Lisa Harper: Biblical Principles VS Personal Preferences and Beliefs | Better Together on TBN
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- This week on Better Together, Lisa Harper discusses how to discern when you're being manipulated. Join the conversation as Dr. DeeDee Freeman, Robyn Wilkerson, Alex Seeley, and Donna Pisani join Lisa Harper to share how they've learned to navigate situations where people try to disguise their preferences as Biblical principles.
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if you reading this: God is making a way for you right now!
Amen
In Jesus name, Amen.
I don’t believe one can be on this planet and NOT be manipulated by someone at some time in their lives NO MATTER HOW OUTSPOKEN you think you are. It’s these times where learning from the situation is paramount. Pain can be a prison or a school.
Agree!
❤I’m glad you commented on Dee Dee’s statement. I found her portion intriguing and wanted to hear more. Dee Dee brought up a good point though that she experiences manipulation of Satan and I wish she would have had more time to get into her story. Manipulation of Satan is so real and the battle of the mind is such a real internal battle. So though she said she’s able to call out manipulation from others, I took that to mean from her perspective of her life, she feels she’s able to combat manipulation from others more readily and victoriously. Meaning they have tried to manipulate her but were not successful. Whereas with Satan’s manipulation she recalls moments he was able to get her to give in, doubt, sit down from worship, avoid her calling, or whatever through her thoughts. And like she referenced Eve with Satan, He manipulated Eve and got her to doubt God’s word. In that same way Dee Dee might have had some life giving testimony to shed light on how destructive that form of manipulation was played out in her life. And she been able to share her specific moment that his manipulations were successful that would have set more of us free. It also would have aided in the listeners to learn about the dark forces of the spirit world. Because after all the snares of the enemy is what we all are truly wrestling with - not so much flesh and blood but rulers, authorities, principalities, and evil in the heavenlies. So I think she was bringing forth a very powerful vantage point that differed from what the other ladies shared but needed more time to be fully unpacked for her story to be fully understood and given grace. Because she may have very well experienced manipulation from others but in that moment didn’t perceive it as such or couldn’t recall that being her particular moment of defeat with manipulation like the other ladies were able to give story to, but she did recall satan’s direct successful manipulative attacks. Blessings. ❤
@@jihanrachele.brooks1648 I appreciate this.
@@jihanrachele.brooks1648 yea, I wish she was allowed to complete her point. She was really getting into some insightful discussion
Try not to be judgmental but instead PRAY.
To anybody who's reading this, I pray that whatever is hurting you or whatever you are constantly stressing about gets better. May the dark thoughts, the overthinking, and the doubt exit your mind right now. May clarity replace confusion. May peace and calmness fill your life. Amen
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AMEN ✨️❤️✝️🙏🏽✝️❤️✨️
Xshakom shalom brethren thx 4 the beautiful prayer ❤😢😮😊
Amen
Amen! I need this going through it in my marriage. Tomorrow evening God willing my husband and I will have a talk.
There she is Lisa Harper inspiring people with God's word and beauty. I absolutely adore Lisa. Thank you ladies for the inspiration
I just wish those around her would be quiet and not try to talk over each other.
I was 17yrs old & the level of manipulation I've experienced being under pastoral authority was sick. I loved God & I still do and bcz that leader saw that i did, it placed me in a vulnerable position. When i began to dig deeper into the word of God with the guidance and revelation of the Holy Spirit, i could differentiate between wht was God and what was not.
I always encourage ppl to get into the word for themselves to get to know God's character especially bcz scriptures are taken out of context to fit whtever doctrinal agenda.
So true
I too, have had "Christian friends" speak negativity over me vs worldly ppl. It's a awful feeling. But God calls us to give them GRACE, FORGIVE THEM & if the Holy Spirit tells you, bring it to their attention IN LOVE so they can LEARN from it. ❤ Love these videos! Such GEMS!
Y’all this conversation is so powerful. Praise God this was recommended to me!
This brought more confirmation of spiritual manipulation. I grew up in a similar church culture and had to learn the hard way many years later what this issue was. Thank you sisters! Amen 🙏🏾
As per Robyn, people can be sincere but sincerely wrong!!! 💯 percent facts
Facts
"We live in a world that is broken by sin, and so no one's going to love us exactly the way we were designed to be loved - which is perfectly." -Lisa. Just one more place requiring the ample grace of God...🙏
Lisa Harper is too REAL!!! Also, quite funny....
For people that are hard to Love
1. Pray that God wants them to be all that he wants them to be
(To do what he has called them to do)
2. Pray that God will open their eyes and allow them to see the pain that they may have caused people
3. Pray that God will help them to get to the root of their problems
(Pray for discernment)
4. Be ready to forgive them often
Matthew 7:3
Ephesians 4:32
Some good stuff girl...he is talking to us because this is what we talked about...I didn't know how to Pray for my enemies but he has shown us how to do so...God is good...Thank you Jesus
No human is going to love us the way we deserve to be loved, which is perfectly.
People can be sincerely wrong! 💯 God said TEST THE SPIRIT for a reason. This entire thing smacks of 1 Kings 13. God will tell us where and how to walk and when someone speaks what goes against the will of God, that is a sign that they’re not operating under His spirit.
God's correction is redemptive. And when it's from the devil, it is condemning instead.
When we understand God's character, be spending time in his word and prayer, we will know if a rebuke is Godly or otherwise. In addition, we won't manipulate others.
After listening to and watching this episode, I needed my daughters to listen to and watch it as well because I think this is fundamentally true about what is going on in our Churches today.
I agree, manipulation is real unfortunately
😭😭😭 I didn't realize how much I needed to hear this!!! I thought I was targeted 🎯 because of my brokenness. I felt the shame & rejection & separateness caused by others Words. Thank you ladies for touching that sore spot in my heart ❤ & soul & bringing the Light of God's Words to heal & fill those wounds with His Love & acceptance 🫶🏻
Obedience to Christ, to the leading of The Holy Spirit & to Scripture, that's it. Not to anything or anyone that is against Christ, against Scripture, not to anyone that is prideful, arrogant, puffed up or haughty. I thank The Lord for pulling me out of a so called christian church (cult) & He showed me His Truth!
God led me here today, after a major conflict with someone, resulting in loss sleep and charged emotions all day. This came from God right on time so that I don't spend days workiing this out. I've been given direction, freedom, release as a result of this finished work. GLORY TO GOD!
Christian counseling was probably the best thing that ever happened to me, once I got brutally honest about where I was really at and stop sugar coating it. I’ve got more freedom in the last two years than I have the whole 15 years of my walk with the Lord. There was a lot of back and forth with me earlier on in my walk. I wasn’t really serious about it. Or I guess I was too busy trying to be a people pleaser than a God pleaser first. I tried to do all the things I could wherever I could but I never stuck with it, until I truly got the freedom I needed. Thats when I started to really get serious about giving up those things that I KNEW the Lord had said to give up and the give up those old friends who weren’t really for me. And God just removed them for me. I didn’t have to do much in that. I grieved a whole lot in that season tho. But I’m so thankful that God never gave up on me and He just kept pursuing me.
Anything with Lisa Harper I immediately click! 🥰
Wow! Thank you for posting this, TBN! I have certainly experienced manipulation, including the church. So I appreciate you doing a show about this, especially because women find themselves manipulated in the name of obedience
Wow, thank you for that Great Message and Prayer, Sisters. You know whether it's in the Church or anywhere else in this Broken World, We can only place our Trust in the One and Only Mighty God who is Able to bring Us out from the Hands of the Enemy, Amen! So I just want to thank Better Together every moment for allowing us, the listeners to hear these messages and know the Power of God to help Us to overcome the Enemy in our lives. Blessings to you, All❤
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this shows that church can be quite unsafe, and we still need a spirit of discernment even in Church and more so
I made myself so small to make some people feel big! Wish I knew God like I know Him now. Did everything so people can feel loved and appreciated but I weakened myself. I have Jesus now❤
Lisa your testimony is healing many. I thank God for your ladies very authentic, truthful conversations. Shame has held many of us back from doing what God has assigned us to do, Keep sharing🙌🏾👐🏾 Sadly church has become big business to get right rather than teaching, preaching and upbuilding the body of Christ for being light in this world
This was an AMAZING fellowship! Thank you for sharing!
I was taught to let go of control & it reveals a persons real nature pray & meditate 💜💥
0:26: 😔 A woman shares her experience of feeling called to orphan care but being discouraged by a friend due to her past trauma.
3:16: 🙏 The speaker shares a personal story of being manipulated by someone using scripture out of context and discusses the importance of being aware of manipulation disguised as spirituality.
7:28: 💔 The speaker shares her experience of being manipulated and controlled by leaders in her church, including being criticized for her appearance and causing others to have eating disorders.
12:16: 🔑 The speaker shares her experience of being manipulated and feeling ashamed, but has found freedom and redemption in God.
15:13: ✨ The speaker discusses the difference between manipulation and serving, the importance of setting boundaries, and the need for therapy to heal from manipulative situations.
18:40: ❤ The importance of seeking wise counsel and Christian community for healing and growth.
23:18: 🙏 Prayer for women who have been hurt by the church and feel like they don't fit in.
Recap by Tammy AI
Agree 110% of us are recovering from church abuse while many are still suffering and going through it, many God have mercy 🙌let us continue to pray 🙏🤲🛐 for each other as well as world 🌎.
This is such a good conversation. Thank you for sharing. ❤❤❤❤
Timely topic and truth! Amazing ladies! Praise God for sharing your experience and thoughts 🙏
Some women are intimated by others rising to their position in Christ. I have seen this now with a leader one of the things I was told is that my hair is distracting others and taking their eyes off of Jesus. It's only just becoming clear to me and this video has helped bring clarity xxxxx
Sept 16, I will be spiritually 45 yrs old. The Lord called me immediately then 3 yrs later my pastor passed. Ever since it's been Jesus and me. I have felt like an 👾 👽 alien bcause I am VERY different in every way.. I was called to live by faith, was sent to Honduras for 11mo where I learned to totally depend on God. Six years ago my only son rebelled and we lost contact with ea other. I was hospitalized 3 days w a broken heart BUT GOD 2 wks ago found him and it shocked me to hear how highly my only son taught of me while all this time my family made me feel I was a monster and the enemy would torture me believing I had bn a bad mom. I was once weak but now I'm strong. When you know who u are and WHO'S you are, there's no devil in hell nor MANIPULATION that can stop you from what God has promised you. NOW I LOVE God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, my Best Friend. I'm saved, free, single and Happy in Christ Jesus💃💃💃👣😄❣️ THERE'S NO GOD LIKE MY GOD. Blessings to you all❤❤❤
You’re praying for me. That’s exactly how I feel. 😢
thank you to the Holy Spirit, who just reminded me of a pastor telling me I shouldnt despise my humble beginnings this morning I realised that word was not from God and that was 10 years ago my God, thank you for making me realise it was munipulation and because he was my sheperd I pulled myself back from alot of things thanks you to the Holy Spirit for opening me up
0:40 this has brought me such healing and comfort. I would like to thank you ladies. May God continue to use you. Thank you also for your vulnerability in sharing your stories...really helps the word come alive. You're amazing Lisa🔥🔥such an assert
This has helped me so much. I now feel empowered through Holy Spirit to step out and do what I have needed to do many many years ago but I was to broken and scared to do. I was listening to this on my way to church and then my pastor preached basically the same message, different circumstance but the very same. I thank God for devin direction!
Amen.This was a powerful powerful session and I thank God for you ladies.God bless you abundantly
So true I was just manipulated … I could discern this really fast.. my problem was not that I was manipulated but my problem was that I fiercely reacted and was very mean. Asking God for forgiveness..and apologized for my part of being mean.. but severed ties still. I pray for Gods forgiveness . I was mean..
So powerful! Love love love this!
Thank you! I so needed to hear this today.
So powerful and liberating. Blessings ladies ❤!
Kind of shook my heart when she told that by that woman of God. Cause I can understand how she felt. Sometimes I've felt like I'd never be right or do anything right. God Bless You All. I'm so glad i came upon this! It was not a chance find that's for sure.
God knew I needed this word. Thank you Deedee for your prayer. This is my experience right now, with Christians weaponizing scripture, but, there voice doesn't override what God has told me. Thank you sisters!
Yes! Freedom from the words sent by the enemy to steal kill and destroy. No more satan. Jesus is our Lord and Savior.
thank you for sharing- I was told something outrageous before and am encouraged by this word!!!!!!
Love this session! God bless you for this❤
Wow, I so appreciate this! I just went through this and the manipulator talked about me and turned people at church against me -she even tried to turn my husband against me. She expresses nothing but "loving concern" for me publicly but in private she berated me. We left that church and were told we were not walking in love.
I'm so sorry this happened to you. But God had a ram in the bush for you ❤
@@charnaemorrison2188 TY, I so appreciate your understanding and encouragement
I understand, and the best thing is to leave that place for your peace of mind, and I did that too and i encourage Christians not to stay in a place where people just rob your peace of mind, its not worth it.
Wow that is hurtful so glad for Gods love to help you..
Very important episode.
There needs to be more topics on this subject.
This is so good!!
Thank you ladies. It was what I needed.
This was a really good message. Thank you ladies!
This is for me!! Thank you!
PRAISE❤❤❤
Pass the torch! Thank you for sharing!
THIS IS SO BEAUTIFUL,THANK YOU!
Wow, so good, thank you ladies!!
Thank you so much it spoke right to my heart
God can heal all of our brokenness!
DeeDee so DC love you so much your voice remindse of home
I love her so much
Wow - thanks for posting this - thank you!
Powerful! Those stories lifted me up.
Thank you for this conversation 🙏🏽
Thank you
This is extraordinary teaching!
Wow! My Lord! This is good.
Thank you for everything I am a better person because of listening to you.
I’ve only just found you, at first I thought you were alil forward in somethings, then I watched another video, oh wow I love you and the messages you bring, you are indeed awesome, PTL. From Suzi Melbourne Australia xx
Powerful 🙌❤️
Thank you Lord. Take care of yourself
Lisa thank you for your message… I know what It is like to have been affected by this. Taking a minute to check in with HS amidst the‘voices’.
Thank you Jesus 🙏 Amen
Amen!
thank you Lord that I am learning ❤❤❤ your prayer Set a new seed in my heart. amen. thank you Jesus, holy spirit
Lisa is beautiful inside and out.
This video sister Lisa harper shows me that I can be exposed for my past sins and my sins debt that has already paid for sincerely yours Mrs Amber m Powell-Mccutchen
If you are not hurting someone else..you are Free to Go! 😊❤
I observe tens of thousands of people manipulated online by self-proclaimed prophetics who are dark empaths. They know exactly what to say to appeal to believers who hang on to their every word because it gives them hope, though false, unbeknownst to them. They make money with their books, courses and speaking in churches. So many who are being subjected to trials & tribulations turn to these wolves in sheep's clothing as a means of coping-- month after month, year after year, and decade after decade they do not see the so-called 'prophecies' come to pass in their own lives but they still don't question the person they follow or they forget the claims but keep seeking out that counterfeit comfort the soothsaying gives them in the moments they read the claims. What's even more disconcerting is when you see reputable Christian public leaders follow them on social media and wonder why these leaders who are supposedly spiritually mature do not discern the wolves.
Amen🙏
This is a word, ‘’wrong counsel’’. Thank you ladies
Christian counseling can be good but so can secular counseling. You can also be manipulated by both. Follow the Holy Spirit and trust that your Heavenly Father will take care of you and get you where you need to be, when you need to be there❤
Amen
Ive learned that i have to be careful who to talk to because it will be used against you . .... Because of my spiritual issues ive been asked some terrible questions .... By the people ive confided in the most .
What a beautiful woman!
I've been struggling with the same questions I'm really misunderstand and not accepted bu many churches because I've suffered abuse most of my life
Amen 🙏
🤍Yes & Amen🕊
Amen ❤
Pastor DeeDee so kindly said - people know better than to TRY her with the manipulation :)
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The person who told her to step down, was the one who was struggling and was fearful herself!
Amen 🙏🏻💕
wow!!!!! that's right Jesus doesn't use shame as a motivational tool
People in the Church have a “way” of talking to single Christian ladies by pressing our buttons and making us doubt our walk with the Lord. And they are way too interested in how we manage our money as an example. I notice that they don’t do this to the married ladies.
IN JESUS NAME AMEN AMEN AND AMEN AMEN HALLELUJAH HALLELUJAH ✝️🙌🕊💯♥️
My God my God I feel convicted down in my heart for Hurt people like my cousins and my sister and brother and let others manipulate me let them do. I still to this day need help to control my attitude and urges that to don't go to let lucifer and satan and the 😈 to manipulate in doing things I shouldn't have done. Sometimes I wonder if God has forgive me for my past sins.but he loves me. In the romans 5:8 says we were yet or still Christ died for us. Sincerely yours Mrs Amber m Powell-Mccutchen
I was in a catholic church once where a lady said to me, “oh you must be from a different church because of the way you are dressed.” … somehow that did not sound biblical to me.
God I trust you to change my situation please
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