What about all the "proprietary technology"?🙄 Haha jk I agree, gas at any gas station is the same and electricity is the same from any plug no matter the shape(of course different amps and voltages, not whatt I'm referring to) But the guest has a point about the free marketing for the competing company ie Tesla. Somethings gonna give at some point, but if they own the charging stations they can be as selective with their customer's brands as they want; in this case Tesa building all this additional infrastructure that makes so much sense to be used universally
I just watched 2 EV road trips, one with a Mach E and one a Polestar 2. They had no problems charging at EA. And the Mach E drove all the way from San Diego to Denver. The CCS charging structure is growing and improving everyday.
Volta will pull ahead due to their unique strategy of working with businesses like Whole Foods, AMC theater, six flag theme parks due to their display screens to help local businesses do advertising. At their rate of grow, they run about 2000 stations, and that number will ramp up fast. Big factor is usage of their stations are far higher.
The negativity surrounding EVGO is overstated and very present time orientated. Stock market analyst and people just 3 years ago were saying there is no demand for electric vehicles, very short sighted. So 5 to 10 years the world will be drastically different so the cap-x for infrastructure must be built now for a first mover advantage.
So I love it when a guess come on and say that they just don’t know enough about the subject matter in order to render an opinion, and that type of honesty quite frankly to me is refreshing! So I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that if Tesla is partnering with EVGo, then EVGo will have a distinct advantage over all the other guys, including Electrify America. I do however, agree with your guest that Electrify America is probably the best capitalized system 2nd only to Tesla, because Tesla saw this from the beginning and they made the necessary investments in order to make sure that their cars could compete with any other brand no matter whether they ran on petro or electricity, because they have such a built in advantage, as they don't deal in these other markets, so they're not competing with gasoline cars or plug-in hybrid cars, therefore, there's really no competition for Tesla, and a partnership between EVGo and Tesla will make EVGo synonymous with Tesla, and so I absolutely agree with you that when some other auto manufacturer car is plugged into a Tesla SuprCharger it a huge advantage for Tesla. So it’s a no-brainer for Tesla to open their SuperCharger network up to these other auto manufacturers Ev’s. So I liken this subject to the epic words etched in that plaque at the Statue of Liberty, I mean read those words, and you’re talking about Tesla’s Mission statement to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable transport/energy. So we all know that everyone loves a winner and Tesla is a winner and so will EVGo be a winner too, if they partner with Tesla. So my money is on Tesla and EVGo to dominate the SuperCharger space, and the other guys are looking at annihilation, as their only hope for survival is to consolidate, and consolidation will happen as it always has, and it's gonna be no different this time. So thanks for posting this video, you guys are doing a great job, so keep on pushing N Go Tesla go EVGo! Cheers!🥂
Shell showing a picture of a gas station charger is wrong. You don’t put chargers at a gas station; you put them at the destinations. The stores, offices, work locations, parking lots, homes, apartments etc. you need time to charge and you have that time during an activity at the destination not during transit.
@@robinsss it takes too long for a charge so drivers won’t be waiting at the gas station they will be charging in a parking lot while they are busy with an activity. The idea is that drivers will be able to go from place to place and charge the battery along the way so it’s never empty. Once solid state batteries come along this could change as charge times will drop to 15 or 20 mins for a full charge; but that’s at least 10 years away.
@@robinsss if you want to wait at a gas station you can but the idea is to always have a fully charged vehicle without waiting. Charging infrastructure is the next big step. Finding a charging station that is convenient with daily life is one of the main hurdles for new ev purchasers.
I disagree with this guest about government. Government can supply massive incentives for manufacturers of charging. It could be we haven't even seen the leader in charging yet. Lastly Volta's model is interesting and may prove to be the key to mass adoption of EVs especially to local charging.
These people have a particular political bend and you aren’t going to get thoughtful responses. The more chargers the better. I don’t care where they come from. I want them EVERYWHERE. Picking mine up Wednesday and already have the pad on the garage floor to charge every time we pull in but still….
Strange that you made a video about charging networks and didn't mention Chargepoint. The Tesla guy doesn't know much about the space either, so that was odd.
@@savorfm so wait. You do a video titled "U.S. EV Charging Network - Who Wins Big?" but fail to mention Chargepoint with excuse that need its only video? logic all screwed up.. And your 'expert' tries to compare 20 TSLA superchargers beat a NIO battery swap station, but fails to mention the real estate to maintain 20 Active superchargers, parking spots? I suggest rename your video "Total TSLA Fanboi Charger Video"
Not sure why you brought a hardcore tesla fanboi into the discussion. He didn't really do his research on the other charging stations prob because he thought tesla fixes everything with their own chargers. You should probably change the title of the video.
Because what Warren said was the truth. You don’t have to like Tesla, you just have to acknowledge their dominance. Especially if you are investing in EV charging networks. Don’t bet on the losing horse unless you are trying to be a loser.
i have read articles here and there about customer stories of chargers TSLA has the least issues - and the most operational-ready state of all i own some TSLA stock and am looking to invest in an EV charging winner.... if someone can prove TSLA will not be the leader in charging
@@HTx78 Yeah but chargepoint has been around for more than 10 years and has WAY more chargers than TESLA. Their app has great reviews compared to blink in the app store btw. I don't think TESLA will dominate everything. There will always be competition.
Thanks. What is interesting is how similar the introduction of EVs is to the early history of ICE vehicles in the early 1900s. The history of Standard Oil could be the history of Tesla.
It is all over the place here in CA. Thank the Utilities for some of that. In the Major Metro, the price is lower than here in the central coast area. (current is 0.40/KWH)
If you put 20 superchargers into same place to charge same time you need a fat hi voltage line to it. But if you dilute them over the city then it's more possible. Only thing is EV owner has to find a avalible one at the time. >Thing is until gov does not make a standard for chargers and connetors then it's rulette to invest in one of them charging companies.
Ok my opinion. Chargepoint, EVgo, EVbox, all have roaming compatibility making their Network stronger... all these networks work with Tesla with adapter. Here's your winners chargepoint the biggest Network in the United States, evbox the biggest Network in Europe, EVgo largest fast charging Network outside of Tesla.
Tesla chargers perform well just because of their nature, being optimized solely for the Tesla's vehicles. From the technical standpoint, the other manufacturers of fast charging stations have to put much greater effort of making sure their stations perform flawlessly with each and every type of vehicle. The same applies to vehicle manufacturers, making sure their cars "talk" to all existing charging stations properly. Not saying Tesla doesn't deserve any kudos, however their job is much easier compared to the challenges the other makers have to go through!
When the infastructure bill bill kept getting trimmed back ,that was a death blow to the legacy automaker's. To me that was their opportunity to try and catch up with Tesla's lead in this sector. The legacy automaker's have over 100 billion in debt on their books,so they are desperate for cash on many fronts. Another slap in their face is how Rivian is now worth more than Ford and GM after going public and trading to the public after 2 days. Probably best move for Ford and GM is to open up and brand new EV spinoff and IPO the spinoff.
Tesla delivered over 400,000 vehicles in 2020, they will deliver even more this year. The super chargers will be overwhelmed during the holiday season in many locations. If you add up all other EV manufactures delivery numbers, and it doesn’t even come close to those numbers, so it may even be that the wait at non Tesla chargers will be shorter even though there are fewer of them and some might not work. The teething problems associated with the Non Tesla chargers will get worked out pretty quickly,. As to the EV infrastructure bill for EV chargers, I doubt that that means the government is going to get into the charging business, it will mean that the government will issue tax incentives or maybe even low interest loans that will encourage other companies to build DC fast chargers.
After using the tesla supercharger network for 3 years, the idea of having to deal with an app, a touchscreen and/or a credit card swipe is a big fat heck no for me. Driving a 600 mile trip with my family and having to stop at a 2 or 4 stall charging location, not knowing if it works, is full, the real world charging speed ect, is pretty horrifying.
Chargepoint owns like what 77% of Americas charging station market? and they didn't even mention that.... Charge point is the tesla of charging stations, no one is even close to them in terms of market exposure and units.
Chargepoint is growing and Ford is supporting Electrify America but nobody comes remotely come close to Tesla’s network in Price/availability/speed. It’s Tesla’s market to lose and they are expanding much faster than anyone else. Face it the charging networks that survive will be the networks that support the largest share of vehicles. Tesla is on track to have 80% of market share. Who is second? Ford? Nissan? both may be bankrupt by 2025. Not a Tesla fanboy, but come on, isn’t it obvious who is going to win the majority of the addressable market soon?
I don’t get why people don’t see this! I don’t understand why the OEM’s wouldn’t use Tesla’s network it makes sense we need a standard in charging and right now Tesla is the largest
@@FlyingArtz. There are 2 problems and none of them have anything to do with branding. First is the CCS standard. I am not really sure is you can call it a standard. Since the plug, the socket and the software are not universal it's hard to get everyone on the same page. What I mean is Tesla controls every aspect of the super charger from the ground up. Where as with CCS, Charge Point, EA, Blink and so on have their own software that needs to talk to the individual software of each auto manufacturer. If all these providers and OEMs conformed to 1 software and 1 or 2 sets of parts bins to build the fast chargers then none of the failures would happen. The second problem is that there is no minimum charge rate for chargers. There are thousands of legacy EVs that cannot charge faster than 75kw. Yet all the new EVs will just about double that. If all OEMs conformed to a minimum low then that would also cut down on the amount of variables that chargers would have to deal with.
No, it's not obvious. I do agree that their will be some legacy automakers going bankrupt, FCA and Dodge I'm looking at you, but most of these UA-camrs don't report what VW is doing, what Hyundai and Kia are doing. Don't fall for the propaganda. And to answer your who's in second place worldwide, that would be Nissan. Then some brand out if China.
@@Demobot1 totally agree with you.. it will take and few years for the suits to get it.. and universal chargering plug and minimum charge rate would solve alot of problems.
Electrify America has a set of chargers on the I-5 half way between LA and Sacramento. None of them worked. Thats probably the most strategic location in the country for a fast charger. Luckily my BMW i3 has the range extender. Otherwise I would have been f-ed.
I was down to my last 20 miles on the 5. The app sent me to station that doesn't exist, and the other location I barely made it to, only 1/5 EA chargers worked.
Well, if we do some basic math, you're saying 10s of thousands of new DC Fast Charge stations are going to come online... have you considered grid impacts? New DC Fast Charge is rated at 350 kW each. That's 70 houses of power to charge one vehicle. At 10,000 vehicles, charging simultaneously would draw around 3.5 GW. Where's that going to come from? That's new unscheduled grid loading... not important? You don't mention grid impacts. Is that realistic?
If you live in Hurricane threat area good luck with an EV. You’re either going to be stuck in counterflow evacuation traffic with a dead battery or stuck in your garage in the powerless aftermath for up to a month on average after the storm. I live in costal Louisiana and would never buy an EV myself but like the EVGO fundamentals as a long term play growth stock for the future.
I haven't had a problem with electrify america. Ive seen more run down chargepoints than electrify america. What is going on with tesla charging stations? I always see tesla stations nearly empty, but all the j177 stations full of teslas. And they don't charge an hour or so, they charge for like a day. I talked to a tesla owner while waiting to charge, they told me they charge 5 hours for 50 miles. Wtf? Im cool with my little 10 year leaf. 1 hour for 50 miles on a j177
The idea that Electrify America and the auto manufacturers are not going to be able to solve their compatibility issues is kind of silly. It isn't rocket science, even though it's surprising and embarrassing they haven't yet ironed out all the problems.
We won two World Wars and put men on the moon, but the government can't use subsidies for electric charging stations to help scale? Oh, I forgot that Ike got the national highway system built in the late '50's. Also, I think your thesis on Nio is flawed. The battery swap is one element for Nio, the benefit with batteries that can be swapped allows for upgrades or tech breakthroughs for old batteries to be switched for new batteries on older models to attack more Nio buyers.
ave you noticed? Gasoline cars will be banned from sale in 2035. Since the battery of an electric car deteriorates and cannot be regenerated, the car must be replaced every 10 years. In other words, in the 11th year, it is necessary to manufacture cars for popularization and cars for replacement. In other words, we have to manufacture twice as much. Ten years later, it will triple. It will continue until it reaches 1 billion units in the world, so in the end we must manufacture 100 million units every year. It lasts forever. Can you manufacture 100 million lithium-ion batteries per year forever? Can you buy it cheaply?
Green T-Shirt PAID LIAR. I am seeing everyday no problem charging other non-TSLA. Also, TSLA received and will receive another $50 BILLION Gov subsidies next 5 yrs. Gov should hv required TSLA to share their chargers in return
I'd like to get that 20 minutes of my life back... Please keep confusing people even more about EV charging. Make sure you're knowledgeable about a topic before making a video about it and that the guest isn't a Tesla fan boy in order to create a balanced view...
Great.. The speaker think that it's more trustworthy to rely on private industry electrons rather than government electrons (comparing electrons to food from McDonalds vs food from the gobment (intentionally misspelled..)) Additionally he adds that he owns stock in McDonalds (a high value stock). His Tesla has a strong charging management system that governs flow of electrons to its batteries, to charge its batteries. This management system is onboard to the Tesla. How is he unclear of this concept? Why is he even on this program when he provides incorrect information?
EVGo is not good. Slow/low output, expensive and poorly maintained here in Az. Odd that this host thinks otherwise. Single charger units is the norm for them in crowded mall parking lots. Frankly, worthless.
Hello Paul - I have a few ideas you might be interested in. With so many EV startups appearing, you may be interested in Imperium Motor Company and the Skywell ET5 SUV EV. | Perhaps a video about China 60% adoption of electric vehicles & how their technology can/could assists us here in North America. If we could ignore the political barriers mightn't the auto industry be further advanced on North American soil.
No because of that was Tesla I will partner with them and then later on are the outlets and convert them all to Tesla and all the other companies have to them by the components to charge their cars tester Outlet
Great, another Tesla propagandist. You mean you couldn't find someone who is more experienced with EVs as a whole instead of someone who is familiar with just 1 brand.
we need charge ports in the out skirts of las vegas the smalll townspahrump,beatty, betweeen vegas and pahrump on 160 ,,in neeed,,for chevy sparks,,,other then tesla,, we all dont have tesla's
Why Warren? His argumenrs are pure convenient stats which when you dive into, don't add up. Humans need a religion and some religions are more powerful than other art different points of history. Warren is just a follower of Elon religion. Tesla is ahead because they've been around and have apple like advantage of controlling the system. They didn't carry the baggage of older tech, and that got them where they are along with smart and good bets. I think they will remain ahead for a while. But Warren's takes are just purely conveniet data like talking about throughput - you can't get a full throughput at a charging station, because if it's full, you need to drive to another location. The max throughput assumption meaningful valid when it comes to low capacity station. Battery swap locations have their own problems, but max throughout isn't the right metric to compare. Here's a simple take - as charging tech gets commoditized, these will start working better. Specifically right now sure if the software is bad, it's mostly unfunded. You can update that over the air. Once the system starts making money, this will ask start getting their own boost. Necessity is the mother of all invention.
So called Tesla UA-camr does not exactly seem to be an expert by any means. 1. So Tesla's biggest problem with letting other EV makers use their charging stations would be it would hit Tesla branding??? What? The same Tesla drivers see millions of other cars on the road, not at a charging station, does that hit tesla brand? It is totally understood if he said Tesla might let them use it for a higher charging fee. 2. Govt investing in EV infrastructure is not the same as Govt building the EV infrastructure. Govt has funded lot of technologies and infrastructure for the longest time. Simply bcoz Govt funds it, doesn't necessarily mean its bad. Extremely paranoid and irrational fellow. Plus reference to Biden- Sorry if Trump funded it, would you go? Seems like a spiteful Trumper. Not saying all of them are the same. These ppl have started whining about everything Biden is doing and will keep on doing so for the next 4-8 years. Please keep political commentary of these videos otherwise it may turn away half the viewers. 3. FUD against Nio battery swap- Let it play out.
1. He didn't say it would hurt Tesla's brand; he said it might hurt the other car's brand. Not sure he's totally correct on this, but still thought it was worth correcting your comment. 2. He's not a Trump fan, either. He's talked about that before. 3. There are seriously projected problems with Nio battery swap, but I agree that we should see it play out. I don't think Warren's trying to stop them from building battery swap stations.
All those charging stations need to be Universal so they can charge any vehicle , any brand.
Like a open standard? Kind of like USB connections.
I'm sure Legacy OEM want their customers to see the TESLA branding everytime they charge. lol
What about all the "proprietary technology"?🙄 Haha jk
I agree, gas at any gas station is the same and electricity is the same from any plug no matter the shape(of course different amps and voltages, not whatt I'm referring to)
But the guest has a point about the free marketing for the competing company ie Tesla. Somethings gonna give at some point, but if they own the charging stations they can be as selective with their customer's brands as they want; in this case Tesa building all this additional infrastructure that makes so much sense to be used universally
I just watched 2 EV road trips, one with a Mach E and one a Polestar 2. They had no problems charging at EA. And the Mach E drove all the way from San Diego to Denver. The CCS charging structure is growing and improving everyday.
In my opinion these 3 will own most of the market
Tesla
Chargepoint
EVGO
Don't you think Tesla charging station will kill the other two?
@@jackyhuang6034 I imagine the market being similar to gas stations. We have chevron, shell, ARCO…etc
Volta will pull ahead due to their unique strategy of working with businesses like Whole Foods, AMC theater, six flag theme parks due to their display screens to help local businesses do advertising. At their rate of grow, they run about 2000 stations, and that number will ramp up fast. Big factor is usage of their stations are far higher.
EA = it's in the GAME 🎮 Electricify America not Madden for the slow ones
You guys need your homework before doing a show about EV.
Right
The negativity surrounding EVGO is overstated and very present time orientated. Stock market analyst and people just 3 years ago were saying there is no demand for electric vehicles, very short sighted. So 5 to 10 years the world will be drastically different so the cap-x for infrastructure must be built now for a first mover advantage.
Do you have any suggested videos on EV charging..?
New to this topic, but happy to hear your thoughts if think this video is lacking somehow.
So I love it when a guess come on and say that they just don’t know enough about the subject matter in order to render an opinion, and that type of honesty quite frankly to me is refreshing!
So I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that if Tesla is partnering with EVGo, then EVGo will have a distinct advantage over all the other guys, including Electrify America.
I do however, agree with your guest that Electrify America is probably the best capitalized system 2nd only to Tesla, because Tesla saw this from the beginning and they made the necessary investments
in order to make sure that their cars could compete with any other brand no matter whether they ran on petro or electricity, because they have such a built in advantage, as they don't deal in these other markets, so they're not competing with gasoline cars or plug-in hybrid cars, therefore, there's really no competition for Tesla, and a partnership between EVGo and Tesla will make EVGo synonymous with Tesla, and so I absolutely agree with you that when some other auto manufacturer car is plugged into a Tesla SuprCharger it a huge advantage for Tesla.
So it’s a no-brainer for Tesla to open their SuperCharger network up to these other auto manufacturers Ev’s.
So I liken this subject to the epic words etched in that plaque at the Statue of Liberty, I mean read those words, and you’re talking about Tesla’s Mission statement to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable transport/energy.
So we all know that everyone loves a winner and Tesla is a winner and so will EVGo be a winner too, if they partner with Tesla.
So my money is on Tesla and EVGo to dominate the SuperCharger space, and the other guys are looking at annihilation, as their only hope for survival is to consolidate, and consolidation will happen as it always has, and it's gonna be no different this time.
So thanks for posting this video, you guys are doing a great job, so keep on pushing N Go Tesla go EVGo! Cheers!🥂
Agreed. Anyone who has daily used an EV tells you they avoid EVgo at all costs. Overpriced. Frequently not working.
*I see ChargePoint and EVgo running the game along with Tesla if the idea of them opening their network up comes into fruition.*
Aloha! Stunned that ChargePoint wasn't mentioned. They have, what, 77K Chargers to Blink's 150?
totally agree - not sure what kind of review when you miss touching upon some of the key players.
They want you to look away from charge point.
This was a big Tesla ad to me. Instead of comparing the major EV charging companies.
In my area of SoCal charge point is useless. Mostly J1772, a few CHAdeMO and even fewer CCS. The CCS sites are mostly 50 kw with 1-2 plugs.
@@thespiceislife2082 what do you guys use
Shell showing a picture of a gas station charger is wrong. You don’t put chargers at a gas station; you put them at the destinations. The stores, offices, work locations, parking lots, homes, apartments etc. you need time to charge and you have that time during an activity at the destination not during transit.
Well said
if the gas stations worked for gas cars why wouldn't they work for EVs?
@@robinsss it takes too long for a charge so drivers won’t be waiting at the gas station they will be charging in a parking lot while they are busy with an activity. The idea is that drivers will be able to go from place to place and charge the battery along the way so it’s never empty. Once solid state batteries come along this could change as charge times will drop to 15 or 20 mins for a full charge; but that’s at least 10 years away.
@@crtmojo2705 too long is a matter of opinion
i am willing to wait 30 minutes for 200 mile capacity instead of paying almost 4 dollars for gas
@@robinsss if you want to wait at a gas station you can but the idea is to always have a fully charged vehicle without waiting. Charging infrastructure is the next big step. Finding a charging station that is convenient with daily life is one of the main hurdles for new ev purchasers.
Chargepoint going to dominate EV charger market !
Size means nothing. Chargepoint charges at turtle speed. No one has time to waste 😂🤦🏻♂️
@@moonbagjedi78 they have DC fast charging…you are just referring to Level 2 speeds
I disagree with this guest about government. Government can supply massive incentives for manufacturers of charging. It could be we haven't even seen the leader in charging yet. Lastly Volta's model is interesting and may prove to be the key to mass adoption of EVs especially to local charging.
@@iJoshuaVentura DCFC charging at 62 kW is not Fast charging anymore.
@@max22148 I charge at 75kW with my CCS adapter. Compared to the Urban Chargers at 68kW. There is a big difference.
The Government would likely contract other charging networks to build them. Essentially, the Government will be funding/subsidizing these operations.
Which is also a bad idea.
Same as they do for big oil. That’s why there’s a gas station on every other corner in America.
no
the private sector has already built enough charging stations
These people have a particular political bend and you aren’t going to get thoughtful responses. The more chargers the better. I don’t care where they come from. I want them EVERYWHERE. Picking mine up Wednesday and already have the pad on the garage floor to charge every time we pull in but still….
#Chargepoint but I didn't hear Chargepoint being mentioned?
Because they suck at charging times 🤦🏻♂️
Strange that you made a video about charging networks and didn't mention Chargepoint. The Tesla guy doesn't know much about the space either, so that was odd.
@@savorfm so wait. You do a video titled "U.S. EV Charging Network - Who Wins Big?" but fail to mention Chargepoint with excuse that need its only video? logic all screwed up.. And your 'expert' tries to compare 20 TSLA superchargers beat a NIO battery swap station, but fails to mention the real estate to maintain 20 Active superchargers, parking spots?
I suggest rename your video "Total TSLA Fanboi Charger Video"
Well I do agree that Baas is a failing business model it'll be interesting to see how China back Neo... works through this poor decision.
@@jfoberg You think 20 charging stations require more maintenance than a battery swap station?
@@chrisw9534 Yeah, especially if the battery swap station is designed to be temporary.
@@Demobot1 Nio is designing their battery swap stations to be temporary? How so?
Not sure why you brought a hardcore tesla fanboi into the discussion. He didn't really do his research on the other charging stations prob because he thought tesla fixes everything with their own chargers. You should probably change the title of the video.
He pointed out that Tesla has there own issues is that bais.
Because what Warren said was the truth. You don’t have to like Tesla, you just have to acknowledge their dominance. Especially if you are investing in EV charging networks. Don’t bet on the losing horse unless you are trying to be a loser.
i have read articles here and there about customer stories of chargers
TSLA has the least issues - and the most operational-ready state of all
i own some TSLA stock and am looking to invest in an EV charging winner.... if someone can prove TSLA will not be the leader in charging
@@HTx78 Yeah but chargepoint has been around for more than 10 years and has WAY more chargers than TESLA. Their app has great reviews compared to blink in the app store btw. I don't think TESLA will dominate everything. There will always be competition.
@@paulerhimona9244 did he, when?
Volta will beat them all... love their business model
Thanks. What is interesting is how similar the introduction of EVs is to the early history of ICE vehicles in the early 1900s. The history of Standard Oil could be the history of Tesla.
What about charge point??
Chargepoint will dominate this space which these suckers didn't even mention !
Doesn’t take a rocket science to do the math and understand Chargepoints achilles heel
What about the question of Can the US electrical grid support all these additional chargers?
ChargePoint is way bigger than Electrify America...
The price they charge for a KWh is outrageous!
It is all over the place here in CA. Thank the Utilities for some of that. In the Major Metro, the price is lower than here in the central coast area. (current is 0.40/KWH)
What are the prospects for apartment buildings? Does any one firm have a leg up for a clear lead as relates to that specific market?
If you put 20 superchargers into same place to charge same time you need a fat hi voltage line to it. But if you dilute them over the city then it's more possible. Only thing is EV owner has to find a avalible one at the time. >Thing is until gov does not make a standard for chargers and connetors then it's rulette to invest in one of them charging companies.
I think the government needs to mandate that all gas stations need to provide space 4 atleast 4 stalls.
Have you folks heard of ChargePoint? The fact that ChargePoint wasn't mentioned says a lot about this video's credibility.
Ok my opinion. Chargepoint, EVgo, EVbox, all have roaming compatibility making their Network stronger... all these networks work with Tesla with adapter. Here's your winners chargepoint the biggest Network in the United States, evbox the biggest Network in Europe, EVgo largest fast charging Network outside of Tesla.
I thought Electrify America was the largest fast charging network after Tesla
I wonder why all dealerships don't put in a few charging stalls. That's 3000 locations for Ford and GM each
I would agree if every dealer installed a charger that would be great for my chevy bolt
EV go has worked 100% of the time for me
Tesla chargers perform well just because of their nature, being optimized solely for the Tesla's vehicles. From the technical standpoint, the other manufacturers of fast charging stations have to put much greater effort of making sure their stations perform flawlessly with each and every type of vehicle. The same applies to vehicle manufacturers, making sure their cars "talk" to all existing charging stations properly. Not saying Tesla doesn't deserve any kudos, however their job is much easier compared to the challenges the other makers have to go through!
It’s true, EA’s are mostly not used
Tesla is partnering with EVgo because they're powered by renewable energy. It will dominate.
EGO stocks might be a good idea...
Tesla is willing and able to own superchargers That mostly sit empty. Most investors are uninterested in financing a network that is underused.
I am someone who has waited in short lines to use a SuperCharger. Most SuperCharger locations have very high utilization, especially on Holidays.
The military has government cooks and dining facilities. They are amazing.
Quarter of the way through and no mention of Chargepoint?
Hi All, where do you think newcomer to the US market (Tritium) fits in to this picture..?
When the infastructure bill bill kept getting trimmed back ,that was a death blow to the legacy automaker's. To me that was their opportunity to try and catch up with Tesla's lead in this sector. The legacy automaker's have over 100 billion in debt on their books,so they are desperate for cash on many fronts. Another slap in their face is how Rivian is now worth more than Ford and GM after going public and trading to the public after 2 days. Probably best move for Ford and GM is to open up and brand new EV spinoff and IPO the spinoff.
Do I detect an intentional effort to avoid saying “ChargePoint”?
Its funny to hear...at so many points ... Paul and Warren talking North and south with a nod... for e.g. 13:53
Tesla
EVgo
Chargepoint
In that order. Chargepoint currently has more chargers, but they're almost entirely slow J1772 chargers.
Tesla delivered over 400,000 vehicles in 2020, they will deliver even more this year. The super chargers will be overwhelmed during the holiday season in many locations. If you add up all other EV manufactures delivery numbers, and it doesn’t even come close to those numbers, so it may even be that the wait at non Tesla chargers will be shorter even though there are fewer of them and some might not work. The teething problems associated with the Non Tesla chargers will get worked out pretty quickly,. As to the EV infrastructure bill for EV chargers, I doubt that that means the government is going to get into the charging business, it will mean that the government will issue tax incentives or maybe even low interest loans that will encourage other companies to build DC fast chargers.
what about CCS in Middle States in USA? Even Tesla put chargers in those States!
The government loves to tax. Remember that.
I honestly see charging stations at McDonald's only if they offer better coffee.
After using the tesla supercharger network for 3 years, the idea of having to deal with an app, a touchscreen and/or a credit card swipe is a big fat heck no for me. Driving a 600 mile trip with my family and having to stop at a 2 or 4 stall charging location, not knowing if it works, is full, the real world charging speed ect, is pretty horrifying.
you just sit 20 minutes and give up 3 hours
Volta charging station is more convenient
Can nio still self charge is there no plug the advantage would be when you can swap a solid state battery
Chargepoint owns like what 77% of Americas charging station market? and they didn't even mention that.... Charge point is the tesla of charging stations, no one is even close to them in terms of market exposure and units.
Chargepoint is growing and Ford is supporting Electrify America but nobody comes remotely come close to Tesla’s network in Price/availability/speed. It’s Tesla’s market to lose and they are expanding much faster than anyone else. Face it the charging networks that survive will be the networks that support the largest share of vehicles. Tesla is on track to have 80% of market share. Who is second? Ford? Nissan? both may be bankrupt by 2025. Not a Tesla fanboy, but come on, isn’t it obvious who is going to win the majority of the addressable market soon?
I don’t get why people don’t see this! I don’t understand why the OEM’s wouldn’t use Tesla’s network it makes sense we need a standard in charging and right now Tesla is the largest
@@FlyingArtz. There are 2 problems and none of them have anything to do with branding. First is the CCS standard. I am not really sure is you can call it a standard. Since the plug, the socket and the software are not universal it's hard to get everyone on the same page. What I mean is Tesla controls every aspect of the super charger from the ground up. Where as with CCS, Charge Point, EA, Blink and so on have their own software that needs to talk to the individual software of each auto manufacturer. If all these providers and OEMs conformed to 1 software and 1 or 2 sets of parts bins to build the fast chargers then none of the failures would happen.
The second problem is that there is no minimum charge rate for chargers. There are thousands of legacy EVs that cannot charge faster than 75kw. Yet all the new EVs will just about double that. If all OEMs conformed to a minimum low then that would also cut down on the amount of variables that chargers would have to deal with.
No, it's not obvious. I do agree that their will be some legacy automakers going bankrupt, FCA and Dodge I'm looking at you, but most of these UA-camrs don't report what VW is doing, what Hyundai and Kia are doing. Don't fall for the propaganda. And to answer your who's in second place worldwide, that would be Nissan. Then some brand out if China.
@@Demobot1 totally agree with you.. it will take and few years for the suits to get it.. and universal chargering plug and minimum charge rate would solve alot of problems.
80%?? LOL They are not even the leading ev car company in Europe or China. With 10 years head-start they are still struggling to make a profit
Chargepoint for sure
CHPT is leading the market and the gap is getting bigger. Those mentioned in video is far more bias. Or ignore CHPT with purpose.
Fast food is worse for you than dog food.
Electrify America has a set of chargers on the I-5 half way between LA and Sacramento. None of them worked. Thats probably the most strategic location in the country for a fast charger. Luckily my BMW i3 has the range extender. Otherwise I would have been f-ed.
I was down to my last 20 miles on the 5. The app sent me to station that doesn't exist, and the other location I barely made it to, only 1/5 EA chargers worked.
No mention of charge point 🤦🏽♂️
Chargepoint 🚀🚀🚀
Is this a Tesla commercial?
Seems nobody is here from Oklahoma. Francis Energy dominates this market, and as far as my experiences, the charging network works very well.
What's the ticket
What happens in given number of years and we can’t recycle the batteries.
Well, if we do some basic math, you're saying 10s of thousands of new DC Fast Charge stations are going to come online... have you considered grid impacts? New DC Fast Charge is rated at 350 kW each. That's 70 houses of power to charge one vehicle. At 10,000 vehicles, charging simultaneously would draw around 3.5 GW. Where's that going to come from? That's new unscheduled grid loading... not important? You don't mention grid impacts. Is that realistic?
EA absolutely has issues. Getting EA to activate is a royal PITA. At least their price is reasonable at EA.
Land is basically scarce/expensive in the huge cities in China, so the battery swap makes sense there.
How do you identify a government charging station? It's the one with chargers covered with graffiti and the charge cables have been stolen!
It also accepts ebt.
If you live in Hurricane threat area good luck with an EV. You’re either going to be stuck in counterflow evacuation traffic with a dead battery or stuck in your garage in the powerless aftermath for up to a month on average after the storm. I live in costal Louisiana and would never buy an EV myself but like the EVGO fundamentals as a long term play growth stock for the future.
$VLTA
I haven't had a problem with electrify america. Ive seen more run down chargepoints than electrify america. What is going on with tesla charging stations? I always see tesla stations nearly empty, but all the j177 stations full of teslas. And they don't charge an hour or so, they charge for like a day. I talked to a tesla owner while waiting to charge, they told me they charge 5 hours for 50 miles. Wtf? Im cool with my little 10 year leaf. 1 hour for 50 miles on a j177
STOP GOING TO MCDONALDS! Fake food! Have some respect for what you put into your body... PLEASE. It affects EVERYTHING! side note: great video.
I live in Los Angeles and I see a lot of Blink charging stations on random streets.
You live in Lost Causgels You Mean?
@@savorfm I have not, but I do see it being used by electric rental fleets.
The idea that Electrify America and the auto manufacturers are not going to be able to solve their compatibility issues is kind of silly. It isn't rocket science, even though it's surprising and embarrassing they haven't yet ironed out all the problems.
We won two World Wars and put men on the moon, but the government can't use subsidies for electric charging stations to help scale? Oh, I forgot that Ike got the national highway system built in the late '50's. Also, I think your thesis on Nio is flawed. The battery swap is one element for Nio, the benefit with batteries that can be swapped allows for upgrades or tech breakthroughs for old batteries to be switched for new batteries on older models to attack more Nio buyers.
But it's highly expensive for the company to do that and stupid for the company to do it.
@@user-RCST That's the same thing that Blockbuster Video said to Netflix and Sears said to Amazon.
@@danbaron9094 very different things.
@@user-RCST Are they? We're dealing with disruptive innovation at scale.
@@danbaron9094 Tesla's doing much more disruption than Nio.
Nice
CHPT 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀
I have had trouble with both EA and EVgo to the point where it's hard to trust "fast" chargers in general. It's infuriating.
ave you noticed? Gasoline cars will be banned from sale in 2035. Since the battery of an electric car deteriorates and cannot be regenerated, the car must be replaced every 10 years. In other words, in the 11th year, it is necessary to manufacture cars for popularization and cars for replacement. In other words, we have to manufacture twice as much. Ten years later, it will triple. It will continue until it reaches 1 billion units in the world, so in the end we must manufacture 100 million units every year. It lasts forever. Can you manufacture 100 million lithium-ion batteries per year forever? Can you buy it cheaply?
Change your guest I bet there is someone else!?
The guest is the worst.
One word for this review ! Pathetic ! No mention of the leading player ?
Green T-Shirt PAID LIAR. I am seeing everyday no problem charging other non-TSLA. Also, TSLA received and will receive another $50 BILLION Gov subsidies next 5 yrs. Gov should hv required TSLA to share their chargers in return
Paul loses all credibility when he invites people like Warren Redlich on his show. Hopefully Paul’s show does better than Warrens run for Gov lol
I'd like to get that 20 minutes of my life back... Please keep confusing people even more about EV charging. Make sure you're knowledgeable about a topic before making a video about it and that the guest isn't a Tesla fan boy in order to create a balanced view...
Great.. The speaker think that it's more trustworthy to rely on private industry electrons rather than government electrons (comparing electrons to food from McDonalds vs food from the gobment (intentionally misspelled..)) Additionally he adds that he owns stock in McDonalds (a high value stock).
His Tesla has a strong charging management system that governs flow of electrons to its batteries, to charge its batteries. This management system is onboard to the Tesla.
How is he unclear of this concept? Why is he even on this program when he provides incorrect information?
EVGo is not good. Slow/low output, expensive and poorly maintained here in Az. Odd that this host thinks otherwise. Single charger units is the norm for them in crowded mall parking lots. Frankly, worthless.
Hello Paul - I have a few ideas you might be interested in. With so many EV startups appearing, you may be interested in Imperium Motor Company and the Skywell ET5 SUV EV. | Perhaps a video about China 60% adoption of electric vehicles & how their technology can/could assists us here in North America. If we could ignore the political barriers mightn't the auto industry be further advanced on North American soil.
Lmao this boomer didn’t even answer the question but instead came here to say “Tesla is good”
Well, he isn’t wrong is he?
@@boulderghost4457 but no one was asking that question, i own tsla too
@@mewtoo never hurts to share. Now you have a wonderful day!
No because of that was Tesla I will partner with them and then later on are the outlets and convert them all to Tesla and all the other companies have to them by the components to charge their cars tester Outlet
Great, another Tesla propagandist. You mean you couldn't find someone who is more experienced with EVs as a whole instead of someone who is familiar with just 1 brand.
E Fill Electric frm India is also good
we need charge ports in the out skirts of las vegas the smalll townspahrump,beatty, betweeen vegas and pahrump on 160 ,,in neeed,,for chevy sparks,,,other then tesla,, we all dont have tesla's
Watch it Warren. McDonalds is great.
Warren owns a ton of Tesla stock so keep that in mind when he speaks. Very biased. Perhaps rightly so, but nothing is absolute
absolutely mind bloggling...🙃
Why Warren? His argumenrs are pure convenient stats which when you dive into, don't add up. Humans need a religion and some religions are more powerful than other art different points of history. Warren is just a follower of Elon religion. Tesla is ahead because they've been around and have apple like advantage of controlling the system. They didn't carry the baggage of older tech, and that got them where they are along with smart and good bets. I think they will remain ahead for a while. But Warren's takes are just purely conveniet data like talking about throughput - you can't get a full throughput at a charging station, because if it's full, you need to drive to another location. The max throughput assumption meaningful valid when it comes to low capacity station. Battery swap locations have their own problems, but max throughout isn't the right metric to compare. Here's a simple take - as charging tech gets commoditized, these will start working better. Specifically right now sure if the software is bad, it's mostly unfunded. You can update that over the air. Once the system starts making money, this will ask start getting their own boost. Necessity is the mother of all invention.
TSLA
Blink blink to 🌙🌙🌙
This was whack we know charpoing is best
Volta
THis got old real quick. Tesla, tesla, tesla...
Hmmm... so that Tesla groupie talks MAGA
So called Tesla UA-camr does not exactly seem to be an expert by any means.
1. So Tesla's biggest problem with letting other EV makers use their charging stations would be it would hit Tesla branding??? What? The same Tesla drivers see millions of other cars on the road, not at a charging station, does that hit tesla brand? It is totally understood if he said Tesla might let them use it for a higher charging fee.
2. Govt investing in EV infrastructure is not the same as Govt building the EV infrastructure. Govt has funded lot of technologies and infrastructure for the longest time. Simply bcoz Govt funds it, doesn't necessarily mean its bad. Extremely paranoid and irrational fellow.
Plus reference to Biden- Sorry if Trump funded it, would you go? Seems like a spiteful Trumper. Not saying all of them are the same. These ppl have started whining about everything Biden is doing and will keep on doing so for the next 4-8 years. Please keep political commentary of these videos otherwise it may turn away half the viewers.
3. FUD against Nio battery swap- Let it play out.
1. He didn't say it would hurt Tesla's brand; he said it might hurt the other car's brand. Not sure he's totally correct on this, but still thought it was worth correcting your comment.
2. He's not a Trump fan, either. He's talked about that before.
3. There are seriously projected problems with Nio battery swap, but I agree that we should see it play out. I don't think Warren's trying to stop them from building battery swap stations.
@@chrisw9534 thank you for clarifying this this person clearly is making a lot of assumptions.
McDonald's is garbage food, why would you eat that
It tastes great to me
i would pay a premium to supercharge at a mobile charger because i know it is pasteurised/kosher/halal