Cherry Audio GX-80 // How to Program a 1970's Classic // a CS-80 plus extras from the GX-1
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- Learn how to program this old thing! A walkthrough and demo of the main parameters of the GX80 from Cherry Audio. Although it's got a fair few esoteric and unique functions, and looks a bit impenetrable at first, its got the same fundamental building blocks as most subtractive synths... plus a few rather mental extras like additional BP on an extra sawtooth and a HP on an additional pulse routing.
Oh..and the there's a full synth voice per 'oscillator' with its own VCF and VCA and velocity/aftertouch settings. ... and there's 4 of them per voice.
.. lots of fun to be had here.. so dig in.
/ starskycarr
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• From The Studio
0:00 what is it?
2:35 interface
4:05 oscillators
7:13 unison
8:30 filters
9:31 filter envelope
11:30 synth bass
12:06 VCA
12:48 pan
13:40 4 oscillator patch
15:13 aftertouch and velocity
16:38 1 voice 2 sounds
17:40 some pads
18:19 ring mod
19:30 Sub Oscillator *it's an LFO
20:18 Feet *interval tuning
20:45 tone selectors
21:21 keyboard as mod source
21:47 effects
23:45 final thoughts
#cherryaudio #gx80 #review
For those who don't know, the reason why the sine wave doesn't go through the filters btw is because they are simply pure tones and you cannot filter them - only attenuate them. Unlike the other wave types :).
Actually, the GX-1 included the sine wave back in the oscillator section. It was moved to post-filter position with the CS-80 which is where we kept it because that was a good idea.
@@mrbmodules2938 I was talking about the CS-80 specifically. Even still, it hardly matters because the fact remains, you cannot filter sine waves, only attenuate them.
Can't wait for Starsky's comparison with the real thing
Haha… you might be waiting a while!
@@StarskyCarr surprised you haven’t picked up Deckard Dream
well technically TWO real things..lol
Which one lol. There's two and both ridiculously expensive
@@StarskyCarr hehe
The sounds are out of this world. It's not just another Synth!!
Some hardware people say that nowadays you can find hardware and software sounding nearly identical, comparing basic waveforms and (even) filters. But the real difference shows up in sequences and transitions. The way oscs, filters and modulators interact to each other.
I'm not experienced with hardware, so I can't tell, but nonetheless, I think that It makes sense.
Jeesus! Am I the 1st to see this? Cannot wait for next Tuesday! This looks great.
How did you comment 6 days ago to a video released today? :)
@@nilsvanderplancken9824
Simple.. A time traveler...
I think the way the filter envelope works is quite interesting. It means that the voltage never overshoots the boundaries of the cutoff range, in contrast to synths that add the envelope to the cutoff frequency by summing. I can't help wondering whether it kind of helps to make more consistent movement of the filter timbre...
Maybe … took me a while to work out exactly what was going on tbh 😂 it’s ok sort of knowing but once you try to explain it - you realise you know ish… but explaining a another thing!
Yes thank you!
what would be the best way/best controller keyboard options towards having two USB/MIDI keyboards controlling the GX-80? To get a little closer to having a GX-1 clone (or dual manual CS-80).
And it weighs less than 250 pounds as well!
Make that 850 pounds since it emulates the much heavier GX1.
7:58 Its a great looking VST soft sythersizor however filter sweep are something I prefer to do with a 2 band EQ and its pretty easy to do and not loose any bass.
Like it shows here you can do the same with this which is pretty unique. Putting this in here as some folks read comments rather than watch the video and make assumptions based on what they read rather than watch actually demo’d.
@@StarskyCarr I watched the video actually, I'm just saying I prefer to use a 2 band EQ separate device to do filter sweeps.
@@HOLLASOUNDS haha not saying you didn’t watch it … just that others will read the comments and make assumptions 👍
I'm looking forward to hooking this up to my Hydrasynth keyboard... I suppose there will be some way of connecting the HS ribbon via MIDI too. At least I hope so!
Yeah it works on the pitch bend - like the CS80. Good fun 😃
So, no acid lines. LMAO! This thing is a soundtrack beast.
Awesome! I have a Hydrasynth deluxe and was playing with the ribbon and the demo of the GX80. It doesn’t seem to be able to map the ribbon through, did I understand you were able to do that?
It o my maps to the pitch bend as far as I can tell … hopefully there’ll be an update to assign it to anything.
@@StarskyCarr Thank you. If you can give any details about that it would be great. It does not seem to map to pitch bend for me.
There are a couple things that can be done here. 1) for typical cs80 ribbon pitch, turn on ribbon pitch bend send in the hydrasynth system settings. 2) if you want to send other modulations to software, you can assign ribbon so send any midi cc you wish using the hydrasynth mod matrix ribbon -> midiCC
I'd like to hear a comparison between this Cherry Audio plug-in and the Arturia one.
Sounds like earlier versions of the Arturia. Newest update of the CS-80 V sounds way better, though.
Had to be asked
@@79Glitch Exactly. To me it's just a little better than the V3 but doesn't trump the V4. However, it's great in it's own way as the GX factor makes it so.
It’s amazing the frequency Cherry audio is able to release these plug ins for such a small group of devs.
I don't think any existing simulation is adequately close. In fact, I consider them all equally ordinary and not worth fighting over. Just pick one and move on. But in my opinion none of them really pass the arbitrary threshold of convincingness to me.
I'd like to see u-he, GForce, Synapse, TAL, Softube, or XILS-lab do an emulation.
You forgot about the master resonance and cutoff. You can increase the resonance quite a bit through the master section of the synth. It gets absolutely beautiful with higher resonance but never self oscillating
I showed it at some point and mention it would be nice if it could control all voices 1-4. Watch again… it’s in there.
@@StarskyCarr no you forgot about it several times before you mentioned it. You said “this is the most acid you are going to get with this synth” ” this is the most resonance it will get” etc etc, all while the master resonance is set at its lowest…
@@INeedsMoneys you're quite right. I didn't mention it before I mentioned it. How silly of me 🤣 But I was absolutely correct in that you'll never get self oscillating highly resonant sounds from this no matter how much you crank every resonance setting up. It's just not that sort of synth. If you can get it to self oscillate please tell me how as I'm at a loss.
@@StarskyCarr read my first comment again mate....
@@INeedsMoneys oh yeah. Haha.. but I still didn’t forget it. And you’ll still wont get squelchy acid tones. So …I didn’t go into detail about the extra controls, only briefly mentioned them. This is a how to use it video… and I think it demos how to use it.
cool! does someone know if you can assign that ribbon to a midi controller like the arturia keystep 37?
It’s set to pitch bend I think it’s cc7 I’ve not found how to assign to others if it’s possible. So you can use the pitchbend of the keystep or assign one of the knobs to cc7
A big part of the CS80 were the preset buttons, most of them were instantly usable, and Vangelis made great use of mixing and matching them. The famous Blade Runner brass sound is widely thought to be Brass 1 & 2 in a 50% mix.
So in theory, you should not need to use up 4 layers, and instead simply press New, and play with the built in preset buttons, as Vangelis did, add a lush reverb, and have instant Blade Runner sounds. But I'm not too sure this aspect is represented well here...
Nice info.. thanks.
Yep, saw a vídeo were that test was made with poor results from Gx80, sadly not accurate at all
Isn't it actually 4 oscillators? There's an Upper and Lower, with 2 oscillators on each layer.
Ah... you mentioned it a minute after I typed this. ;)
Is this the same company that made dexed? Something very similar looking here
Dude... think before you comment. Dexed is free and has no company. This is not, and its by Cherry.
It would be nice to include the freeware Arminator2 in a future plugin shootout. Unfortunately it needs jBridge because its written in 32 bits.
Sorry, that’s not something I’ll be looking at. I try to keep the computers as free from extra stuff as possible. Plus additional steps vastly reduces the number of users willing to use the software.
@@StarskyCarr @Yo's Projects I still keep a version of Studio One version 3 installed just for the sake of having 32 bit plugins especially dedicated for the Arminator. Cherry Audio is great and I dig the Mercury 4 but I will be saving my 60 bucks this time. To my ears there is something about the Arminator that has a lo fi quality without any harsh brightness that emulates the nostalgia of that Analog era a little more!
Honestly, without the hardware to compare to, it's not apples to apples. All you can really determine is if there's any extreme outliers. Until any serious competition joins the fray (Cherry and Arturia don't have the same track record as u-he, GForce or Softube), I consider all existing attempts equally average. Not bad mind you, you can make them work if you put in effort, but not super close either.
@@svendsgaard1 You might be interested to know that Bitwig runs 32-bit plugins natively, including Arminator. I agree that Arminator is something special.
Hey Starsky - Not heard of the GX although given the price, probably not even in my sphere of recognition. Would love to see a comparison between this and the Arturia CS-80 (which I have) to decide whether it's worth adding... 👍
Understand. This synth sounds incredibly better than Arturia’s. If you demo it, you will buy it guaranteed.
I have the Arturia CS-80 both the V3 and V4. (The V4 is a beast IMHO). I've been playing with the GX all night. The GX factor does make it a little different. Not better, not worse. So far, I think it's a HAIR thinner in some areas and a little 'murkier' in the filters? The Arturia is much creamier and closer to the original sound of the CS-80. The presets are slightly better in the Arturia as well. However, the GX is great. And I can see using the two together. Definitely, a welcome addition to my collection. And for a 1/3 of the price? It's worth it to me. I'd say try the demo. ✌
@@houdinididiit Thank you, that's extremely helpful 👍
@@russ254 😄 True. It wasn't so much about the accuracy, more about the overall sound and features. I'm going to stick with my Arturia V3 and V4 😊
@@IanWaugh You're welcome ✌
A respectable 18:50 before you say his name. It's going to be hard to beat. Unless I missed it in the intro or something.
Haha..
thanks Starsky? was scrating my head? how to switch the fx on, and stuff, thought that panel was faulty.
damn sliders' not moving duh doughnuts
Haha me too at first!
And the price is :)
Your section on "Feet" doesn't quite name the pitches correctly! Assuming a C1 as the fundamental note at 16', all the shorter feet lengths produce the harmonic series in order. So 8' gives you C2 (one octave higher), then G2, C3, E3, G3, Bb3 and finally C4 (the 2' setting, three octaves higher).
Yeah … i was guessing for a bit there! I thought I’d got them right as I played them but should’ve checked!
@@StarskyCarr The "curse" of having perfect pitch! 🙂
@@markwarmanmd haha you have my sympathy my nephew and a friend have perfect pitch… it would drive me nuts!
Think the GX-1 was the keyboard they used in Close Encounters. So yes. Very 'spacey'.
Arp 2500
@@nilsvanderplancken9824 Yeah. I stand corrected. It was definitely used in a space or futuristic film though. It's gonna bug me till I work it out now. >.
@@russ254 Flint sprinter
I'm sorry. This does not sound like a CS-80. I played one and got to know it's sound very well. The ring mod sounds horrendous. I mean absolutely horrendous. For anyone who knows the CS-80 you know how beautiful and pure it sounds (The best on any synth period). This plugin has some elements of a real CS-80 but it sounds more or less like a tepid, muddy imitation of the original.
True. That goes for most of CA‘s emulations. They‘re rather inspirations, in particular the Elka-X does not even remotely sound like a Synthax. But well… for the price, it‘s a really nice usable synth.
I found The software version of cs80s is a bit dull and boring - Software emulations of old classic equipment in any arena is a touch sketchy for obvious reasons. But I suppose it helps sales -
Honestly? Sounds like a 59$ plugin. And that is what you get.
Thankfully I didn’t make it sound like a $10 plug-in 😂 I’m not trying to demo the sounds here though - just how to use the basic functions.
I guess I'm the only one that dislikes it. The elka is better
I wonder if we need to crank the "Q" quality to the max. The default is basic quality. But... then our poor CPU's may get beaten up and start the crackling sounds!!! I have the Elka-X and agree that it is a nice soft-synth. Cherry did a good job with "Sines" too. Not so sure on this GX-80 - mainly as I used to have a CS70M back in the day and I just don't actually hear the "CS" sound as I remember it within this softsynth (or any other CS software)..
For some reason, all of Cherry's plugins feel uninspiring and samey or 'plastic' to me. It's a feeling similar to as if they were all just Reaktor ensembles using the same stock oscillators and filters, just configured differently. Perhaps all their plugins just use the same Voltage Modular system under the hood..... You CAN get some useful sounds out of them, but so many of the presets fail to inspire me. I just flip and flip, and ultimately switch to another brand of plugins and instantly feel better.
I did wonder this when they first started bringing out so many emulations. I put them up against my originals and was surprised to find each model had it’s own character.