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  • Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
  • This deck has all the lands fit to print, and a couple of pieces of power to boot - let's see how it does!
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  • @mattdespard6576
    @mattdespard6576 Місяць тому +188

    If you're passing a late scapeshift in a dedicated lands deck, it's probably time to take it out of the cube

    • @MasterworkLeathercraft
      @MasterworkLeathercraft Місяць тому +35

      Trying to draft the Valakut deck and passing on Scapeshift was definitely a choice

    • @gymbro_fitness
      @gymbro_fitness Місяць тому +5

      It’s out of the cube now

    • @nichodemus10
      @nichodemus10 Місяць тому +4

      While this statement is pretty close, if shape-shift is in a pack he gets two cards out of he does get it on the wheel. It is possible that it is something you are supposed to wheel and he didn't get the opportunity. (But it does seem like it is good to have it out)

    • @cesarramon4636
      @cesarramon4636 Місяць тому

      .

  • @alexhopewell449
    @alexhopewell449 Місяць тому +64

    Wake up, babe. LSV is back on lands.

  • @Billyofcourse
    @Billyofcourse Місяць тому +63

    this deck really needed the scapeshift and/or depths combo to be able to actually kill the opponents. I feel like LSV still drafts and plays like he'll have time to get there eventually with whatever ham sandwich wincon he's using instead of taking actual win cons. The cube simply doesn't durdle that much anymore.

    • @user-bd2kx6yp4g
      @user-bd2kx6yp4g Місяць тому +4

      Lmao ham sandwich wincon got me

    • @Anusien
      @Anusien Місяць тому +2

      I think he needed one more big thing. It didn’t have to be lands based; a Timetwister or a Fractured Identity or a Pest Infestation would work too.

    • @thegreatmajora13
      @thegreatmajora13 Місяць тому +1

      @@Anusien literally any draw seven probably would have made this deck purr. He had the setup for it but just never saw one once he got the hullbreacher. That might have just been because the person that passed him the hullbreacher did his best to cut them, potentially, but he also might have just gotten unlucky.

    • @dm1004
      @dm1004 Місяць тому +5

      ​@Anusien primeval titan, inferno titan, etc. But let's take land grant and lumberjack ...

    • @artemi7
      @artemi7 Місяць тому +1

      I still refuse to belive that Lumberjack is better then some of the other picks here.

  • @MatthewForsytheHi
    @MatthewForsytheHi Місяць тому +8

    Strip, Crucible and Fastbond are my favorite 3 cards to see in a thumbnail!

    • @LucianDevine
      @LucianDevine Місяць тому

      With Mox Sapphire in the background!

  • @ErikvandeKamp
    @ErikvandeKamp Місяць тому +16

    These combo’s that don’t win you the game right away are too much of a liability in modern vintage cube sadly. Luis just gets out-good-carded every draft.

    • @SpiRit1290
      @SpiRit1290 Місяць тому +3

      Kinda this version cubes fault tho. Valakut, Hogak obviously almost always fail. + all the other underpowered stuff. Lets hope next version of cube will be better and more entertaining as its result.

    • @brianh5844
      @brianh5844 Місяць тому

      @@SpiRit1290 I think if you want to make lands or self-mill work you need to just put the broken dredge cards in there. If it's good enough for vintage constructed, it's good enough for cube (actually don't know if it's still good enough for vintage since I don't follow the format but it was a menace back when they had the VSL going).

  • @anthonyjs8048
    @anthonyjs8048 Місяць тому +9

    Lands is definitely one of my favorite archetypes, and favorite card type. Excited for this one!

  • @mikegallo2143
    @mikegallo2143 Місяць тому +2

    My eyes almost popped out of my head when I saw the fastbond

  • @theloneponderer
    @theloneponderer Місяць тому +1

    I feel like there was a better line at 50:00. Shifting Woodland doesn't need to tap to activate its ability, so you could tap it to play the Ignoble Hierarch, then pay 4 and activate the Woodland to become a tapped copy of Gut. Then attack with your Knight and Golos, and sacrifice the Hierarch to Gut's ability, leaving you with three lethal attackers, one of which has Menace. That way even if they have 1 removal spell they have to use it on the Skeleton.
    Edit: Though of course this still loses to Kolaghan's Command

  • @tinadavies8712
    @tinadavies8712 Місяць тому +8

    I really thought you should have taken Primeval Titan over the triome land

  • @brandonowen1069
    @brandonowen1069 Місяць тому +1

    The turn you played defiler to kill the dack, you could have killed the creature, fanatic taps for 4 because of the defiler, turn the shifting woodlands into a cobra, and attack dack for 2.

  • @nik6494
    @nik6494 Місяць тому +2

    i think ring was arguably better than mana crypt in this deck

    • @fjordojustice
      @fjordojustice Місяць тому

      Maybe, but even so you can't really ever pass power in team drafts. It's too disastrous to give the opposing team a free mana crypt, even if this clearly wasn't the best mana crypt deck.

  • @MasterworkLeathercraft
    @MasterworkLeathercraft Місяць тому +18

    >Plays effectively 20 lands
    >Floods out

    • @anthonyjs8048
      @anthonyjs8048 Місяць тому +7

      i feel like he usually runs a land or two too many in vintage cube, but I say that knowing he's far better at this than I am.

    • @MasterworkLeathercraft
      @MasterworkLeathercraft Місяць тому +1

      @@anthonyjs8048 I think the land grant was just a step too far, would have been so much better as any other spell

    • @Anusien
      @Anusien Місяць тому +1

      He needed one more big payoff for having lots of mana, but he didn’t manage to draft one.

    • @treycuret
      @treycuret Місяць тому +2

      Games like Exploration + Tireless Tracker show the power the deck had. It just needed The One Ring or some other method to convert mana into cards (even Tireless Tracker as a mana dump warped the game, and it's not particularly powerful).

  • @tristanishappy1145
    @tristanishappy1145 Місяць тому +2

    Have you ever thought about using the Conspiracy cards that affect the draft itself in the Vintage Cube? Or making a version of the Vintage Cube with some of those Conspiracy cards?

    • @jsweatisdead
      @jsweatisdead Місяць тому

      Those cards are not on magic online iirc. Conspiracy and Conspiracy: Take the Crown were never released in full on magic online

  • @giancarlocafaro6734
    @giancarlocafaro6734 Місяць тому +2

    I love reading comments before the draft cause you’ll get some that kind of convince you they know what they are talking about but then you watch the draft and realize how ridiculous it is to suggest taking the one ring over mana crypt, inti over a ferchland, a titan that wasn’t even in the pack over lumberjack. Like do these people even know how draft works lol? So many people thinking they know more and give these go awful takes. Pretty wild

    • @jamesgreenwood1703
      @jamesgreenwood1703 Місяць тому

      It really is wild ain’t it? Like ofc there are decisions that hindsight are better, but you can’t draft like you are going to pull exactly what you pull and then glue the rest together

  • @lordjaraxxus3864
    @lordjaraxxus3864 Місяць тому +1

    LSV putting all mana and no win cons in the deck wondering why he draws lands

  • @sylvancarotid3717
    @sylvancarotid3717 Місяць тому +1

    Waiting for that Valakut has me on the edge of my seat. Crossing my fingers.

  • @kithkindeck
    @kithkindeck Місяць тому

    Lands without draw 7s is rough. As it stands, you have 29 mana\land synergy cards, two crucible effects and a counterspell. A lot of your cards are horribad topdecks and you don't have a way to dig
    eload barring surveiling from the graveyard with a crucible+knight (though at that point the engine is online and you should be winning). Bit of a rough draft, I think the deck was wide open but the best parts of the lands deck (draw sevens and tutors) being evergreen means they were either not opened or poached.

  • @Kendrick-dz6mp
    @Kendrick-dz6mp Місяць тому +5

    It must be frustrating for Luis to have to call upon the talent of a younger and more powerful Magus, but alas, the streak will not end until he appears...
    OOKA CHUKA OOKA CHOKA
    We summon the chosen one, The redeemer himself. The mean green mana dork machine... BbbKkkk

    • @peisenxu952
      @peisenxu952 Місяць тому +2

      I hear he was the winner of several 64 player drafts

  • @eentosrs
    @eentosrs Місяць тому +1

    ahhh yes, the classical "optimising stripmine" draft

  • @Quicknick777
    @Quicknick777 Місяць тому +1

    I thought we were back with the Ws... But the hits keep on coming

  • @SP-ik6cc
    @SP-ik6cc Місяць тому +1

    Didnt even acknowledge the Bristly Bill

    • @LucianDevine
      @LucianDevine Місяць тому

      Likely a case of not wanting to pass prolly a 9/10-10/10 Mana Crypt to an opponent when you have no idea where the Bill will end up if you take the Crypt.

  • @brianh5844
    @brianh5844 Місяць тому +1

    I'm going to comment before watching the gameplay that this seems like the perfect example of why LSV isn't winning as often as he used to: clearly prioritizing fun and entertainment value over maximizing win% with a lot of these picks. From the get go, strip mine into Inti feels stronger than strip into fetch. I think if you want to maximize win rate you should try to get your strip mine in an aggro deck if possible. There's nothing wrong with taking the more fun route, and it will make for an entertaining video, but a part of me misses the spikier LSV. With crypt and sapphire, any kind of semi-aggressive deck that puts threats on the board quickly would have probably been better than where we ended up, and I feel like that's often the case when LSV gets multiple power.
    In the category of "card LSV likes a lot which gets taken over card LSV loses to but rarely takes," The one that stood out the most was Oko, which we took hullbreacher over. Hullbreacher is cool when it works out, and it's a fine card (though mostly a SB card if you don't have good interactions), but my guess is just putting Oko in your green deck will win more games of cube. It's boring, but it is quite effective, and technically we could turn 1 it, but turn 2 would happen a lot.
    I'll report back after the games to see if my prediction holds up. I will say, I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out regardless, lands is fun.
    edit: well, that first game was certainly a demonstration. Opponent just played a bunch of individually powerful cards and steamrolled LSV's attempt to get a linear strategy going. Oko showed off why it's such a dumb card: LSV just didn't have any outs because it invalidated any potential combos. Golos could have been cool, but nope. Same with Dryad, excavator, and tireless tracker.
    edit #2: Well, hullbreacher showed why it's a dumb card too, so fair is fair.
    edit #3: Land Grant needs to go.

  • @Limkmc
    @Limkmc Місяць тому

    Crazy to see ponder and strictly better ponder in the same pack

    • @total_dk6517
      @total_dk6517 17 днів тому

      At 10:11? What card would you say is "strictly better Ponder"?

  • @henlohenlo689
    @henlohenlo689 Місяць тому

    probably my favorite cards is most of the cards i listed here but out of them i really like: violent ultimatum and casualties of war. they complement cheaper 1 drops like kird ape pretty well. keeps the opponents pinned to the ground. and makes the EARFQUAKE.
    gorillaz deck of my own, green red black(the deck can really make the earfquake):
    kird ape
    violent ultimatum
    ragavan, nimble pilferer
    army ants
    casualties of war
    dwarven blastminer
    wall of roots
    simian spirit guide
    abyssal persecutor
    gorilla shaman
    sideboard:
    shatterstorm(vs affinity)
    creeping corrosion(vs affinity)
    red elememental blast
    carpet of flowers
    boil
    damping sphere(vs the grape shot combo decks, a very fast combo deck)
    pithing needle(vs spike feeder combos, and grindstone combos)
    desecration demon

  • @JimBeanbag
    @JimBeanbag Місяць тому +8

    Anyone keeping track of LSV’s losing streak?

  • @ryanmatthews7405
    @ryanmatthews7405 Місяць тому +1

    I feel like Fire Covenant taunts LSV. It always wrecks him and yet it’s always in his packs to take and he never takes it.

  • @quarkraven
    @quarkraven Місяць тому

    some dece land synergies but few major threats in this lands deck. shame we didn't see a draw 7 or two for those Fast Bond and Hullbreacher cards.

  • @r2dezki
    @r2dezki Місяць тому

    Pretty much ended up with a bad lands deck because we didn't have any draw-7's.

  • @Mebimuffo
    @Mebimuffo Місяць тому

    4v4 vintage cube on lands, everything is right with the world!

  • @goldcobraarima9819
    @goldcobraarima9819 Місяць тому

    Love Lands!

  • @BegravelseinBrussels
    @BegravelseinBrussels Місяць тому

    Fun deck, sad we didn't get the Ws to go with it.

  • @Centuari
    @Centuari Місяць тому +4

    Day 783 of losing with sweet decks

  • @Nathan-wq6uj
    @Nathan-wq6uj Місяць тому

    2:45 Joolz, Tireless Pomeranian

  • @LucianDevine
    @LucianDevine Місяць тому

    Posting before watching. That thumbnail is HORRIFYING!

  • @notsure7813
    @notsure7813 Місяць тому +7

    Did LSV really start Strip Mine into Arid Mesa then proceed to pass a bunch of good white cards and never really seriously considering drafting white aggro?

    • @glmcg132
      @glmcg132 Місяць тому +6

      Was thinking that too. But lets be honest this is way more fun

    • @alexhopewell449
      @alexhopewell449 Місяць тому

      Even had he stuck with lands theme, I still think Ocelot Pride is the pick over Golos.

    • @Anusien
      @Anusien Місяць тому +1

      He was planning to wheel Crucible

    • @treycuret
      @treycuret Місяць тому

      P1P3 had nothing but Ramunap, the first signal is P1P4 with a solid WW card in a pack that also contains Prismatic Omen to plan to wheel. The lands deck dream was already alive, mono white aggro is going to need a better signal earlier than P4 single solid white card in pacm, P5 single decent white card in pack, P6 Ocelot as only white in pack (imo, and I know nothing).
      Rewatching this back, where are the "bunch of good white cards" you're talking about? It's a single middle of the road white card in every pack beginning on P4 😂

    • @dr.hairbrain1486
      @dr.hairbrain1486 Місяць тому

      @@glmcg132fun is losing every match? Mmmmk

  • @pascal6871
    @pascal6871 Місяць тому

    in a deck with this much mana and such a slow game plan, is it ever the one ring over crypt ?

    • @treycuret
      @treycuret Місяць тому

      He had a Lumberjack, Cobra, and Exploration at P2P1.
      No shot you hand your opponent's team power in that spot.

  • @paulallison3974
    @paulallison3974 Місяць тому

    If it wasn't a team draft do you not take sapphire?....reviewing that pack..nah probably still take it.... that was some unnecessary roughness :/ looking forward to the next one.

    • @treycuret
      @treycuret Місяць тому

      I love watching this with power because there's nothing like it. My synergistic Johnny heart always sinks when potentially powerful cards/synergies are passed because the team format punishes not taking every piece of power you see. Kinda makes the picks less interesting sometimes.

    • @LucianDevine
      @LucianDevine Місяць тому

      Yeah, I had to look back, but what card would you possibly take for a Lands deck that is better than a Mox? Misty Rainforest?

  • @Pandercolour
    @Pandercolour Місяць тому +1

    thank god it's not a poopy bloomburrow video

  • @Americanfury1
    @Americanfury1 Місяць тому

    video seems blurrier than normal

  • @aetherllama8398
    @aetherllama8398 Місяць тому +1

    Such a cool deck but it needs some top end. Passed two titans, Scapeshift, and Nissa.

  • @tornadoeye
    @tornadoeye Місяць тому +1

    Are there any rules regarding keeping track of cards in the draft? In theory you could know almost exactly what cards every opponent is playing

    • @jacobfox4379
      @jacobfox4379 Місяць тому +1

      Trying to figure out who took which cards and responding to that information is one of the major skill tests in drafting.

    • @tornadoeye
      @tornadoeye Місяць тому +1

      @@jacobfox4379 For sure, but before the first match the team communicate and they try to figure the opponents' decks. I would expect there are limits to that

    • @7dylanmoore
      @7dylanmoore Місяць тому +1

      @@tornadoeye My understanding is that drafts in the server you are not allowed to communicate 'during' the draft. You have some time limits as well so you can't really rebuild the entire draft before round 1 even if everyone took perfect notes. But you can figure out some of the high priority cards.
      If you pass Bowmasters and then your teammate doesn't see it, that is something you could talk about before the round, but trying to figure out an entire deck takes too much time. I do think you can get a decent idea of who is playing what when everyone is an experienced drafter, but I've never taken that much time cause I think most people just want to play.

    • @LucianDevine
      @LucianDevine Місяць тому

      They do that with key cards, letting them know that they passed X, and if Y teammate didn't see it, Z person could have it in deck. They just don't do it with all the cards. They also take screenshots of the cards they see from match 1, letting their teammates know what they're up against.

    • @LucianDevine
      @LucianDevine Місяць тому

      @@7dylanmoore Yeah, they only track high priority cards that they have to pass, not entire packs, likely in part due to the time it would take in real time, and not wanting to SS every pack everyone has and reverse engineer 42/45 cards each opponent has. The missing 3 are of course the first picks that nobody else sees.

  • @exodusmtg44
    @exodusmtg44 Місяць тому

    You Love 2 See it....

  • @irifhir
    @irifhir Місяць тому

    C'mon youtube! You're 4 seconds late, geez.

  • @user-mf4sc8im8y
    @user-mf4sc8im8y Місяць тому

    Looks like you’re still running cold . I’m sorry

  • @bricelory9534
    @bricelory9534 Місяць тому +1

    If this draft fails, it might be time to reconsider the Lands package... This seems like the nuts Lands draft...excited to see how it turns out.

    • @josephbrown4367
      @josephbrown4367 Місяць тому +3

      Really needed wheels and some high CMC cards to pay off for having lands. Did have some combos but never really got them going.

    • @aidanchutkan8662
      @aidanchutkan8662 Місяць тому +6

      This was not the nuts lands package. Passed scapeshift for some reason, couldn’t take stage/depths, no big creatures to ramp into, no Bristly Bill, no Titania. All the lands but no way to win.

    • @FirstLast-dh8ks
      @FirstLast-dh8ks Місяць тому

      yes and no, it wasn't balanced and he got the wrong kind of power.
      An aspect of the deck outside of combo's is great mana but it was almost pointless seeing as he had like 1 card of every color outside of green and they weren't premium cards.
      Maybe he went full Landtard

    • @anthonyjs8048
      @anthonyjs8048 Місяць тому

      @@aidanchutkan8662 Strip/waste fastbond/exploration crucible/ramunap. but yea, needed more, like titania, some wheels to go with the hullbreacher, or scapeshift

    • @bricelory9534
      @bricelory9534 Місяць тому

      ​@@aidanchutkan8662 fair enough. But even without a wincon, the package ended up not seeming like it did much of anything.
      Ultimately, I'm not a Lands believer, and it really seems like Valakut and entourage is a stinker in this Cube.
      I just don't see how this competes or even interacts with generic good stuff.

  • @mulldrifterz6469
    @mulldrifterz6469 Місяць тому +1

    I think Chromatic Star is getting vastly undervalued in the cube. Hallowed Fountain is good, but even with a fetch I don't think it was the pick over Star. Star goes in so many decks and is always good, moreso than Fountain.

  • @nolifeSnorlax
    @nolifeSnorlax Місяць тому

    You went from one pack saying: we’re almost a workshop deck - to: we’re not a channel deck. How do you figure that logic?

    • @bricelory9534
      @bricelory9534 Місяць тому

      Workshop works over multiple turns, so it works best with multiple mid-range artifacts - some which may be drawn over multiple turns.
      For Channel to be good in a similar deck, you need to cast multiple things in a single turn, and since many of those artifacts also have colored mana, you'd not only need the mana for Channel but also for the colored mana, meaning you'd already have a lot of mana on board before Channel is basically a bad Cabal Ritual.
      Channel is best with a single big colorless mana sink rather than multiple small ones.

    • @bricelory9534
      @bricelory9534 Місяць тому

      Workshop works best with medium artifacts over multiple turns, while Channel can only work on one turn. So if you have multiple medium sized cards like LSV did, you'd have to have multiple of them in hand before Channel starts being worth the deck slot. Not to mention several of his Workshop cards had colored mana as well, meaning you have to have the mana to cast Channel as well as lands in play to produce the colored mana. For example, for Chaos Defiler, you still have to pay BR, so with Channel, the cost shifts from 3BR to GGBR+Channel+1 Life. And you'd have to have 5-6 mana sources already in play if you want to play Channel and cheat out 2-3 spells, meaning it doesn't really speed you up much.

  • @damanstover2035
    @damanstover2035 Місяць тому +4

    Day 7 of the people(me) demanding more BK(winner of MULTIPLE 64 PLAYER CUBE DRAFTS)

  • @ianthopson33
    @ianthopson33 Місяць тому

    First

  • @JackD1615
    @JackD1615 Місяць тому

    Cards like Satyr Wayfinder and Rumble I absolutely despise in cube. You're only ever running one copy of any individual card and milling one of your answers/combo pieces/threats is just a terrible feeling.

    • @aidanchutkan8662
      @aidanchutkan8662 Місяць тому +1

      This is a bad way to look at it. If your deck has any way of using cards in the graveyard then these gain you a lot of resources. If you mill the card you need sure that sucks, but there was always the possibility you just didn’t draw it.

    • @JackD1615
      @JackD1615 Місяць тому

      @@aidanchutkan8662 I know the synergy it can have, but i don't like it