glad it is randomized, not for that aspect but all the linear or maps designed for pro play are stale and boing in other games.
Love playing mega random. Not a fan of playing a map where someone has thousands of hours practice on to know how many deer spawns there are or if the trade posts are middle or corner for example
13:55 .... look I like you alot Drongo. But why is smurfing so widely accepted? DONT DO IT. It sucks. It sucks for people that are not pros and want to play against other casuals. Why do you have to make other accounts? Its just for bashing casual players for your ego. If you want to try out new strategies and stuff, you can go either against AI or play unranked.
It's better to just make good map scripts than have predetermined map scripts but it's not the worst idea. The problem is that it's a hit to replayability as you can only play 20 maps before you know how to play them. That's the advantage of RMS as it least to adaptation and strategic thinking rather than just preplanning. A slightly lopsided map has a much smaller impact on who wins than people always say. If you lose die to a map you really lost because you didn't scout and adapt to the map. Balance is overrated. A key feature of Aoe2 is very small imbalances in maps and civs which create great games and new thinking. The key words of course are very small and is very hard to achieve in aoe4 as everything is just bigger and stronger.
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Very clean game from LoueMT, DeMuslim did almost everything right as Delhi but still Loue just responded really well to the keep spam and kept his trebs safe for a long time.
That was a cool Rus style.
Playing it spearless with the kremlin, pulling an easy 230 g/min with two hunting cabins and a HTH. and sealing it with a spatskia on the main contested gold while clearing the sacred sites to choke out the opposition.
You can have scoring function (eg. Penalty for missing things and imbalances) - generate multiple maps in advance and discard ones with low score.
This is very good idea. Does raise the question as to why there isn't a simple check system in place already post generation for the majors like markets/sacred sites, where if they are missing the map is regenerated before the game begins.
The benefit of pres-gen is the new element to each game. Playing from slight strengths and weaknesses across the land. But yeah rarely we get some stinkers.
With regards to the map spawns. Rather than creating a limited preset map pool that would likely be memorized by top players, maybe machine learning could be utilized to review generated maps to determine if the balance is close or not, and force a map to regenerate if it determines that the map is too unbalanced.
Big Gz on 100k well deserved :D
I could see using pre gen maps for tournies but for regular play I like the randomness and also I don’t really like the idea of being in a match and feeling like my opponent has that particular map gen memorized at I don’t.
yep definitely this.
100k subs, congrats Drongo. Weil deserved
Thank you for all the amazing content and in-depth analysis. Because of you, I have started to become fascinated with esports, partly because I appreciate the depth of analysis compared to mainstream sports like soccer or basketball. With soccer, I often doze off, but I have never fallen asleep during a Drongo Cast.
kremlin is so fun to use, it also makes sense for 2 TC rus because it can be placed near stone and saves you 175 wood
a trick for kremlin in lower rank games is to build it on the enemy's resources and follow up with a 2nd tc next to it and then make a stable and archery range to lock the enemy in his base
so good to see 6 villagers. normal and good
Damn, I cant wait to test that hunting cabin dig strategy! :D
double cabin in the woods. I am a fan.
30:20 Beastyqt living rent-free in drongos mind
there's the OG drongo right there
Drongo, finally I beat the hardest IA 4 times today to finish my maestries. Tower rush is the best option. Put 5 villagers at the begining to take 2 times wood and send it to the enemy base with 200 wood. If you make a tower when they try to age up, the IA go crazy. Finnally!!! All maestries finished XD
I think that if you toggle Overview Statistics at the bottom left it will show you current Rus Bounty.
4:35 Sacred sites actually spanwed equally balanced. Middle sacred site is near the rus player while upper sacred site is near abbasid player. What are you talking about.
Delhi player sorry
There is literally not a single sacred site on that map that's closer to Delhi's TC than it is to Rus' TC.
Mangos were OP back in the day, but now they're to be laughed at
this is literally my suggestion from day 1 of the game. big surprise people take a year to figure sht out.
What if the starting resources around your base were always the same but everything outside is procedurally generated
Can someone explain me why Loue is massing horsemen and archers vs armored knights despite having plenty of gold mines nearby and a decent supply of gold waiting to be spent?
Does chopping off wood after the cabin is built now reduce it's income? My cabin's income decrease the less tree it has around and everywhere they write it doesnt matter, only when it's built.
I'm playing the Rus campaign btw.
"It's a surprise tool that will help us later!"
Can anyone answer these questions for me? Can professional scouts pick up dead Malian cows? Do cow kills count towards Rus bounty?
Damn good question.
I can't find a source for this, but I think I've heard someone confirm that cows do produce bounty but can't be pro scouted. In fact, isn't it only deer that can be carried? I know you can't carry boars, and I don't think anyone has ever tried to carry sheep.
@@diggoran thank you. I can't play so I only watch. Was just thinking for team games how well Rus and Mali could benefit each other.
@@johnathanpebley can pro scouts pick up boar?
@@chrisnewtownnsw don't play the game so wouldn't know.
As a rus main i started doing this since your last upload with this strat
How though, trying to control two scouts and getting villagers to chop two different forests is hard. APM required is insane. Becuase the vills start mining into the trees after they chopped and have to drop it off at base.
@@MrSqaz2wsx Scouts require less micro now as you can queue deer and then queue attack move so they will auto search for wolves
Fantastic! MORE RUS
What a game
i dont think idling all those villagers for those forward keeps paid off when he could've been setting up farms to outproduce the rus player.
Where are u with the stream big drongo?
I don't believe the imbalance is not on purpose, as a engine/game programmer, it's quite an easy fix generated or not.
Good game!
Drongo we want the china build order videos and china game play drongo please we all started watching as china mains!!!
Been away for like 4-5 months, and come back to this archer meta. But I have a very serious question: Why don't I see Rus, even when they do age 3 with Abbey, use warrior monks + Fervor (specially now that the tech is buffed) when they have balls of archers? +2 attack and +1 armor, on archer battles, and ppl just don't go for it? Why?!
EDIT: vs armored the impact is even bigger. As a knight may have 6 armor in age 3, a 9 attack veteran archer (7+2) would deal 3 damage. With +2 damage, it would ramp up to 5 damage, which is a 66% increase (!!!). Please someone explain to me why this 120 res warrior monk + 425g Fervor is almost never seen.
Without pres-gen a player remembering all the combinations of said map would know where everything is at start, I'm glad it is randomized, not for that aspect but all the linear or maps designed for pro play are stale and boing in other games.
begins the video with "delhi is the best civ." Delhi loses.
The game ended with no winner? Match just completed?
Love playing mega random. Not a fan of playing a map where someone has thousands of hours practice on to know how many deer spawns there are or if the trade posts are middle or corner for example
why no elephants he is playing delhi
Drongo we want china back
the map generation sometimes is shit... I play a lot on mountain pass and the market is 90% times close to my base :(
13:55 ....
look I like you alot Drongo. But why is smurfing so widely accepted? DONT DO IT. It sucks. It sucks for people that are not pros and want to play against other casuals.
Why do you have to make other accounts? Its just for bashing casual players for your ego. If you want to try out new strategies and stuff, you can go either against AI or play unranked.
You need to be also high level for that strat so may be they like it. But smurf acc for pros is almost in the same rank of top playera
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It's better to just make good map scripts than have predetermined map scripts but it's not the worst idea. The problem is that it's a hit to replayability as you can only play 20 maps before you know how to play them. That's the advantage of RMS as it least to adaptation and strategic thinking rather than just preplanning. A slightly lopsided map has a much smaller impact on who wins than people always say. If you lose die to a map you really lost because you didn't scout and adapt to the map. Balance is overrated. A key feature of Aoe2 is very small imbalances in maps and civs which create great games and new thinking. The key words of course are very small and is very hard to achieve in aoe4 as everything is just bigger and stronger.