Holy smokes, this video did a LOT better than I thought it would esp. since the channel is very much still growing. I'm glad there's an audience for this type of content and I'll certainly be making more in the future (I already have some ideas cooking) but just want to note that as of right now esp for newer subs that it's going to be more the exception than the rule as far as content goes on the channel. That being said the appetite is clearly there so I might have to effort the next one sooner than I thought!
I can't imagine the amount of research that went into making this video, but the delivery was really on point and really easy to digest. Not only that, great work on the editing giving visual aids and transitions for pretty much every single point.
I'll be honest, I don't really like Commander content. I came in with an open mind after reading your channel description and this was a great video! There's not really a lot of history of competitive Magic stuff out there so I look forward to more.
LOL, ah early MTG arguments. I remember drawing a game because one card said I can do something, and another card said I can't. I was such an annoying kid sometimes!
Nadu ticks literally every single box for a ban-worthy card: Extremely heavily played (x), warps the meta around itself (x), strong combo card (x) - in a resilient shell (x), strong card even without the combo (x), repetitive and/or annoying play pattern (double x), causes tournament issues due to monopolizing too much game clock (x). They will ban this card once the Hasbro suits are sure that all boxes of MM3 have been sold and the impact on the secondary market is considered not too heavy anymore.
@@Alecationsthat's not the most important ban criteria. Being unanswerable doesn't even necessarily make a card good, though it is a force multiplier. It's a big deal in what makes a card overpowering, but not why cards get banned by WotC. The most impactful point that gets cards banned is when the card or the deck breaks tournament structure, this includes being impossible to track, making every round go to time without being slow play, or requiring people to bring a sticker deck just in case. A relatively close second is eviscerating player morale and attendance/viewership by not being fun while still being played, and a rules change or errata won't help, and the next set releasing doesn't look like it'll shake things up. Then, in distant third most important, is the card actually being powerful, and the ways that it is powerful. This is a big deal, because if the deck can't compete, nobody will play it, and it won't be a problem, but simply dominating the meta isn't necessarily a problem either.
Funny thing is, Nadu isn't even moving boxes because everyone knows it will be banned, so no one is buying a box or pack to get Nadu. It's also probably rule zeroed at a ton of commander tables. I'll bet the suits are saying don't ban it because they have no clue how Magic players think, but they are just ruining an RCQ season for no reason.
To quickly correct you, it wasn't 20% of Nadu decks at the PT, it was 25% as there was a 4 Color Variant Nadu list there too, Bant Nadu covered 20.2% of the field while the remaining 5.3% of the Nadu decks ran the 4 Color Variant.
@@vctrsigma I did know the number was higher but wanted to keep the same consistency as the graphic on screen I was referencing. This was actually a very intentional bit of scripting!
LOL no one has to know. It's funny because I know for a fact in the edit I swapped them because I thought they were in the wrong order. Should've trusted my instincts...
I find magic tournaments very hard to watch. they don't show you the decks being played and it seems like they just assume everyone is deep into magic and knows everything.
I haven't watched a tournament since like 2012, but they used to have really good commentary for the star city games tournaments that would explain every card being played. I wonder if there's anything like that today.
@@Josh-bn4ki ? Magic has over 20.000 different cards. How on earth can someone know all off them. Yes on tournaments there are mostly only metadecks but still if you cant read the text on the card you have no idea whats going on. Most sports are easy to understand just by watching it.
Really awesome video! I think what makes Nadu feel different is that it's not just wizards making mistakes like they did with Necro or Skullclamp, but it's like they are just throwing out insane cards and letting the community do the playtesting. We've had the incarnations, Ragavan, Thoracle, Jewled Lotus, The One Ring, Oko, and all of these things could have been fixed before they were released, but once they are in packs being sold, and it's much harder to solve problems because players have already built decks and these are the chase cards. It's not Nadu really, it's that there will always be another Nadu in a set or two.
By looking at the WotC actions in last months/years I wouldn't be surprised if they did that on purpose just to sell more packs. The amount of crazy strong, obviously problematic cards in recent sets is astounding. Not even mentioning the power creep. And the worst thing is that they aren't going to stop: yesterday the Bloomburrow trailer dropped and guess what? Even more strong, power creep cards that will make other cards completely obsolete due the sheer power.
@@N4chtigallhate to say it because I enjoyed 20+ years of 40-60 card format magic but these days the only format I even have decks built for are beginner teaching decks built from left over bulk commons and uncommons that I would teach new players with then donate the deck to them(haven't run into anyone lately but did give a few away like this.) and commander. It's a lot easier to swallow a powerful card effect if it's limited to one. And while you can make a commander deck hyper focus on 1 combo with tutors and everything, it's usually better to build a deck with multiple combos. That allows for a more dynamic game to play out since you may not be winning with the same win con every single time. Unlike 60 card magic where you build the deck around a couple Cards with 3-4 copies of your primary combo cards then engine support cards to protect, speed up the combo, or counter.
It’s a side effect of having absolutely no time to play test anything between sets. Nowadays, there’s a new product coming out every three weeks. There’s no time for r&d to properly playtest everything, and instead having to rush it out the door as quickly as possible. As long as this type of design continues, there will indeed be another Nadu every other set or so.
@@N4chtigall Yep, agree 100% It's just that it's such a short sighted way to push sales. The thing is, magic absolutely depends on old cards, nostalgia, and players brewing with their old favorites, because at the end of the day, magic is fundamentally worse at being a card game than most other card games. When they keep printing stupidly power crept newness, and as players keep having the outcome be, it's not as fun to play my old favorites anymore, it kinda ruins the one thing that magic truly has to it's advantage. Just the fact that other games have no land flood/screw and they balance in other ways that don't depend on sheer luck in every single game, that's why magic desperately needs to not disenfranchise current players and to not powercreep out the older cards.
I think this is all very interesting! It’s weird to think that a card was broken, not really just because it was good, but simply because of that old ruling…as opposed to Nadu only being absurdly good LOL
i just have you running in the background and you just casually bring up that you are THE VOICE I think of when i think of League Worlds. I love your mtg history lessons i cant wait for more ♥
Great video! If I may offer some feedback.The music was a little loud around 7:15 and it made it hard to hear you. I hope it on sound like a jerk, I’m excited to see more from you in the future.
Love these videos. I've watched the Enter the Battlefield documentary style videos multiple times as well as every Inside the Deck vid about MTG Pro Tour history. This stuff never gets old!
I can't believe I started watching your videos today and I kept thinking. "Man this guy sounds a lot like Pastrytime" and then I get to this video where it's like. Oh, he IS Pastrytime. Well that makes sense. Great videos I've been really enjoying them. Great quality just like your casting.
Love this channel for being able to see old pro tour footage i myself didn't start playing magic till 05 early 06 it was all me and my best friend had we went to a place called the last castle and I used to spend all day there and played lots of people I miss. Magic the gathering was a big part of my life I've played off and on over the years but alas never stayed with it after like 2017. Magic the gathering will and forever be my favorite TCG.
Im surprised you didn't mention Eldrazi Winter (PT Oath of the Gatewatch). 6 of the top 8 decks were some flavor of Eldrazi, and it was a standard set that sent things into chaos for that modern PT. Also it was a pretty stacked top 8.
I'm guilty of being less familiar with post 2010 PTs esp but excited to learn more about the more recent era. In fact now that you mention it maybe that PT would be a good video idea...
@HungryOnPlane it would be a cool comparison video just showcasing another format with a crazy oppressive archetype. If you do a video on it I'll definitely check it out!
I am a little surprised the video didn't mention Pro Tour Eldrazi given it getting 6/8. That said, I don't think the Pro Tour itself was that bad (my biggest complaint about it was actually that they banned Splinter Twin shortly before it, which I think was unwarranted and was only done to try to shake things up). Yes, Eldrazi dominated, but Eldrazi was a brand-new deck that was on no one's radar prior to the Pro Tour. A new deck doing so well was a surprise. The format might have been miserable after the Pro Tour (until they banned Eye of Ugin), but in the context of the Pro Tour itself there was some excitement over a new deck no one expected doing so well. And that's why I think Nadu was a lot worse. People knew about Nadu going into the Pro Tour and already didn't particularly like it, and then it dominated and made people dislike it even more.
@@HungryOnPlane Yeah eldrazi winter was my first thought when i saw the title. I think it’s even better for a video conceptually because the main card that lay dormant, eye of ugin, saw very low level of play before being unleashed, much like Eldrazi flavor wise, after the introduction of eldrazi spells with very low CMC such as thot knot, reality smasher, and endless one (who was just free 2/2’s first turn of the game and still a great top end card). That deck was brutal and hard to watch as the play patterns were rarely interesting but you knew that the deck winning was inevitable, again just like the eldrazi themselves. When BFZ first came out and the deck started popping up i wondered if wizards did it on purpose to just replicate the idea of how unbeatable and unrelenting the eldrazi were haha
Okay, being a massive LoL fan and hearing PastryTimes voice I was very confused. Awesome to learn that you’re also a huge MTG guy! Been absolutely obsessed with magic since first discovering it in 2011.
Oh I loved your casting in the LCS. I didn't expect banger magic content as well. Both the Block Constructed have been awesome.I gre up with the game but never knew much of the pro scene.
Heard the voice at the start and did a double take; when I heard the LCS shouts I couldn't believe that one of my favorite casters was doing a MTG video! Instant sub, hope you keep doing content like this!
This was awesome I love these type of videos and am subscribing because of it. I am not very interested in commander content but this and the one about the RG deck were awesome
I feel crazy Stockholm syndrome, but I really feel without Nadu this modern format would be real fun. One Ring is the next boogie man for basically giving a freebie turn and crazy card advantage for all the free spells, but I feel after that storm is easy to hate out, tron can also be hated. I feel after Nadu and One Ring the format could be reallllly fun.
One Ring is problematic though as no one is sure if/how it can be printed. Price has doubled in a year, and there’s no word from WOTC addressing this. UB could be the reserved list of the 2020s and “Beyond….”
@@kaipography yea. I wish IP wasn’t a problem because I find the card and flavor interesting. I also think it’d be cool to actually get it restricted for such a flavor win, but doubt they’d introduce that Pandora’s box to modern. I agree One Ring should probably go if reprint avenues cannot be figured out though.
@@kaipography its insane that people think you cant reprint the one ring. They can easily make a universes within version. They've done it before, and they'll do it again
@@vitaminstorm9429 it’s a very big, rich IP. It’s one of the hardest IP’s to come back to the table and renegotiate deals with amongst what they have used so far, so yes I do think in this instance it’s not as easy to just “reprint as universes within” copies. They also renegged the promise to do such after the stranger things secret lair / promising universes within versions of them.
14:10 - Man, you can see from the footage how exhausted Eskeland was by the end. He doesn't even look that excited to have won the Pro Tour, he's just like "thank Christ, I don't have to play against any more Rebels."
I got curoius when you showed the LoL clip in this and did more digging. Pastrytime I adored your Lol casting and am happy to follow you in this endeavor. I played Type 2 back when Rebels were a menace, and it was rough. I do agree that this PT deck archetype was indeed supremely dominate.
I just found your channel, and that intro really pulled me in, got an instant subscribe as that title screen rolled around. Looking forward to seeing more magic coverage from you!
Great videos just one tiny thing to add though, the blurry background image you use to showcase cards is so highly criminal on the eyes, bordering on felony assault. again love the vids!
Yeah I'm looking into better living holds/motion graphic stuff. Appreciate the feedback. I think the Glaciers art in particular was too eye-assaulting so might also just be picking more appropriate card art.
Great video, very informative and entertaining. Minor gripe: the audio levels between the music and your voice over are a little off. Sometimes the music just overpowers your words entirely, 6:3314:07. The fact that the background music is somewhat busy doesn't help.
I wonder why they had Nadu's ability cap to triggering twice per-turn Per Creature rather than twice-per-turn period? It'd be a little more awkward to format but WAY more sensible.
It would be far easier to word. Rather than say, "Creatures you control have etc etc etc..." Just say, "Whenevever a creature you control is targeted by a spell or ability, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put it into your hand. This ability only triggers twice per turn."
Great video! I don't watch the pro tour but I heard about the Nadu situation; so seeing a video pop up in my recommendations about a pro tour that's supposedly worse, definitely grabbed my attention and I'm glad I watched it. Keep up the great work, I look forward to more content ~
Oh shit, a professional MTG commentator has a YT channel? With news and old school documentaries? Informed and well-edited too!?!? Dang, gotta sub early.
Very well made video my guy. Hard disagree on this being the worst PT, though. PT Oath of the Gatewatch was such cancer to watch as the Eldrazi menace just ran everyone over. Also, not only was Nadu dominant in the field of its PT, it still WON the event. I’d still rank both of those PT’s higher than PT Rebels in terms of awfulness.
I thought you might have gone for Elves as they had 6/8 in the PT of Berlin. It was a deck that took long turns as Glimpse drew into chains of more elves, and games were decided on if you would accidentally deck out, or just hit your opponent faster than your opponent could set up.
Elves is REALLY interesting 'cause it was omega busted for sure but there's more interesting storylines about that PT I'd like to save for future things. Also any excuse to get the wild late 1990s ESPN coverage in a video LOL. Also I think the appetite for Elves in retrospect is a lot more palatable now whereas Rebels is universally terrible.
@@tylerberg4832While I would normally agree, Nadu is printed at Rare and not Mythic Rare. Nadu is currently half the price of a pack as a single, and it was a similar price a while ago. If it's meant to sell packs, it's done a pretty horrible job.
Played the hell outta FNM and Grand Prix tournaments from 2013-2017. Glad to see high quality content on a game I used to love - fortunately was always a Limited guy, so format warping cards were for the uber-sweaty types (your 0-2 droppers). I’m gonna redownload MtGO…
got this randomly recomanded by yt. thinking myself "oh, something i could play while i sleeve some of my decks" than i hear our narrator go commentator mode and i instantly snap up and go "wait a second... i heard this man before... who in the seven hells am i watching?" and you wanna know the (most likely second) funniest thing? as the video went on i got to sleeving a nadu deck cause i had some from my openings and thought i should do something with he who will be banned
“That influence is so strong that, as a young commentator, I adopted the opening phrase of a legendary Magic commentator, Randy Buehler” I didn’t realize that “hello and welcome” was that unique of a thing to say KEKW
Hey Pastrytime, I thought I recognized your voice! Great to see you doing new stuff, loved you as a league commentator and this vid was great too. Are you a fan of Orb of Creation? I immediately recognized the iconic song as one of my favorites from that idler. Not sure if you took it from that or if its just copyright-free music that both you and Orb used.
I had the pleasure of playing in this PT, and to my memory 11 of my 14 matches were against some flavor of rebels. I didn't play against Rising Waters once (a relatively small team brough it), but played against a couple of black control decks (an anti-Rebel strategy). (I was playing a more controlling version of Rebels than most, FTR.)
I know it's not the pro tour, but the mythic championship that was 69% Oko has made pretty much any other tour watchable for me. At least almost 3/4 of the matches aren't pretty much mirror matches.
what the hell, I clicked on the video just because I was curious, I never expected to come across the MTG channel of...... one of my favorite LoL caster of all time???!!! I didn't know you were into MTG, PastryTime!
I was 16 when I opened a Rishadan Port and remember being disappointed that my rare was a land. And I loved my Rebels deck, I was lucky enough to get a Lin Sivvi too, and was the envy of all my friends ^_^
Thank you! For right now the channel will still be a mix of the current MTG/Commander content and stuff like this but I do want to do more of these in the future.
I was wondering why the presentation and voice sounded scarily similar! I love competitive coverage in card games, and you scratched that itch, I don’t even play MTG, I should add Cheers to Esports in card games!
Wizards seems to have a serious problem with designing cards that cost specifically 1UG (Oko, Uro, etc), perhaps there should be an indefinite moratorium on rares with that cost lmao
"... THE best pro tour finals match of all time..." *Shows finals from Chicago 1999* My man 🤝 That match is mind-bogglingly good. I also love that line that Randy pops off in the lead-in to game five: "Bryan Davis is trying to become the third consecutive rookie to win Pro Tour Chicago, he's also trying to become the first person ever to win the finals five games to zero." Legendarily savage roasting 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Damn I miss the block release system for cards and thematic storytelling 😮💨 Magic's Prime. It still suffered a lot of issues, but the thematic designs and unique worlds of lore and mechanics really created the most fun eternal format environments to me.
Nadu isn't an accident. MH3 is explicitly a pushed product intended to rotate a non-rotating format, as were the first two. These crushingly powerful cards aren't a whoopsie from Wizards, they're why you're buying packs.
I was thinking of Pro Tour Aether Revolt personally, considering 6/8 decks were Mardu Vehicles, and it also featured the infamous "combat" moment, skipping Cesar Segovia's beginning of combat step in a very dumb rules moment.
Wait, you're pastrytime? You're featured in one of my favourite bits of League of Legends calling ever -- the legendary Jungle Heimerdinger that came from the then-named GSG.You were so pumped for that Heimer and it was fun to watch because of it. Of course, that was 11 years ago... so I dunno if you even remember that.
Holy smokes, this video did a LOT better than I thought it would esp. since the channel is very much still growing.
I'm glad there's an audience for this type of content and I'll certainly be making more in the future (I already have some ideas cooking) but just want to note that as of right now esp for newer subs that it's going to be more the exception than the rule as far as content goes on the channel.
That being said the appetite is clearly there so I might have to effort the next one sooner than I thought!
I can't imagine the amount of research that went into making this video, but the delivery was really on point and really easy to digest. Not only that, great work on the editing giving visual aids and transitions for pretty much every single point.
I'll be honest, I don't really like Commander content. I came in with an open mind after reading your channel description and this was a great video! There's not really a lot of history of competitive Magic stuff out there so I look forward to more.
Here before 1k subs 8D
cut to the chase faster on your next video please
Big fan of competitive mtg history. Also, I disagree with the comment about cutting to the chase. The video had a good tempo.
Me: "These eldrazi are crazy! It's gonna be so hard to play against them!"
A fuckin bird: 🗿
At least the cheaper Eldrazi came out years later after temple and eye of ugin...Nadu was just WotC completely failing at their job.
I was at GP Detroit during Eldrazi Winter playing Burn. It was a rough day.
They will let Nadu live until summer ends like hogaak probably.
i hope they start restricting cards like they did in timeless. worked really well for the meta
@@Krythavar They will not, so just abandon that idea.
@@Krythavarwhy don't you whine a little bit 😢
About until Bloomburrow drops
unless they get serious slack they'll wait till next ban period which is at the end of August
You know your format is absolutely fucked when a mono-blue prison deck running Gush and Daze is a scrappy underdog, jesus christ.
I was listening to this and thinking "Man this sounds like Pastrytime" and then you mentioned your time in league of legends 😂
I remember convincing my brother that Lin Sivvi could activate her second ability from the yard
You are an evil, evil person. Well done!
LOL, ah early MTG arguments. I remember drawing a game because one card said I can do something, and another card said I can't. I was such an annoying kid sometimes!
Nadu ticks literally every single box for a ban-worthy card: Extremely heavily played (x), warps the meta around itself (x), strong combo card (x) - in a resilient shell (x), strong card even without the combo (x), repetitive and/or annoying play pattern (double x), causes tournament issues due to monopolizing too much game clock (x). They will ban this card once the Hasbro suits are sure that all boxes of MM3 have been sold and the impact on the secondary market is considered not too heavy anymore.
People always say this but it makes no sense, nobody is opening MH3 for Nadu, he's not even a mythic rare and he's worth less than 5 dollars lol.
Forgot the most important one: Trades favorably with answers.
@@Alecationsthat's not the most important ban criteria. Being unanswerable doesn't even necessarily make a card good, though it is a force multiplier. It's a big deal in what makes a card overpowering, but not why cards get banned by WotC.
The most impactful point that gets cards banned is when the card or the deck breaks tournament structure, this includes being impossible to track, making every round go to time without being slow play, or requiring people to bring a sticker deck just in case. A relatively close second is eviscerating player morale and attendance/viewership by not being fun while still being played, and a rules change or errata won't help, and the next set releasing doesn't look like it'll shake things up.
Then, in distant third most important, is the card actually being powerful, and the ways that it is powerful. This is a big deal, because if the deck can't compete, nobody will play it, and it won't be a problem, but simply dominating the meta isn't necessarily a problem either.
He could have said "if this creature is targeted by your opponent" and it would still be a sick card
Funny thing is, Nadu isn't even moving boxes because everyone knows it will be banned, so no one is buying a box or pack to get Nadu. It's also probably rule zeroed at a ton of commander tables. I'll bet the suits are saying don't ban it because they have no clue how Magic players think, but they are just ruining an RCQ season for no reason.
God I adore historical magic content like this. Really appreciate your hard work.
Thanks bud
To quickly correct you, it wasn't 20% of Nadu decks at the PT, it was 25% as there was a 4 Color Variant Nadu list there too, Bant Nadu covered 20.2% of the field while the remaining 5.3% of the Nadu decks ran the 4 Color Variant.
I saw the same in the list, but he did say "more than 20%" even though he could have just as reasonably said more than 25%
@@vctrsigma I did know the number was higher but wanted to keep the same consistency as the graphic on screen I was referencing. This was actually a very intentional bit of scripting!
We should just ban all 3 mana spells tbh. That seems to be the throughline.
Why don't you whine a little bit 😢
We've suffered for too long from 3 drops like Teferi or Oko
@@animalchin5082 rift bolt has been a manace too long!
@@animalchin5082 uro
My playgroup has a joke that one of our house rules is no plays till turn 4 😂
There's something hilarious about a Stasis deck being the "good guy" relatively speaking.
I saw this video appear in my feed and immediately recognised your voice.
Excellent work and amazing production quality!
Same!
Heh, it is a small thing but at 8:30 you have the set symbols mixed up, nemesis was the axe and prophecy was the crystal
LOL no one has to know.
It's funny because I know for a fact in the edit I swapped them because I thought they were in the wrong order.
Should've trusted my instincts...
At the end of the day, nobody cares because both Nemesis and Prophecy suck interchangeably.
I miss being able to place Jace Beleren to remove a Jace the Mind Sculptor.
The good old days of playing a mid 'Walker to remove an absurdly good one at sorcery speed and it somehow being good.
Glory days
@@realK1 also, balanced days*
I find magic tournaments very hard to watch. they don't show you the decks being played and it seems like they just assume everyone is deep into magic and knows everything.
I haven't watched a tournament since like 2012, but they used to have really good commentary for the star city games tournaments that would explain every card being played. I wonder if there's anything like that today.
Isn't that true of almost every sport though?
thats how i feel when i watch flesh and blood now, i want to watch and learn the game but no idea whats happening, dont know the cards etc
@@Josh-bn4ki ? Magic has over 20.000 different cards. How on earth can someone know all off them. Yes on tournaments there are mostly only metadecks but still if you cant read the text on the card you have no idea whats going on. Most sports are easy to understand just by watching it.
Maybe dont watch real magic if you're a casual
Really awesome video!
I think what makes Nadu feel different is that it's not just wizards making mistakes like they did with Necro or Skullclamp, but it's like they are just throwing out insane cards and letting the community do the playtesting. We've had the incarnations, Ragavan, Thoracle, Jewled Lotus, The One Ring, Oko, and all of these things could have been fixed before they were released, but once they are in packs being sold, and it's much harder to solve problems because players have already built decks and these are the chase cards.
It's not Nadu really, it's that there will always be another Nadu in a set or two.
By looking at the WotC actions in last months/years I wouldn't be surprised if they did that on purpose just to sell more packs. The amount of crazy strong, obviously problematic cards in recent sets is astounding. Not even mentioning the power creep. And the worst thing is that they aren't going to stop: yesterday the Bloomburrow trailer dropped and guess what? Even more strong, power creep cards that will make other cards completely obsolete due the sheer power.
@@N4chtigallhate to say it because I enjoyed 20+ years of 40-60 card format magic but these days the only format I even have decks built for are beginner teaching decks built from left over bulk commons and uncommons that I would teach new players with then donate the deck to them(haven't run into anyone lately but did give a few away like this.) and commander.
It's a lot easier to swallow a powerful card effect if it's limited to one. And while you can make a commander deck hyper focus on 1 combo with tutors and everything, it's usually better to build a deck with multiple combos. That allows for a more dynamic game to play out since you may not be winning with the same win con every single time. Unlike 60 card magic where you build the deck around a couple Cards with 3-4 copies of your primary combo cards then engine support cards to protect, speed up the combo, or counter.
Agreed! Also just looking at the speed with which increasingly obscure sets are coming out, the cash grab element of it is pretty obvious.
It’s a side effect of having absolutely no time to play test anything between sets. Nowadays, there’s a new product coming out every three weeks. There’s no time for r&d to properly playtest everything, and instead having to rush it out the door as quickly as possible.
As long as this type of design continues, there will indeed be another Nadu every other set or so.
@@N4chtigall Yep, agree 100% It's just that it's such a short sighted way to push sales. The thing is, magic absolutely depends on old cards, nostalgia, and players brewing with their old favorites, because at the end of the day, magic is fundamentally worse at being a card game than most other card games. When they keep printing stupidly power crept newness, and as players keep having the outcome be, it's not as fun to play my old favorites anymore, it kinda ruins the one thing that magic truly has to it's advantage. Just the fact that other games have no land flood/screw and they balance in other ways that don't depend on sheer luck in every single game, that's why magic desperately needs to not disenfranchise current players and to not powercreep out the older cards.
I think this is all very interesting! It’s weird to think that a card was broken, not really just because it was good, but simply because of that old ruling…as opposed to Nadu only being absurdly good LOL
Holy cow no wonder I love this channel, you've got some epic calls for the lcs!
i just have you running in the background and you just casually bring up that you are THE VOICE I think of when i think of League Worlds. I love your mtg history lessons i cant wait for more ♥
man when you cut to the LCS footage and i recognized your voice from the intros it threw me for a loop
great vid
Great video! If I may offer some feedback.The music was a little loud around 7:15 and it made it hard to hear you. I hope it on sound like a jerk, I’m excited to see more from you in the future.
Oh np! I did a pretty good look at the mix for this video but missed this part for sure. Thanks for the feedback!
This IS the type of content I want to see more of! Please keep making it! :)
I love videos like this about history of pro play. Subbed. I'm hoping for more.
Love these videos. I've watched the Enter the Battlefield documentary style videos multiple times as well as every Inside the Deck vid about MTG Pro Tour history. This stuff never gets old!
I can't believe I started watching your videos today and I kept thinking. "Man this guy sounds a lot like Pastrytime" and then I get to this video where it's like. Oh, he IS Pastrytime. Well that makes sense. Great videos I've been really enjoying them. Great quality just like your casting.
MORE historical videos like this please! So fun!
Love this channel for being able to see old pro tour footage i myself didn't start playing magic till 05 early 06 it was all me and my best friend had we went to a place called the last castle and I used to spend all day there and played lots of people I miss.
Magic the gathering was a big part of my life I've played off and on over the years but alas never stayed with it after like 2017.
Magic the gathering will and forever be my favorite TCG.
Im surprised you didn't mention Eldrazi Winter (PT Oath of the Gatewatch). 6 of the top 8 decks were some flavor of Eldrazi, and it was a standard set that sent things into chaos for that modern PT. Also it was a pretty stacked top 8.
I'm guilty of being less familiar with post 2010 PTs esp but excited to learn more about the more recent era.
In fact now that you mention it maybe that PT would be a good video idea...
@HungryOnPlane it would be a cool comparison video just showcasing another format with a crazy oppressive archetype. If you do a video on it I'll definitely check it out!
I am a little surprised the video didn't mention Pro Tour Eldrazi given it getting 6/8. That said, I don't think the Pro Tour itself was that bad (my biggest complaint about it was actually that they banned Splinter Twin shortly before it, which I think was unwarranted and was only done to try to shake things up). Yes, Eldrazi dominated, but Eldrazi was a brand-new deck that was on no one's radar prior to the Pro Tour. A new deck doing so well was a surprise. The format might have been miserable after the Pro Tour (until they banned Eye of Ugin), but in the context of the Pro Tour itself there was some excitement over a new deck no one expected doing so well.
And that's why I think Nadu was a lot worse. People knew about Nadu going into the Pro Tour and already didn't particularly like it, and then it dominated and made people dislike it even more.
Eldrazi winter was awfull.
No reason not to play the deck. It was everywhere...
@@HungryOnPlane Yeah eldrazi winter was my first thought when i saw the title. I think it’s even better for a video conceptually because the main card that lay dormant, eye of ugin, saw very low level of play before being unleashed, much like Eldrazi flavor wise, after the introduction of eldrazi spells with very low CMC such as thot knot, reality smasher, and endless one (who was just free 2/2’s first turn of the game and still a great top end card). That deck was brutal and hard to watch as the play patterns were rarely interesting but you knew that the deck winning was inevitable, again just like the eldrazi themselves. When BFZ first came out and the deck started popping up i wondered if wizards did it on purpose to just replicate the idea of how unbeatable and unrelenting the eldrazi were haha
Okay, being a massive LoL fan and hearing PastryTimes voice I was very confused. Awesome to learn that you’re also a huge MTG guy! Been absolutely obsessed with magic since first discovering it in 2011.
Oh I loved your casting in the LCS. I didn't expect banger magic content as well. Both the Block Constructed have been awesome.I gre up with the game but never knew much of the pro scene.
This is such a good video, I wish you got more views for such a good video
Well sometimes wishes do come truw
Love the video! Would love to see more bangers like this ❤😊
Heard the voice at the start and did a double take; when I heard the LCS shouts I couldn't believe that one of my favorite casters was doing a MTG video! Instant sub, hope you keep doing content like this!
Been watching your channel for several videos and had no idea I was listening to pastrytime. Haha, wild
I was just about to comment that you sounded exactly like pastrytime. Good caster voice translates well over to good youtube voice, good job!
This was awesome I love these type of videos and am subscribing because of it. I am not very interested in commander content but this and the one about the RG deck were awesome
I feel crazy Stockholm syndrome, but I really feel without Nadu this modern format would be real fun. One Ring is the next boogie man for basically giving a freebie turn and crazy card advantage for all the free spells, but I feel after that storm is easy to hate out, tron can also be hated. I feel after Nadu and One Ring the format could be reallllly fun.
One Ring is problematic though as no one is sure if/how it can be printed. Price has doubled in a year, and there’s no word from WOTC addressing this. UB could be the reserved list of the 2020s and “Beyond….”
@@kaipography yea. I wish IP wasn’t a problem because I find the card and flavor interesting. I also think it’d be cool to actually get it restricted for such a flavor win, but doubt they’d introduce that Pandora’s box to modern.
I agree One Ring should probably go if reprint avenues cannot be figured out though.
@@kaipography its insane that people think you cant reprint the one ring. They can easily make a universes within version. They've done it before, and they'll do it again
@@vitaminstorm9429 it’s a very big, rich IP. It’s one of the hardest IP’s to come back to the table and renegotiate deals with amongst what they have used so far, so yes I do think in this instance it’s not as easy to just “reprint as universes within” copies.
They also renegged the promise to do such after the stranger things secret lair / promising universes within versions of them.
@vitaminstorm9429 ye I saw someone mention printing it but swapping in the mirari for universes within flavor and that honestly fits perfectly
14:10 - Man, you can see from the footage how exhausted Eskeland was by the end. He doesn't even look that excited to have won the Pro Tour, he's just like "thank Christ, I don't have to play against any more Rebels."
And he only lost to it once at the event LOL
I got curoius when you showed the LoL clip in this and did more digging. Pastrytime I adored your Lol casting and am happy to follow you in this endeavor. I played Type 2 back when Rebels were a menace, and it was rough. I do agree that this PT deck archetype was indeed supremely dominate.
Surprised at your sub count lol. Definitely assume you are new to uploading. This is good stuff, you'll grow quickly.
This is fantastic, more discussion about ban, broken cards, top 8’s and competitive magic please!
I just found your channel, and that intro really pulled me in, got an instant subscribe as that title screen rolled around. Looking forward to seeing more magic coverage from you!
Great videos just one tiny thing to add though, the blurry background image you use to showcase cards is so highly criminal on the eyes, bordering on felony assault. again love the vids!
Yeah I'm looking into better living holds/motion graphic stuff. Appreciate the feedback. I think the Glaciers art in particular was too eye-assaulting so might also just be picking more appropriate card art.
Love the shout out to the GOAT at the end. Very classy! You've got my sub for that!
Awesome video! Those 2000 magic pro tours were really something 😅
I didn’t realize this was pastrytime until you started talking about your league casting career. Good to see more of you!
Really great video. Well presented and and edited- I think the music could be a little quieter but other than that this is great.
Great video, very informative and entertaining. Minor gripe: the audio levels between the music and your voice over are a little off. Sometimes the music just overpowers your words entirely, 6:33 14:07. The fact that the background music is somewhat busy doesn't help.
Thank you!
I'm defs more aware of audio mix now than in this video, hopefully you feel like it's better in future vids.
it hit me like a truck why your voice sounded familiar, WOW- insane, i didnt even realize you were pastrytime
Your joke about "Not when, but *how* quickly Nadu gets banned" was hysterical
I wonder why they had Nadu's ability cap to triggering twice per-turn Per Creature rather than twice-per-turn period? It'd be a little more awkward to format but WAY more sensible.
It would be far easier to word. Rather than say, "Creatures you control have etc etc etc..." Just say, "Whenevever a creature you control is targeted by a spell or ability, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put it into your hand. This ability only triggers twice per turn."
That was a last minute change I think.
I really appreciate the effort you put into the video and can tell your passion for the subject. Hope to see more like this
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Keep up the videos man. Awesome content.
Holy shit its Pastry Time. Wow I had no idea you had a youtube channel and this was just in my recommended.
More pro tour content! I'm new to Magic and stuff like this is FASCINATING!
Great video!
I don't watch the pro tour but I heard about the Nadu situation; so seeing a video pop up in my recommendations about a pro tour that's supposedly worse, definitely grabbed my attention and I'm glad I watched it.
Keep up the great work, I look forward to more content ~
Awesome video! I totally forgot about how the Legend Rule affected these mirrors. How dreadful!
Oh shit, a professional MTG commentator has a YT channel? With news and old school documentaries? Informed and well-edited too!?!?
Dang, gotta sub early.
I knew this was going to be about Lin Sivvi from the intro. I kinda miss those days.
Love videos about the history of competitive magic. Keep up the good work!
The dedication at the end earned my like
How do you have less than 1k subs?? What a well made video fam. Thanks!!
Road to 1k looking good though 🫡
Very well made video my guy. Hard disagree on this being the worst PT, though. PT Oath of the Gatewatch was such cancer to watch as the Eldrazi menace just ran everyone over. Also, not only was Nadu dominant in the field of its PT, it still WON the event.
I’d still rank both of those PT’s higher than PT Rebels in terms of awfulness.
Randomly finding this video, thinking huh i know that voice and then realising why had me confused. Looking forward to more MTG content from you!
I thought you might have gone for Elves as they had 6/8 in the PT of Berlin. It was a deck that took long turns as Glimpse drew into chains of more elves, and games were decided on if you would accidentally deck out, or just hit your opponent faster than your opponent could set up.
Elves is REALLY interesting 'cause it was omega busted for sure but there's more interesting storylines about that PT I'd like to save for future things. Also any excuse to get the wild late 1990s ESPN coverage in a video LOL.
Also I think the appetite for Elves in retrospect is a lot more palatable now whereas Rebels is universally terrible.
What a great history lesson. Absolutely loved the video style!
How am I just now hearing bout this channel? Got a new subscriber with this video. ❤
Regarding nadu, its transparently far to good. It was carefully made to be this strong, its to push packs
Hanlon's Razor goes here: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
@@Snow_Fire_Flameya inconceivable they would want to sell packs right ? Yuro oko and nardu were all made to sell packs
@@tylerberg4832While I would normally agree, Nadu is printed at Rare and not Mythic Rare. Nadu is currently half the price of a pack as a single, and it was a similar price a while ago. If it's meant to sell packs, it's done a pretty horrible job.
@@profozpin227 you think they make cards to not sell ? Uhhh ok
It's so good I'm shocked it's not mythic
Played the hell outta FNM and Grand Prix tournaments from 2013-2017. Glad to see high quality content on a game I used to love - fortunately was always a Limited guy, so format warping cards were for the uber-sweaty types (your 0-2 droppers). I’m gonna redownload MtGO…
Oh hey! I’ve on and off watched competitive league of legends for years now. That’s so awesome that you also like magic!
got this randomly recomanded by yt. thinking myself "oh, something i could play while i sleeve some of my decks" than i hear our narrator go commentator mode and i instantly snap up and go "wait a second... i heard this man before... who in the seven hells am i watching?"
and you wanna know the (most likely second) funniest thing? as the video went on i got to sleeving a nadu deck cause i had some from my openings and thought i should do something with he who will be banned
“That influence is so strong that, as a young commentator, I adopted the opening phrase of a legendary Magic commentator, Randy Buehler”
I didn’t realize that “hello and welcome” was that unique of a thing to say KEKW
It's not! But I straight up yeeted that flow word for word bar for bar.
Urzas and Marcadian Masks hit me in the feels. These were some of the last sets (Starting with Revised and Dark) that I played before leaving Magic.
Hey Pastrytime, I thought I recognized your voice! Great to see you doing new stuff, loved you as a league commentator and this vid was great too.
Are you a fan of Orb of Creation? I immediately recognized the iconic song as one of my favorites from that idler. Not sure if you took it from that or if its just copyright-free music that both you and Orb used.
Forgot to mention, its the first song used in the vid, if that wasn't clear.
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I am a big Orb fan indeed, there's actually two tracks from the game in the video!
I had the pleasure of playing in this PT, and to my memory 11 of my 14 matches were against some flavor of rebels. I didn't play against Rising Waters once (a relatively small team brough it), but played against a couple of black control decks (an anti-Rebel strategy). (I was playing a more controlling version of Rebels than most, FTR.)
Pastrytime talking to me about magic the gathering? This is something I never knew i needed in life and I'm all for it
How do you have under 2k subs? Your editing, script, and topic are A tier
I know it's not the pro tour, but the mythic championship that was 69% Oko has made pretty much any other tour watchable for me. At least almost 3/4 of the matches aren't pretty much mirror matches.
Oh boy Oko honestly deserves his own video. Might be the card that ruined the MOST amount of things.
@@HungryOnPlane Oko, Uro and field of the dead made for a very... ruined first few months of Eldrain
what the hell, I clicked on the video just because I was curious, I never expected to come across the MTG channel of...... one of my favorite LoL caster of all time???!!! I didn't know you were into MTG, PastryTime!
Oh you know I've only being playing for 25 years LOL
Magic is the only thing I've done longer than League...
I was 16 when I opened a Rishadan Port and remember being disappointed that my rare was a land. And I loved my Rebels deck, I was lucky enough to get a Lin Sivvi too, and was the envy of all my friends ^_^
Just subscribed hoping for more pro tour history vids ❤
Subscribed, Awesome video would love to see more these.
Thank you! For right now the channel will still be a mix of the current MTG/Commander content and stuff like this but I do want to do more of these in the future.
When you started showing the old video, I knew it was going to be Lin Sivvi. The legend rule was such a problem.
I would put any caw blade era pro tour up against pro tour rebels, but I'm so happy to have a video about lin sivvi's effect on magic.
Well, now I want to play Orb of Creation again...
That moment when you click a random Magic video essay that popped up in your recomendeds and go "Wait a hot sec..... I know that voice"
It's me Magic Time.
I was wondering why the presentation and voice sounded scarily similar!
I love competitive coverage in card games, and you scratched that itch, I don’t even play MTG, I should add
Cheers to Esports in card games!
Wizards seems to have a serious problem with designing cards that cost specifically 1UG (Oko, Uro, etc), perhaps there should be an indefinite moratorium on rares with that cost lmao
How about a moratorium on any new cards at any cost. Ok at least no new free spells
"... THE best pro tour finals match of all time..."
*Shows finals from Chicago 1999*
My man 🤝 That match is mind-bogglingly good. I also love that line that Randy pops off in the lead-in to game five:
"Bryan Davis is trying to become the third consecutive rookie to win Pro Tour Chicago, he's also trying to become the first person ever to win the finals five games to zero." Legendarily savage roasting 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Its not a disaster for wotc because it sells packs.
It's a feature. Not a bug.
Damn I miss the block release system for cards and thematic storytelling 😮💨
Magic's Prime. It still suffered a lot of issues, but the thematic designs and unique worlds of lore and mechanics really created the most fun eternal format environments to me.
Glad I clicked on this video, lesson is Wizards will always print more busted cards (or change the rules to fit it) 😂
Excellent video! Good luck with the channel!
WAIT YOURE PASTRY TIME? HELL YEAH MAGIC VIDEOS
I can relate too Kai Budde at the end, having started playing mtg in 1995 i made alot of friends just sitting down in the local game shop and playing.
Nadu isn't an accident. MH3 is explicitly a pushed product intended to rotate a non-rotating format, as were the first two. These crushingly powerful cards aren't a whoopsie from Wizards, they're why you're buying packs.
Based fucking take. I hate playing modern now, because everyone has modern horizons block constructed decks
For me, 2016's Pro Tour Oath of the Gatewatch was the worst. 6 copies of Eldrazi in the top 8 (other 2 were affinity).
Lotta people say hello and welcome man. Cool video though
I was thinking of Pro Tour Aether Revolt personally, considering 6/8 decks were Mardu Vehicles, and it also featured the infamous "combat" moment, skipping Cesar Segovia's beginning of combat step in a very dumb rules moment.
*writes down future ideas furiously*
Wait, you're pastrytime? You're featured in one of my favourite bits of League of Legends calling ever -- the legendary Jungle Heimerdinger that came from the then-named GSG.You were so pumped for that Heimer and it was fun to watch because of it. Of course, that was 11 years ago... so I dunno if you even remember that.
The very same Pastrytime yes.
And I absolutely remember that game seeing as it launched my League career!