I understand the limitations if you’re using the unit as direction navigation (turn by turn) it always want to use real roads that is built into the software dynamics in what mapping you are using (City Navigator) for instance but if you import as a track which is a line overlaid on the map which you follow and determine the direction for yourself you can use the much more detailed topographic maps for your countries so you can use dirt tracks or unsurfaced routes. A nicely put together video showing the difference between the units. Thanks for sharing
Very useful comparison. I’ll stick with the 276cx. Pity it doesn’t have a touch screen when typing, still frustrating but a huge leap over the old 276.
guessing its because the 276 is a marine unit and there are no corners etc to identify on the water, so it needs to be more granular in its tracking than compare to a land based gps unit.
Good day. I just came across your channel and have subscribed. Thanks for sharing. I found the discussion between yourself and another viewer to be very informative. Regards from S Africa
Hi, if I understood correctly, you wanted turn by turn navigation on via those shaping points on the Montana, which was not possible due to the limit of 50 points. However, if you choose direct routing on the Montana, you’ll be able to navigate more than 50 points, but you’ll be restricted to a direct route between each point. I am thinking if you had the route details planned, this shouldn’t be a problem ? Unless there are sections of the route that require turn by turn example in a town or village.
as far as I understood from my Montana 700, you can import the track from Basecamp and then convert it into a "Strecke" (sorry... I don't know the correct menu-point in English-version). I think then it calculates the track as given and builds all the necessary shaping points. If I'm right, this would be a solution for the described problem. Until now, I could not verify but maybe someone else tested these steps?
hi bro, just to check, does the 276CX supports the automotive mode in map. the 700 can show the map with track up, north up or automotive mode. Just to confirm that
The Kurviger App has a limit of 200 points. Impossible to get navigation for the TET as it is to long and complex for only 200 points. However, it is possible to import the gpx as a track and manually follow the track showed on the screen. Annoying. If the track is known and corect I can't understand why it not possible to make a route. Why limit the number of points? It does not make sense.
When you chose "navigate track" in those devices (same for both) you don't get any turn by turn navigation. Only the direction arrow will point where to go. So quite useless in my opinion. Basically the same as just showing the track on the map and follow it without turn instructions - something I do often!
Since I now own the 276Cx and 750i, I can say, that you are doing something wrong! My 750i loads all routes as my 276Cx does and doesn't recalculate them during import. So import takes max. 1 second. All imported routes are identical on both devices here. So I can saftly say, the 750i does support RPE data. The only point is, you need to make sure, you use the same map as on your device in Basecamp. If not, you get the problems in your video with the Montana.
That's interesting. My 276cx can take up to 20 minutes to import shaping points, if you I try a long route of maybe 500km with many shaping points! And to my knowledge, none of the handheld "outdoor" units like e g the old Montana 600 has ever supported shaping points (RPE data)! When you start an imported route in the 750, do you get a question how to calculate the route (shortest / fastest...)?
I now convinced that the 700 series does NOT support shaping points / RPE data, after doing some experiments. Try the following. Create a route (1) in Basecamp, maybe five or ten waypoints / via points. Create a track from that route. Then create a route (2) from this track and the resulting route will not have any visible waypoints or via points. If you check that route (2) in basecamp you will see that it only lists start and end point. Load that route (2) and the track in both the 700/750 and in the 276. Show the track on the map. Start navigation using that route (2). The 276 will show "importing shaping points" and calculate a route that exactly resembles the track, using the shaping points / RPE data that is invisibly hidden in the route (2) file. The Montana however will show you a preview of the route as a straight line between start and destination and calculate a route based on your current routing settings, that not necessarily follows the track. So it does NOT take the RPE shaping points into consideration. You statement that routes transferred to the 700/750 will be exactly as created in BC is because you use the same map and the unit will use the profile settings that you had configured in the software. Even if you set calculation mode to "promted" in the currently active profile it will NOT ask, but calculate based on what was defined in BC.
@@kai-uweoch1159 No, I am not! That's what I meant. I tested several routes, which I use on my 276Cx. So I have start and end, maybe 2-3 via points and about 60-80 shaping points. Length about 300km. Routes are transfered via BaseCamp with setting to remove all shaping points during transfer. My 750i in configured to ask for routes, which profile and activity I want to use. If I start this transfered route, I am not getting asked, instead, it shown directly after 1-2 seconds and If I click on start, the routes begins and I can drive. It behaves exactly the same, as my 276Cx do. So my 750i works with RPE data and can read it.
@@kai-uweoch1159 I tried now your suggestion, create route -> convert to track and convert back to route. So I have now only a start and end, but no via points or shapoing points. Only those embedded shaping points by basecamp. I tried this with a 250km route. If I load now on my 750i, it is not recalculated! Takes again 1-2 seconds and I can start the route and drive. It's also exactly the same as in Basecamp. All RPE data is honored. I also verified this by showing the track, so it's the same route. If RPE data wouldn't be used, the route would be totally wrong and something different would be shown on recalculation. And you say, that I have the same route, because of the same profile / settings in BaseCamp. That's not possible here, as I have on porpose created a complete different profile with very different settings. So I can rule that out. I am very sure, the 750i is not recalculating.
@@ConiKost Hi again, Conrad! This is really bizarre! That route which I created by converting a route to a track to a route (and which then only lists start and end point) is shown in the preview only as a straight line between start point and end point. BUT: Then after maybe 10 seconds the unit beeps and then it follows the intended route (and overlays the track perfectly, that is visible in the background)! So in fact it might take some time for the unit to import the RPE data, just like the 276cx. My 276 is extremely slow with that, but at least it shows the progress in %. For that one (the 276cx) for really long routes of several hundred kilometers this can take 15minutes! Back to the 700i: I had not been waiting that long so far, because the unit does not show in any way that it's doing something in the background when that preview just shows the "birds way"! So in fact it looks like you are right: the 700 series is reading the RPD data. Glad news and I am happy to be proven wrong! ;-)
I understand the limitations if you’re using the unit as direction navigation (turn by turn) it always want to use real roads that is built into the software dynamics in what mapping you are using (City Navigator) for instance but if you import as a track which is a line overlaid on the map which you follow and determine the direction for yourself you can use the much more detailed topographic maps for your countries so you can use dirt tracks or unsurfaced routes. A nicely put together video showing the difference between the units. Thanks for sharing
Excellent video, totally agree, Garmin missing a trick with these shaping points, especially with the 700 unit at 700 euro . Sweden TET is on my list.
Very useful comparison. I’ll stick with the 276cx. Pity it doesn’t have a touch screen when typing, still frustrating but a huge leap over the old 276.
Thanks for this useful and pratical review. Its the only important approach.
guessing its because the 276 is a marine unit and there are no corners etc to identify on the water, so it needs to be more granular in its tracking than compare to a land based gps unit.
Good day.
I just came across your channel and have subscribed.
Thanks for sharing.
I found the discussion between yourself and another viewer to be very informative.
Regards from S Africa
Hi, if I understood correctly, you wanted turn by turn navigation on via those shaping points on the Montana, which was not possible due to the limit of 50 points. However, if you choose direct routing on the Montana, you’ll be able to navigate more than 50 points, but you’ll be restricted to a direct route between each point. I am thinking if you had the route details planned, this shouldn’t be a problem ? Unless there are sections of the route that require turn by turn example in a town or village.
Routing in Garmin is frustrating and should be fixed. Trouble is that both of Gamin's engineers as busy with watches
Hi. Which one of these 2 would you think is better for off road motorcycling ? Thank you
as far as I understood from my Montana 700, you can import the track from Basecamp and then convert it into a "Strecke" (sorry... I don't know the correct menu-point in English-version). I think then it calculates the track as given and builds all the necessary shaping points. If I'm right, this would be a solution for the described problem. Until now, I could not verify but maybe someone else tested these steps?
The problem is not really a problem. No one is stopping you from creating two routes one after the other. Or ten, each with 50 points
hi bro, just to check, does the 276CX supports the automotive mode in map. the 700 can show the map with track up, north up or automotive mode. Just to confirm that
Hi. I have 250 tracks. Almost 4000 waypoints stored on GPSMAP 276cx. How can you view it faster? Is it possible? TIA
Södertour 😂 sehr cool 👌
Do you know by any chance how the Zumo XT handles shaping points? And if it has the 50 point limit too?
The Kurviger App has a limit of 200 points.
Impossible to get navigation for the TET as it is to long and complex for only 200 points.
However, it is possible to import the gpx as a track and manually follow the track showed on the screen. Annoying.
If the track is known and corect I can't understand why it not possible to make a route. Why limit the number of points?
It does not make sense.
Why didn’t you navigate the track?
Convert the route in a track, open the track in both devices and navigate them.
When you chose "navigate track" in those devices (same for both) you don't get any turn by turn navigation. Only the direction arrow will point where to go. So quite useless in my opinion. Basically the same as just showing the track on the map and follow it without turn instructions - something I do often!
Since I now own the 276Cx and 750i, I can say, that you are doing something wrong! My 750i loads all routes as my 276Cx does and doesn't recalculate them during import. So import takes max. 1 second. All imported routes are identical on both devices here. So I can saftly say, the 750i does support RPE data. The only point is, you need to make sure, you use the same map as on your device in Basecamp. If not, you get the problems in your video with the Montana.
That's interesting. My 276cx can take up to 20 minutes to import shaping points, if you I try a long route of maybe 500km with many shaping points! And to my knowledge, none of the handheld "outdoor" units like e g the old Montana 600 has ever supported shaping points (RPE data)! When you start an imported route in the 750, do you get a question how to calculate the route (shortest / fastest...)?
I now convinced that the 700 series does NOT support shaping points / RPE data, after doing some experiments. Try the following. Create a route (1) in Basecamp, maybe five or ten waypoints / via points. Create a track from that route. Then create a route (2) from this track and the resulting route will not have any visible waypoints or via points. If you check that route (2) in basecamp you will see that it only lists start and end point. Load that route (2) and the track in both the 700/750 and in the 276. Show the track on the map. Start navigation using that route (2). The 276 will show "importing shaping points" and calculate a route that exactly resembles the track, using the shaping points / RPE data that is invisibly hidden in the route (2) file. The Montana however will show you a preview of the route as a straight line between start and destination and calculate a route based on your current routing settings, that not necessarily follows the track. So it does NOT take the RPE shaping points into consideration.
You statement that routes transferred to the 700/750 will be exactly as created in BC is because you use the same map and the unit will use the profile settings that you had configured in the software. Even if you set calculation mode to "promted" in the currently active profile it will NOT ask, but calculate based on what was defined in BC.
@@kai-uweoch1159 No, I am not! That's what I meant. I tested several routes, which I use on my 276Cx. So I have start and end, maybe 2-3 via points and about 60-80 shaping points. Length about 300km. Routes are transfered via BaseCamp with setting to remove all shaping points during transfer. My 750i in configured to ask for routes, which profile and activity I want to use. If I start this transfered route, I am not getting asked, instead, it shown directly after 1-2 seconds and If I click on start, the routes begins and I can drive. It behaves exactly the same, as my 276Cx do.
So my 750i works with RPE data and can read it.
@@kai-uweoch1159 I tried now your suggestion, create route -> convert to track and convert back to route. So I have now only a start and end, but no via points or shapoing points. Only those embedded shaping points by basecamp. I tried this with a 250km route.
If I load now on my 750i, it is not recalculated! Takes again 1-2 seconds and I can start the route and drive. It's also exactly the same as in Basecamp. All RPE data is honored. I also verified this by showing the track, so it's the same route. If RPE data wouldn't be used, the route would be totally wrong and something different would be shown on recalculation.
And you say, that I have the same route, because of the same profile / settings in BaseCamp. That's not possible here, as I have on porpose created a complete different profile with very different settings. So I can rule that out. I am very sure, the 750i is not recalculating.
@@ConiKost Hi again, Conrad! This is really bizarre! That route which I created by converting a route to a track to a route (and which then only lists start and end point) is shown in the preview only as a straight line between start point and end point. BUT: Then after maybe 10 seconds the unit beeps and then it follows the intended route (and overlays the track perfectly, that is visible in the background)! So in fact it might take some time for the unit to import the RPE data, just like the 276cx. My 276 is extremely slow with that, but at least it shows the progress in %. For that one (the 276cx) for really long routes of several hundred kilometers this can take 15minutes!
Back to the 700i: I had not been waiting that long so far, because the unit does not show in any way that it's doing something in the background when that preview just shows the "birds way"! So in fact it looks like you are right: the 700 series is reading the RPD data. Glad news and I am happy to be proven wrong! ;-)
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