Best to think of it as a historical period piece, not a western. A narrative of what the first pioneers went through based on a promise - the promised land and lifestyle for those who dared travel and inhabit wild spaces, not realizing that the wild spaces weren't empty... I look forward to seeing movie 2. I'd see the first one again. There's some great acting and beautiful cinematography.
So did once upon a time in America still a masterpiece same as heaven's gate it's got hate n both are box office bombs but both are now considered both masterpieces now
The Wizard of Oz bombed, as did It's a Wonderful Life, both of which have left a big mark on American culture. Absolutely right to point out that opening weekend doesn't mean a whole lot in this case. Also, I love Waterworld, haha. It's got its fans, despite being known as a financial disappointment.
Now if it's not SUper heroes bullshit stuff the audience is not interesting. 15 years of ame mac donals genra educated the audience to think this is only Cinema.
Westerns were meant to be told this way , it’s being put out like a novel and no one reads anymore. You get some story from this group, then this group and eventually they are all going to collide . After this story is done , I’d love to see Kevin direct some Louis La’mour novels like comestock lode , the lonesome Gods , the Californio’s. If they were put out like Horizon is being done they would probably be the greatest film adaptations of a novel ever. I like the approach to time on this movie , it takes it’s time to tell the story.
Agreed. Never knew about this movie until drove by the local theater and saw the poster. Then looked at a trailer online to see what it was about. The trailer really did not do this movie any justice nor pique my interest. Never seen any advertising on TV either.
@@Largentina. I knew about the movie from watching yellowstone and reading about it being in production but I didn't even know it released. The advertising was awful considering I wanted to see it when it came out.
I saw zero advertising for this movie until just the other day. I only knew about it because I was checking someone's filmography and saw they'd done this project recently.
Went to see Horizon with the wife, we both loved it and would watch it again. More importantly, we will be going to see Part 2. Also, the theater had the biggest crowd I've seen in 4-5 years. My only complaint is that it could have been edited a little better, some scene changes were kind of abrupt.
Just saw Horizon part one and thought it was great. Great acting, gorgeous landscapes and handles the battles with Indians in a historical non political way.
I went and watched this the other day and absolutely loved it. It is a little slow at parts but it does a lot of world building and the second one looks like it is going to be amazing.
Actually chapters 1 and 2 together is 100 million it's 50 million each film so all up it's 200 million dollar budget for 4 movies. Most movies are 250 million + but Kevin Costner made four movies for 200 million.
Tentpoles are commonly 250 million +. Most movies don't cost that much. But yeah, it's a lot of money, but all things considered, not *that* much money.
Kevin had private investors that gave him $100 million. Kevin spent another $40+ million of his own to get to this point . So Horizon has LOST $100 Million so far. And Chapter 2 has been cancelled because the theater owners know it's going to Flop even worse, so they don't want any part of it. Chapter 3 and 4 are toast.
@@mr.dccomics9018 Endgame wasn't a western, a genre that is not appealing for mass audience in 21sr century and was a finale of a 20+ movies saga. Horizon is the first part. And it's more like a tv series. Why watch it now when you would want to watch the whole 4 (or more) parta when they come out?
Horizon will go down as the singular best saga of the west ever made. It is a 4 piece drama, judge it after you have seen it all!!! Costner is a western genius and will go down in movie history for this saga!!!
It absolutely matters because Costner needs to demonstrate the success of the first film so that he can get financing to shoot 3 and 4. He has exhausted his own finances and is appealing to billionaires to help him finish the films.
He's filming Chapter 3 right now n chapter 4 is in development nothing will stop these films being released its almost finish anyways. Costner filming them all back to back. He's gonna release all 4 regardless how it does at the box office.
This got me picturing him begging Elon Musk for financing, who agrees on the condition that he gets one (terrible) cameo. I dislike Musk, but I wouldn't blame Costner for taking such an approach, haha.
Yeah, that part caught me a bit off guard. It's remembered better than it was received at the time, but still, not exactly widely agreed to be a classic.
I don't care I love this film n gonna see the other 3 chapters. It's a 11 hour epic western film released in four chapters. I love it n glad U do too I hate stupid people n so many exist now
This film bombed but it doesn't matter , cause now it is not question to be honest and good enough!!! But this film is going to change film history and point of view of western film!!!
Very disappointing they got me on the first one, but I won’t be wasting my time with any of the others dances with wolves Yellowstone 1883 Lonesome Dove classics I would be more than happy to watch a second time. This one was a waste of my time very disappointing.
I’m so annoyed part 2 has been delayed. There are a lot of problems with this movie but I can’t stop thinking about it. Unlike Deadpool and Wolverine, which I haven’t thought much about since.
I can answer why the movie bombed. It was awful, and painful to watch. The movie kept skipping around where no one could make sense of what is going on or who is who in the movie. Don’t go see it. Save your money. They knew when they put this out that this movie is terrible, but they pushed it out thinking that we would go to watch it because Kevin is in it.
I saw the trailer, and it looked incredibly "MEH".... I am usually a sucker for a great western epic, but the vibes in the trailer just was sooooo blah and uninteresting.
Typical answer. Not giving original content a chance but U be first to see same superhero story told over n over it's pathetic just admit U don't like originality U want remakes n reboots
This should have been a Netflix release with a small distribution in theaters. Westerns are a niche genre these days and teens and young adults don't rush out to these
Popular shows like Yellowstone and 1883, as well as video games like Red Dead Redemption 2, show the Western is far from niche, but a 3 hour long epic that's only a part 1 and whose only big hook is Kevin Costner is a big ask in this economy. That's on top of there being little in the way of advertising. Had it been a regular 2 hour movie that just followed Costner and been a 1 and done I think it would have been a moderate success. But for such a long run time, no preexisting fan base, and three more parts to come, a limited series on a streaming service probably was the way to go.
It's interesting to see how the Western, a genre that once was hugely popular (Hollywood churned out hundreds of westerns during the heyday of the genre), has virtually disappeared. I guess the same thing will happen to superhero movies eventually.
I like a good 'duster', but the last big Western that made me want to go see it at the theatre was the remake of True Grit, which I liked better than the original. Someone already did a fan film about the Hunt for Gollum and it's on UA-cam. This project feels like squeezing the last bits of money they can out of the franchise.
Nothing will do well in theater's when audiences have multiple platforms to entertain themselves. Until it is released into our homes it will not. Just how it is now.
A Quiet Place came out the same day as Horizon. It has earned $183 Million to Horizon's $23 million in 12 days. People are buying tickets, just not Costner's tix. And Despicable Me has made over $255 Mill since your post.
Ya this is like the third or fourth why this movie bombed video y’all have put out and I didn’t care about those so I won’t care about the dollars on this one either cause the quality of the film is what I care about
If Axel is going to Net Flix I'll not be seeing it. I only buy physical media as can't get to a cinema due to anxiety and travel issues and I don't stream as I only have Internet on my phone. Great video as always guys 👍😊💜🐾👋
@@rustyshackleford2792 Maybe in your eyes 👀 but did you have a violent ex husband. I'm not wasting my money on streaming, Internet & TV license in England
You can't cover $100 Million with Streaming. Max paid $5 million for the rights to Horizon. Which is a fair price for a movie that only made $30 Mill at the theaters. That means only 3 million people bothered to go see this movie.
Even before that, he was in the biggest/only western of the 1980s: Silverado. And after DWW, followed it up with Wyatt Earp and the post-apoc western The Postman.
@@tmorganriley Pale Rider, directed by and starred Clint Eastwood, was the other Western and I believe that was more successful commercially and critically.
An American Saga is a very bad title.... i honestly did not even know it had come out, That said if a movie does not make up its budget within 2 days that should not be the standard the movie should be out there for a couple of months to generate interest, LOTR has 4 ages of content and they take a small moment mentioned in the series ( been a while since i read the book but at most 2 chapters) But there is sooo many other stories to explore and make into movies so i'm not excited for this one.
You wrong about this film. The marketing was aimed at people my age ( boomers). We are not returning to the theatres. We are huge consumers of streaming.
@ExtremeMadnessX well you can say that for any other genre of movies in Hollywood. The only movies that are successful for the longest were the big superhero movies. Call me crazy, but I think the only reason they begin to be terrible after Endgame, was to let other genre of movies have the spotlight. To give people a chance to see some other movie.
It's simple why it does matter that this movie bombed. Who is going to pony up the bucks to finish the third and fourth movies after the disaster at the box office? Costner torqued off a lot of people who might have come to the movie when he walked away from Yellowstone and left fans holding the bag. It's obvious that there are more than enough Costner Fanbois to make comments but not enough for the movies to make any money.
I base whether I like a movie or not on its quality. Not it's length. Same with books and videogames. Judging it only by its length seems like something a very ignorant child would do.
Best to think of it as a historical period piece, not a western. A narrative of what the first pioneers went through based on a promise - the promised land and lifestyle for those who dared travel and inhabit wild spaces, not realizing that the wild spaces weren't empty... I look forward to seeing movie 2. I'd see the first one again. There's some great acting and beautiful cinematography.
Leone's "Once Upon A Time In The West" bombed, soooo...
As did John Carpenter's _The Thing._
So did once upon a time in America still a masterpiece same as heaven's gate it's got hate n both are box office bombs but both are now considered both masterpieces now
The Wizard of Oz bombed, as did It's a Wonderful Life, both of which have left a big mark on American culture. Absolutely right to point out that opening weekend doesn't mean a whole lot in this case. Also, I love Waterworld, haha. It's got its fans, despite being known as a financial disappointment.
Using your logic, The Marvels will become a cult classic in 20 years.
I was the youngest member in the audience when i went to see Horizon. Unlike most people my age i love westerns.🤠
At 40 yrs I was also the youngest. A tuesday afternoon showing with 15 people all over 65yo
@@ChicagoBulls1984 I'm a younger millennial at 28.
Now if it's not SUper heroes bullshit stuff the audience is not interesting. 15 years of ame mac donals genra educated the audience to think this is only Cinema.
Westerns were meant to be told this way , it’s being put out like a novel and no one reads anymore. You get some story from this group, then this group and eventually they are all going to collide . After this story is done , I’d love to see Kevin direct some Louis La’mour novels like comestock lode , the lonesome Gods , the Californio’s. If they were put out like Horizon is being done they would probably be the greatest film adaptations of a novel ever.
I like the approach to time on this movie , it takes it’s time to tell the story.
I didn’t even know about this movie until a week ago. No advertising didn’t help
Agreed. Never knew about this movie until drove by the local theater and saw the poster. Then looked at a trailer online to see what it was about. The trailer really did not do this movie any justice nor pique my interest. Never seen any advertising on TV either.
I just learned about it today an I'm gonna watch it today
@@Largentina. I knew about the movie from watching yellowstone and reading about it being in production but I didn't even know it released. The advertising was awful considering I wanted to see it when it came out.
I saw zero advertising for this movie until just the other day. I only knew about it because I was checking someone's filmography and saw they'd done this project recently.
Went to see Horizon with the wife, we both loved it and would watch it again. More importantly, we will be going to see Part 2. Also, the theater had the biggest crowd I've seen in 4-5 years. My only complaint is that it could have been edited a little better, some scene changes were kind of abrupt.
The Hunt for golum is the rogue one of Lord of rings
I thought the Horizon film was good.
kostner did a great job... Saw this film twice... Waiting for chapter 2..
We saw it thought it was great! cant wait for the next installment
Just saw Horizon part one and thought it was great. Great acting, gorgeous landscapes and handles the battles with Indians in a historical non political way.
I went and watched this the other day and absolutely loved it. It is a little slow at parts but it does a lot of world building and the second one looks like it is going to be amazing.
So is the montage at the end clips from part 2 or was that some crazy time jump ?
Freaking loved horizon, can't wait for the rest of it. I'll be there day 1 for every part
I loved the movie, i think in years to come, it will be regarded as a classic.
Actually chapters 1 and 2 together is 100 million it's 50 million each film so all up it's 200 million dollar budget for 4 movies. Most movies are 250 million + but Kevin Costner made four movies for 200 million.
Tentpoles are commonly 250 million +. Most movies don't cost that much. But yeah, it's a lot of money, but all things considered, not *that* much money.
Kevin had private investors that gave him $100 million. Kevin spent another $40+ million of his own to get to this point . So Horizon has LOST $100 Million so far. And Chapter 2 has been cancelled because the theater owners know it's going to Flop even worse, so they don't want any part of it. Chapter 3 and 4 are toast.
Hmm... 3 hour long western, which is mostly an exposition and part one of a bigger movie, did not do well in box office in 2024? Wonder why? ;)
Please. Endgame was just as long.
@@mr.dccomics9018 Endgame wasn't a western, a genre that is not appealing for mass audience in 21sr century and was a finale of a 20+ movies saga. Horizon is the first part. And it's more like a tv series. Why watch it now when you would want to watch the whole 4 (or more) parta when they come out?
@@mr.dccomics9018
Endgame was the finale of 10 years of movies
Horizon is 3 hour part 1 that’s setting up the rest of the story
@@mr.dccomics9018lil bro just saw 3 hours and thought he was being clever with his comment💀😭
Short attention spans and no explosions would be my guess.
Horizon will go down as the singular best saga of the west ever made. It is a 4 piece drama, judge it after you have seen it all!!! Costner is a western genius and will go down in movie history for this saga!!!
It absolutely matters because Costner needs to demonstrate the success of the first film so that he can get financing to shoot 3 and 4. He has exhausted his own finances and is appealing to billionaires to help him finish the films.
He's filming Chapter 3 right now n chapter 4 is in development nothing will stop these films being released its almost finish anyways. Costner filming them all back to back. He's gonna release all 4 regardless how it does at the box office.
This got me picturing him begging Elon Musk for financing, who agrees on the condition that he gets one (terrible) cameo. I dislike Musk, but I wouldn't blame Costner for taking such an approach, haha.
Genuine question: who considers Heaven's Gate as one of the best westerns ever made?
Cinephiles with no real concern for history.
Nobody, what is this guy talking about?
Yeah, that part caught me a bit off guard. It's remembered better than it was received at the time, but still, not exactly widely agreed to be a classic.
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Horizon was amazing 🔥
I don't care I love this film n gonna see the other 3 chapters. It's a 11 hour epic western film released in four chapters. I love it n glad U do too I hate stupid people n so many exist now
GREAT FILM
This film bombed but it doesn't matter , cause now it is not question to be honest and good enough!!! But this film is going to change film history and point of view of western film!!!
Very disappointing they got me on the first one, but I won’t be wasting my time with any of the others dances with wolves Yellowstone 1883 Lonesome Dove classics I would be more than happy to watch a second time. This one was a waste of my time very disappointing.
I’m so annoyed part 2 has been delayed. There are a lot of problems with this movie but I can’t stop thinking about it. Unlike Deadpool and Wolverine, which I haven’t thought much about since.
Terrible Mustache and Hat and clean shaven looks weird. Very predictable and poorly directed.
My only problem jump around to much westerns are not poplar slowly dying out go book store look see how many western books to others
Just streamed it on Max. I loved it. I wish I saw it in the theater. I'll have my butt in the theater seats for chapter 2
I can answer why the movie bombed. It was awful, and painful to watch. The movie kept skipping around where no one could make sense of what is going on or who is who in the movie. Don’t go see it. Save your money. They knew when they put this out that this movie is terrible, but they pushed it out thinking that we would go to watch it because Kevin is in it.
The film was advertised on mainstream media. No wonder it flopped. Such a good movie release, ruined by its marketing to tvs on in the background.
I thought that Horizon was truly awful. Boring, and derivative. Even the acting sucked
Two guys chatting and the dip-stick in the red hat advises he hasn't even seen the movie.. how informed is that.. Yawn...
Westerns are very out of fashion. I am born in 1960 and in TV and Cinema Westerns made at least a 20% of the program then
Why do you have someone else on screen if you are going never stop rambling?!🙄
It was like spending 3 hours with my mother in law. It just dragged on and on
The worst thing about it is..... Nothing actually happens...... Its soooo boring soooo stale soooo nothing.... And there's a montage at the end...
I disagree
I’ve just never really been a fan of Kevin Kostner.
well you need to learn a DIFFERENT WAY little mister...!!!😠
I saw the trailer, and it looked incredibly "MEH".... I am usually a sucker for a great western epic, but the vibes in the trailer just was sooooo blah and uninteresting.
Would you like it if it was from the native perspective.
Typical answer. Not giving original content a chance but U be first to see same superhero story told over n over it's pathetic just admit U don't like originality U want remakes n reboots
@@travisgray8376exactly.. sad World and sad people
Everything LOTR is complete junk since the original trilogy. Just like Star Wars.
Andor is good quality. It avoids a lot of the trappings that weigh down other recent Star Wars projects.
Axel F - awful!!!!!😢😢😢😢
You mean they are not fanatics. These are the more normal
Didnt both movies cost 100 mil in total. Wont take much to recover costs.
Yes it's 100 M budget for the 2 first movies
And Costner dumped his own money into this 😬
This should have been a Netflix release with a small distribution in theaters. Westerns are a niche genre these days and teens and young adults don't rush out to these
Then it would have been pozzed beyond belief, like everything else they touch.
Popular shows like Yellowstone and 1883, as well as video games like Red Dead Redemption 2, show the Western is far from niche, but a 3 hour long epic that's only a part 1 and whose only big hook is Kevin Costner is a big ask in this economy. That's on top of there being little in the way of advertising. Had it been a regular 2 hour movie that just followed Costner and been a 1 and done I think it would have been a moderate success. But for such a long run time, no preexisting fan base, and three more parts to come, a limited series on a streaming service probably was the way to go.
See the film for yourself...❤
I loved it
It's interesting to see how the Western, a genre that once was hugely popular (Hollywood churned out hundreds of westerns during the heyday of the genre), has virtually disappeared. I guess the same thing will happen to superhero movies eventually.
I like a good 'duster', but the last big Western that made me want to go see it at the theatre was the remake of True Grit, which I liked better than the original.
Someone already did a fan film about the Hunt for Gollum and it's on UA-cam. This project feels like squeezing the last bits of money they can out of the franchise.
Nothing will do well in theater's when audiences have multiple platforms to entertain themselves. Until it is released into our homes it will not. Just how it is now.
Inside out just made a billion in 18 days...
A Quiet Place came out the same day as Horizon. It has earned $183 Million to Horizon's $23 million in 12 days. People are buying tickets, just not Costner's tix. And Despicable Me has made over $255 Mill since your post.
Ya this is like the third or fourth why this movie bombed video y’all have put out and I didn’t care about those so I won’t care about the dollars on this one either cause the quality of the film is what I care about
If Axel is going to Net Flix I'll not be seeing it. I only buy physical media as can't get to a cinema due to anxiety and travel issues and I don't stream as I only have Internet on my phone. Great video as always guys 👍😊💜🐾👋
You know you can stream on your phone then just mirror it on your TV, right?
@@oranjmusemeyer968 I can't afford to stream
U live like it's 1996
@@rustyshackleford2792 Maybe in your eyes 👀 but did you have a violent ex husband. I'm not wasting my money on streaming, Internet & TV license in England
I have respect for people who reject the "subscription only, never own" culture.
Costner: I made the biggest box office bomb of the year.
Francis Ford Copolla: Hold my beer.
Bikeriders, like Horizon, is also a dad movie, had a big 2nd wk drop...so that doesn't bode well for Horizon's legs.
Gareth looks like he’s thinking about candy bars during Ewan’s endless opening monologue.
That was a very good impression of Golom. You need to get paid for that talent.
More Garath -- he's getting "short sheeted" and is quite funny.
2 will do very well opening weekend. The movie was great in my opinion.
Nothing really matters, anyone can see
Isn't Horizon basically Kevin Costner's middle finger to Taylor Sheridan?
@@benhunter6194 no costner has been trying to get this made seince the 90s
Was not aware of horizon
Costner probably has an exclusive backend deal with a streaming service to cover what he doesnt claim at box office
You can't cover $100 Million with Streaming. Max paid $5 million for the rights to Horizon. Which is a fair price for a movie that only made $30 Mill at the theaters. That means only 3 million people bothered to go see this movie.
Axel F was genuinely good. But Netflix see cinema as competition, so it will never get a proper release.
Snyder got theatrical release of his movie with Netflix...
Didn't know Costner liked westerns even though he did Dances. Always thought he was typecast in them, but I guess it's by choice.
Really? He wasn’t type casted in Dances with Wolves or Open Range, he directed them..
Even before that, he was in the biggest/only western of the 1980s: Silverado. And after DWW, followed it up with Wyatt Earp and the post-apoc western The Postman.
@@tmorganriley Pale Rider, directed by and starred Clint Eastwood, was the other Western and I believe that was more successful commercially and critically.
An American Saga is a very bad title.... i honestly did not even know it had come out, That said if a movie does not make up its budget within 2 days that should not be the standard the movie should be out there for a couple of months to generate interest,
LOTR has 4 ages of content and they take a small moment mentioned in the series ( been a while since i read the book but at most 2 chapters) But there is sooo many other stories to explore and make into movies so i'm not excited for this one.
The title is Horizon 🤦♂
@@comebackguy8892 horizon , an american saga is still a bad title
@@Scandic45 So when you refer to Furiosa 2024 you just say A Mad Max Saga? 😂
“Axel F” should definitely be in theaters
An Eddie Murphy Axel Foley team up with Chevy Chase's Fletch back in the day would have been awesome IMO
You wrong about this film. The marketing was aimed at people my age ( boomers). We are not returning to the theatres. We are huge consumers of streaming.
Some will become a cult classics.
A generation of MCU fans that dont watch anything else is probably why it failed.
Or is it because the Western isn't a popular genre for decades?
@ExtremeMadnessX well you can say that for any other genre of movies in Hollywood. The only movies that are successful for the longest were the big superhero movies.
Call me crazy, but I think the only reason they begin to be terrible after Endgame, was to let other genre of movies have the spotlight. To give people a chance to see some other movie.
@@mr.dccomics9018Okay, but also Westerns are notorious for having fallen off hard decades ago, long before the MCU ever started.
It’s a THREE HOUR LONG R-Rated Western…NONE of this Helped! Also, the reviews are very …Meh!
@edvaira6891 wasn't Red Dead Redemption 2 successful. That game would have bombed if people didn't like Western.
The movie is literally made for TV garbage. Kevin Costner has fallen from grace
I will name 3 reasons right now and I have not even watched it yet:
1) length
2) competition
3) republican propaganda
Pathetic
@@bronsonbamnallen1633 there is no replican propaganda in it
It's a very nuanced and clever film. But you have to sit 3hours in front of a beautiful and good movie. Not sure you Can make it ? 😊
It's simple why it does matter that this movie bombed. Who is going to pony up the bucks to finish the third and fourth movies after the disaster at the box office? Costner torqued off a lot of people who might have come to the movie when he walked away from Yellowstone and left fans holding the bag. It's obvious that there are more than enough Costner Fanbois to make comments but not enough for the movies to make any money.
It matters to the private investors that gave him the first $100 million. Kevin didn't tell them he was going to make a massive flop.
It wasn't bad. Goes off on tangents but not terrible. Seems like a Netflix series turned into a few films instead. Great video!
I thought it was amazing 🤷🏼♂️
Sorry the Western will never have the same strength as it did 50 to 70 years ago
Who wants to sit through a 3 hour movie?
I base whether I like a movie or not on its quality. Not it's length. Same with books and videogames. Judging it only by its length seems like something a very ignorant child would do.
Three hour movies need to have an intermission
@@josephknaak9034OMG that's so dumb to think liké that.. sad World
No views in 1 minute bro fell off
it almost like people have a life outside of youtube
Joke
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Your head
@@alfredoprieto6798 not funny get a life
@@alfredoprieto6798where's the joke?
Today's generation has the attention span of a goldfish. Horizon too long, but don't complain about mcu woke 💩endgame 😂
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Yep pathetic stupid people are the majority. MCU has fried a whole generations minds.
Just like you shouldn't care about Furiosa bombing 🥱