A buddy from middle school just had me put together one of these for his kid who is now in middle school. I went with a thinkstation p330 for the 4 ram slots, platinum rated psu, and much more forgiving pcie slot layout. Came with an i7 8700, 16gb a 256gb nvme and intel 9560 wireless card. Threw another drive in it, a zotac 3050 6gb and a 40mm noctua in the front intake. It's nothing special but I'd have been stoked to have one at his age. And at around $400 all in, my friend can still get christmas gifts for his other two kids.
for $400 you get build an AM4 system with a $50 R5 2600/3600 and something like a $100 GTX 1070 Ti in a new $60 case with aRGB fans. Used a320m/b350 boards are like $50. 16GB 3200MHz DDR4 is like $25-30, new 500W PSU like $50 but you can good used EVGA and Corsair for $40 with 600-700W. 1TB NVMe $50 brand new, Wifi card $15.
@@smugmode Definitely could've gone that route. But I'm really not trying to be tech support on all that used gear for a 10 year old that really just wants to play fortnite on like a 24" 60hz TV in his room. And he's going to be taking it to friend's houses so I thought a SFF workstation build would be easier for him and less potential for something to randomly die that I'd have to deal with.
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN yeah for sure mate there are definitely always pros and cons. Pros for one of these is the cheap replacements motherboards and PSUs, easy upgrade for GPU, compact size I guess depending what you get. The cons should be obvious enough, I guess
@@TheReferrer72 What is the benefit of using a lower-spec connector here? While it may not be targeted towards a consumer that cares about upgrading, giving it that capability is no loss.
@@TheReferrer72 your answer makes no sense, there are low profile professional cards that are used for 3D rendering as well as for multi display setups. So the OP is right.
My Yeston 3050 arrives in a day or two. Popping it in a 7090 I think (same style Dell SFF) with a 13700+16GB DDR5 so whatever model that is. This will be a perfect game box for my daughter. My other kids all like to build their own PCs, but my youngest just wants a small but capable machine in the corner of her room, so this will do the trick nicely. Looking forward to popping this in and trying it out.
@@IncognitoActivado Can't tell if you're joking? :D I think you are, but couldn't fully tell :D The following is my qualifier just in case... :) Any actual GPU is better than the iGPU on the 13700. I'm not going to swap the PSU or use the X4/X8 PCIe slot for video (yes I know all the implications etc. and that this is an 8X card. I also know that it's a neutered VRAM bus on the card. That said, it's going to do everything that I want this system to do flawlessly, and for the intended user of the system. For a total of $300 for the full setup. This system will be playing modern(ish) games at 1080 with medium to high settings depending on the game, and there is nothing about this system that isn't capable of that. In fact, mine is higher specced than the one ETA was showing, which was performing great for what these are. So... Everything is good. Putting the card in tonight. I've been PC gaming since the 4.77MHz XT and have been building PCs since then. So I know my way around PC hardware. I have around 15 active PCs in the house, multiple MiSTers, Analogue consoles, MAME appliances, SuperGrafx+SD3Pro, and collect, restore, and repair arcade PCBs. (and am also an analog circuit designer and PCB maker). Cue Otto saying "Let him go Ralph... He knows what he's doing..." 😁
@@IncognitoActivado For what purpose? I have a box full of them. Free. They do exactly what I expect of them. 14, 13, 12, 11, 10 (and then some Devil's Canyon stuff). Hey, use whatever you like. If you like AMD go for it. I use Intel and NV generally speaking, but occasionally dabble in AMD. The 7800X3D is a nice CPU. I have absolutely zero issues with people just using what they want to use. Personally I don't use AMD GPUs though. The hardware is great, and even though they've made good strides with their drivers over the years, and have introduced a lot of nice tech to the graphics market, the experience is just not as solid as NV. I use whatever product suits the task that I want a machine to perform. I'm not tied to anything, but at the same time saying that the 14, 13, and 12, gen Intel chips aren't worth it is just plain silly. Especially since I didn't even have to pay for most of them. Only someone that WAS completely brand loyal would say something like that. AMD makes excellent chips, but I don't personally need to invest in that ecosystem since I have so much extra gear laying around. I have yet for any PC that I've built to leave me wanting in any way. Except for a RAMbus i820 system I built in the 90s just because I was curious about the chipset. Immediately took the board back and bought an i815 board with SDRAM. That was the only system that I've ever put together that I was disappointed in the performance of. In no way am I salty. Use whatever you like, but don't tell me what I'm using is wrong. I know precisely what I want to use and why. I also don't generally buy the absolute top end of any PC hardware anymore. I go generally with say for GPUs Nvidia xx70 or xx70Ti level (so upper midrange) and either stuff I have on hand, or I might pick up whatever the sweet spot CPU is for whatever motherboard chipset I want to use. I have other, more expensive hobbies these days, and just don't feel like I need to spend a ton on PCs. Provided I can play the games I want locked to 60 or 120 frames per second with all the options cranked up where I want them, I call it good. I don't play at 4K either, so that works fine for me. I used to buy all top end everything, multi-GPU setups, etc. but I had a lot less other things to spend money on back then. :D I mainly play retro games, indie games, id Software shooters, FromSoft games, etc. So either not that demandind, or very well optimized stuff for the most part. Anyway, like I said. Get what you like. I'll get what I like. It's just kinda stupid to tell someone what they bought was wrong, especially when you have no idea who they are, or what they know about the subject.
I have an HP Slimline 12100 (picked up from eBay brand new for under $200) with a RX 6400 but an RTX 3050 on order. This machine is my secondary computer I use mainly for work in my home office but wanted it game as well. My main machine is an i7 13700K, RTX 4080 but this secondary machine is the one that amazes me for what it can do for the budget.
Love these Dell OptiPlex office PCs, they make a great platform for a cheap gaming rig, or anything really. I use one as a gaming system for my living room TV, and the other as a Linux server. Mine are slightly older units running 3rd gen i7s, but they still perform great. I may upgrade to a 7060 at some point.
this is perfect for younger gamer who are mainly looking to play fortnight and roblox and if they want to play some triple A games it preforms amazing as well! I bet it also runs emulation amazing and all for a really nice budget too! good work on this one ETA
Im hoping that theres an 8GB LPSS card with the next gen GPUs. I have both a RX6400 and this Yeston card, and we could always use more tiny but capable GPUs.
I appreciate this channel. You do a Fantastic job at reviewing a great variety of components, new and used. Youre an awesome resource when I need to research odd use cases for random hardware
Agreed. I always have a metric ton of old hardware kicking around. I buy higher end for my main PCs, then trickle parts down to my kids and other family/friends, and then always have older stuff like three generation plus old CPUs, RAM, motherboards, GPUS, etc. sitting in the cabinets taking up space. Sometimes I see some good ideas on this channel. Or, for example, I hadn't heard of the Yeston 3050 yet, and ETA is the reason I bought one, because I actually had one of these Dells sitting around with a 13700/DDR5 in it, and needed a decent one slot card in it for one of my kids. It was perfect, and saved me the time of searching around.
FYI you can easily mod the bios in these to accept 9th gen intel CPUs. My 7060 (like all of them from the factory) was locked to 8th gen, but after a quick flash it now has an i7 9700 and is running great paired with a T600. ETA, would you consider making a video tutorial about that bios mod process since you do so much with SFF machines?
I love that you have been putting out so many videos with the 7060 because that's the exact same system I have. I think I read somewhere that 2400MT/s is actually the fastest RAM that the motherboard supports, so I wouldn't bother going faster. I ended up pairing it with a RX 580 cause' that's what I have money for, at the moment, so I had to case swap it and added a new power supply with an adapter, great aquisition, great performance, very happy me =)
Is this sarcasm? 😅 Manufacturers like Dell often put really good custom PSUs inside their office desktops, and the 3050 is really power efficient. It draws about as much as a low power laptop gpu
@@sebah40A lot of people don't seem to understand how low power graphics cards works. They think it will power spike like a regular card when it is literally designed to never do that.
Not sure why you got the response you did below, but yeah. A lot of power supplies aren't all that big physically speaking. Many server supplies are even a little smaller. It comes down to the technology, components etc. used, and the ability to keep the right components cool. Smaller fans can move a lot of air, but they just make a lot more noise doing it. If you've heard rack servers before, you'll know. :) Rack gear often uses little 1.5" fans, sometimes doubled or quadrupled up since they fit into 1U cases (for example) but they spin at really high RPMs, and make a ton of noise. (compared to say a 120mm fan spinning slowly.) If the supply uses good regulators or DC/DC converters, good capacitors, and cooling they can really be quite small and provide plenty of clean current.
I have seen other UA-camrs remove the top cover of the PSU. While you need to be super careful not to touch the capacitors etc (not safe or recommended for non-experienced people), it can open up more airflow to the GPU.
5:25 temps are really good i would like to see a nice overclock here can make the difference between 54 fps vs. 60+ fps or changing medium settings to high settings.
I think these builds are always fun “can it be done” type videos, but unless you’re desperate for sff, you’re much better off getting a used xps off eBay and popping in a RX 6600 for about the same price as that low profile. It’ll perform significantly faster for either the same or not much more money. I have a 7070 as an office pc with a 6400, and it gets loud and hot. Between the small, noisy blower style fan and the lack of gpu ventilation, it’s just not an ideal platform for gaming. These SSF sound awesome until you get to the end product and realize you’d have been much better off with a basic tower.
There's enough room in the front of those to add a thickboy 80/92mm fan. Can just get a single speed unit so you can power it via sata power adapter if there's no extra mobo header.
I was recently helping my uncle pick out a Win11-compatible PC (thanks, Microsoft) and am already noticing a significant difference between systems that are and are not Win11. You can get a Dell like this cleaned up and shipped for $250-300, but 7th Gen and older systems with similar specs can be had for almost half that. Tis a golden age for Linux I guess!
When I did it I started with the socket type of the original, making sure of the chipset and wattage, then locating other CPUs in that group. Good luck!
I love these videos about clever budget systems you put together! Love your other vids too, but these kinds of vids are rare, and valuable. Keep up the great work!
Seems to me the i7-8700 and the RTX 3050 seem to work well together without too much bottlenecking of the system. The system is pushing very close to 100% usage on both the GPU and the CPU in most of those titles but the temps looked really good and there was parity. Anything less than the 8th Gen would, I think, cause some serious issues with the CPU being left behind. All things considered, not a bad little system!
I can't wait to see Arm desktop PCs with upgradeable RAM. I've been a lifelong PC fan, but two years ago I got my first Macbook, the M1 Max. The performance is crazy for the size but so is the cost. The Apple Mac Mini has me convinced that that the days of the LFF PC are dead. ITX will be the new LFF PC. Unfortunately, while the gaming catalogue has steadily been improving on Mac, I suspect it is less than 0.01% of that of PCs. I hope more devs take notice of the rapidly expanding Apple user base and adapt.
I've just bought this card for a Lenovo ThinkCentre M720q with an i5-8400T. I'm hoping it'll give me a little more performance over a RX6400 - especially as it has 8 PCI lanes over the 6400's 4. It would be good to see it running in the Lenovo M920Q that the channel has been playing with
I would love to see a video testing both cards. I also have a m720q with a rx6400 and I was thinking about the upgrade. But I'm not sure if it's worth the price
You can also consider a used RTX A2000 6GB, provided you can trust the seller. ETA PRIME has covered this card in another video. Compared to the single slot Yeston RTX 3050 6GB it is a low profile dual slot card which might be an issue for specific SFF systems (as seen with this DELL unit). You can find a used one for around 200-250 USD. Due to their TDP limitation, they can't be pushed that much unless someone made a shunt mod to the card. So if you can trust the seller that he has not tinkered with it and your SFF system can fit one, it is also a good buy and it has around 20-30% more performance than the RTX 3050 6GB (it uses a cut down version of the GA106 chip which is found in RTX 3060 cards).
I was actually trying to find a cheap gaming pc option recently. Something cheap and small so that if I don't need it then it's no big deal to stuff it away somewhere where it won't take a lot of space and goes unused for an undefined time. I would've done a laptop, but those go for hundreds more--money which I can instead spend on cheap computer accessories.
Such an awesome build, great idea to play around with what you have or if you just don't wanna break the bank. One question though, since you're using an 8th gen CPU, how come you're able to run Win11? I though Microsoft is requiring users to have 11th Gen CPUs at the minimum?
Hi. Do a CPU temperature test and the performance of the entire PC by turning off HT. In some games it should increase FPS Also do the test in a Dell with graphics in x4 and x16 slots
People keep saying that you can only install a single slot card in these, and while that is the case for the 30 class systems, in the 50 and 70 class systems you can install a dual slot card in the x4 slot next to the CPU. However, it's nice to have that single slot option so you're not making a compromise on performance.
In MOST of the Optiplex SFF line (I'm referring to the MicroATX/BTX sized ones from the last 10 years or so, the power supply gets in the way of a low profile two slot card (as ETA mentioned). Yes, you can use a different power supply, but most of these ones have the extra space on the other side of the card. A two slot low profile card does in fact hit the power supply due to the side that they're on. Historically that left people with using lower end AMD/ATI, single slot 670, 750, 950, and 1050 GTX cards. There are some, but not many. A lot of single slot cards are full height too, which won't work in these cases. One option is to buy a Micro ATX motherboard and case, and then just take the CPU, RAM, SSD, etc. out of one of these little Optiplexes. I've done that a few times. Works great, and for the price of a motherboard and case. Then you can put any card you want in it. However, there's not much wrong (other than maybe limited features) with the boards in these Optis, so if you can find a decent one slot low profile card (like this Yeston for example) you actually have a PC that can play high settings in most games at 1080 with light ray tracing, or maybe medium settings at a step up. Not too bad if you can get one cheaply and add this card to it. There are TONS more options out there of course, but this is a solid way to cram decent PC gaming into a corner somewhere, light living room or guest room setup, kids' PC, etc.
@@DrJ3RK8 You've not said anything I didn't already know, and haven't offered up to other people countless times before. However, you missed one crucial option... the x4 slot in the 50 and 70 class systems. It is open ended and allows for the installation of a dual slot card without any other changes to the system. You can see it clear as day in the video. Not everyone wants to pay $210 to $230 for a GPU, but they also don't want to resort to many of the terrible single slot options out there either. Now, for the 30 class... this is not an option since they have an x1 slot there, so yes, case swapping or using a Flex ATX power supply is their only other option if they don't want to buy a single slot card.
@@TheGameBench Call this my own psychoses, but I never intentionally introduce a POTENTIAL (even when it probably doesn't matter at all) bottleneck into something I'm building if I can help it. One could argue that building a system like this has many bottlenecks, and that's probably true, but personally, even though I know the real world impact is probably nil, I'm not going with narrow busses or other things of the kind. Yes, that's totally on me, and you could say that a single slot cooler is a bottleneck in itself, but in the case of the exact version of this system I'm building, this single slot 3050 is going to be perfect. All I was saying is that there are a few options, (possibly more than I even mentioned of course) but that this particular card is a good solution for these systems. I'd rather pop it in the X16 slot myself. I'm not saying people can't or even shouldn't use the 4x slot, but that's not my thing. So it wouldn't be in my list of recommendations. Also, yes, I know that this card is only speced for 8x in the first place. :P I also know that the memory bus width of this card is 96 bit, so yeah, it comes with a bottleneck out of the box. It will never saturate the PCIe bus. But... I'm still putting it in the 16x. :P Anyway, for approximate $300 USD for a 13700, 16GB system with this 3050 in it, for my daughter to do some light PC gaming couldn't really be a better fit. That's my total outlay for this.
Got one with an i5 6400 for £45 16gb ram and 250gb SSD already. The i7 8700 ones are £150 lowest. Going to sell the i5 and add towards a £35 i7 7700 should be enough performance for a rtx 3050 level GPU.
Hey. How did you find a different 3050 LP GPU? They were usually thicker than any other one. I bet I can build a proprietary SSD PC with a few upgrades without breaking the bank.
I just feel like for the 300 dollar mark you’d be much better off building a very low end am4 or lga1700 matx and then you’d have a all the room in the world to upgrade in the future. It might not perform like this out of the box, but someday you’d be able to throw a ryzen 9 or 12900k in there.
theres actually a sff pc, from office desktop its an hp 280 g3 it have a gen 9 intel and can utilize 2 slot pciex16 i hope you can make a video about it
I know something like the Intel ARC requires Rebar support; does this have that limitation? I have a Dell Precision Tower 3420 with an i7-7700 that I use for light gaming (no AAA) and I'd like to add a GPU to it; this seems like a good fit, but I want to make sure it is compatible.
I have a crazy idea, ASROCK N100M motherboard with this GPU running off a PICO PSU powered by a USBC 100w 12v trigger board. I wanna stuff all that into a tiny case and run it off a USBC power bank.
I've been watching this card. It's $209 on Amazon right now I do want to get one or maybe two eventually. I have two Dell's. I think they are 9030 and the other is the 7060. Or is it 9020 and 7030? Anyway, I popped in 32GB of RAM into both and a 1TB M.2 SSD into the 7000 series and it's running Windows 11. I was considering preparing one of them to give to my stepson's friend for gaming but I wanted to add a video card that' better than the 1GB Raedon card that is installed right now. If it drops under $200 I will grab one. Edit: I have a 7050 and a 9020.
you need better cooler for cpu if you are doing overclock, i bet with better cooler it can give you a bit better performance but maybe not justified if you do liquid cooling for this. theres no space for it anyway
Can you do a similar priced full sized card AMD please? I want to have the Linux option, I don't mind a full sized machine but I have a similar budget.
hey dont knock 6-7th gen processors, they do a pretty good job for a better price point. I'm a big fan of em for builds like this! I've built some low end systems with as low as 4th Gen, and they do a good job for their purpose, it's all about what games you want to play on them and what resolution you wanna get! I sell them on eBay with benchmark photos of the games they're best for, and the games they absolutely aren't suited for, and they still find good homes with people who want a PC but don't really play all of the new AAA titles that come out. Lots of indie only gamers nowadays!
@@opal817 fair, I don't put much stock into windows versions tho tbh, 10 is still very usable, and a lot of people still prefer it to 11 even knowing its about to lose some support.
Does it hackintosh as well? Btw. How it handles Five Hearts Under One Roof (it's a Korean game)? PS. I've checked. It hacks into iMac from around 2019. It's Coffee Lake after all.
Hey ETA PRIME you forgot the AliExpress link, can you add it please because i couldn't manage to find one there. I have a Dell Vostro 3681 SFF with i7-10700 & 16GB Ram DDR4 2666 & 500GB NVME + Wifi & Bluetooth. I did order the Sapphire Pulse RX 6400 LP as it was the most performant card i had available that i could order and grabbed one at 110 Euro. If i could've found this Yeston RTX 3050 LP earlier i would've ordered it right away. For gaming i might do some PUBG at 1080p 60hz and i assume it will do the job just fine for now, maybe next year we get even better low profile single slot ones.
@@itsmilan4069 Ryzen 2000 was closer to 4th Gen Intel in terms if single core performance. The 8th and 9th Gen were closer to something like the Ryzen 5 5600. Perhaps a little behind, but faster than 3000.
I think that if you can get your hands on office computers like this for very cheap, or even free, you're golden if you don't need the beefiest performance. Some businesses and offices get rid of lots of computer hardware all the time, and I suspect they rarely get much money back from it anyway, and the stuff ends up in recycling. With some connections, you might be lucky and snag one for "nothing". Likely, buying on E-bay and such, you won't get the good deals. But anyway, a 3050 is a really low budget card, that I wouldn't normally recommend anyone buy. It's severely overpriced. It only makes a tiny sense if you just don't have more money to spend, or you get a deal on the rest of the system like this, to offset the numbers.
For all you streamers out there this would make a great capture pc that has an extra slot for an internal capture card plus you get the microssd slot in the fron panel so you can more data saving/transfering options.
6:52 Why are you playing with DLSS and blaming the RTX 3050 for its mediocre performance? The small clip you show has the i7 8700 completely pegged at 100%, but the RYX 3050 is hanging in there with below 80% usage. Why are you saying you could get better performance by lowering the quality of DLSS? It's only a short clip, I know, but it looks like you're cpu-bound with DLSS, right?
How does it perform with stalker 2? I have the exact same setup as you, but with a 1650.... That gpu is getting very long in the tooth with all the games that I'm throwing at it 😂
A buddy from middle school just had me put together one of these for his kid who is now in middle school. I went with a thinkstation p330 for the 4 ram slots, platinum rated psu, and much more forgiving pcie slot layout. Came with an i7 8700, 16gb a 256gb nvme and intel 9560 wireless card. Threw another drive in it, a zotac 3050 6gb and a 40mm noctua in the front intake. It's nothing special but I'd have been stoked to have one at his age. And at around $400 all in, my friend can still get christmas gifts for his other two kids.
for $400 you get build an AM4 system with a $50 R5 2600/3600 and something like a $100 GTX 1070 Ti in a new $60 case with aRGB fans. Used a320m/b350 boards are like $50. 16GB 3200MHz DDR4 is like $25-30, new 500W PSU like $50 but you can good used EVGA and Corsair for $40 with 600-700W. 1TB NVMe $50 brand new, Wifi card $15.
@@smugmode Definitely could've gone that route. But I'm really not trying to be tech support on all that used gear for a 10 year old that really just wants to play fortnite on like a 24" 60hz TV in his room. And he's going to be taking it to friend's houses so I thought a SFF workstation build would be easier for him and less potential for something to randomly die that I'd have to deal with.
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN yeah for sure mate there are definitely always pros and cons. Pros for one of these is the cheap replacements motherboards and PSUs, easy upgrade for GPU, compact size I guess depending what you get. The cons should be obvious enough, I guess
dell could easily have the x16 slot as the primary, but they don't bc we want it to be e-waste as soon as possible
Nonsense these computers were for the office and not meant to be upgraded.
@@TheReferrer72 What is the benefit of using a lower-spec connector here? While it may not be targeted towards a consumer that cares about upgrading, giving it that capability is no loss.
@TheReferrer72 No that's nonsense. Because these are usually made to support extra components as a choice from Dell.
the hp 280 g3 sff, actually have a slot at the upper side. so you can use double size gpu
@@TheReferrer72 your answer makes no sense, there are low profile professional cards that are used for 3D rendering as well as for multi display setups. So the OP is right.
My Yeston 3050 arrives in a day or two. Popping it in a 7090 I think (same style Dell SFF) with a 13700+16GB DDR5 so whatever model that is. This will be a perfect game box for my daughter. My other kids all like to build their own PCs, but my youngest just wants a small but capable machine in the corner of her room, so this will do the trick nicely. Looking forward to popping this in and trying it out.
Those things are gimmicks, bro; get out.
@@IncognitoActivado Can't tell if you're joking? :D I think you are, but couldn't fully tell :D
The following is my qualifier just in case... :)
Any actual GPU is better than the iGPU on the 13700. I'm not going to swap the PSU or use the X4/X8 PCIe slot for video (yes I know all the implications etc. and that this is an 8X card.
I also know that it's a neutered VRAM bus on the card.
That said, it's going to do everything that I want this system to do flawlessly, and for the intended user of the system. For a total of $300 for the full setup. This system will be playing modern(ish) games at 1080 with medium to high settings depending on the game, and there is nothing about this system that isn't capable of that. In fact, mine is higher specced than the one ETA was showing, which was performing great for what these are. So... Everything is good. Putting the card in tonight.
I've been PC gaming since the 4.77MHz XT and have been building PCs since then. So I know my way around PC hardware. I have around 15 active PCs in the house, multiple MiSTers, Analogue consoles, MAME appliances, SuperGrafx+SD3Pro, and collect, restore, and repair arcade PCBs. (and am also an analog circuit designer and PCB maker).
Cue Otto saying "Let him go Ralph... He knows what he's doing..." 😁
@@DrJ3RK8 Gen 12, 13 and 14 of intel are not worth it, saltyboy.
@@IncognitoActivado For what purpose? I have a box full of them. Free. They do exactly what I expect of them. 14, 13, 12, 11, 10 (and then some Devil's Canyon stuff).
Hey, use whatever you like. If you like AMD go for it. I use Intel and NV generally speaking, but occasionally dabble in AMD. The 7800X3D is a nice CPU. I have absolutely zero issues with people just using what they want to use.
Personally I don't use AMD GPUs though. The hardware is great, and even though they've made good strides with their drivers over the years, and have introduced a lot of nice tech to the graphics market, the experience is just not as solid as NV.
I use whatever product suits the task that I want a machine to perform. I'm not tied to anything, but at the same time saying that the 14, 13, and 12, gen Intel chips aren't worth it is just plain silly. Especially since I didn't even have to pay for most of them.
Only someone that WAS completely brand loyal would say something like that.
AMD makes excellent chips, but I don't personally need to invest in that ecosystem since I have so much extra gear laying around.
I have yet for any PC that I've built to leave me wanting in any way.
Except for a RAMbus i820 system I built in the 90s just because I was curious about the chipset. Immediately took the board back and bought an i815 board with SDRAM. That was the only system that I've ever put together that I was disappointed in the performance of.
In no way am I salty. Use whatever you like, but don't tell me what I'm using is wrong. I know precisely what I want to use and why.
I also don't generally buy the absolute top end of any PC hardware anymore. I go generally with say for GPUs Nvidia xx70 or xx70Ti level (so upper midrange) and either stuff I have on hand, or I might pick up whatever the sweet spot CPU is for whatever motherboard chipset I want to use. I have other, more expensive hobbies these days, and just don't feel like I need to spend a ton on PCs. Provided I can play the games I want locked to 60 or 120 frames per second with all the options cranked up where I want them, I call it good. I don't play at 4K either, so that works fine for me. I used to buy all top end everything, multi-GPU setups, etc. but I had a lot less other things to spend money on back then. :D I mainly play retro games, indie games, id Software shooters, FromSoft games, etc. So either not that demandind, or very well optimized stuff for the most part.
Anyway, like I said. Get what you like. I'll get what I like. It's just kinda stupid to tell someone what they bought was wrong, especially when you have no idea who they are, or what they know about the subject.
@@DrJ3RK8 The level of copium is 9000!!!
I was literally building this exact set up, this is crazy, glad to see I came up with a good idea, great minds think alike, great video.
The lack of space between the psu and gpu fan is scary!
It's terrible, he probably played with cover open and not for long.
It's almost 0 space for air to blow out ! Gonna get over heat verry verry soon !
Yamete
I just cut a hole in the case and made a PCIe riser go through it...
the hp 280 g3 sff, actually have a slot at the upper side. so you can use double size gpu
I love the small form factor version you created much more...
You led me down an optiplex rabbit hole when you did your arc a310 video and now we just hit a new milestone with this 3050 single slot
Younger sister has been asking for a pc, might get this combo for her for Christmas
You can buy used gaming pc in ebay for less than 300 dollars, with 2600 or 3600, 1660 up to 2060
It's gonna be a screamer unless you modify the case, be careful
I have an HP Slimline 12100 (picked up from eBay brand new for under $200) with a RX 6400 but an RTX 3050 on order. This machine is my secondary computer I use mainly for work in my home office but wanted it game as well. My main machine is an i7 13700K, RTX 4080 but this secondary machine is the one that amazes me for what it can do for the budget.
I have basically the same Dell, but with a Pulse RX 6400 single slot GPU running as my HTPC.
Love these Dell OptiPlex office PCs, they make a great platform for a cheap gaming rig, or anything really. I use one as a gaming system for my living room TV, and the other as a Linux server. Mine are slightly older units running 3rd gen i7s, but they still perform great. I may upgrade to a 7060 at some point.
this is perfect for younger gamer who are mainly looking to play fortnight and roblox and if they want to play some triple A games it preforms amazing as well! I bet it also runs emulation amazing and all for a really nice budget too! good work on this one ETA
Im hoping that theres an 8GB LPSS card with the next gen GPUs. I have both a RX6400 and this Yeston card, and we could always use more tiny but capable GPUs.
I appreciate this channel. You do a Fantastic job at reviewing a great variety of components, new and used. Youre an awesome resource when I need to research odd use cases for random hardware
Agreed. I always have a metric ton of old hardware kicking around. I buy higher end for my main PCs, then trickle parts down to my kids and other family/friends, and then always have older stuff like three generation plus old CPUs, RAM, motherboards, GPUS, etc. sitting in the cabinets taking up space. Sometimes I see some good ideas on this channel. Or, for example, I hadn't heard of the Yeston 3050 yet, and ETA is the reason I bought one, because I actually had one of these Dells sitting around with a 13700/DDR5 in it, and needed a decent one slot card in it for one of my kids. It was perfect, and saved me the time of searching around.
FYI you can easily mod the bios in these to accept 9th gen intel CPUs. My 7060 (like all of them from the factory) was locked to 8th gen, but after a quick flash it now has an i7 9700 and is running great paired with a T600.
ETA, would you consider making a video tutorial about that bios mod process since you do so much with SFF machines?
Perfect for batocera
A brilliant video, this old Dell nearly matches the performance from i9 small form factor build done just recently.
I love that you have been putting out so many videos with the 7060 because that's the exact same system I have.
I think I read somewhere that 2400MT/s is actually the fastest RAM that the motherboard supports, so I wouldn't bother going faster.
I ended up pairing it with a RX 580 cause' that's what I have money for, at the moment, so I had to case swap it and added a new power supply with an adapter, great aquisition, great performance, very happy me =)
2666MT/s should work too since that is the limit of the CPU according to Intel.
Not bad mate, I like playable SFF PC, also DELL is my favorite brand to use, our ideas similar.😂
Wow that tiny psu have the juice to run the 3050... Nice...
Is this sarcasm? 😅
Manufacturers like Dell often put really good custom PSUs inside their office desktops, and the 3050 is really power efficient. It draws about as much as a low power laptop gpu
@@sebah40A lot of people don't seem to understand how low power graphics cards works. They think it will power spike like a regular card when it is literally designed to never do that.
Not sure why you got the response you did below, but yeah. A lot of power supplies aren't all that big physically speaking. Many server supplies are even a little smaller. It comes down to the technology, components etc. used, and the ability to keep the right components cool. Smaller fans can move a lot of air, but they just make a lot more noise doing it. If you've heard rack servers before, you'll know. :) Rack gear often uses little 1.5" fans, sometimes doubled or quadrupled up since they fit into 1U cases (for example) but they spin at really high RPMs, and make a ton of noise. (compared to say a 120mm fan spinning slowly.)
If the supply uses good regulators or DC/DC converters, good capacitors, and cooling they can really be quite small and provide plenty of clean current.
I have seen other UA-camrs remove the top cover of the PSU. While you need to be super careful not to touch the capacitors etc (not safe or recommended for non-experienced people), it can open up more airflow to the GPU.
5:25 temps are really good
i would like to see a nice overclock here
can make the difference between 54 fps vs. 60+ fps or changing medium settings to high settings.
I think these builds are always fun “can it be done” type videos, but unless you’re desperate for sff, you’re much better off getting a used xps off eBay and popping in a RX 6600 for about the same price as that low profile. It’ll perform significantly faster for either the same or not much more money.
I have a 7070 as an office pc with a 6400, and it gets loud and hot. Between the small, noisy blower style fan and the lack of gpu ventilation, it’s just not an ideal platform for gaming. These SSF sound awesome until you get to the end product and realize you’d have been much better off with a basic tower.
Do agree but having an option to put the whole pc in school bag and bring it to a friend to play game like you have a PS is amazing
@ in that case, why not just bring a ps5? The slims are just as potable, the price is comparable, and the games will probably run better.
@@Mampersandwell pc is more versatile and u dont need to pay a ps subscription to play a game.
There's enough room in the front of those to add a thickboy 80/92mm fan. Can just get a single speed unit so you can power it via sata power adapter if there's no extra mobo header.
I was recently helping my uncle pick out a Win11-compatible PC (thanks, Microsoft) and am already noticing a significant difference between systems that are and are not Win11. You can get a Dell like this cleaned up and shipped for $250-300, but 7th Gen and older systems with similar specs can be had for almost half that. Tis a golden age for Linux I guess!
When I replaced the i5 with its best Xeon equivalent the pc had a smoother feel to it, made it a little snappier.
@@rdbrown58 Do the 8th and 9th gen have Xeon equivalents? I did not see any.
When I did it I started with the socket type of the original, making sure of the chipset and wattage, then locating other CPUs in that group. Good luck!
@rdbrown58 thanks!
This is very impressive
the Yeston 3050 SSF Single Slot is great for Dell OptiPlex SSF since they more common on eBay than the MT
I love these videos about clever budget systems you put together! Love your other vids too, but these kinds of vids are rare, and valuable. Keep up the great work!
Great HTPC too
Seems to me the i7-8700 and the RTX 3050 seem to work well together without too much bottlenecking of the system. The system is pushing very close to 100% usage on both the GPU and the CPU in most of those titles but the temps looked really good and there was parity. Anything less than the 8th Gen would, I think, cause some serious issues with the CPU being left behind. All things considered, not a bad little system!
I can't wait to see Arm desktop PCs with upgradeable RAM. I've been a lifelong PC fan, but two years ago I got my first Macbook, the M1 Max. The performance is crazy for the size but so is the cost. The Apple Mac Mini has me convinced that that the days of the LFF PC are dead. ITX will be the new LFF PC. Unfortunately, while the gaming catalogue has steadily been improving on Mac, I suspect it is less than 0.01% of that of PCs. I hope more devs take notice of the rapidly expanding Apple user base and adapt.
I've just bought this card for a Lenovo ThinkCentre M720q with an i5-8400T. I'm hoping it'll give me a little more performance over a RX6400 - especially as it has 8 PCI lanes over the 6400's 4. It would be good to see it running in the Lenovo M920Q that the channel has been playing with
I would love to see a video testing both cards. I also have a m720q with a rx6400 and I was thinking about the upgrade. But I'm not sure if it's worth the price
@@Sinpracticathe 3050 is 30% more powerful without DLSS
The 3050 is way faster than 6400. They dont even compare. @@Sinpractica
Love these build videios.
You can also consider a used RTX A2000 6GB, provided you can trust the seller. ETA PRIME has covered this card in another video. Compared to the single slot Yeston RTX 3050 6GB it is a low profile dual slot card which might be an issue for specific SFF systems (as seen with this DELL unit). You can find a used one for around 200-250 USD. Due to their TDP limitation, they can't be pushed that much unless someone made a shunt mod to the card. So if you can trust the seller that he has not tinkered with it and your SFF system can fit one, it is also a good buy and it has around 20-30% more performance than the RTX 3050 6GB (it uses a cut down version of the GA106 chip which is found in RTX 3060 cards).
❤ Would like to see "PS3" & OG "XBox" Emulation for this build, since those consoles are starting to aged.
Just got mine today! Going in a p330 tiny.
I got one of these Yeston 3050s for an Inspiron 3471 (i7-9700) build with this same cramped PCIe slot. It's nice for emulation. It's a bit loud tho.
Considering I happily use a much worse PC, this actually seems really awesome :D
I was actually trying to find a cheap gaming pc option recently. Something cheap and small so that if I don't need it then it's no big deal to stuff it away somewhere where it won't take a lot of space and goes unused for an undefined time. I would've done a laptop, but those go for hundreds more--money which I can instead spend on cheap computer accessories.
Such an awesome build, great idea to play around with what you have or if you just don't wanna break the bank.
One question though, since you're using an 8th gen CPU, how come you're able to run Win11? I though Microsoft is requiring users to have 11th Gen CPUs at the minimum?
Hi. Do a CPU temperature test and the performance of the entire PC by turning off HT. In some games it should increase FPS
Also do the test in a Dell with graphics in x4 and x16 slots
I need to pick up that 3050 for my Lenovo M720Q tiny (has an i7-8700T with 32GB RAM and a Quadro T1000 crrently, but the T1000 is...eh...)
I’ve noticed on new MT Dell PCs they’ve given them small PSUs, I think they’ve seen what UA-camrs are doing with the older ones.
This easily beats what I'm using right now...
great video as always, estimated time of arrival prime!
ETA can you show us a low-cost build in a small form factor PC with a dual boot bazzite and Windows 11? Please.
interested to see this combo, but with RX6400 instead :D
People keep saying that you can only install a single slot card in these, and while that is the case for the 30 class systems, in the 50 and 70 class systems you can install a dual slot card in the x4 slot next to the CPU. However, it's nice to have that single slot option so you're not making a compromise on performance.
In MOST of the Optiplex SFF line (I'm referring to the MicroATX/BTX sized ones from the last 10 years or so, the power supply gets in the way of a low profile two slot card (as ETA mentioned). Yes, you can use a different power supply, but most of these ones have the extra space on the other side of the card. A two slot low profile card does in fact hit the power supply due to the side that they're on. Historically that left people with using lower end AMD/ATI, single slot 670, 750, 950, and 1050 GTX cards. There are some, but not many.
A lot of single slot cards are full height too, which won't work in these cases.
One option is to buy a Micro ATX motherboard and case, and then just take the CPU, RAM, SSD, etc. out of one of these little Optiplexes. I've done that a few times. Works great, and for the price of a motherboard and case. Then you can put any card you want in it. However, there's not much wrong (other than maybe limited features) with the boards in these Optis, so if you can find a decent one slot low profile card (like this Yeston for example) you actually have a PC that can play high settings in most games at 1080 with light ray tracing, or maybe medium settings at a step up. Not too bad if you can get one cheaply and add this card to it.
There are TONS more options out there of course, but this is a solid way to cram decent PC gaming into a corner somewhere, light living room or guest room setup, kids' PC, etc.
@@DrJ3RK8 You've not said anything I didn't already know, and haven't offered up to other people countless times before. However, you missed one crucial option... the x4 slot in the 50 and 70 class systems. It is open ended and allows for the installation of a dual slot card without any other changes to the system. You can see it clear as day in the video. Not everyone wants to pay $210 to $230 for a GPU, but they also don't want to resort to many of the terrible single slot options out there either.
Now, for the 30 class... this is not an option since they have an x1 slot there, so yes, case swapping or using a Flex ATX power supply is their only other option if they don't want to buy a single slot card.
@@TheGameBench Call this my own psychoses, but I never intentionally introduce a POTENTIAL (even when it probably doesn't matter at all) bottleneck into something I'm building if I can help it. One could argue that building a system like this has many bottlenecks, and that's probably true, but personally, even though I know the real world impact is probably nil, I'm not going with narrow busses or other things of the kind. Yes, that's totally on me, and you could say that a single slot cooler is a bottleneck in itself, but in the case of the exact version of this system I'm building, this single slot 3050 is going to be perfect. All I was saying is that there are a few options, (possibly more than I even mentioned of course) but that this particular card is a good solution for these systems. I'd rather pop it in the X16 slot myself. I'm not saying people can't or even shouldn't use the 4x slot, but that's not my thing. So it wouldn't be in my list of recommendations. Also, yes, I know that this card is only speced for 8x in the first place. :P I also know that the memory bus width of this card is 96 bit, so yeah, it comes with a bottleneck out of the box. It will never saturate the PCIe bus. But... I'm still putting it in the 16x. :P Anyway, for approximate $300 USD for a 13700, 16GB system with this 3050 in it, for my daughter to do some light PC gaming couldn't really be a better fit. That's my total outlay for this.
This is why I got a Lenovo over Dell. They have room for a double wide low profile. Slightly wider due to it having 4 slots but still SFF.
@@iambridgingyou yap, m75s here.
For the stated $360, I'll take my chances at a local pawn shop or marketplace.
I'm looking to build something like this for my daughter. Is there a GPU you could recommend for Minecraft to run smoothly?
One of the big problem with some HP and Dell computers is if they use a CPU blower fan, it is horrible and so much noise under load :-(
Hi Sir, while gaming or stress test, may I know what is the maximum temp of the GPU?
Got one with an i5 6400 for £45 16gb ram and 250gb SSD already. The i7 8700 ones are £150 lowest. Going to sell the i5 and add towards a £35 i7 7700 should be enough performance for a rtx 3050 level GPU.
Is that the only color it comes in? Not a huge deal, but i think I would want something that goes with the rest of the build if i had the option.
Hey. How did you find a different 3050 LP GPU? They were usually thicker than any other one. I bet I can build a proprietary SSD PC with a few upgrades without breaking the bank.
Yeston makes a model thats 1 slot low profile
I just feel like for the 300 dollar mark you’d be much better off building a very low end am4 or lga1700 matx and then you’d have a all the room in the world to upgrade in the future. It might not perform like this out of the box, but someday you’d be able to throw a ryzen 9 or 12900k in there.
theres actually a sff pc, from office desktop
its an hp 280 g3
it have a gen 9 intel
and can utilize 2 slot pciex16
i hope you can make a video about it
I know something like the Intel ARC requires Rebar support; does this have that limitation? I have a Dell Precision Tower 3420 with an i7-7700 that I use for light gaming (no AAA) and I'd like to add a GPU to it; this seems like a good fit, but I want to make sure it is compatible.
You need to mod the BIOS to get Rebar in anything bellow 10th generation.
I have a crazy idea, ASROCK N100M motherboard with this GPU running off a PICO PSU powered by a USBC 100w 12v trigger board. I wanna stuff all that into a tiny case and run it off a USBC power bank.
I've been watching this card. It's $209 on Amazon right now I do want to get one or maybe two eventually. I have two Dell's. I think they are 9030 and the other is the 7060. Or is it 9020 and 7030? Anyway, I popped in 32GB of RAM into both and a 1TB M.2 SSD into the 7000 series and it's running Windows 11. I was considering preparing one of them to give to my stepson's friend for gaming but I wanted to add a video card that' better than the 1GB Raedon card that is installed right now. If it drops under $200 I will grab one.
Edit: I have a 7050 and a 9020.
Could you test at 1440p? I wonder if DLSS can run games at decent FPS with this GPU
Could you please also add the new Stalker 2 game that just came out for your game tests section? Thank you for the video!
Be interesting to see how far a latest gen mini PC closes the gap of performance to price meow.
How much difference is between performance with this rtx 3050 and the rtx a2000? Does it have better cooling?
you need better cooler for cpu if you are doing overclock, i bet with better cooler it can give you a bit better performance but maybe not justified if you do liquid cooling for this. theres no space for it anyway
Can you do a similar priced full sized card AMD please? I want to have the Linux option, I don't mind a full sized machine but I have a similar budget.
hey dont knock 6-7th gen processors, they do a pretty good job for a better price point. I'm a big fan of em for builds like this! I've built some low end systems with as low as 4th Gen, and they do a good job for their purpose, it's all about what games you want to play on them and what resolution you wanna get! I sell them on eBay with benchmark photos of the games they're best for, and the games they absolutely aren't suited for, and they still find good homes with people who want a PC but don't really play all of the new AAA titles that come out. Lots of indie only gamers nowadays!
I think the main issue is they're not * officially * supported by W11 and W10 is end of life pretty soon.
@@opal817 fair, I don't put much stock into windows versions tho tbh, 10 is still very usable, and a lot of people still prefer it to 11 even knowing its about to lose some support.
They run 11 pretty well too, they are just more so left out by Microsoft is all
Would this card give good results in the Lenovo M720/M920s?
What would be one level below that GPU in performance and below $100?
Can't find a listing for an Optiplex 7060 for anything close to $75. The lowest I saw was $150
Does it hackintosh as well? Btw. How it handles Five Hearts Under One Roof (it's a Korean game)? PS. I've checked. It hacks into iMac from around 2019. It's Coffee Lake after all.
Is the rear I/O shield removable ?
Hey ETA PRIME you forgot the AliExpress link, can you add it please because i couldn't manage to find one there.
I have a Dell Vostro 3681 SFF with i7-10700 & 16GB Ram DDR4 2666 & 500GB NVME + Wifi & Bluetooth.
I did order the Sapphire Pulse RX 6400 LP as it was the most performant card i had available that i could order and grabbed one at 110 Euro. If i could've found this Yeston RTX 3050 LP earlier i would've ordered it right away.
For gaming i might do some PUBG at 1080p 60hz and i assume it will do the job just fine for now, maybe next year we get even better low profile single slot ones.
I built the same thing ram and all except I used an old gtx 3050 and upgraded the psu a level
Emulation!!! How high can PS2 upscale? Can it run PS3 well?
what systems will it cover with emulation?
I like them can upgrade the Ram to 64GB, but cannot remove the I/O plate
Have you tried a Tesla P4 gpu?
u forgot to put the TEMPS!
What he always forgets it's the noise.
Its great but sadly in my country when power supply broken it cost more than the whole pc it self
you will try this 3050 on the lenovo m920q?
6:17 8th gen was comparable to 3000 series (tho amd costed less back then)
sry I meant ryzen 2000
zen 2 was leap in performance
@@itsmilan4069 Ryzen 2000 was closer to 4th Gen Intel in terms if single core performance. The 8th and 9th Gen were closer to something like the Ryzen 5 5600. Perhaps a little behind, but faster than 3000.
I think that if you can get your hands on office computers like this for very cheap, or even free, you're golden if you don't need the beefiest performance. Some businesses and offices get rid of lots of computer hardware all the time, and I suspect they rarely get much money back from it anyway, and the stuff ends up in recycling. With some connections, you might be lucky and snag one for "nothing". Likely, buying on E-bay and such, you won't get the good deals. But anyway, a 3050 is a really low budget card, that I wouldn't normally recommend anyone buy. It's severely overpriced. It only makes a tiny sense if you just don't have more money to spend, or you get a deal on the rest of the system like this, to offset the numbers.
Hey ETA, I was wondering would a PCIe riser cable be able to fit with a two slot gpu in a case like this?
Its got to be on steam right for that performance...?
The biggest thing I’ve gamed on till today is a ps3
If I can get a PC that runs games at at least 80+ fps at 1080p, that’s fine by me
...Almost all of the "PS3 & "XBox 360" game library are cap @30 FPS, no reason going @80 FPS.
With the low profile 4060 it is possible
Dumb question, can this do ray-tracing, particularly for minecraft?
will the PSU be a problem with this build?
Nah bro built Dell tough
@@commando21 Yeah from my experience Dells don’t die
What about the nec mate office pc with an i5 4th gen? I'd like to know what should I upgrade with it
For all you streamers out there this would make a great capture pc that has an extra slot for an internal capture card plus you get the microssd slot in the fron panel so you can more data saving/transfering options.
6:52 Why are you playing with DLSS and blaming the RTX 3050 for its mediocre performance? The small clip you show has the i7 8700 completely pegged at 100%, but the RYX 3050 is hanging in there with below 80% usage. Why are you saying you could get better performance by lowering the quality of DLSS? It's only a short clip, I know, but it looks like you're cpu-bound with DLSS, right?
How does it perform with stalker 2? I have the exact same setup as you, but with a 1650.... That gpu is getting very long in the tooth with all the games that I'm throwing at it 😂
1650 ain't gunna cut it chief
wondering how it perform against HX 370 mini pc
I have Hp 280 g3 sff can u suggest me best graphic card for 3d modeling & video editing
Specs - i5 8500t
Ram - 8 gb
Storage - 1 TB
You think can be install in a Lenovo ideacentre mini i7 13th iris xe
Question how would this handle kris Koolmods Retrobeast 2tb light gun drive?
Snapdragon 8 elite switch emulation,please🙏🏻
Can this GPU mount on older Dell 3020SFF (with an i5 4590)?