I tinker on my bikes and parts like you, but I approach it from the opposite direction. Living in the Netherlands, one of the flattest places in the world, and being 1,87 meter long and weighing 80 kilograms I am not a weight weenie. Being 66 years old my racing days are over and comfort means more for my riding distance than speed, ask my knees. I look for easy to repair more or less indestructible bits and pieces and considering nowadays throw away mentality I buy second hand as much as possible. Rebuilding a pair of aluminium double rim wheels with deceased hubs, reusing the spokes and a pair of old fashioned Shimano Deore cup en cone hubs, makes me perfectly happy. No trueing stand, just the bike and zip ties, not perfectly round but well within margin and good enough is good enough. Different direction, same fun and same dork attitude. That’s why I like your videos, always a treat to watch them and always bringing a smile om my face.🤓
I am using the Xpedo Thrust 11 SL with 164g for 3 years without any maintenance now. Still going very strong. Hope these ones will also perform like mine.
I hope so too. My m-force 8 which is of a similar spindle construction had developed bearing play within a year, easy fix but it still involved a quick disassembly.
Ce sont mes futures pédales car j’ai acheté les nouvelles look ceramic ti (190gr/paire) elles ont cassé au bout de 3mois d’utilisation !! J’ai eu aussi des exustar epm ti qui ont fait 2ans sur mon vélo et 1an sur le vélo de mon amis et toujours rien elles sont comme neuve.
Need to try these on Assioma Favero pedals. I bet they will find, as Thrust bodies, these Sonik use same 3 bearing layup,. Should remove spindles and compare them with other Xpedo spindles.
I've been using clipless pedals since 1985. The main reason to use Shimano is cleat life- Shimano cleats last at least a season, usually two. Look cleats are made of soft putty, and you'll need to replace them a couple of times a year. I've never used Speedplay, so i can't comment on their durability.
Xpedo (parent company Wellgo) has been saying no stationary bike use for over a decade on titanium axles... Probably a liability thing since they supply pedals for a lot of gym equipment and don't want some heavy person snapping them.
I believe Xpedo is a brand of Wellgo, who has been manufacturing for Shimano (under license) for many years. The patents for SPD however, (and I think some SPD-SL) expired in many countries around the time of the pandemic. Won't tightening the tension on the Shimano pedal get rid of the play (excess float)? You can use them on an exercise bike. Warning is for commercial spin bikes, which are usually rated for 150kg of body weight (so 3X your body weight).
Float is determined by the cleat, not the pedal. The adjustable part on the pedal is only in how much force you need to unclip, which is important if you intend to sprint.
Glad you mentioned q-factor - the dura ace pedals actually have a slightly smaller q factor than shimano's other pedals. The only dura ace i have on my bike (bought used! had to service the bearings, a pain but kinda fun) is the pedals 'cause i struggle to get my feet close enough together due to my tremendously skinny arse.
Pedal body of Assioma is supplied by Xpedo. Hope this pedal is compatible with Assioma power meter spindle. (I want use Shimano cleat with my Assioma.)
J’ai les nouvelles keo blade ceramic ti elles ont duré 3mois et ont cassé…je pense qu’il y a un gros défaut de conception sur ces nouvelles pédales que je déconseille. Mes autres pédales look n’ont jamais eu le moindre problème.
Decades ago when I was a mountainbiker I got some Xpedo MTB pedals which turn out to be garbage. They did not last 6 months before they snaped. I would imagine these road pedals would have that same reliability. Maybe not. I'd like to save the weight but since I still have a good set of DA I'll keep my money in my pocket for now. Thanks for the video.
haven't ridden those, may be they are fine - but I highly recomment the Time pedals; the carbon titan version is about 140 g (per pair!), contact patch, click in and out is excellent, and I ride them on my road bike for 8 years now without any problems or wear
you’ve been using the Shimano cleat for a while that is why you feel more ‘homie’ with it. It’s the reverse for me, am using Assioma’s for a long while now and they use the same red Xpedo cleats, when i try to use Shimano cleats i don’t feel as good as with the xpedo’s…to each his own i guess
Agreed, either cleat is totally fine, I will use the xpedo cleats once my current shimano ones wear out. Shame not to. The point I was trying to confirm and show was that Shimano cleats works just as good, and since they are much easier to get hold of here, that was an important point for me. (The xpedo MTB pedals also claim compatibility, but in reality it was actually a much worse experience than with the Xpedo cleats) I realize now that, due to my surprise of them working as good as on shimano pedals, it become more of a Cleat vs Cleat comparison. Thanks for adding your perspective! Invaluable!
Doooooode. Forget the light titanium bit. Are you going to fit these to your assiomas? That looks like the same spindle so, Is that possible? So wait … can people have lighter pedals with less q factor than the actual shimano favero’s? Thats a whole video my guy. Please make it.
I’ve been trying to get a hold of these for over a year. Xpedo wasn’t interested in helping get early models. Their US marking company was all 🤷♂️ while happily promoting them. If these are commercially available, I’ll try purchase a set to test on Favero spindles.
Love your stuff… yes I’m a nerd …. Can we get Tees or Hoodies with either the ROJ or Slayer of grams designs? I did get a hoodie a few years ago and I love it.
@@straightcircleeif you swap the crankarms on the DA groupset to carbon crankarms (for example the SRAM Red), you can save about 200g making DA still the lightest option
@@PedaleurPat, yes Dura Ace 9200 chain set is about 690 grams , think SRAM Red in similar size is 560g ish .. Carbon Cybrei with rings would be about 520g , so making Dura Ace a lighter system than SRAM Red .. I ve no idea why Shimano don't make a carbon Dura Ace crank set , especially with the bad reputation of the alloy Dura Ace and Ultegra cranks ..
@@MrReenie44yeh you‘re right… I am also not sure but it may be because they can‘t even produce a proper alu crank 😅 Additionally, I‘ve heard (please anybody correct me if this is false) that the 24mm axle construction is per se heavier than a DUB one?
Shimano Carbon pedals of this type wear in the front hook too (depending on your foot movement and the float of the cleat). Other carbon pedals have this too but it takes longer. I think carbon isn’t a good material for pedals if you expect them to last longer then 15000 km for the Shimano ones. Especially for your trainer: buy some metal spd pedals
@@veganpotterthevegan well lots of people isn’t me, you can also assume a lot of these people ride on worn out pedals far too long. Also the Channel: Road Cycling Academy made a good analysis of the effects on pedalling earlier this year, well worth a watch
@@ivarbrouwer197 lots of people isn't you. Everyone gets different mileage on their gear and that's true for absolutely everything. You were saying not to expect them to last longer than 15k kilometers, not that they only lasted that long for you.
@@veganpotterthevegan yes, im saying you should not expect mileage out of a carbon pedal like you would a carbon bikeframe. People with fixed cleats or no lateral foot movement in their pedal stroke probably get more out of it, but generally it not a product that will last, nor is it serviceable like bearings. In general: carbon is not a good material for pedals that suffer from continuous friction from cleats.
@ivarbrouwer197 nobody said that. It's the same way that you can't expect the same mileage from derailleur pulley bearings and a headset, even if they're the same material. *They're certainly serviceable. A couple bucks of epoxy and cut up carbon tow and you can replace any worn material on that pedal. It's a very low skill fix
My Thrust 8 SL are 165g .. but they are Look Keo cleat and the rubber spring isn t as reliable as steel .. the Thrust 8 Titanium's are very similar to these Sonics but mine weigh 175g .
Someone else in the comments earlier than yours reckoned it's probably due to liability reasons. They don't want heavy spin cycle class participants to unknowingly use them and then have it break mid-session. Also, weight doesn't matter for stationary bikes anyway.
@@timtaylor9590 the ”lightweight” bolts that come with dura ace pedals. But they don’t actually save much weight. Check this video: ua-cam.com/video/qNUQHYfTM08/v-deo.html
So you spend a this money on new lightweight pedals and carbon ti chainrings etc but you still use a titanium frame?! Is this a super lightweight one or do you just prefer the feeling of it?
Too fat for these pedals😢 I am 80kg an my bike is 6.2kg. They are weight resticted 85kg. I am not happy with my Look pedal with 190g. Trying to get titanium spindles without weight restiction for Dura Ace pedals and try them next season. But they are always sold out
@@gavinmercak-dinolfo1375 yeah, but a lot of parts are weight restricted on system weight with bike and everything. I have to check this for the pedals. Really want SPD SL pedals.
Shimano pedals, yes, they will weigh more... but they can last forever (or almost). I use the 7800 and 7900 on my 2 bicycles and they continue to work like they did on the first day.
Assioma mod with these Sonik bodies has been successfully done by the power meter master @GPLama check it out! ua-cam.com/video/WDFczMurdOU/v-deo.html
I tinker on my bikes and parts like you, but I approach it from the opposite direction. Living in the Netherlands, one of the flattest places in the world, and being 1,87 meter long and weighing 80 kilograms I am not a weight weenie. Being 66 years old my racing days are over and comfort means more for my riding distance than speed, ask my knees. I look for easy to repair more or less indestructible bits and pieces and considering nowadays throw away mentality I buy second hand as much as possible. Rebuilding a pair of aluminium double rim wheels with deceased hubs, reusing the spokes and a pair of old fashioned Shimano Deore cup en cone hubs, makes me perfectly happy. No trueing stand, just the bike and zip ties, not perfectly round but well within margin and good enough is good enough. Different direction, same fun and same dork attitude. That’s why I like your videos, always a treat to watch them and always bringing a smile om my face.🤓
I'm not even a weight weenie really, but I will watch everything and anything you put out.
Same.
I am using the Xpedo Thrust 11 SL with 164g for 3 years without any maintenance now. Still going very strong. Hope these ones will also perform like mine.
I hope so too. My m-force 8 which is of a similar spindle construction had developed bearing play within a year, easy fix but it still involved a quick disassembly.
Ce sont mes futures pédales car j’ai acheté les nouvelles look ceramic ti (190gr/paire) elles ont cassé au bout de 3mois d’utilisation !! J’ai eu aussi des exustar epm ti qui ont fait 2ans sur mon vélo et 1an sur le vélo de mon amis et toujours rien elles sont comme neuve.
Who would have thought spending 15 minutes watching a man wiggling his feet could be so interesting? Thanks Tobias, always fun learning with you.
Need to try these on Assioma Favero pedals. I bet they will find, as Thrust bodies, these Sonik use same 3 bearing layup,. Should remove spindles and compare them with other Xpedo spindles.
Two Rides of Japan videos in as many weeks?! Lucky us.
Really impressive how quiet your drivetrain is!
I've been using clipless pedals since 1985. The main reason to use Shimano is cleat life- Shimano cleats last at least a season, usually two.
Look cleats are made of soft putty, and you'll need to replace them a couple of times a year.
I've never used Speedplay, so i can't comment on their durability.
Xpedo (parent company Wellgo) has been saying no stationary bike use for over a decade on titanium axles... Probably a liability thing since they supply pedals for a lot of gym equipment and don't want some heavy person snapping them.
I believe Xpedo is a brand of Wellgo, who has been manufacturing for Shimano (under license) for many years. The patents for SPD however, (and I think some SPD-SL) expired in many countries around the time of the pandemic. Won't tightening the tension on the Shimano pedal get rid of the play (excess float)?
You can use them on an exercise bike. Warning is for commercial spin bikes, which are usually rated for 150kg of body weight (so 3X your body weight).
Float is determined by the cleat, not the pedal. The adjustable part on the pedal is only in how much force you need to unclip, which is important if you intend to sprint.
The wear in the body results in the ability to rock left and right. I think replacement is the only fix.
Recently brought the thrust sl xpedo pedals , been pretty awsome so fair and saved me 80 grams over my older dura ace pedals 👌
Sick sock shoe combo 👌
Glad you mentioned q-factor - the dura ace pedals actually have a slightly smaller q factor than shimano's other pedals.
The only dura ace i have on my bike (bought used! had to service the bearings, a pain but kinda fun) is the pedals 'cause i struggle to get my feet close enough together due to my tremendously skinny arse.
Pedal body of Assioma is supplied by Xpedo.
Hope this pedal is compatible with Assioma power meter spindle.
(I want use Shimano cleat with my Assioma.)
I heard @gplama is currently testing this combination
Look Keo Blade Ceramic Ti pedals weight 190 g a pair, 260 with cleats etc.
Riding several pairs of Look Keo with steel and titanium axes for 10+ years. Never had an issue, never did any service on them.
J’ai les nouvelles keo blade ceramic ti elles ont duré 3mois et ont cassé…je pense qu’il y a un gros défaut de conception sur ces nouvelles pédales que je déconseille. Mes autres pédales look n’ont jamais eu le moindre problème.
Decades ago when I was a mountainbiker I got some Xpedo MTB pedals which turn out to be garbage. They did not last 6 months before they snaped. I would imagine these road pedals would have that same reliability. Maybe not. I'd like to save the weight but since I still have a good set of DA I'll keep my money in my pocket for now. Thanks for the video.
Stack height should be easy to measure, since there is a round cap on the outside of the pedal axle. Just measure cap center to pedal platform.
haven't ridden those, may be they are fine - but I highly recomment the Time pedals; the carbon titan version is about 140 g (per pair!), contact patch, click in and out is excellent, and I ride them on my road bike for 8 years now without any problems or wear
you’ve been using the Shimano cleat for a while that is why you feel more ‘homie’ with it. It’s the reverse for me, am using Assioma’s for a long while now and they use the same red Xpedo cleats, when i try to use Shimano cleats i don’t feel as good as with the xpedo’s…to each his own i guess
Agreed, either cleat is totally fine, I will use the xpedo cleats once my current shimano ones wear out. Shame not to.
The point I was trying to confirm and show was that Shimano cleats works just as good, and since they are much easier to get hold of here, that was an important point for me.
(The xpedo MTB pedals also claim compatibility, but in reality it was actually a much worse experience than with the Xpedo cleats)
I realize now that, due to my surprise of them working as good as on shimano pedals, it become more of a Cleat vs Cleat comparison.
Thanks for adding your perspective! Invaluable!
Wow, they are pricey enough though. Be interesting to see what the bearings and internals are like.
You also can change your dura ace axle to an titanium one. Tri Parts has one. My Dura Ace pedals turned out to have 198,4g afterwards.
The Italian manufacturer of the XTR Ti spindles are also working on DA... but taking ages
Doooooode. Forget the light titanium bit. Are you going to fit these to your assiomas? That looks like the same spindle so, Is that possible? So wait … can people have lighter pedals with less q factor than the actual shimano favero’s? Thats a whole video my guy. Please make it.
Nope, zero interest in heavy power meters ;)
GP Llama has you covered there.
I’ve been trying to get a hold of these for over a year. Xpedo wasn’t interested in helping get early models. Their US marking company was all 🤷♂️ while happily promoting them. If these are commercially available, I’ll try purchase a set to test on Favero spindles.
Xpedo: "don't use on stationary bike" SoG: WATCH ME!!!! 🤣🧡
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Any chance anyone knowa if I would be able to swap this pedal body with the Favero assioma axle?
Love your stuff… yes I’m a nerd …. Can we get Tees or Hoodies with either the ROJ or Slayer of grams designs?
I did get a hoodie a few years ago and I love it.
sorry, I found the quality of the print/shirts had gone down so much from teespring I closed the store down.
@@ridesofjapan any chance you may look for another outlet in future?
@@matttiggerward6147 not currently looking but I never say never :)
Buongiorno
Come ti trovi con le fizik tempo decos carbon?
Are these pedal bodies compatible with favero assioma duo pedals that fit into Shimano road pedals?
My hero!
What gets worn is not on the rear, but on the bottom front. When you compare a new set vs. an old set it becomes very apparent.
They also appear to have a lower stack height than the Shimano pedals. Is that so?
I know it might add a little weight, but did you see peak torque's 3d printed crank arm end protectors?
I'm wondering if Favero is planning on releasing a native SPD-SL pedal with the Assioma-MX spindle.
does the Assioma Duo Shi fit on this pedal?
SRAM claims its 2024 Red AXS groupset is 154g lighter than the previous version, making it the lightest electronic groupset available today.
He doesn't like sram :D
@@Amir-cu4qp but if he wants to save more grams he should... the lightest groupset now in 2024.. for the Slayer of Grams! Ahahaha
@@straightcircleeif you swap the crankarms on the DA groupset to carbon crankarms (for example the SRAM Red), you can save about 200g making DA still the lightest option
@@PedaleurPat, yes Dura Ace 9200 chain set is about 690 grams , think SRAM Red in similar size is 560g ish .. Carbon Cybrei with rings would be about 520g , so making Dura Ace a lighter system than SRAM Red .. I ve no idea why Shimano don't make a carbon Dura Ace crank set , especially with the bad reputation of the alloy Dura Ace and Ultegra cranks ..
@@MrReenie44yeh you‘re right…
I am also not sure but it may be because they can‘t even produce a proper alu crank 😅 Additionally, I‘ve heard (please anybody correct me if this is false) that the 24mm axle construction is per se heavier than a DUB one?
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Shimano Carbon pedals of this type wear in the front hook too (depending on your foot movement and the float of the cleat). Other carbon pedals have this too but it takes longer.
I think carbon isn’t a good material for pedals if you expect them to last longer then 15000 km for the Shimano ones. Especially for your trainer: buy some metal spd pedals
Lots of people have over 30k miles on these
@@veganpotterthevegan well lots of people isn’t me, you can also assume a lot of these people ride on worn out pedals far too long.
Also the Channel: Road Cycling Academy made a good analysis of the effects on pedalling earlier this year, well worth a watch
@@ivarbrouwer197 lots of people isn't you. Everyone gets different mileage on their gear and that's true for absolutely everything. You were saying not to expect them to last longer than 15k kilometers, not that they only lasted that long for you.
@@veganpotterthevegan yes, im saying you should not expect mileage out of a carbon pedal like you would a carbon bikeframe. People with fixed cleats or no lateral foot movement in their pedal stroke probably get more out of it, but generally it not a product that will last, nor is it serviceable like bearings. In general: carbon is not a good material for pedals that suffer from continuous friction from cleats.
@ivarbrouwer197 nobody said that. It's the same way that you can't expect the same mileage from derailleur pulley bearings and a headset, even if they're the same material.
*They're certainly serviceable. A couple bucks of epoxy and cut up carbon tow and you can replace any worn material on that pedal. It's a very low skill fix
Should have gone with the Xpédo Thrust SL which are 168gr :)
My Thrust 8 SL are 165g .. but they are Look Keo cleat and the rubber spring isn t as reliable as steel .. the Thrust 8 Titanium's are very similar to these Sonics but mine weigh 175g .
can anyone explain why they are not rated for "stationary bikes"?
Someone else in the comments earlier than yours reckoned it's probably due to liability reasons. They don't want heavy spin cycle class participants to unknowingly use them and then have it break mid-session.
Also, weight doesn't matter for stationary bikes anyway.
what kind of cleat bolts are those?
@@timtaylor9590 the ”lightweight” bolts that come with dura ace pedals. But they don’t actually save much weight. Check this video:
ua-cam.com/video/qNUQHYfTM08/v-deo.html
Look Carbon Pedals 👍🖖
What about stack?
So you spend a this money on new lightweight pedals and carbon ti chainrings etc but you still use a titanium frame?! Is this a super lightweight one or do you just prefer the feeling of it?
Arent the new TIME pedals even lighter? Time XPRO 12 SL Road are 174 grams claimed weight. Cl
Only problem is it really tricky to fit those SPD-SL cleats in the time pedals ;)
SPD-SL the best clipless system ? Well after the Rim brake defense force, Disc death squad and chain wax mafia, we need an SPD-SL Gang 😎
do i spy with my leedle i new very white shoes?
Q factor looks bigger than 1mm
Good, narrow Q is just begging for injury.
Too fat for these pedals😢 I am 80kg an my bike is 6.2kg.
They are weight resticted 85kg. I am not happy with my Look pedal with 190g. Trying to get titanium spindles without weight restiction for Dura Ace pedals and try them next season. But they are always sold out
I understood it’s 85kg for the rider 🙄
Your bike is not on the pedals. Only you bud 😅
@@gavinmercak-dinolfo1375 yeah, but a lot of parts are weight restricted on system weight with bike and everything. I have to check this for the pedals. Really want SPD SL pedals.
4:29 clearly says rider weight - not system.
Yeah but what's the q factor?
upper of this Fizik shoes is very unsupportive/elastic
The best cleat system is Time's XPro 😉
DA is quite porky, even my Magped road2 are lighter😂
Shimano pedals, yes, they will weigh more... but they can last forever (or almost). I use the 7800 and 7900 on my 2 bicycles and they continue to work like they did on the first day.
bearings are shite
15:25 Using your eyes? Like a boomer? Just get some vernier calipers and measure it. 🙂
ex pedo