More rubbish - if these guys atcually studies the hydrosphere they might just realise that humans altering the land/atmospheric water water cycle they would realise that it is now an unstable system due to humans draining virtually all the continentla based shallow wetlands, marshes, swamps, flood plains, deltas, soil moisture reservoirs - - - all through land reclaimation, river and flood management, hydro and utility reservoirs....... Now edxamine how much energy it take to evaporate or transporate water from these very shallow, relativley warm, freshwater evaporative surfaces, compared deep water, saline, colder oceans?????????? We have far more altered the water balence than we have tilted the 0.02% theoretical co2 narrative.
Thank you for sharing your perspective on the hydrosphere and human impacts. You've raised some important points, but there are a few aspects that need clarification and correction: 1. Human Impact on the Water Cycle: You're correct that human activities have significantly altered the land-based water cycle. The drainage of wetlands, marshes, swamps, flood plains, and other water bodies has indeed had substantial impacts on local and regional hydrology. 2. Evaporation Energy: Your point about the energy required for evaporation from different water sources is valid. Shallow, warmer freshwater bodies generally have higher evaporation rates than deeper, colder, saline water bodies. 3. Water Balance vs. CO2: While changes to the water cycle are significant, it's not accurate to dismiss the impact of CO2 as merely a "0.02% theoretical narrative." Both water cycle changes and increased CO2 concentrations play crucial roles in climate change, and their effects are interrelated. 4. CO2 Concentration: The current atmospheric CO2 concentration is about 0.04% (not 0.02%), which represents a significant increase from pre-industrial levels. This increase has a substantial impact on global climate due to CO2's greenhouse properties. 5. Comparative Impact: While water cycle changes are important, the global warming effect of increased CO2 is well-established and significant. Both factors contribute to climate change and should be considered together rather than in opposition. 6. Systemic Instability: You're correct that human alterations have led to instabilities in the hydrosphere. However, these changes work in conjunction with, not in opposition to, the effects of increased greenhouse gases. In conclusion, while your points about human impacts on the water cycle are valid and important, it's crucial to consider these effects alongside, not instead of, the impacts of increased greenhouse gases like CO2. Both play significant roles in our changing climate, and addressing climate change requires a comprehensive understanding of all contributing factors.
The sad, inescapable reality is that ever-concentrating greed amongst a relatively few is the inexorable force that is propelling humanity to its own demise. Endless tomes of facts and figures, and the wise assessment of thousands of very bright people including those on this podcast, do not stand a chance against the blind greed and quest for power amongst the privileged few. Greed has overcome wisdom in the world of homo sapiens. It is an epitaph that will never be heard. Unicellular organism cannot read.
“Greed amongst a relatively few” understates the problem. The growing horde of successful middle class people who believe flying with impunity is their god-given reward for hard work and playing by the rules will continue to grow.
When law replaces lore, profits replace kinship and country, where governments replace democracy - we haven't been connected to this earth since we all lived indigenously.
Exactly. What's up with water? What really is the trend here? Thank you so much for working on behalf of humanity on these incredibly important topics. Here's a quote from *The Great Waves of Change* by MV Summers, which I wholeheartedly recommend. ""The world will become warmer, producing greater loss of food production and great scarcity of water resources in many places in the world while there will be tremendous flooding in other places. Energy resources will diminish, creating economic upheaval and in some places even collapse."
The media and politicians here in Spain aren't being honest at all about how bad the situation in Valencia is, by the way. People have just been left to fend for themselves and everyone is convinced they are lying about the number of victims and people who are missing.
I suspect that is true. In England it was reported 215 approximately, but different news outlets are reporting widely different numbers. Looking at the footage it's clear that many people would not be able to get out alive of many situations. It's a terrible tragedy, but unfortunately people have been ignoring the facts about climate change for years and then blame each other when the inevitable happens.
And what lies are you talking about? Sorry for the massive damage and the loss of life that occurred but the biggest problem with the floods in Spain is that you aren't special. Floods from Climate Change can strike anywhere and those countries with ancient cities and poor infrastructure are going to be hit even bigger when these CC hyped floods, extreme winds and extreme temperatures occur. That isn't a lie but a fact that people around the world need to start accepting and demanding that their governments do something before they happen.
Governments don't have the capacity for disasters at such a scale and certainly not in such a short timeframe. And yes on top of that comes a shouldn't have build houses there or messed with the riverflows screwup.
Capturing a rare gas CO2 will do nothing to avert Climate Change. We need to treat water before it enters the sea. Cool and clean the water with current technologies like Trickling Filters. Also mitigate any activities that Heat and dirty precious water.
The Lakota phrase “Mní wičhóni,” or “Water is life,” has become a new national protest anthem. It was chanted by 5,000 marchers at the Native Nations March in Washington, D.C. on March 10, 2017 and during hundreds of protests across the United States in the last year. “Mní wičhóni” became the anthem of the almost year-long struggle to stop the building of the Dakota Access Pipeline under the Missouri River in North Dakota. This chant mirrors the civil rights anthems of the past, which emerged out of the African-American church. “Mní wičhóni” in the Lakota language also has spiritual meaning, which is rooted in a connection to nature. As a Native American scholar of environment and religion, I understand what makes the relationship between Native people and the natural world unique. For Native Americans, water does not only sustain life - it is sacred. Geologist John Wesley Powell, an early director of the U.S. Geological Survey, pointed out in an important 1878 government study that the defining characteristic of the Great Plains and the West was its lack of water. He attempted to promote land ownership that was based on watersheds, instead of dividing land into the rectangular lots still in use today. Powell also recommended that America adopt a new type of land development - one that worked with nature, so everyone had access to water. The U.S. government, however, ignored Powell’s ideas. Writing on this issue later, author Wallace Stegner, who was passionate about the West, commented, “[W]hat do you do about aridity….You may deny it for a while. Then you must either adapt to it or try to engineer it out of existence.”
"We need to begin to..." (fill in the blanks) is a phrase that I have heard told number of times in my life time. I am now 75.Pardon my cynicism. It is good to be old. I weep for the future.
Just finished reading Stephen Markley’s The Deluge. I am a lover of books and have read literally thousands. This is a powerful and timely tome. If i have any criticism of the work (which is masterfully written) it is that we’re already seeing things he predicts we won’t see for more than a decade, and he sees civilization lasting far longer than I believe possible (what with heat waves/domes, mega droughts/floods, and our diminishing capacity in the face of oncoming change to grow food) Powerful reading folks… not for the faint of heart, but a not-too-far off vision of what is likely coming sooner than most believe possible.
Regenerative Farming is becoming very popular, but on a tiny scale of what is needed. It's based on mulch, compost, canopies, diverse plantings.. labour intensive methods that large scale farming can't do yet, but big machinery can easily be developed to allow for it. There's a farmer in New Zealand doing it, modified mass seed planting machines that plant 60 types at one go, then slashed rather than harvested.
It is unfortunate we have 440 + nuclear power plants that are going to melt down it will cause a Death Shroud over the Earth for several 100,000 years😢
As is common on the dog and pony shows, the removal of posts which deal with things like Goode et al 2021, Rowell et al 2003 and the anthropogenic deteriation of the equitorial weather systems. This is not scientific stuff - this is propoganda and censorship hand in hand
It may have been touched on but I wonder about the ability of warmer atmosphere to draw ever more water from the surface through evaporation and transpiration. Does this exacerbate drought and fire? How much water does the land and it's flora/fauna hold anyway? If a drying surface holds less water and precipitation more likely flows direct to ocean instead of absorbing as a result, is the hydrological cycle, or this aspect of it, a tipping point too? Great episode gentlemen.
That is the criminal democrats. Trump is on it. Not only with Robert for the health, Thomas Massie and Joel Salation in the USDA. Joel always preaches a pond on every parcel big enough to have one. Dear Jo starting a nuclear war didn't help any.
How does the weight of 7% more water vapor in the atmosphere compare to the weight of fresh water melting worldwide annually (which would seem to be 'lost' as it becomes salty)?
Thank you everyone for this great report and observations... 3.6 billion without clean water now and 5 billion by 2050 is devastating news..Doesnt look good folks..
Irrigation is not a good solution. Firstly we have used most of the ground water and it is not replenishing. Secondly losing mountain glaciers means the river flows are getting tiny. Thirdly desalination plants are costly and even more so when we make long pipelines with needed pumps to further inland. Fourtly when it rains it floods, so reservoirs are much harder to build and they are more often destroyed during floods.
On the bright side, we've done things so badly and inefficiently, that there's plenty of room to adapt and do better. I'm also grateful to you and the many people who are studying and addressing these issues.
On the dark side more efficiency means more energy, and thus, as an extension, more greenhouse gases. It called the Jevons Paradox. Or the efficiency gains in recent decades have been invested back into more growth. The better we do things, the worse things become.
That was a good one. Learnt somthing new i can consider on my property. The drying of the soil is bad here. Nice to understand how it fits in the bigger picture. Feedback on how reports are used and who needs/would use them if more accessible is a great idea. I like just have a think for explaining important reports.
I remember 1963. Summer vacation meant traveling back and forth the Pennsylvania turnpike. There were no pollution controls on any vehicle and trucks blasted their black exhaust in your face. I looked at all the cars, and all their exhaust. I asked my father if all this smoke could ruin the air. I knew nothing of CO2, just the visible exhaust. I remember his reply “Shut up, don’t worry about it”. (Seriously, his very words.) I was good with numbers and decided to do my own calculations. I had plenty of time in the back seat as we drove across the state. My parents kept me supplied with plenty of paper and pens to keep me occupied and to prevent me from fighting with my siblings. My father used to give me geometry problems to solve. I also had puzzle books with word and number puzzles. I computed the volume of the atmosphere with the childish math model of the Earth as a 4000 mile radius sphere. I made good faith estimates of how many vehicles and how much exhaust. I could work out my prediction with just a slide rule. I did not imagine the vehicle fumes ever went anywhere but the air. I’m sure today’s climate models are more accurate. My father was a good, intelligent man. He would not say those words again because he was smart enough to learn about the unintended consequences of industrialization. He was born in 1927. Thank you to all who tolerated my musings.
My opinion is due to climate change a wavier jet stream is why rainfall distribution is uneven, with droughts in many places while deluges hit other locations. It's that uneven distribution that's the problem. Most US states are now in a drought.
Okay, correct me if I'm wrong please (and please tell me I am): these effects are going to cause increasingly powerful storms/hurricanes right? If the temperatures continue to rise and fresh water collapses the AMOC wouldn't that result in effectively permanent superstorms around the equator?
You're on the right track with your concerns, but let me clarify and provide a more nuanced perspective based on the current scientific understanding: 1. Increasing storm/hurricane power: You're correct that climate change is expected to affect tropical cyclones (hurricanes, typhoons, etc.). However, the relationship is complex: - Intensity: There's medium to high confidence that tropical cyclone intensities will increase globally on average (by 1 to 10% for a 2°C warming scenario)[4]. - Frequency: Some studies suggest a possible decrease in overall tropical cyclone frequency, but an increase in the proportion of intense storms[4][6]. - Rainfall: There's higher confidence that tropical cyclone rainfall rates will increase (by about 14% for a 2°C warming scenario)[4]. 2. AMOC collapse and "permanent superstorms": While the weakening or potential collapse of the AMOC is a serious concern, it's not likely to result in "permanent superstorms" around the equator. Here's why: - AMOC weakening: The AMOC is indeed weakening, but a complete collapse is considered unlikely in the near future. Most high-quality models suggest it would only become probable under very high warming scenarios (≥4°C) sustained long after 2100[5]. - Regional impacts: A significant AMOC weakening would have major impacts, particularly on temperature and precipitation patterns in Europe and North America, rather than creating permanent superstorms at the equator[5][7]. - Tropical impacts: AMOC weakening could shift the Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ) southward, affecting rainfall patterns in the tropics, but this doesn't translate to permanent superstorms[7]. 3. Complex interactions: The climate system is highly complex, and changes in one area can have far-reaching and sometimes counterintuitive effects: - While overall warming might intensify storms, other factors like wind shear changes could potentially mitigate some of these effects in certain regions[4]. - Changes in temperature gradients, atmospheric circulation patterns, and ocean currents all play roles in storm formation and intensity, making simple predictions challenging[6][7]. In summary, while climate change is expected to increase the intensity of the strongest storms and their rainfall, and AMOC weakening would have significant climatic impacts, the scenario of "permanent superstorms around the equator" is not supported by current scientific understanding. The reality is likely to be more nuanced, with regional variations in impacts and complex interactions between different climate systems. It's crucial to continue monitoring these changes and to take action to mitigate climate change to avoid the most severe potential outcomes. Citations: [1] ppl-ai-file-upload.s3.amazonaws.com/web/direct-files/10858832/e3fe475c-86e8-42b9-a904-c55116ccd617/functions.php [2] ppl-ai-file-upload.s3.amazonaws.com/web/direct-files/10858832/0e43eaf4-4e00-49f3-a03d-47b38896619f/contact-new.js [3] ppl-ai-file-upload.s3.amazonaws.com/web/direct-files/10858832/ea165d1a-2303-42be-804c-8196f77156b7/contact-new-confirm.php [4] www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/ [5] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturning_circulation [6] journals.plos.org/climate/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pclm.0000186 [7] www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaz4876 [8] www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-43143-5
@@ClimateEmergencyForum That is an awesome break down, thank you! I'm just an amateur observer of all this and have a rudimentary understanding of climate. I'm glad that I reached the wrong conclusion on this
Cold weather is a form of moisture which is why when you breathe out you see steam, that steam is moisture. When cold weather disappears it takes moisture out of the air which evaporates fresh water from our lakes and rivers. If we start making artificial mountains which are approximately between 6 kilometers to 10 km We can spray water on top of these mountains which will freeze and replace the freshwater. Ice is stored carbon which is why it is called dry ice, if the carbon releases it will make all the fresh water evaporate. We need to start making artificial mountains now may it be through 3D printers or from inflatable mountains but it needs to be our top priority
Excellent key content presentation. Is water vapor capture technology development applied to human development could be a mitigation-sustainable alternative to assure human water elemental consumption a possibility?
Nations around the world need to start harvesting polar ice to melt, and recharge ground water and lakes. Also, we need to start building giant underground water silos to store flood waters
❤❤❤Help me find something interesting. I saw a with the. Retired Canadian meteorologist Michael Jean talking about the effects of water vapor in the melting of ice based on infrared radiation striking the ice in the gllacii and ca😅using melting within it. Secondly the overlooked threat of water vapor in the atmosphere causing. Shore to sea storm effects up to 80 km inland. Especially in seas surrounded by land on three sides. CAN YOU HELP ME FIND THIS INTERVIW? Have you discussed this topic?
I apologize, but I couldn't find the specific interview with retired Canadian meteorologist Michael Jean that you mentioned. However, I can provide some information on the topics you've described, based on the available search results and scientific understanding: 1. Water vapor's effect on ice melting: While I don't have direct information about infrared radiation from water vapor causing internal melting of glaciers, atmospheric moisture does play a significant role in ice melt. Atmospheric rivers, which are long, narrow regions of concentrated water vapor in the atmosphere, have been shown to contribute to Arctic sea ice melt[4][8]. These atmospheric rivers transport heat and moisture from lower latitudes to the Arctic, affecting sea ice through various mechanisms: - Increased downward longwave radiation due to higher atmospheric moisture content - Enhanced turbulent heat fluxes at the surface - Precipitation falling as rain instead of snow - Wind-driven ice movement 2. Water vapor and inland storm effects: Regarding the effects of water vapor causing storm impacts up to 80 km inland, especially in seas surrounded by land on three sides, I don't have specific information matching this exact description. However, atmospheric moisture does play a crucial role in storm intensity and reach: - Increased atmospheric moisture content amplifies the risk of extreme precipitation events[9]. - A warmer atmosphere can hold more water vapor, potentially leading to more intense rainfall when storms occur[9]. - The increase in atmospheric moisture has led to a 5 to 10 percent effect on precipitation and storms, which is greatly amplified in extreme events[9]. While I couldn't find the specific interview you're looking for, these topics are indeed significant in climate science. The role of water vapor in climate change and its effects on ice melt and storm patterns are active areas of research. If you're looking for more information on these topics, you might consider: 1. Searching for recent scientific publications on atmospheric rivers and Arctic sea ice melt. 2. Looking for interviews or presentations by climate scientists specializing in Arctic climate or atmospheric moisture. 3. Checking resources from organizations like Environment and Climate Change Canada or the National Snow and Ice Data Center for information on Canadian Arctic and glacier melt. Citations: [1] ppl-ai-file-upload.s3.amazonaws.com/web/direct-files/10858832/e3fe475c-86e8-42b9-a904-c55116ccd617/functions.php [2] ppl-ai-file-upload.s3.amazonaws.com/web/direct-files/10858832/0e43eaf4-4e00-49f3-a03d-47b38896619f/contact-new.js [3] ppl-ai-file-upload.s3.amazonaws.com/web/direct-files/10858832/ea165d1a-2303-42be-804c-8196f77156b7/contact-new-confirm.php [4] theconversation.com/atmospheric-rivers-are-hitting-the-arctic-more-often-and-increasingly-melting-its-sea-ice-199189 [5] www.environmentenergyleader.com/stories/lightning-storms-accelerate-arctic-ice-melt,1408 [6] science.nasa.gov/earth/climate-change/steamy-relationships-how-atmospheric-water-vapor-amplifies-earths-greenhouse-effect/ [7] greenly.earth/en-gb/blog/ecology-news/is-water-vapor-a-greenhouse-gas [8] tc.copernicus.org/articles/18/121/2024/ [9] www.climatesignals.org/climate-signals/atmospheric-moisture-increase
Most people will waste water the more available it is or they think it is, some don't care. Example, the Spanish know when there are more people from the UK and Germany staying in their Hotels just by checking the incoming water meters. Desalination of sea water is very energy hungry and expensive to maintain. I would have meters fitted on every room in the Hotels and charge to patrons of any usage over an acceptable amount, that would solve 98% of it overnight, however the rich would not care as they can afford to waste ''everything''. Gaz UK.
Hello, I wanted to say that it is not a good idea to have water in flood areas go directly back into aquifers. It is polluted. Take NC, it is highly toxic from the lithium mines and surface dirt mud, it is better to have ponds on the land and let the water seep through the soil. It was about Dec 2010, under Obama, that the geoengineering spraying significantly increased. The nano aluminum and other metals in the sprays attaches to water and ozone, one nano nuclei a piece. The O2 hovers in mid air column causing warming from the light trapped underneath and bouncing around. VPD, vapor pressure deficit, is in the air as well, from this spraying. The drought, dry soil conditions with empty aquifers in addition, nano metals coating the soil that still take up moisture there as well. This is said to help cause fires. See Geo engine ering watch, fndr Dan e Wig ing ton here on yt.
Can water be pumped from flooded east and Florida to parched Arizona, Nevada, and points west? Is there some engineering problem that prevents this such as water is not viscous enough? One commenter wrote that there is the prospect of salt water intrusion into the water table in Florida. There is being considered a desalinization plant in the Baja California area to assist the desert Southwest and areas of Mexico nearby. Also, does HAARP or another facility allow for some control of the equilibriums and pertibations of weather? Thx.
Tree frog the Uber rich are just the tip of the iceberg of resistance to a rational response. Flying is an intoxicating privilege that the middle class believes is their god-given reward for working hard and living by the rules.’
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I wonder if in a special several moves a head way we would not give 'credit to nature' at first glance. But surely if massive volumes of soils are flooding into the oceans, and also dustbowls doing the dry version of the same, AND those heavy waters in places reaching rock and forming hard new aggressive riverbeds, in combination of plant species changes on land due to the wilder and harsher conditions stimulating the hardier weed type of plants to become more prolific and dominant due to the very nature of ruderalis type plants being able to take hold in more hostile conditions all in combination, be a 'safety valve' releasing and becoming a carbon sinking cycle of its own....
I see all your points, and raise you two Very Significant Questions: Why do you avoid talking about CLIMATE CYCLES? For example, the 88 year repeating Gliesberg Cycles saw the very same hydrological impacts in North America during the Great Depression. The 6000 year “disaster cycle” is also upon up, the November alignment of the FOUR GAS GIANTS has not been seen since 79AD. When you step back and see the LARGER CLIMATE SCALE, as supported by the ice-core and tree-ring data, we are COLDER now than at many times in earth history, long before fossil fuels were discovered. IF you good folk want to be “REAL SCIENTISTS”, you cannot simply ignore the data that does not agree with your hypothesis.
12000 cosmic ray cycle Douglas Vogt and really few people talk about Elizaveta Khromova team mathematical model prediction Sure 🔮🤔 maybe they are wrong, maybe not ....
There is no climate emergency due to climate change. Climate change is a natural process that has been going on for many millions of years. Around 1100 AD it was much warmer on earth than it is now. Some rivers dried up then too, but came back to life after one or two years. At the moment the earth is warming up from within due to all the cosmic radiation that is able to penetrate our weakened magnetic field. This also has an effect on the amount of river water that will evaporate. But there are many more things going on such as the shutdown of the AMOC and within 25 years the flip of the North and South Pole and the tilting of the earth to the west by about 80 to 110 degrees. You can laugh about that and call me crazy, but I know it is going to happen and what others think about it is of no concern to me. The fact that you do not even want to consider it as a possible future only proves to me that you have a closed mind like most so-called scientists. They are always quick to say that something is not possible, but everything is possible in this Universe. If you do not want to recognize that, then you do not understand the Universe.
Natural climate change is different from human induced climate change. Natural changes have different pattern and human induced climate change is totally a different pattern. Such a huge Human population never ever lived in the history of Earth except in this 21st century. So the past few centuries are significant in the face of Earth, right from late 18th, 19th, 20th and 21st century. The four centuries contributed to a significant rise in Earth's temperature with no natural changes changes like highly active tectonic plates, or meteorite collision on earth, etc. the temperature rise is very much the result of a single species activity in Earth. This led the the active increase in the Earths mean temperature both in land and ocean. This is directly due to the ways the humans live, function on a daily basis by consuming trapped fossil fuels on earth and burning it profusely, resulting in greenhouse gases released in the atmosphere, then these gases trapping the sunlight and causing more refraction contributing to temperature increase in earth, building concrete structures increasing urban heat islands, trapping the Sunlight in earths atmosphere and clearing up trees, plants which consume major portion of sunlight and convert into energy for the rest of species in Earth. This cycle is broken by humans and their activities.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. However, I must respectfully disagree with several points in your comment and provide corrections based on scientific evidence: 1. Climate Emergency: There is strong scientific consensus that we are indeed facing a climate emergency due to human-induced climate change[3]. The current rate of warming is unprecedented in recent geological history. 2. Medieval Warm Period: While there was a period of relative warmth around 1000-1200 AD in some regions, it was not globally warmer than today. Current global temperatures are higher and the rate of warming is much faster than during that period[1]. 3. Earth's Internal Warming: There is no evidence that cosmic radiation is significantly warming the Earth from within due to a weakened magnetic field. The observed warming is primarily due to increased greenhouse gases in the atmosphere[2]. 4. AMOC Shutdown: While research shows the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) is weakening, a complete shutdown within 25 years is not supported by current scientific projections[3]. 5. Magnetic Pole Reversal: While the Earth's magnetic poles do shift and can potentially reverse, there is no scientific evidence supporting a complete flip within 25 years or a dramatic 80-110 degree tilt of the Earth[4]. 6. Scientific Process: Scientists do not dismiss ideas out of hand. The scientific method involves rigorous testing, peer review, and evidence-based conclusions. While the universe is indeed complex, scientific theories must be supported by observable evidence and be testable. It's crucial to base our understanding of climate change and Earth processes on peer-reviewed scientific research and data. While it's important to keep an open mind, it's equally important to critically evaluate claims against the best available scientific evidence. The current climate crisis is well-documented and requires urgent action based on scientific consensus. Citations: [1] presentations.copernicus.org/EGU23/EGU23-10569_presentation.pdf [2] www.sciencenews.org/article/earth-magnetic-field-reversal-mass-extinctions-environment-crisis [3] insideclimatenews.org/news/09022024/climate-impacts-from-collapse-of-atlantic-meridional-overturning-current-could-be-worse-than-expected/ [4] www.cnn.com/2021/02/19/world/magnetic-fields-earth-intl-scli-scn/index.html [5] www.renewablematter.eu/en/amoc-collapse-consequences
Why are the Sun cycles never mentioned in the equation? We are in a very active Solar Maximum, many papers are being published showing the correlation of Sun activity and extreme weather and current events. Also the huge undersea activity of volcanos in the Arctic region are never discussed, even though it's been published many times that Glaciers melt from below more than above, the undersea heating is significant from the venting of millions of undersea volcano's. Also, what about about the very trendy rainmaking technologies being employed? How they factor in?..
He was reflected.
We're completely toast.
Enjoy our last decade of relative stability on Earth.
Optimist ...
last decade of relative stability
Oh, do you become optimistic ? lol
Anyway, in-side Love and Peace always
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More rubbish - if these guys atcually studies the hydrosphere they might just realise that humans altering the land/atmospheric water water cycle they would realise that it is now an unstable system due to humans draining virtually all the continentla based shallow wetlands, marshes, swamps, flood plains, deltas, soil moisture reservoirs - - - all through land reclaimation, river and flood management, hydro and utility reservoirs....... Now edxamine how much energy it take to evaporate or transporate water from these very shallow, relativley warm, freshwater evaporative surfaces, compared deep water, saline, colder oceans?????????? We have far more altered the water balence than we have tilted the 0.02% theoretical co2 narrative.
Enjoy what, being coerced to work away to pay extortionate rent in order stay out of poverty and homelessness?
Thank you for sharing your perspective on the hydrosphere and human impacts. You've raised some important points, but there are a few aspects that need clarification and correction:
1. Human Impact on the Water Cycle: You're correct that human activities have significantly altered the land-based water cycle. The drainage of wetlands, marshes, swamps, flood plains, and other water bodies has indeed had substantial impacts on local and regional hydrology.
2. Evaporation Energy: Your point about the energy required for evaporation from different water sources is valid. Shallow, warmer freshwater bodies generally have higher evaporation rates than deeper, colder, saline water bodies.
3. Water Balance vs. CO2: While changes to the water cycle are significant, it's not accurate to dismiss the impact of CO2 as merely a "0.02% theoretical narrative." Both water cycle changes and increased CO2 concentrations play crucial roles in climate change, and their effects are interrelated.
4. CO2 Concentration: The current atmospheric CO2 concentration is about 0.04% (not 0.02%), which represents a significant increase from pre-industrial levels. This increase has a substantial impact on global climate due to CO2's greenhouse properties.
5. Comparative Impact: While water cycle changes are important, the global warming effect of increased CO2 is well-established and significant. Both factors contribute to climate change and should be considered together rather than in opposition.
6. Systemic Instability: You're correct that human alterations have led to instabilities in the hydrosphere. However, these changes work in conjunction with, not in opposition to, the effects of increased greenhouse gases.
In conclusion, while your points about human impacts on the water cycle are valid and important, it's crucial to consider these effects alongside, not instead of, the impacts of increased greenhouse gases like CO2. Both play significant roles in our changing climate, and addressing climate change requires a comprehensive understanding of all contributing factors.
The sad, inescapable reality is that ever-concentrating greed amongst a relatively few is the inexorable force that is propelling humanity to its own demise. Endless tomes of facts and figures, and the wise assessment of thousands of very bright people including those on this podcast, do not stand a chance against the blind greed and quest for power amongst the privileged few. Greed has overcome wisdom in the world of homo sapiens. It is an epitaph that will never be heard. Unicellular organism cannot read.
Greed, the final frontier. These are the voyages of humankind's defining expression, $ over nature, to our ultimate demise.
“Greed amongst a relatively few” understates the problem. The growing horde of successful middle class people who believe flying with impunity is their god-given reward for hard work and playing by the rules will continue to grow.
When law replaces lore, profits replace kinship and country, where governments replace democracy - we haven't been connected to this earth since we all lived indigenously.
Exactly. What's up with water? What really is the trend here? Thank you so much for working on behalf of humanity on these incredibly important topics. Here's a quote from *The Great Waves of Change* by MV Summers, which I wholeheartedly recommend. ""The world will become warmer, producing greater loss of food production and great scarcity of water resources in many places in the world while there will be tremendous flooding in other places. Energy resources will diminish, creating economic upheaval and in some places even collapse."
The media and politicians here in Spain aren't being honest at all about how bad the situation in Valencia is, by the way. People have just been left to fend for themselves and everyone is convinced they are lying about the number of victims and people who are missing.
I suspect that is true. In England it was reported 215 approximately, but different news outlets are reporting widely different numbers. Looking at the footage it's clear that many people would not be able to get out alive of many situations. It's a terrible tragedy, but unfortunately people have been ignoring the facts about climate change for years and then blame each other when the inevitable happens.
And what lies are you talking about?
Sorry for the massive damage and the loss of life that occurred but the biggest problem with the floods in Spain is that you aren't special. Floods from Climate Change can strike anywhere and those countries with ancient cities and poor infrastructure are going to be hit even bigger when these CC hyped floods, extreme winds and extreme temperatures occur. That isn't a lie but a fact that people around the world need to start accepting and demanding that their governments do something before they happen.
Governments don't have the capacity for disasters at such a scale and certainly not in such a short timeframe. And yes on top of that comes a shouldn't have build houses there or messed with the riverflows screwup.
Capturing a rare gas CO2 will do nothing to avert Climate Change. We need to treat water before it enters the sea. Cool and clean the water with current technologies like Trickling Filters. Also mitigate any activities that Heat and dirty precious water.
The Lakota phrase “Mní wičhóni,” or “Water is life,” has become a new national protest anthem.
It was chanted by 5,000 marchers at the Native Nations March in Washington, D.C. on March 10, 2017 and during hundreds of protests across the United States in the last year. “Mní wičhóni” became the anthem of the almost year-long struggle to stop the building of the Dakota Access Pipeline under the Missouri River in North Dakota.
This chant mirrors the civil rights anthems of the past, which emerged out of the African-American church. “Mní wičhóni” in the Lakota language also has spiritual meaning, which is rooted in a connection to nature. As a Native American scholar of environment and religion, I understand what makes the relationship between Native people and the natural world unique.
For Native Americans, water does not only sustain life - it is sacred.
Geologist John Wesley Powell, an early director of the U.S. Geological Survey, pointed out in an important 1878 government study that the defining characteristic of the Great Plains and the West was its lack of water. He attempted to promote land ownership that was based on watersheds, instead of dividing land into the rectangular lots still in use today.
Powell also recommended that America adopt a new type of land development - one that worked with nature, so everyone had access to water.
The U.S. government, however, ignored Powell’s ideas. Writing on this issue later, author Wallace Stegner, who was passionate about the West, commented,
“[W]hat do you do about aridity….You may deny it for a while. Then you must either adapt to it or try to engineer it out of existence.”
"We need to begin to..." (fill in the blanks) is a phrase that I have heard told number of times in my life time. I am now 75.Pardon my cynicism. It is good to be old. I weep for the future.
Clean water our precious resource is currently rare on Earth. Forget about oil prices, very soon water scarcity will become our biggest issue.
Too many people are using water to wash .washing cars.watering lawns flushing toilet. Etc etc
Basically too many people in the world
Trouble is, oil will be used to transport water and people to and fro in these emergencies.
Just finished reading Stephen Markley’s The Deluge. I am a lover of books and have read literally thousands. This is a powerful and timely tome.
If i have any criticism of the work (which is masterfully written) it is that we’re already seeing things he predicts we won’t see for more than a decade, and he sees civilization lasting far longer than I believe possible (what with heat waves/domes, mega droughts/floods, and our diminishing capacity in the face of oncoming change to grow food)
Powerful reading folks… not for the faint of heart, but a not-too-far off vision of what is likely coming sooner than most believe possible.
Excellent presentation!
Thank you! Cheers!
Good discussion, thank you gentlemen
We are turning entire planet to a desert. Slow desertification in human terms, but extremely fast in lifes perspective. No time to adapt.
When the habitat is gone
extinction is coming 😮
The Sahara was lush forest, now 7% of its mass is greening again. These cycles happen all the time. It's not because of cow farts and jet fuel
Regenerative Farming is becoming very popular, but on a tiny scale of what is needed. It's based on mulch, compost, canopies, diverse plantings.. labour intensive methods that large scale farming can't do yet, but big machinery can easily be developed to allow for it. There's a farmer in New Zealand doing it, modified mass seed planting machines that plant 60 types at one go, then slashed rather than harvested.
Save Our Planet Now!
Yes, I'm concerned about the environment. Still can speak up & work on issues.
Think the planet will continue with or without humanity.
The planet will survive as well as species that are readily adaptable but large animals will not.
But good news! An asteroid is heading towards Earth, bad news is that it will miss us.
It is unfortunate we have 440 + nuclear power plants that are going to melt down it will cause a Death Shroud over the Earth for several 100,000 years😢
There are some reasons why I advocate for a Resource Based Economy.
Excellent summary of climate variation and disruption in the water balance. Great graphics. I will have my students study this report.
Glad it was helpful!
NICE WORK... Everybody; take a bow!!!
As is common on the dog and pony shows, the removal of posts which deal with things like Goode et al 2021, Rowell et al 2003 and the anthropogenic deteriation of the equitorial weather systems. This is not scientific stuff - this is propoganda and censorship hand in hand
Keep up the great work!
We will!
With things careening toward certain oblivion, I wonder what hope is left....
Our hope is in the next life. Trust in the Lord
@@johnglad5 there is no next life. get out of your fairy tale
Lord Byron?
It may have been touched on but I wonder about the ability of warmer atmosphere to draw ever more water from the surface through evaporation and transpiration. Does this exacerbate drought and fire? How much water does the land and it's flora/fauna hold anyway? If a drying surface holds less water and precipitation more likely flows direct to ocean instead of absorbing as a result, is the hydrological cycle, or this aspect of it, a tipping point too? Great episode gentlemen.
Look up sky rivers
Not only did our democracy die, so did our planet..
Why, either way, wouldn't make a difference, gold is there only love.
WW3, child castration and mass censorship are on its way out.. my God, the horror.
That is the criminal democrats. Trump is on it. Not only with Robert for the health, Thomas Massie and Joel Salation in the USDA. Joel always preaches a pond on every parcel big enough to have one. Dear Jo starting a nuclear war didn't help any.
Politics for the first time in our world's history is meaningless😢
How does the weight of 7% more water vapor in the atmosphere compare to the weight of fresh water melting worldwide annually (which would seem to be 'lost' as it becomes salty)?
We are literally about to get another Dust Bowl the Ogalala Aquifer doesn’t have enough fossil water to stop this
Thank you everyone for this great report and observations... 3.6 billion without clean water now and 5 billion by 2050 is devastating news..Doesnt look good folks..
Thanks alot for talking about this crucial topic.
Irrigation is not a good solution. Firstly we have used most of the ground water and it is not replenishing. Secondly losing mountain glaciers means the river flows are getting tiny. Thirdly desalination plants are costly and even more so when we make long pipelines with needed pumps to further inland. Fourtly when it rains it floods, so reservoirs are much harder to build and they are more often destroyed during floods.
Don't discount what the natural gas fracking has done to the ground water.....😮😮
On the bright side, we've done things so badly and inefficiently, that there's plenty of room to adapt and do better. I'm also grateful to you and the many people who are studying and addressing these issues.
On the dark side more efficiency means more energy, and thus, as an extension, more greenhouse gases. It called the Jevons Paradox. Or the efficiency gains in recent decades have been invested back into more growth. The better we do things, the worse things become.
Those who have access to land put in a rain garden. Research geo engineering and assist in getting rid of the sprays in our skies.
Where's Regina???
Busy with school, Back after COP.
That was a good one. Learnt somthing new i can consider on my property. The drying of the soil is bad here.
Nice to understand how it fits in the bigger picture.
Feedback on how reports are used and who needs/would use them if more accessible is a great idea.
I like just have a think for explaining important reports.
Thanks y'all. Haven't seen Regina recently. She ok?
Yes, Regina is well and very busy with her work and school. She will be back after COP.
@ClimateEmergencyForum ❤️
I remember 1963. Summer vacation meant traveling back and forth the Pennsylvania turnpike. There were no pollution controls on any vehicle and trucks blasted their black exhaust in your face. I looked at all the cars, and all their exhaust. I asked my father if all this smoke could ruin the air. I knew nothing of CO2, just the visible exhaust. I remember his reply “Shut up, don’t worry about it”. (Seriously, his very words.)
I was good with numbers and decided to do my own calculations. I had plenty of time in the back seat as we drove across the state. My parents kept me supplied with plenty of paper and pens to keep me occupied and to prevent me from fighting with my siblings. My father used to give me geometry problems to solve. I also had puzzle books with word and number puzzles.
I computed the volume of the atmosphere with the childish math model of the Earth as a 4000 mile radius sphere. I made good faith estimates of how many vehicles and how much exhaust. I could work out my prediction with just a slide rule. I did not imagine the vehicle fumes ever went anywhere but the air. I’m sure today’s climate models are more accurate.
My father was a good, intelligent man. He would not say those words again because he was smart enough to learn about the unintended consequences of industrialization. He was born in 1927.
Thank you to all who tolerated my musings.
20:13 Amazon forest is not getting rain on one part it is in a severe devastating multi-year drought
“Water is life” Native American proverb ❤❤❤
Whats up with all my Red Pill Posts going missing?
They don't like your post.
First with a comment for the Algo boost!
atta boy!
My opinion is due to climate change a wavier jet stream is why rainfall distribution is uneven, with droughts in many places while deluges hit other locations. It's that uneven distribution that's the problem. Most US states are now in a drought.
Okay, correct me if I'm wrong please (and please tell me I am): these effects are going to cause increasingly powerful storms/hurricanes right? If the temperatures continue to rise and fresh water collapses the AMOC wouldn't that result in effectively permanent superstorms around the equator?
You're on the right track with your concerns, but let me clarify and provide a more nuanced perspective based on the current scientific understanding:
1. Increasing storm/hurricane power:
You're correct that climate change is expected to affect tropical cyclones (hurricanes, typhoons, etc.). However, the relationship is complex:
- Intensity: There's medium to high confidence that tropical cyclone intensities will increase globally on average (by 1 to 10% for a 2°C warming scenario)[4].
- Frequency: Some studies suggest a possible decrease in overall tropical cyclone frequency, but an increase in the proportion of intense storms[4][6].
- Rainfall: There's higher confidence that tropical cyclone rainfall rates will increase (by about 14% for a 2°C warming scenario)[4].
2. AMOC collapse and "permanent superstorms":
While the weakening or potential collapse of the AMOC is a serious concern, it's not likely to result in "permanent superstorms" around the equator. Here's why:
- AMOC weakening: The AMOC is indeed weakening, but a complete collapse is considered unlikely in the near future. Most high-quality models suggest it would only become probable under very high warming scenarios (≥4°C) sustained long after 2100[5].
- Regional impacts: A significant AMOC weakening would have major impacts, particularly on temperature and precipitation patterns in Europe and North America, rather than creating permanent superstorms at the equator[5][7].
- Tropical impacts: AMOC weakening could shift the Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ) southward, affecting rainfall patterns in the tropics, but this doesn't translate to permanent superstorms[7].
3. Complex interactions:
The climate system is highly complex, and changes in one area can have far-reaching and sometimes counterintuitive effects:
- While overall warming might intensify storms, other factors like wind shear changes could potentially mitigate some of these effects in certain regions[4].
- Changes in temperature gradients, atmospheric circulation patterns, and ocean currents all play roles in storm formation and intensity, making simple predictions challenging[6][7].
In summary, while climate change is expected to increase the intensity of the strongest storms and their rainfall, and AMOC weakening would have significant climatic impacts, the scenario of "permanent superstorms around the equator" is not supported by current scientific understanding. The reality is likely to be more nuanced, with regional variations in impacts and complex interactions between different climate systems.
It's crucial to continue monitoring these changes and to take action to mitigate climate change to avoid the most severe potential outcomes.
Citations:
[1] ppl-ai-file-upload.s3.amazonaws.com/web/direct-files/10858832/e3fe475c-86e8-42b9-a904-c55116ccd617/functions.php
[2] ppl-ai-file-upload.s3.amazonaws.com/web/direct-files/10858832/0e43eaf4-4e00-49f3-a03d-47b38896619f/contact-new.js
[3] ppl-ai-file-upload.s3.amazonaws.com/web/direct-files/10858832/ea165d1a-2303-42be-804c-8196f77156b7/contact-new-confirm.php
[4] www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
[5] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturning_circulation
[6] journals.plos.org/climate/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pclm.0000186
[7] www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aaz4876
[8] www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-43143-5
@@ClimateEmergencyForum That is an awesome break down, thank you! I'm just an amateur observer of all this and have a rudimentary understanding of climate. I'm glad that I reached the wrong conclusion on this
Cold weather is a form of moisture which is why when you breathe out you see steam, that steam is moisture. When cold weather disappears it takes moisture out of the air which evaporates fresh water from our lakes and rivers. If we start making artificial mountains which are approximately between 6 kilometers to 10 km We can spray water on top of these mountains which will freeze and replace the freshwater. Ice is stored carbon which is why it is called dry ice, if the carbon releases it will make all the fresh water evaporate. We need to start making artificial mountains now may it be through 3D printers or from inflatable mountains but it needs to be our top priority
Mount everest is only 8.8km
Paul! ❤❤
Excellent key content presentation. Is water vapor capture technology development applied to human development could be a mitigation-sustainable alternative to assure human water elemental consumption a possibility?
Just imagine lakes are drying up we are finding cities underneath that was flooded from climate change 500 years ago .
The evaporation from the oceans must also be affected as the ice caps are melting and diluting the oceans salt levels
Please consider that when you refrain from using the word “the“ in regards to Water it changes your relationship with Water.
Nations around the world need to start harvesting polar ice to melt, and recharge ground water and lakes.
Also, we need to start building giant underground water silos to store flood waters
You’re a sci-fi fan I gather.
Two and a half Lake erie's of water is missing😢
❤❤❤Help me find something interesting. I saw a with the. Retired Canadian meteorologist Michael Jean talking about the effects of water vapor in the melting of ice based on infrared radiation striking the ice in the gllacii and ca😅using melting within it. Secondly the overlooked threat of water vapor in the atmosphere causing. Shore to sea storm effects up to 80 km inland. Especially in seas surrounded by land on three sides. CAN YOU HELP ME FIND THIS INTERVIW? Have you discussed this topic?
I apologize, but I couldn't find the specific interview with retired Canadian meteorologist Michael Jean that you mentioned. However, I can provide some information on the topics you've described, based on the available search results and scientific understanding:
1. Water vapor's effect on ice melting:
While I don't have direct information about infrared radiation from water vapor causing internal melting of glaciers, atmospheric moisture does play a significant role in ice melt. Atmospheric rivers, which are long, narrow regions of concentrated water vapor in the atmosphere, have been shown to contribute to Arctic sea ice melt[4][8]. These atmospheric rivers transport heat and moisture from lower latitudes to the Arctic, affecting sea ice through various mechanisms:
- Increased downward longwave radiation due to higher atmospheric moisture content
- Enhanced turbulent heat fluxes at the surface
- Precipitation falling as rain instead of snow
- Wind-driven ice movement
2. Water vapor and inland storm effects:
Regarding the effects of water vapor causing storm impacts up to 80 km inland, especially in seas surrounded by land on three sides, I don't have specific information matching this exact description. However, atmospheric moisture does play a crucial role in storm intensity and reach:
- Increased atmospheric moisture content amplifies the risk of extreme precipitation events[9].
- A warmer atmosphere can hold more water vapor, potentially leading to more intense rainfall when storms occur[9].
- The increase in atmospheric moisture has led to a 5 to 10 percent effect on precipitation and storms, which is greatly amplified in extreme events[9].
While I couldn't find the specific interview you're looking for, these topics are indeed significant in climate science. The role of water vapor in climate change and its effects on ice melt and storm patterns are active areas of research.
If you're looking for more information on these topics, you might consider:
1. Searching for recent scientific publications on atmospheric rivers and Arctic sea ice melt.
2. Looking for interviews or presentations by climate scientists specializing in Arctic climate or atmospheric moisture.
3. Checking resources from organizations like Environment and Climate Change Canada or the National Snow and Ice Data Center for information on Canadian Arctic and glacier melt.
Citations:
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[4] theconversation.com/atmospheric-rivers-are-hitting-the-arctic-more-often-and-increasingly-melting-its-sea-ice-199189
[5] www.environmentenergyleader.com/stories/lightning-storms-accelerate-arctic-ice-melt,1408
[6] science.nasa.gov/earth/climate-change/steamy-relationships-how-atmospheric-water-vapor-amplifies-earths-greenhouse-effect/
[7] greenly.earth/en-gb/blog/ecology-news/is-water-vapor-a-greenhouse-gas
[8] tc.copernicus.org/articles/18/121/2024/
[9] www.climatesignals.org/climate-signals/atmospheric-moisture-increase
It rains where it can. And it does so violently because it can.
Most people will waste water the more available it is or they think it is, some don't care.
Example, the Spanish know when there are more people from the UK and Germany staying in their Hotels just by checking the incoming water meters.
Desalination of sea water is very energy hungry and expensive to maintain.
I would have meters fitted on every room in the Hotels and charge to patrons of any usage over an acceptable amount, that would solve 98% of it overnight, however the rich would not care as they can afford to waste ''everything''.
Gaz UK.
MAYAN CALENDAR 🙏
Hello, I wanted to say that it is not a good idea to have water in flood areas go directly back into aquifers. It is polluted. Take NC, it is highly toxic from the lithium mines and surface dirt mud, it is better to have ponds on the land and let the water seep through the soil. It was about Dec 2010, under Obama, that the geoengineering spraying significantly increased. The nano aluminum and other metals in the sprays attaches to water and ozone, one nano nuclei a piece. The O2 hovers in mid air column causing warming from the light trapped underneath and bouncing around. VPD, vapor pressure deficit, is in the air as well, from this spraying. The drought, dry soil conditions with empty aquifers in addition, nano metals coating the soil that still take up moisture there as well. This is said to help cause fires. See Geo engine ering watch, fndr Dan e Wig ing ton here on yt.
You know who would be great at building artificial mountains and digging holes to collect water? The Army Corps of Engineers!
Just ask the people of valencia (the living ones ) if they find river levels decreasing ?!😊😅😮
Unfortunately Trump doesnt care as long as it doesn't affect his favourite diet soft drink. 😮
But We have to wait another 4 years to separate the Wheat from the Chafe among the humans the dominate species.
That's okay Trump will take care of it flat Earth😂😂😂😂😂
I'd laugh, but I'm busy throwing up at the election result.
You lost me with Trump!
I have complete faith in our new president, sarcasm. Blessings
I don't think anyone understands what you are trying to say, due to very poor punctuation and a sentence that doesn't make sense.
Can water be pumped from flooded east and Florida to parched Arizona, Nevada, and points west? Is there some engineering problem that prevents this such as water is not viscous enough? One commenter wrote that there is the prospect of salt water intrusion into the water table in Florida. There is being considered a desalinization plant in the Baja California area to assist the desert Southwest and areas of Mexico nearby. Also, does HAARP or another facility allow for some control of the equilibriums and pertibations of weather? Thx.
Yt censors in overdrive! Heads, meet sand. Sand, heads. Step 1: take head, Step 2: take sand, Step 3: place head in sand. Clymate solved!
Your comment made my afternoon.
Tree frog the Uber rich are just the tip of the iceberg of resistance to a rational response. Flying is an intoxicating privilege that the middle class believes is their god-given reward for working hard and living by the rules.’
Hu MAN You Are Expelled From The Collective Of Life - We The Collective Of Life The Universe DisOwn Hu MAN - Hu MAN You Are On Your Own - Life The Universe And EveryThing = Not(Hu MAN)
We Are In No Hurry
We Have Given You 5 Million Years To Change
Hu MAN - No Change
GUYS - we really need to talk: the water cycle is not stable, it is on a manmade downward spiral and as yet there is no end in sight.
I wonder if in a special several moves a head way we would not give 'credit to nature' at first glance.
But surely if massive volumes of soils are flooding into the oceans, and also dustbowls doing the dry version of the same, AND those heavy waters in places reaching rock and forming hard new aggressive riverbeds, in combination of plant species changes on land due to the wilder and harsher conditions stimulating the hardier weed type of plants to become more prolific and dominant due to the very nature of ruderalis type plants being able to take hold in more hostile conditions all in combination, be a 'safety valve' releasing and becoming a carbon sinking cycle of its own....
I see all your points, and raise you two Very Significant Questions: Why do you avoid talking about CLIMATE CYCLES? For example, the 88 year repeating Gliesberg Cycles saw the very same hydrological impacts in North America during the Great Depression. The 6000 year “disaster cycle” is also upon up, the November alignment of the FOUR GAS GIANTS has not been seen since 79AD. When you step back and see the LARGER CLIMATE SCALE, as supported by the ice-core and tree-ring data, we are COLDER now than at many times in earth history, long before fossil fuels were discovered. IF you good folk want to be “REAL SCIENTISTS”, you cannot simply ignore the data that does not agree with your hypothesis.
12000 cosmic ray cycle
Douglas Vogt and
really few people talk about
Elizaveta Khromova team mathematical model prediction
Sure 🔮🤔 maybe they are wrong, maybe not ....
There is no climate emergency due to climate change. Climate change is a natural process that has been going on for many millions of years. Around 1100 AD it was much warmer on earth than it is now. Some rivers dried up then too, but came back to life after one or two years.
At the moment the earth is warming up from within due to all the cosmic radiation that is able to penetrate our weakened magnetic field. This also has an effect on the amount of river water that will evaporate. But there are many more things going on such as the shutdown of the AMOC and within 25 years the flip of the North and South Pole and the tilting of the earth to the west by about 80 to 110 degrees.
You can laugh about that and call me crazy, but I know it is going to happen and what others think about it is of no concern to me. The fact that you do not even want to consider it as a possible future only proves to me that you have a closed mind like most so-called scientists. They are always quick to say that something is not possible, but everything is possible in this Universe. If you do not want to recognize that, then you do not understand the Universe.
Natural climate change is different from human induced climate change. Natural changes have different pattern and human induced climate change is totally a different pattern. Such a huge Human population never ever lived in the history of Earth except in this 21st century. So the past few centuries are significant in the face of Earth, right from late 18th, 19th, 20th and 21st century. The four centuries contributed to a significant rise in Earth's temperature with no natural changes changes like highly active tectonic plates, or meteorite collision on earth, etc. the temperature rise is very much the result of a single species activity in Earth. This led the the active increase in the Earths mean temperature both in land and ocean. This is directly due to the ways the humans live, function on a daily basis by consuming trapped fossil fuels on earth and burning it profusely, resulting in greenhouse gases released in the atmosphere, then these gases trapping the sunlight and causing more refraction contributing to temperature increase in earth, building concrete structures increasing urban heat islands, trapping the Sunlight in earths atmosphere and clearing up trees, plants which consume major portion of sunlight and convert into energy for the rest of species in Earth. This cycle is broken by humans and their activities.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. However, I must respectfully disagree with several points in your comment and provide corrections based on scientific evidence:
1. Climate Emergency: There is strong scientific consensus that we are indeed facing a climate emergency due to human-induced climate change[3]. The current rate of warming is unprecedented in recent geological history.
2. Medieval Warm Period: While there was a period of relative warmth around 1000-1200 AD in some regions, it was not globally warmer than today. Current global temperatures are higher and the rate of warming is much faster than during that period[1].
3. Earth's Internal Warming: There is no evidence that cosmic radiation is significantly warming the Earth from within due to a weakened magnetic field. The observed warming is primarily due to increased greenhouse gases in the atmosphere[2].
4. AMOC Shutdown: While research shows the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) is weakening, a complete shutdown within 25 years is not supported by current scientific projections[3].
5. Magnetic Pole Reversal: While the Earth's magnetic poles do shift and can potentially reverse, there is no scientific evidence supporting a complete flip within 25 years or a dramatic 80-110 degree tilt of the Earth[4].
6. Scientific Process: Scientists do not dismiss ideas out of hand. The scientific method involves rigorous testing, peer review, and evidence-based conclusions. While the universe is indeed complex, scientific theories must be supported by observable evidence and be testable.
It's crucial to base our understanding of climate change and Earth processes on peer-reviewed scientific research and data. While it's important to keep an open mind, it's equally important to critically evaluate claims against the best available scientific evidence. The current climate crisis is well-documented and requires urgent action based on scientific consensus.
Citations:
[1] presentations.copernicus.org/EGU23/EGU23-10569_presentation.pdf
[2] www.sciencenews.org/article/earth-magnetic-field-reversal-mass-extinctions-environment-crisis
[3] insideclimatenews.org/news/09022024/climate-impacts-from-collapse-of-atlantic-meridional-overturning-current-could-be-worse-than-expected/
[4] www.cnn.com/2021/02/19/world/magnetic-fields-earth-intl-scli-scn/index.html
[5] www.renewablematter.eu/en/amoc-collapse-consequences
Why are the Sun cycles never mentioned in the equation? We are in a very active Solar Maximum, many papers are being published showing the correlation of Sun activity and extreme weather and current events.
Also the huge undersea activity of volcanos in the Arctic region are never discussed, even though it's been published many times that Glaciers melt from below more than above, the undersea heating is significant from the venting of millions of undersea volcano's.
Also, what about about the very trendy rainmaking technologies being employed? How they factor in?..
Oh don't forget we all breathe the same air you're going to let them poison you