Wow!!! I love Dr. Hayhoe's analogy: Regarding Net Zero: if the Earth is a pool and water is greenhouse gases then we need to stop the flow coming out of the hose, we need to make the drain of effluent much bigger and we needs to learn to swim. The learning to swim is adaptation.
Awesome interview! Thank you, Katharine & Paul! The swimming pool illustration is excellent. Regarding adaptation, I appreciate the early warning about El Nino 2024 on your channel, Paul. It sounds like we need to be prepared, spiritually first and foremost, for a growth-inducing test of our resilience, in lockstep with another US presidential election year. In addition to Texas, both California and Florida are on the adaptation frontlines in the US. We could see Governors Newsom and DeSantis leading in early 2024 on competing national resilience strategies, if Biden and Trump aren't frontrunning. Forest fire risk reduction, water conservation, hurricane preparedness and power outage preparedness could be adaptation priorities for 2023. So could grain and pulse reserves, if we can proactively divert them from intensive livestock farming into distributed global storage by the end of the year without shedding net jobs or raising staples prices. On mitigation, you mention the sensitive topic of reproductive ethics and mental health. This feels like an important area for discussion and support. Perhaps down the road, it might be possible and helpful for CEF to interview Sarah Conly about One Child: Do We Have a Right to More? On sequestration, I appreciate the balanced attention to both nature-based and technology-based solutions. Everything that works! God bless.
Great interview!!! Paul, Regina and Peter, the Facing Future channel just did a video about iron salt aerosols mitigating a methane burst and about setting up a committee to review the process including Indigenous leaders. The video features Peter Fiekowsky. Paul, I know you had covered iron salt aerosols before on your channel.
We had the hose turned down by nature by 7% in 2020, however, water level increased faster than in years with a weaker hose (lower emissions) due to carbon sink variability.
@@EvolutionWendy That's true, there was 7% less to sequester in that one year after all. But as the emissions rose above previous records almost immediately, there was and I expect will not be any measurable slowdown in co2 concentration increase.. Only a decrease in the speed of the increase isbwhat I would expect. Do you think that is correct ?
I am sceptical of "techno solutions". Tech is what got us into trouble in the first place. Tech solutions still ignore the root cause of problems, namely overshoot of which global warming is an effect. Tech solutions will only allow overshoot to continue and to affect the environment in other ways.
Hmm a PhD at Ohio State College I think Has Math that suggest 1 tenth of any desert turned green can remove all C02 from 1700 till now has the numbers changed? &Thank you for your sharing of this most important information.
Youre not going to eliminate the meat industry. You're just going to make it into a luxury for the rich and powerful just like personal transportation and flying. But Thanks I guess...
How does civilization function without fossil fuels? It doesn't seem like we can live the way we're used to living without them. What does reducing fossil fuel usage look like for the average person living in a city? Do we have time to figure out how the "power down" will go, especially considering that most people have no idea that we need to do this or will willingly do this?
how would it look? a lot more peaceful. because we can stop financing regimes and their wars around the world. for the average person living in a city? a lot healthier. the average person in a city doesn't have a car, because the average person in a city can't afford it. instead the average person in a city suffers from air pollution, noise, traffic jams, and the constant danger of being run over. the average person won't have to do much anyway, since (even in rich countries) it's just a few percent who are responsible for most emissions.
It looks like living in harmony with nature, not against it. Economists have created an impossible situation by forcing the world to use models that have no foundation in reality. But we have much to gain: time, stability, health, relationships, meaning, community. All we have to do is sacrifice money and energy (and meat and machines). Best advice, stay away from Texas for a few decades.
Insofar as Hayhoe’s comments about NBSs (nature based solutions), I disagree with her comment around the 16:30 mark. We do NOT need to know why and how such solutions work. I don’t need to know how and why the car or bus or train or plane (or funicular…) works in order move from where I am to where I want to be. All I need know is where I am isn’t where I want to be and that there are various means to get where I want to go’
thankfully we (the people repairing your cars) still know how your car works. although if we didn't, emissions would actually go down. and btw, you know how your car works. if you have a drivers license you learned that!
Global Weirding was one of the first things I watched when I was starting to dig much deeper into the climate crisis. Since then my way of thinking has changed massively. It seems like Katherine has not moved anywhere near as much. But I am seeing some signs that she’s getting more realistic, so that’s good. I wouldn’t put her in the Michael Mann camp by any means.
Restoration isn't possible while you're still trashing the place. The least we can do now is leave the place less toxic for the few that might survive. World population still rising? The habitat is not able to be more efficient every couple of years. Learn how to swim? What's the point of that if you can then never touch the bottom? You will drown...
Greed, power,politics,superiority etc. are the winning ingredients to a successful civilization! It’s just that no one told us that the award of civilization is deadly!
@Joe any student of history could tell you civilizations fall. Thomas Piketty is a visionary. Just fished reading his Capital and ideology, in which he traces the various forms civilizations has taken around the world across history and shows how each -what he refers to ineqality regime’ - is formulated so as to justify the inequities. He goes into detail about how over time many of those socities transitioned from one form of social structure into a different form and he examines various factors that led up to (or forced!) those transitions. Piketty proposes that the climate crisis is a new factor. One that may open up a new path forward. How to transition to a society far less inegalitarian. It is common for times of crisis to be times of transition. Sometimes it takes a major shock to the system to serve as the wake up call that things need to change, if only to adjust to changes for which we were neither ready nor prepared. Naïveté can be quite disarming. Consider human nature (think history). Consider that Exxon knew almost to the tenth of a degree what the warming would be in the 70’s and not only kept pumping/drilling, but devoted huge $ to misinformation campaigns. From what I know of human nature and what I see of what those in power being willing to use that power to preserve their position at all costs… Best to all
I don't want fossil fuels either, yet esg Green is not very useful in actuality. Wait until summer when everyone needs cooling. And manufacturing requires oil. Nuclear energy is the only clean energy that no one wants. What is the solution?
A beautiful conversation, many thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow!!! I love Dr. Hayhoe's analogy: Regarding Net Zero: if the Earth is a pool and water is greenhouse gases then we need to stop the flow coming out of the hose, we need to make the drain of effluent much bigger and we needs to learn to swim. The learning to swim is adaptation.
Bravo. One of the best discussions❤.
Thanks Ben.
Thank you very much Ben.
Awesome interview! Thank you, Katharine & Paul! The swimming pool illustration is excellent. Regarding adaptation, I appreciate the early warning about El Nino 2024 on your channel, Paul. It sounds like we need to be prepared, spiritually first and foremost, for a growth-inducing test of our resilience, in lockstep with another US presidential election year. In addition to Texas, both California and Florida are on the adaptation frontlines in the US. We could see Governors Newsom and DeSantis leading in early 2024 on competing national resilience strategies, if Biden and Trump aren't frontrunning. Forest fire risk reduction, water conservation, hurricane preparedness and power outage preparedness could be adaptation priorities for 2023. So could grain and pulse reserves, if we can proactively divert them from intensive livestock farming into distributed global storage by the end of the year without shedding net jobs or raising staples prices. On mitigation, you mention the sensitive topic of reproductive ethics and mental health. This feels like an important area for discussion and support. Perhaps down the road, it might be possible and helpful for CEF to interview Sarah Conly about One Child: Do We Have a Right to More? On sequestration, I appreciate the balanced attention to both nature-based and technology-based solutions. Everything that works! God bless.
Great interview!!! Paul, Regina and Peter, the Facing Future channel just did a video about iron salt aerosols mitigating a methane burst and about setting up a committee to review the process including Indigenous leaders. The video features Peter Fiekowsky. Paul, I know you had covered iron salt aerosols before on your channel.
We had the hose turned down by nature by 7% in 2020, however, water level increased faster than in years with a weaker hose (lower emissions) due to carbon sink variability.
True in the short run since continued heating is "backloaded" but false in the long run.
@@EvolutionWendy That's true, there was 7% less to sequester in that one year after all. But as the emissions rose above previous records almost immediately, there was and I expect will not be any measurable slowdown in co2 concentration increase.. Only a decrease in the speed of the increase isbwhat I would expect. Do you think that is correct ?
I am sceptical of "techno solutions". Tech is what got us into trouble in the first place. Tech solutions still ignore the root cause of problems, namely overshoot of which global warming is an effect. Tech solutions will only allow overshoot to continue and to affect the environment in other ways.
Super! Thank you.
Welcome 😊
Hmm a PhD at Ohio State College I think Has Math that suggest 1 tenth of any desert turned green can remove all C02 from 1700 till now has the numbers changed? &Thank you for your sharing of this most important information.
Perhaps you can include sources to your statements. Some guy on the internet saying some dang thing isn't informative.
there’s a need to go into the need to eliminate animal agriculture and the animal industrial complex itself
Yes!! Agree. Advise concurrently educate consumers to eat less meat:: Eating less can transition to eating none, and is less triggering.
@@EvolutionWendy all should watch Cowspiracy
Youre not going to eliminate the meat industry. You're just going to make it into a luxury for the rich and powerful just like personal transportation and flying. But Thanks I guess...
Who exactly are the Gatekeepers to knowledge that she mentions? And what do we do about them?
"...young woman saying she doesn't want to have kids..."
I like the idea. We don't need, and can not have, 8 billion people on earth.
How does civilization function without fossil fuels? It doesn't seem like we can live the way we're used to living without them. What does reducing fossil fuel usage look like for the average person living in a city? Do we have time to figure out how the "power down" will go, especially considering that most people have no idea that we need to do this or will willingly do this?
how would it look? a lot more peaceful. because we can stop financing regimes and their wars around the world.
for the average person living in a city? a lot healthier. the average person in a city doesn't have a car, because the average person in a city can't afford it. instead the average person in a city suffers from air pollution, noise, traffic jams, and the constant danger of being run over.
the average person won't have to do much anyway, since (even in rich countries) it's just a few percent who are responsible for most emissions.
It looks like living in harmony with nature, not against it. Economists have created an impossible situation by forcing the world to use models that have no foundation in reality. But we have much to gain: time, stability, health, relationships, meaning, community. All we have to do is sacrifice money and energy (and meat and machines). Best advice, stay away from Texas for a few decades.
The complexity of life is graphically undefined as infinity is numerically.
The *_complacency_* of life is graphically undefined.
Bravo❤
Hey Climate Emergency Forum, I shared the share link on Facebook and the thumbnail did not come through. Maybe has a broken link?
Thank-you for helping out. I also observed this this morning using Facebook. The link is okay. Don't know why.
Insofar as Hayhoe’s comments about NBSs (nature based solutions), I disagree with her comment around the 16:30 mark. We do NOT need to know why and how such solutions work. I don’t need to know how and why the car or bus or train or plane (or funicular…) works in order move from where I am to where I want to be. All I need know is where I am isn’t where I want to be and that there are various means to get where I want to go’
thankfully we (the people repairing your cars) still know how your car works. although if we didn't, emissions would actually go down.
and btw, you know how your car works. if you have a drivers license you learned that!
Global Weirding was one of the first things I watched when I was starting to dig much deeper into the climate crisis. Since then my way of thinking has changed massively. It seems like Katherine has not moved anywhere near as much. But I am seeing some signs that she’s getting more realistic, so that’s good. I wouldn’t put her in the Michael Mann camp by any means.
Why renegotiate crippling national debts when they can be forgiven and not paid? So what if bankers don't get every single cent they are entitled to?
Restoration isn't possible while you're still trashing the place. The least we can do now is leave the place less toxic for the few that might survive. World population still rising? The habitat is not able to be more efficient every couple of years. Learn how to swim? What's the point of that if you can then never touch the bottom? You will drown...
agree. I think many people's desperation for "hope" has turned things into magic thinking.
Greed, power,politics,superiority etc. are the winning ingredients to a successful civilization! It’s just that no one told us that the award of civilization is deadly!
@Joe
any student of history could tell you civilizations fall.
Thomas Piketty is a visionary. Just fished reading his Capital and ideology, in which he traces the various forms civilizations has taken around the world across history and shows how each -what he refers to ineqality regime’ - is formulated so as to justify the inequities.
He goes into detail about how over time many of those socities transitioned from one form of social structure into a different form and he examines various factors that led up to (or forced!) those transitions.
Piketty proposes that the climate crisis is a new factor. One that may open up a new path forward. How to transition to a society far less inegalitarian.
It is common for times of crisis to be times of transition. Sometimes it takes a major shock to the system to serve as the wake up call that things need to change, if only to adjust to changes for which we were neither ready nor prepared.
Naïveté can be quite disarming. Consider human nature (think history). Consider that Exxon knew almost to the tenth of a degree what the warming would be in the 70’s and not only kept pumping/drilling, but devoted huge $ to misinformation campaigns.
From what I know of human nature and what I see of what those in power being willing to use that power to preserve their position at all costs…
Best to all
I don't want fossil fuels either, yet esg Green is not very useful in actuality. Wait until summer when everyone needs cooling. And manufacturing requires oil. Nuclear energy is the only clean energy that no one wants. What is the solution?
Use less energy, and don’t sit in a hot building in a hot city because you are cooking everyone alive. It’s a challenge