@@kevanjoel1671from what o understand they get moved up in the algorithm and possibly more ad revenue with more comments. I comment both to learn and help the podcaster out for the free education.
Have you spoken with David Boice of "52 Churches in 52 weeks" yet? UA-cam lead me to him yesterday and it was a very needed breath of fresh air for me.
The honest charitable dialogue between you two is the authentic version of what we only get simulacrum of elsewhere. If there were ever anything that would jolt my inactive atheistic heart back into attendance of church services, it would be the likes of you two in leadership positions.
Steven and Greg thank you for this wonderful interview. This felt Christian!! So refreshing to just listen to people who have many different opinions talk to each other civilly, with patience and respect. I’ve grown so tired of the attacking that goes on. I know The Savior would be so pleased with this type of discourse. Steven - Your three questions at the end were especially powerful. Greg - Loved your answers! Great job to both of you!
Comments are a lot less controversial and contentious than Steven thought they would be. I was looking for them and couldn't even find them. That speaks volumes for both people. Great job.
As an adult convert (raised Catholic in a smal NE Baptist and Pentecostal town) and TBM, I found this an excellent discussion and interaction. The Savior that I see in the scriptures is more interested in ‘building bridges’ (as seen here) … especially in these ‘latter days’ prior to His return! … than in tearing others down (Sadducees and Pharisees as well as many in the different anti communities, although they all think they are doing GOD’s will, I am sure … no one sees themselves as satan’s minions). Having said that, we all make mistakes, there was only one perfect man and you both seem to have the intent to Follow Him . Bravo!
He's controversial among some people because he thinks being critical of systemic racism is a Marxist plot, that gay marriage is not ordained of God, etc. He's anti-progressive and so progressive people find him controversial. Someone who agrees with that that is lds obviously would not find him controversial.
@@davidjanbaz7728 is it okay if I call you my brother too? The teachings of your Christ and my Christ would be extremely similar. I love for example the two great commandments. Love god and love your neighbor. Hopefully we are seeking commonality and love for each other. Thanks Brother.
I'm a fan of both of you. Great conversation. I love the variety of perspectives offered by MBR! While I don't agree some of Greg's perspectives, I enjoy listening to his perspectives to balance my perspectives, and to better understand the perspectives of some of the older, more Orthodox TBM's in my own ward as we arrive to make out elders quorum a supportive environment for the gay brothers in our quorum
I enjoyed this so much! I am a dedicated follower of Greg because his views of life, the gospel, wokeness, etc. coincides with mine. I learn a lot from him and love hearing his testimony. His example shows that we can love and cheer for individuals even if we disagree with the ideology. Steve, you are new to me but I loved getting to know you. It was great hearing some of your background - that you once were an atheist, that you are a gay man, that you an Evangelical. I watched because you had Greg on your show, but now I will watch to hear more of your wisdom and views. You and Greg are 2 men that I can look up to and admire for your honesty, your way of approaching your different points of view, and you don't put on airs and try to appear to be more than you are. What you are is already more. Of course, I will expect that you both will grow and become even more.
I am old enough to remember years ago when one of the other presidents of the church tried to get us to use the full name instead of Mormon. It was too much for us lazy people and we instantly went back to using Mormon. I think the way they are doing it this time it will stick.
The prophet was Gordon B. Hinkley who made that announcement in a general conference & the brethren made special efforts afterwards. I remember it well.
I remember Greg having 52 Churches and Hello Saints over on the CWIC channel. Enjoyed the discussions. Greg is NOT right wing. But it "shows to go ya" how there is a huge gap between liberals and leftists these days!
As a convert, your UA-cam’s have been much more help than anyone in the church. I have several friends that are cradle Mormons and lack the ability to answer most of my questions and it seems not many if any question anything. I expected with the LDS mission program that most would be full of knowledge but that isn’t true. Greg, I am really grateful for yours and Pastor Jeff’s journey as well! Learned a lot through these videos. I was really disappointed this week when I saw some lds UA-camrs basically ripping him and his intentions apart. This is not a good look for any Christian. Shame on them and their followers making accusations. Interfaith community is so important right now.
I love how Greg defends Hello Saints at 27:19 Having a family with both Evangelicals and LDS it is truly as Greg puts it an "olive branch". We need to come closer to Jesus and if that is the goal then all the other stuff is fluff.
The Jesus of Evangelicals isn't the Jesus of Mormonism: both cannot get closer to the Same Jesus: only 1 is the correct way to God ( trinity). From the Two Powers in Heaven Israelite theology of Jesus, the Apostles including Paul.
@@darkforgiven360 it doesn't change the fact of totally different Godheads between Christianity and Mormonism! They both can't be right and neither can the LDS church be what Mormons claim it to be. The Church of Jesus Christ: it started on the Day of Pentecost. LDS doctrines R counterfeit and redefined to be diametrically opposed to historical Christianity through the filters of your added books. Being friendly is one thing but accepting Mormons as Christian brothers isn't in the cards unless the LDS church gives up much of its heretical doctrines. I don't see that happening soon: but they will keep trying new wording on their definitions to sound more Christian to the general public. A counterfeit only works if you cannot tell it apart from real Christian churches.
@@davidjanbaz7728 only one have direct revelation and authority from God. Only one received the keys of the kingdom as was given to the 12 Apostles in the Bible. Only 1 is the same exact church that Jesus created and he remains the head of it today leading it and guiding it. Only 1 of them have the full and complete Gospel of Jesus Christ. Only 1 that God chose. Only 1 is true and the other is false, man made. Only 1 bears the name of Jesus Christ. Only 1 have the full truth about the Godhead as the Bible mentions. Only one that is misleading with false teachings. Only one made up who God is with a new name that doesn’t match the Bible teachings. Only 1 is persecuted by satan and his minions. Only one have the same organization Jesus created with a Prophet and 12 Apostles. Only one that is doing the work of God. Only one is preaching to every kindred, nation and tongue. Only one looks after the poor, the needy and the less fortunate. Only one is debt free. Only 1 that do not have any paid clergy. Only 1 that do not steal God’s money and line their pockets with it. Only one that preaches truth. Only 1 that doesn’t attack other different denominations.
My favorite Bible story (Old Testament) is Joseph of Egypt. He went about doing good. And all he got for his efforts was persecution. Until his time came. At first I thought it was a type of “Cinderella” story. Then I realized it was similar to the path of our Savior. And then I realized all the times I had been treated unkindly for no fault of my own. In fact I was very obedient, kind, and did well in many things. I have had a bumpy ride, but I am doing well these days and stay clear of unkind and manipulative people.
I appreciate Gregg's maverick pov. He is a free thinker and asks questions that make people uncomfortable. That's a good thing. My opinion is that the LDS church is the Mormon church. It's the Brighamite branch. It's not the Church of Jesus Christ anymore. Hasn't been since Joseph was killed.
Stephen you are absolutely correct we are living in a world that is hostile to Christianity, and we need to lock arms together and push for the cause of Christ in the world
Nothing controversial about Greg. The fact that your listeners think he should be displatformed is an indictment on your listeners as being extremist, not Greg.
First of all the church name was never Mormon! It has always been the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. When we use Mormons non believer thinks that we don’t worship Jesus Christ but Mormon and Joseph Smith.
Your Jesus is totally different than the Biblical Jesus: so a counterfeit Jesus may seem to be Authentic to you but that's because you can't see the major differences in the Godheads.
I had no idea that Greg not Jacob were controversial. Both discuss the gospel very closely in line with mainstream LDS understanding but with a great depth of knowledge. If you are talking LDS theology, why would you not talk to people like that?
Greg Matsen looks like an Oompa loompa with a mustache. He's orange has no eye brows? And Steven got interested in the Mormon Church as an 8 year old art enthusiast? 10:05 "That's actually what got me involved in Mormonism in the first place, was was wass its... Seeing those paintings, as an 8 year old boy, in the Marriott hotel...." Great stuff guys!
MORMONS ARE CHRISTIANS! THE ONLY DIFFERENCES ARE We don't believe the Bible is the only written authority from God, our faith has zero archaeological evidence to back it up, the Book of Mormon has tons of contradictions, we believe Jesus was a created being, that Lucifer is his brother, and that God has a wife. Oh, Jesus also came from a star called Kolob. We also don't believe in the Trinity, or that God is omnipresent, and anyone not of the Mormon faith is part of the "church of abomination." BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE ARE THE SAME! Lol
One of the things Greg does better than many UA-camrs is interact with commenters. He’s open to sincere nuanced discussions.
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@@kevanjoel1671from what o understand they get moved up in the algorithm and possibly more ad revenue with more comments. I comment both to learn and help the podcaster out for the free education.
Yes. He comments on many of my posts.
Hey Anthony!
@@CwicShow Great interview!
I really enjoyed this interview! Thanks Steven!
Thanks again for coming on. I look forward to coming onto your program soon!
Have you spoken with David Boice of "52 Churches in 52 weeks" yet? UA-cam lead me to him yesterday and it was a very needed breath of fresh air for me.
@@GldnClaw yes. I have interviewed David before.
@@GldnClaw Yes. Watch my latest episode. He has been a guest on my program 4 times!
I love how cordial and honest these two guys are to each other. No need for arguing!
What a great world it would be if we could all be the way these two guys are to each other.
The honest charitable dialogue between you two is the authentic version of what we only get simulacrum of elsewhere.
If there were ever anything that would jolt my inactive atheistic heart back into attendance of church services, it would be the likes of you two in leadership positions.
Avid listener of both MBR & Cwic. Love you both. Glad this conversation happened!
Steven and Greg thank you for this wonderful interview.
This felt Christian!!
So refreshing to just listen to people who have many different opinions talk to each other civilly, with patience and respect.
I’ve grown so tired of the attacking that goes on. I know The Savior would be so pleased with this type of discourse.
Steven - Your three questions at the end were especially powerful.
Greg - Loved your answers!
Great job to both of you!
Thank you for such a great conversation! May God continue to bless you both.
Cwic media and Greg are great. Love the content and believe he truly is trying to teach truth.
Comments are a lot less controversial and contentious than Steven thought they would be. I was looking for them and couldn't even find them. That speaks volumes for both people. Great job.
As an adult convert (raised Catholic in a smal NE Baptist and Pentecostal town) and TBM, I found this an excellent discussion and interaction. The Savior that I see in the scriptures is more interested in ‘building bridges’ (as seen here) … especially in these ‘latter days’ prior to His return! … than in tearing others down (Sadducees and Pharisees as well as many in the different anti communities, although they all think they are doing GOD’s will, I am sure … no one sees themselves as satan’s minions). Having said that, we all make mistakes, there was only one perfect man and you both seem to have the intent to Follow Him . Bravo!
I'm a big fan of Greg's show. I don't find him very controversial, which I guess just means that I have pretty similar classical liberal views.
He's controversial among some people because he thinks being critical of systemic racism is a Marxist plot, that gay marriage is not ordained of God, etc. He's anti-progressive and so progressive people find him controversial. Someone who agrees with that that is lds obviously would not find him controversial.
Brothers in Christ. Thanks both for your example of understanding differences and defenders of Christ
Brothers in Different Christs ! : they aren't the same if you understand Mormon and Christian theologies!
@@davidjanbaz7728 is it okay if I call you my brother too? The teachings of your Christ and my Christ would be extremely similar. I love for example the two great commandments. Love god and love your neighbor. Hopefully we are seeking commonality and love for each other. Thanks Brother.
I'm a fan of both of you. Great conversation. I love the variety of perspectives offered by MBR! While I don't agree some of Greg's perspectives, I enjoy listening to his perspectives to balance my perspectives, and to better understand the perspectives of some of the older, more Orthodox TBM's in my own ward as we arrive to make out elders quorum a supportive environment for the gay brothers in our quorum
At 2:07. I am a fan of both Greg and Steven. They both have great content on their channels.
Great interview! Two important online “LDS voices” right here!
Awesome show great content. Thank You kindly!
Very well done, both of you! Brothers in Christ having a sincere and respectful discussion about interesting topics. This was very easy to listen to.
Another wonderful conversation with a LDS christian.
Fantastic interview!! Love Greg s podcast.
I enjoyed this so much! I am a dedicated follower of Greg because his views of life, the gospel, wokeness, etc. coincides with mine. I learn a lot from him and love hearing his testimony. His example shows that we can love and cheer for individuals even if we disagree with the ideology. Steve, you are new to me but I loved getting to know you. It was great hearing some of your background - that you once were an atheist, that you are a gay man, that you an Evangelical. I watched because you had Greg on your show, but now I will watch to hear more of your wisdom and views. You and Greg are 2 men that I can look up to and admire for your honesty, your way of approaching your different points of view, and you don't put on airs and try to appear to be more than you are. What you are is already more. Of course, I will expect that you both will grow and become even more.
I am old enough to remember years ago when one of the other presidents of the church tried to get us to use the full name instead of Mormon. It was too much for us lazy people and we instantly went back to using Mormon. I think the way they are doing it this time it will stick.
The prophet was Gordon B. Hinkley who made that announcement in a general conference & the brethren made special efforts afterwards. I remember it well.
@@diannepandolfo8855 yep
Greg and CWIC MEDIA are the best!
Excellent conversation.
Awesome!! Love the crossover.
I remember Greg having 52 Churches and Hello Saints over on the CWIC channel.
Enjoyed the discussions.
Greg is NOT right wing.
But it "shows to go ya" how there is a huge gap between liberals and leftists these days!
As a convert, your UA-cam’s have been much more help than anyone in the church. I have several friends that are cradle Mormons and lack the ability to answer most of my questions and it seems not many if any question anything. I expected with the LDS mission program that most would be full of knowledge but that isn’t true. Greg, I am really grateful for yours and Pastor Jeff’s journey as well! Learned a lot through these videos. I was really disappointed this week when I saw some lds UA-camrs basically ripping him and his intentions apart. This is not a good look for any Christian. Shame on them and their followers making accusations. Interfaith community is so important right now.
I love how Greg defends Hello Saints at 27:19
Having a family with both Evangelicals and LDS it is truly as Greg puts it an "olive branch". We need to come closer to Jesus and if that is the goal then all the other stuff is fluff.
The Jesus of Evangelicals isn't the Jesus of Mormonism: both cannot get closer to the Same Jesus: only 1 is the correct way to God ( trinity). From the Two Powers in Heaven Israelite theology of Jesus, the Apostles including Paul.
@@davidjanbaz7728 ua-cam.com/video/47R5Wp-pgeM/v-deo.html he makes his views clear. He is not compromising.
@@darkforgiven360 it doesn't change the fact of totally different Godheads between Christianity and Mormonism!
They both can't be right and neither can the LDS church be what Mormons claim it to be.
The Church of Jesus Christ: it started on the Day of Pentecost.
LDS doctrines R counterfeit and redefined to be diametrically opposed to historical Christianity through the filters of your added books.
Being friendly is one thing but accepting Mormons as Christian brothers isn't in the cards unless the LDS church gives up much of its heretical doctrines.
I don't see that happening soon: but they will keep trying new wording on their definitions to sound more Christian to the general public.
A counterfeit only works if you cannot tell it apart from real Christian churches.
@@davidjanbaz7728 only one have direct revelation and authority from God. Only one received the keys of the kingdom as was given to the 12 Apostles in the Bible. Only 1 is the same exact church that Jesus created and he remains the head of it today leading it and guiding it. Only 1 of them have the full and complete Gospel of Jesus Christ. Only 1 that God chose. Only 1 is true and the other is false, man made. Only 1 bears the name of Jesus Christ. Only 1 have the full truth about the Godhead as the Bible mentions. Only one that is misleading with false teachings. Only one made up who God is with a new name that doesn’t match the Bible teachings. Only 1 is persecuted by satan and his minions. Only one have the same organization Jesus created with a Prophet and 12 Apostles. Only one that is doing the work of God. Only one is preaching to every kindred, nation and tongue. Only one looks after the poor, the needy and the less fortunate. Only one is debt free. Only 1 that do not have any paid clergy. Only 1 that do not steal God’s money and line their pockets with it. Only one that preaches truth. Only 1 that doesn’t attack other different denominations.
My favorite Bible story (Old Testament) is Joseph of Egypt. He went about doing good. And all he got for his efforts was persecution. Until his time came. At first I thought it was a type of “Cinderella” story. Then I realized it was similar to the path of our Savior. And then I realized all the times I had been treated unkindly for no fault of my own. In fact I was very obedient, kind, and did well in many things. I have had a bumpy ride, but I am doing well these days and stay clear of unkind and manipulative people.
Who says he's controversial? He absolutely is not.
I appreciate Gregg's maverick pov. He is a free thinker and asks questions that make people uncomfortable. That's a good thing.
My opinion is that the LDS church is the Mormon church. It's the Brighamite branch. It's not the Church of Jesus Christ anymore. Hasn't been since Joseph was killed.
Stephen you are absolutely correct we are living in a world that is hostile to Christianity, and we need to lock arms together and push for the cause of Christ in the world
Loved this interview.
I'm with you Greg on the political parties....a pox on both their houses.
I'm very far left politically. Also a faithful member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Let’s see if Steven will do a show on “Are Mormon Christians “
I definitely will do an episode about that at some point. Thanks for the suggestion!
Nothing controversial about Greg. The fact that your listeners think he should be displatformed is an indictment on your listeners as being extremist, not Greg.
Greg is awesome
First of all the church name was never Mormon! It has always been the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. When we use Mormons non believer thinks that we don’t worship Jesus Christ but Mormon and Joseph Smith.
Your Jesus is totally different than the Biblical Jesus: so a counterfeit Jesus may seem to be Authentic to you but that's because you can't see the major differences in the Godheads.
The first name of your church was the Church of Christ in the D&C where they actually use wine for sacrament : both have obviously changed!
I had no idea that Greg not Jacob were controversial. Both discuss the gospel very closely in line with mainstream LDS understanding but with a great depth of knowledge. If you are talking LDS theology, why would you not talk to people like that?
Yep. I got attacked by an evangelical on my mission. Totally derailed me
What are TBMS pleas I am from Europe?
Yes. Or true believing mormon
What is TBM?
True Believing Mormon or True Blue Mormon
What is a TBM?
True Believing Mormon (or True Blue Mormon), so full belief in traditional church doctrine.
I thought Bonhoeffer was married to a woman. I don’t remember Metaxas telling that part of his history. Interesting.
Yes, at the time he was imprisoned, Bonhoeffer was engaged to a younger woman, Maria von Wedemeyer. They were in fact in love.
Interesting to hear Greg described as not being right-wing. He mentions a lot of right-wing values in this interview.
I get attacked by conservatives. Just sayin' (Glad you don't though.)
Whatbis TBM?
True Blue or True Believing Mormon
Oh I thought that’s what you meant
Greg Matsen looks like an Oompa loompa with a mustache. He's orange has no eye brows?
And Steven got interested in the Mormon Church as an 8 year old art enthusiast?
10:05 "That's actually what got me involved in Mormonism in the first place, was was wass its... Seeing those paintings, as an 8 year old boy, in the Marriott hotel...."
Great stuff guys!
"I've got a perfect puzzle for you"
He doesn't identify as right wing but he makes his money and views by only giving right wing talking points infused with conservative LDS Mormonism
tell me you don't watch his show without telling me you don't watch his show
TBN?
TBM. Means True Believing Mormon or True Blue Mormon
TBM=True Blue Mormon
Thank you. I'd never heard it before.
@@cindypyeatt3535 You're welcome!
He seems to be a dogmatic person whereas the LDS doctrine is always changing.
sheep following rams....
And yet....here you are.
MORMONS ARE CHRISTIANS!
THE ONLY DIFFERENCES ARE
We don't believe the Bible is the only written authority from God, our faith has zero archaeological evidence to back it up, the Book of Mormon has tons of contradictions, we believe Jesus was a created being, that Lucifer is his brother, and that God has a wife. Oh, Jesus also came from a star called Kolob. We also don't believe in the Trinity, or that God is omnipresent, and anyone not of the Mormon faith is part of the "church of abomination."
BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE ARE THE SAME! Lol
The spirit of your comment does not convince me that you are a true Christian, thereby rendering it meaningless.
@@kevanjoel1671 Blood bought, “born again”-signed, sealed and on my way to glory….so yes my friend I’m a Christian.
@@Truthatallcosts777 so you say…
Clever way of bashing the church.
Do you know it is a myth that there is NO archeological evidence supporting the Book of Mormon? nahom.