Slightly nerfed with the Codex of Power change but still a strong & fun Build. Welcome to my updated Thorns Barbarian. Enjoy! Planner: d4builds.gg/builds/acd97309-4fb5-4f88-bd2e-275c48fa50f7/ Timecodes: 0:00 Gameplay 12:17 Stats 13:35 Gear 18:38 Weapon Expertise 19:07 Skill Tree 20:38 Paragon Boards
I think there is a difference between nerf and fix ... you know as all of us that the codex was broken. So pls .. stop saying they are just nerfing and nerfing.The Barbarian is strong, I'm able to do 70's without problem ... and in my personal opinion is the king of PVP the only class who is able to kill me is another barbarian... or a rogue .... after 10 tries
Hey Rob. I see you're getting there with thorns. Small tip from a thorns main: use the fire damage around you while berserking to inflict vulnerabilty on all close enemies BEFORE they hit you so when they hit you they take the full force of the thorns immediately and you don't have to wait for the second hit.
@@justinhaynes917 it would be usable if it was one handed axe, but since it's 2-handed you can't use it on thorns build because you need the 2 thorns aspects on your both weapons.
When it comes to suppressor mobs, if the thing causing the damage starts before you enter the bubble it won't hurt them. You have to initiate the damage inside the bubble.
it's not just that. Suppressor is a "Physical" elemental modifier, meaning it has vastly increased resistance to physical damage. This is why mirroring and hellcaller mobs are also weirdly resistant to phys damage. The reason why other elementals don't seem to be resistant to their own is because resists are broken right now for players and monsters, only physical resist (armor) is working.
Thorns with a basic attack build that uses Frenzy for the DR and drops core skill while using two brawler skills such as charge and leap Side note: a basic attack Barb build does some serious damage
deathblow can also apply berserking for 3 seconds when it hits an enemy for pretty much 100% berserking uptime as long as you're able to hit/kill at least 1 enemy with it to refresh the cd.
GL with getting the gears... his attack powers is 12.8K.. my barb is lvl 86 @ 7K attack powers.. thorns over 20K as well buff.. i was doing NM 50 and a ton of monsters all hit same time and they can kill you.. i was constantly chucking potions.. cant find any upgrades for a while..
Rob sensei your build planner shows Rend and Lunging Strike, but on the Skill tree you have points in Flay and no points in Lunging Strike. So how you using Lunging Strike and why do you have poinits in Flay?
I'm up to 35k thorns I find vulnerable, strength, dmg while berserk and close dmg is the best scaling. Rings Have more like and I have good armor but I can't think of a way to get stronger or more tanky so I can't break past tier 52
@Rob2628 I do as well. If there was a way to keep barrier up or I may need to Increase my defense while fortified. Also using axes for stat stickes helps since they are all dmg to healthy but still damage caps
I came across your rend build video from a month ago. I really love the build. But i noticed you havent really played it or made another video about it since launch. Is rend just not worth it in the end game? Am i stuck playing hota 😞
As someone new to the diablo series, and as a barb main, this is giving me bofuri anime vibes. Love it. Idc if it takes me an eternity to kill a boss, as long as I don’t die.
i would love to see a frenzy build from you, since nobody is doing basic damage attacks build. There is a necklace that buff frenzy pretty nicely. I hope in the future they will buff other passives that allow basic attack to be good.
There is one guy and I built my version of it today. Hella fun. I've only taken I to 50s but it was smooth and a blast. I think k the UA-camrs name is odinata
i use it on my basic attack thorn barb. can clear dungeons 13 lvls higher than me. i copied most of the build from the thorn barb who cleared an nm dungeon 100
I was wondering about thus combined with the aspect that heals you while enemies are around and juar going afk in a hugh spawn. Rate area for passive exp gain. Primarily wanted to try this when there was the cursed chest infinite spawn bug in dungeons.
Ive been trying to keep an eye out for good defensive rolls with thorns but getting good gear rolls is really hard. There is so much selling and clicking...😥
Hi Rob i like your builds. Have you managed to make a build that uses overkill and death blow ? Theres an aspect that incrases weapon mastery damage by 200% when on 2 hand. Then maybe pair it with kick that consumes all fury to get that 200 %... what do you think ?
Don’t think the codex works anymore for broken #s. I just found a new sword drop for 2h slot, went to codex to apply thorns. Yesterday I was getting in the neighborhood of 7K thorns this way, today I’m getting 4500ish. Pissed because I scrapped all my aspects in the bank knowing I could get better from Codex. Not the case now….
And will he beat Lilith, that's interesting to me, or only 2 builds hota and ww have a chance, if so, it's very sad to see barba again weak on single target like with d3
I started with thorns at release and it worked like a charm. Great leveling speed, tanky af, but some bosses are time consuming af. Ancients ultimate drastically helped in that regard. Besides of that, absolute recommendation.
how does this work on the upper end of pushing, lets say above tier 80? killing mobs shouldnt be a problem i guess but im a little worried about the survivability...?!
Hi Rob, how do you get the 'revenge' glyph going? I have added all the willpower but I am still unable to get 25 willpower for the requirement. Can anyone help me please :(
Hello , ( i'm new in this game ) how does he apply the vulnerability on mobs, with thorn damage?? Otherwise it's an excellent video, I hope to be able to make a build as powerful as this one
It seems like the shortcomings of this thorns build is single target. So as a change, I would run double swing for constant vulnerable uptime and single target dps, flay for bleeding and thorns, and still have reason enough to run crit chance/damage on gear.
The shortcoming of any thorns build is the fact that you need to wait for a mob to attack you and for projectile to hit you, so it's automatically makes it the slowest build possible.
@@Nolan431 Yes, exactly. Which is why I would run double swing with ramaladnis. This build seemed to hold it's own mobbing, but the boss dps and dps on some elites was only good when he was being hit. Probably because rend was nerfed into the ground.
The problem with the developers is they watch the pros stream and disregard the average player. Then they nerf it and screw us over. And since theyll watch this and nerf it, it would be interesting if Rob put on the chains to drag in the enemies.
If vulnerable doesn't proc until after the first hit of thorns, would it be better to have a main weapon that does damage to injured enemies instead of healthy?
You don’t have to. There is a guy who did NM100 with his Thorn Build recently. He hasn’t either Razorplate, nor any Gems or Gear related to Thorns equipped at all.
@@mailor3333 he is not playing another game than we do lol. If someone can aquire the needed gear than ofc he is able to complete NM100 cuz that is how it works. All I was sayhing was that you dont need Thorns on any item and the guy I mentioned just proved it.
how does he get 11k,900dmg on his two handed axe aspect? is it a bug or just luck based in some way i have never goten it over 5-6k max roll for two handed wepon is there some sort of exploit? can you please tell me how you did that?
I've seen several Thorns builds without Razorplate. I agree you loose way too much in terms of offensive capabilities without a regular ancestral chest that can be min/maxed. Also do you think this can work with Steel Grasp? That can give you vulnerable and extend berserk as well. I am trying to get an ancestral Ancients Oath to try and make Steel Grasp work as I love me some scorpion gameplay, plus it's an axe
Slightly nerfed with the Codex of Power change but still a strong & fun Build. Welcome to my updated Thorns Barbarian. Enjoy!
Planner: d4builds.gg/builds/acd97309-4fb5-4f88-bd2e-275c48fa50f7/
Timecodes:
0:00 Gameplay
12:17 Stats
13:35 Gear
18:38 Weapon Expertise
19:07 Skill Tree
20:38 Paragon Boards
are u planing to do a thorns necromancer ?
Paying for robs dox. Need to show him a lesson for nerfing barb and enabling bugs. Pm me 🎉😅😊
I think there is a difference between nerf and fix ... you know as all of us that the codex was broken. So pls .. stop saying they are just nerfing and nerfing.The Barbarian is strong, I'm able to do 70's without problem ... and in my personal opinion is the king of PVP the only class who is able to kill me is another barbarian... or a rogue .... after 10 tries
imo chains with 3 charges and vul is better than rend for speed farming with this, and more fun to use
How did you get to 11 k thorns on the death wish aspect it's over the limit?
Hey Rob. I see you're getting there with thorns. Small tip from a thorns main: use the fire damage around you while berserking to inflict vulnerabilty on all close enemies BEFORE they hit you so when they hit you they take the full force of the thorns immediately and you don't have to wait for the second hit.
On what gear piece do you run that?
@@ScreamingLeechprobably boots or gloves
Or you can just use the unique 2h axe that gives you stupid steel grasp cooldown and keep everything vulnerable.
How do fire make them vulnarable?
@@justinhaynes917 it would be usable if it was one handed axe, but since it's 2-handed you can't use it on thorns build because you need the 2 thorns aspects on your both weapons.
When it comes to suppressor mobs, if the thing causing the damage starts before you enter the bubble it won't hurt them. You have to initiate the damage inside the bubble.
it's not just that. Suppressor is a "Physical" elemental modifier, meaning it has vastly increased resistance to physical damage. This is why mirroring and hellcaller mobs are also weirdly resistant to phys damage. The reason why other elementals don't seem to be resistant to their own is because resists are broken right now for players and monsters, only physical resist (armor) is working.
Oh I’ve been waiting for this
The Planner is a bit different than the vid, which build would you say is more practical
I would LOVE to see you make a pvp build specifically the paragon board there’s tons of damage to elite nodes
Nice but I got a question why your build is different from the planner?
Thorns with a basic attack build that uses Frenzy for the DR and drops core skill while using two brawler skills such as charge and leap
Side note: a basic attack Barb build does some serious damage
Like frenzy/kick/leap? That sounds like fun but gear dependent. You would need battle trance and ramaldis sword right?
12:12 Is it just me that doesn't understand how he gets this high roll from the Codex of Power?
they got rid of that in a patch, i think
On the D4build planner it shows Flay as the primary attack instead of Lunging Strike.
deathblow can also apply berserking for 3 seconds when it hits an enemy for pretty much 100% berserking uptime as long as you're able to hit/kill at least 1 enemy with it to refresh the cd.
Just got the razorplate with max thorn stats from a T4 world boss. Think I am going to create a barb now lol.
lmao nice this is the build I plan on trying out for the new season... Thank you so much for your Necromancer bone spear build as well.
GL with getting the gears... his attack powers is 12.8K.. my barb is lvl 86 @ 7K attack powers.. thorns over 20K as well buff.. i was doing NM 50 and a ton of monsters all hit same time and they can kill you.. i was constantly chucking potions.. cant find any upgrades for a while..
I play hybrid build of ww and thorns. Very effektive and more fun then pure thorn. Why are you not using whirl wind? What is rend good for?
rend is spreading and extending vulnerable, while inflicting bleeds to quickly get disobedience stacks.
how did you get high thorns 11,939 aspect on your weapon, max shows 6,718?
Rob sensei your build planner shows Rend and Lunging Strike, but on the Skill tree you have points in Flay and no points in Lunging Strike. So how you using Lunging Strike and why do you have poinits in Flay?
This guy single handedly destroying this game. Predicting tons of players dropping the game season 1.
I'm up to 35k thorns
I find vulnerable, strength, dmg while berserk and close dmg is the best scaling. Rings Have more like and I have good armor but I can't think of a way to get stronger or more tanky so I can't break past tier 52
35k Dang that pretty big - I use a lot of defensive Aspects like disobedience on Amulet for 75% Armor maybe that helps! GGL
Don't use green gems, use blue ones. I don't think 1250 thorns is worth it to give up 5 gem slots when Razorplate already gives you so much.
@Rob2628 I do as well. If there was a way to keep barrier up or I may need to Increase my defense while fortified. Also using axes for stat stickes helps since they are all dmg to healthy but still damage caps
@@theobell2002 I'll give it a try, thanks
Is Thorns Barbarian still going to be viable after the defensive nerfs for Season 1? I had planned on starting this, but now I'm not for sure.
Gerade mit einem Kumpel über einen Dornen Build philosophiert. Danke fürs Video Rob! ;)
Thank you for this! I have been wanting an updated Thorns.
I came across your rend build video from a month ago. I really love the build. But i noticed you havent really played it or made another video about it since launch. Is rend just not worth it in the end game? Am i stuck playing hota 😞
As someone new to the diablo series, and as a barb main, this is giving me bofuri anime vibes. Love it. Idc if it takes me an eternity to kill a boss, as long as I don’t die.
Do you plan on making a guide for rend/rupture bleed build for end game or is it not viable?
i got a thorns build i'm not revealing until s1 so it doesn't get pre-nerfed lol but you're getting close
Noon. Tell me I'm trying to refine my futher,
Yes please
Yo Rob, for the thorns build. Wouldnt the quest necklace that gives almost 3k max life be like BiS for a thorns build?
It's 2k, nowhere near to 3k. I have the necklace fully upgraded.
I wanna see Uber lilith get smoked while you're just standing there, it's gonna be epic 😂
that would be a blast! But Lilith attack frequency isn’t enough for constant dmg atm
Any update for season one? i notice your planner for chest armor is not razor plate
I found razor plate
i would love to see a frenzy build from you, since nobody is doing basic damage attacks build. There is a necklace that buff frenzy pretty nicely. I hope in the future they will buff other passives that allow basic attack to be good.
There is one guy and I built my version of it today. Hella fun. I've only taken I to 50s but it was smooth and a blast. I think k the UA-camrs name is odinata
Did anyone else find that frenzy even with the necklace doesn't attack as fast as lunging strike? I felt like something was working wrong there.
i use it on my basic attack thorn barb. can clear dungeons 13 lvls higher than me. i copied most of the build from the thorn barb who cleared an nm dungeon 100
I was wondering about thus combined with the aspect that heals you while enemies are around and juar going afk in a hugh spawn. Rate area for passive exp gain. Primarily wanted to try this when there was the cursed chest infinite spawn bug in dungeons.
Does weapon dmg matters at all? Or item level besides slightly higher roll on the secondary stats?
Dmg to close is better thank Core skill dmg?
Ive been trying to keep an eye out for good defensive rolls with thorns but getting good gear rolls is really hard. There is so much selling and clicking...😥
should i replace my crit damage with weapons on my WW/thorns? Matt jestic use them on his thorns build..
Hi Rob, is it possible to kill Uber Lilith with that build ? thanks
can you do this while channeling WW?
okay but what did you pick for your first board selection?
Hi Rob i like your builds. Have you managed to make a build that uses overkill and death blow ? Theres an aspect that incrases weapon mastery damage by 200% when on 2 hand. Then maybe pair it with kick that consumes all fury to get that 200 %... what do you think ?
How is the cooldown on the shouts so low?
I see them randomly refreshing.
Don’t think the codex works anymore for broken #s. I just found a new sword drop for 2h slot, went to codex to apply thorns. Yesterday I was getting in the neighborhood of 7K thorns this way, today I’m getting 4500ish. Pissed because I scrapped all my aspects in the bank knowing I could get better from Codex. Not the case now….
And will he beat Lilith, that's interesting to me, or only 2 builds hota and ww have a chance, if so, it's very sad to see barba again weak on single target like with d3
I cannot get razor plate to drop
Is hey bro is this the same build you used for PvP?
Nice build masterchief of the barbarians! We need a l
Echo of lilith best encounter build
Any chance of an early thorns build for levelling in season 1? Or is it highly gear dependent?
Early game doesn’t matter. But from like 50-100 gear is everything
I started with thorns at release and it worked like a charm. Great leveling speed, tanky af, but some bosses are time consuming af. Ancients ultimate drastically helped in that regard. Besides of that, absolute recommendation.
@@polkhigh_33 nice sounds good, hopefully get some early thorns gear drops in S1
Why don't you use steel grasp to give you more berserking? The steel grasp 2h unique is really good too.
which is better leveling build to barbarian ?
Can you sort the last of the maxroll builds for barbs please.
Hi Rob. how to get the gain figure 11,939 Thorns on the Weapon?
Is +3 counteroffensive better than +3 tough as nails on amulet?
how does this work on the upper end of pushing, lets say above tier 80? killing mobs shouldnt be a problem i guess but im a little worried about the survivability...?!
you need crazy fast health regen..with life on kills.. might work
Hi Rob, how do you get the 'revenge' glyph going? I have added all the willpower but I am still unable to get 25 willpower for the requirement. Can anyone help me please :(
So the dual axe would be better right?
Curious...given that ideally crit% is not a priority for this build...would there be a better Aspect choice than Accelerating for the 1hander?
why Dex on the helm? :)
For my last Paragonboard unlocks
Hello , ( i'm new in this game ) how does he apply the vulnerability on mobs, with thorn damage??
Otherwise it's an excellent video, I hope to be able to make a build as powerful as this one
I guess Exploit gylph, and he mentiones Rend (see "Enhanced Rend").
Is this a good disconnect proof build for HC?
It seems like the shortcomings of this thorns build is single target. So as a change, I would run double swing for constant vulnerable uptime and single target dps, flay for bleeding and thorns, and still have reason enough to run crit chance/damage on gear.
The shortcoming of any thorns build is the fact that you need to wait for a mob to attack you and for projectile to hit you, so it's automatically makes it the slowest build possible.
@@Nolan431 Yes, exactly. Which is why I would run double swing with ramaladnis. This build seemed to hold it's own mobbing, but the boss dps and dps on some elites was only good when he was being hit. Probably because rend was nerfed into the ground.
@@googleplaynow9608smart choice. Here’s a 🌮.
U can test this build in NM Tier 100?
how did you manage to get do great CDR?
Hello,
Why are you putting critical strike on your stuff when they say the Thorn doesn't take critical damage !? I may have missed something... 😢
The problem with the developers is they watch the pros stream and disregard the average player. Then they nerf it and screw us over. And since theyll watch this and nerf it, it would be interesting if Rob put on the chains to drag in the enemies.
How do you keep berserking up?
Blizz: 👀👀👀
If vulnerable doesn't proc until after the first hit of thorns, would it be better to have a main weapon that does damage to injured enemies instead of healthy?
Injured is below 35% health and healthy is above 80%
as usual sleeper op haircut 🤙🏻
Blizzar : we haven`t nerft the barbarian enough ...
New patch incoming ...
Please tell me, is your build with the vortex no longer relevant?
Does 10,000 thorns mean 10k damage? What’s a safe number of thorns to have
Does anyone know if edgemaster aspect will increase thorn damage?
Lvl 90 atm, Used a thorns build early on, but I am thinking about going back as my RazorPlate is so good.
im 86 and i use thorns /WW
Can this build works against uber lilith?
How does this fair in tier 90+ nm?
How are you applying vulnerable
random question but why is your chest 4/5 upgraded?
Sorry guys but about the second ring what he say? Cant understand well sry😅
Can you kill uber lilith with this?
Diablo devs watch Rob break the game with druid; proceed to nerf barb in patch....
I'm level 86, I've yet to see a single piece of Razorplate.
I got mine when I was geting pl on my level 50 rouge
@@riddledbannana9764 Pl?
before the nerf i was hitting 2-3m on my thorn now its around 2m-2.5m all of us have to go find a good roll of thorns on weapon again.
You don’t have to. There is a guy who did NM100 with his Thorn Build recently. He hasn’t either Razorplate, nor any Gems or Gear related to Thorns equipped at all.
Not worth it just because he made it to nm100 doesn't mean you will i try that build from murder channel.
@@mailor3333 he is not playing another game than we do lol. If someone can aquire the needed gear than ofc he is able to complete NM100 cuz that is how it works. All I was sayhing was that you dont need Thorns on any item and the guy I mentioned just proved it.
"- Feel free to add in Steel Grasp for more Berserking and drop your Basic Skill" What are you taking points out of though to get steel grasp?
Rob, Does walking arsenal buff works on thorns damage?
yes, walking arsenal works!
@@Rob2628 Oh boy...Any chance we make a Hybrid thorns arsenal build? Right now I am running 3 shouts, Lunging strike, Rend, Hota
Spin2win + thorns works?
how does he get 11k,900dmg on his two handed axe aspect? is it a bug or just luck based in some way i have never goten it over 5-6k max roll for two handed wepon is there some sort of exploit? can you please tell me how you did that?
Not sure how this works. When he gets hit he loses 0 hp.
I just die when i get hit as thorn also triggers.
The builds was indeed nerfed in the recent patch. Good job blizzard for nerfing the bottom class :)
Is there early game build for this ?
What is the codex of power change?
does lucky hit work with thorns?
Rob, can I ask you to make a build with walking arsenal?
On the list!
Thorn + HOTA works?
can thorns realistically kill uber lilith?
why is your thorns so high when you beserk aspect? mine is only 4k on 2hwep im lvl 90
I've seen several Thorns builds without Razorplate. I agree you loose way too much in terms of offensive capabilities without a regular ancestral chest that can be min/maxed. Also do you think this can work with Steel Grasp? That can give you vulnerable and extend berserk as well. I am trying to get an ancestral Ancients Oath to try and make Steel Grasp work as I love me some scorpion gameplay, plus it's an axe
I use Steel Grasp. Up time for berserk and vulnerable is a non issue.
Steelgrasp is way better than lunge.
Please do some pvp vids with that build
Working on that! Thanks for the idea.
i think with 3 shout you can go to any build
How does it stands against Lilith? Is it good?
Sadly Lilith does hit us often enough to deal good dmg
Whats the highest Nd level to go with this build?
I would say like 70-80 realistically. I heard from some viewer they blasted with this in the 90s but I personally haven't done that
@@Rob2628what barb build is best for nd pushing except ww?
@@jog967 HOTA i think
This works on pve too? Ty
how u have 100% uptime on Berserk ?