Square Enix Breaks Silence on Final Fantasy 16's "Failure"
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Despite many trying to do advanced calculus to spin Final Fantasy XVI as a sales failure, Square Enix has clarified that title has exceed expectations.
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The Final Fantasy that gets the most hate is always the newest one and FF16 is up to bat. No one hates final fantasy more than its own fans.
And this is 100% because of the nature of FF as a series, where each mainline entry being its own standalone “series” causes people to latch unto a favorite FF title to flex over others for some weird…internal media/personality validation issues.
Like man…you can like more than a single FF. It’s not a sin. Most FFs have great things about them, like I love FF6, FF7, FF9, and now FF16 and still find things to like about every main entry in some fashion. People craving for the “perfect” final fantasy are going to be hungry forever.
honestly i actually love this game lol
This been a “thing” since the 90’s. There was a sector of fans that hated on VII only because it wasn’t VI.
I feel like there's 2 types of people talking about this game you either absolutely hate it for personal preference, expections or worst of all because wah cutscenes (yes ive watched many people play the game and theres always a handful of people complaining during deep moments "ok but when is the gameplay") or the more reasonable take that I have its not perfect I have a couple things they coulda done better but those are nitpicks the game is fucking fantastic, I hope it sales well and it's a step in the right direction they did a great job
I actually loved FF15 but felt no type of way to 16. It was okay. I do acknowledge that we have not had a GOOD mainline FF launch since 12 and even that was a forgettable title. I feel like the series doesn't know its own identity anymore. I'm happy FF14 got the glowup it deserves but FF15 was incomplete and FF16 had underwhelming character development and the story suffered for it which was the opposite of FF15 - great characters, bad story.
I really wanted FF16 to do well. I even got the $400 collectors edition. I platinumed the game. It had so much more potential but I felt like I never got to know the characters or the world well enough outside of "bearers are tortured". I think if they included 2-3 hours of young Clive becoming branded and showing his enslavement and added better character animations for sidequests, we would have a better game. The fixes are actually pretty simple.
video aged like milk, enix pres says game didnt sell to expectation. stop shilling.
The game was amazing and we definitely need DLC. I'd even be more happy if they did FF16-2. I just feel like there is so much more to the world and characters in this game to explore.
I wouldn't like a XVI-2. And as for DLC... only prequel dlc.
The ending itself is rather perfect. Adn well, gameplay wise... it cannot be like the rest of this game.
Edit: If anything, I would like this world to be explored in a Final Fantasy Tactics game. Just as the original was later used in FFXII.
I’d definitely buy it.
There was nothing to explore in the actual game lmao let alone dlc or sequel
@@WritingGeekNLlike cid before he left Barnabas and finding torgal.
More leviathan lore would be a plus all they said is it was a lost eikon
Clive and the 13 years of being an imperial assassin?
We don't need a fucking sequel.
FF16 deserves all the success it gets! anyone who think this game failed in sales have no idea how economics work when it comes to games.
Somewhat in their defence, Square themselves have been idiots on this same issue.
Tomb Raider, 3.5 million - Failure
Sleeping Dogs, 2.5 million - Failure
FF16 - 3 million, literally right in the middle of both of those, success!
Personally i think all 3 are huge success stories, but square has some crazy and inconsistent expectations.
@@forsetigodofjusticeexcelle7506Sleeping Dogs was one of the best games I ever played
@@forsetigodofjusticeexcelle7506 Depends on the cost it needs to develop the said game.. A Normal Triple A title in current gen console like PS4/PC costs in average $80M-100M to develop (Marketing can increase that greatly)... So with that sales number it's technicallu "Ok-ish" number-wise...
FF16 definitely costs more than that (If you see the credit screen there's alot of people involved for this project and those people doesn't work for free.. So 3M sales while it's not a failure is "Okay-ish" as well..
@@forsetigodofjusticeexcelle7506From what I’ve read, there are things that need to be taken into account. I can’t speak for Sleeping Dogs, but I can speak for Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider sold ~4.2mil in 4 weeks, no? On a huge install base (125mil+ I think, can’t say for sure but it’s what I’ve read) due to it being multiplatform, while FFXVI sells 3 million in a week on one platform with an install base of something around what? Rounded up, 40 million? That’s why Tomb Raider is a failure compared to FFXVI, considering the sheer difference in install base. Also, there were probably different expectations for these games. Sleeping Dogs and Tomb Raider probably failed to meet SE’s expectations while FFXVI likely reached or exceeded their initial expectations. That’s just my insight, though.
@@nasaki4348 Yeah, the install potential based purely off total consoles sold plays a roll, but Square putting so much weight on that figure alone isn't giving them accurate expectations.
They are seeing things like "This game should sell to at least 20% of all people who own the machines to play it"
This means PC + both console releases, like Tomb Raider will always have idiotic expectations (I think they wanted 20 million for Tomb Raider? don't quote me on that :P)
They don't take into account many people own both consoles and I would put a safe bet on most people own either a PS5/Switch/Xbox on top of a PC.
Very few people buy the same game on 3 platforms just to see differences, so it makes no sense for them to measure off the total install base for multi platform releases.
This FF16 being above average for total install base is due to PS5 being hard to get for years, but it's now easy to get them, so lots of people bought a PS5 for the first time just to play FF16.
"With 38 million ps5 shipped globally" 98% of them went to scalpers.
The fact that the game has done so well with a smaller install base and it being a time where money can be pretty tight for alot of people, FF16 sales should be looked at as a big success, not a failure.
i guess all the sales were from people like me. 8 years since the last FF mainline came out. The moment it got released, i immediately bought a Plash Speed 5 bundle with the game and dove right into it. And damn am i disappointed. I don't think i will ever fire it up again for another playthrough thinking about all the chores the quests were with no payout in feels from any of it.
@@nicholasong2892 nah not all sales were from people like you.
It's not a success bro. And they hard coping
@@villaniousmustache4898 The only people coping are guys like you who can't accept a world where 16 is a success. What's wrong? Upset it's not on Xbox? Upset it's not turn based? Why can't you people accept that maybe, just maybe, 16 is a financial success? What's going on in your head, chief?
@@villaniousmustache4898get the fuck outta, they are announcing it worldwide and you think they are lying!? I like to see what the shareholders will say that square enix lie to them worldwide basically. People really don't understand this type of things.
congrats Square Enix. RIP Barry.
Barry Stilson?
I'll say the people spinning this drivel are the same people mad that the game isn't turn-based or an "RPG".
They don't give af about the game selling whatever, they're mad the game isn't like every other game or "NOT my FF" lmao.
you know it's a true FF game when the fanbase behaves like this lmfao
It’s cringe af dude tbh. I feel ashamed of being a ff fan
Remember when FF7 and 9 first came out? Boy it looks like we went back to the witch hunt age back then
@@fulnaz3164 wait what? People were witch hunting back in the day? 😕
This was my first FF and I loved it. Currently playing it all over again on FF difficulty.
Just keep in mind if you go to other FF titles to not expect the same type of general gameplay/atmosphere. This one for the most part stepped outside of it's normal boundaries.
@@jacetheace849 I am aware of that. Thanks anyway!
@@Riorozen That's a good way of saying "I'm broke"
@@paulfu8894I have the money. I just don't buy trash.
25hours of cutscenes, then ff mode, I just skipped the cutscenes same rotations.
Shiva/rebirth/ra/stick/flare etc
The FF fan base has had trolls hoping each game would fail for years. And I'm 100% sure that 99% of these people are not actually fans.
Imagine wanting something to fail so bad you go out of your way to publicly tarnish it?
The console war has become ridiculously toxic in the last few years. I am certain most of the negativity against this game are from Xbox fanboys who are pissed it is an exclusive.
*cough* *cough* The Little Mermaid Remake 🤡🤡🤡
@@FaQUE-hg5tlbruh it’s time to grown up everything is slowly becoming new gen and the console isn’t over priced anymore and
@@FaQUE-hg5tl don't like the "keeping it for one overpriced console" argument.
I mean...
1. PS5 isn't expensive anymore. It was for the most of her time. But now it's fair. It's a normal console price.
2. Uhm... How much games aren't on PS ? Just talking about BASED Playstation game like Personas and Final Fantasy's titles ? Oh, yes. Almost EVERY one. There's more games not available on Playstation consoles than games not available on PC/XBOX.
3. PS4 was already spitting blood with GOW Ragnarok. FF16 was promised to be "the game who would push ps5 to it's maximum". And it's true. A PS4 could NEVER survive FF16.
I mean... That's just facts. I have a PS5, a PC and even a Switch. So the kid war of who's better doesn't interest me (not telling it's interesting to you, just stating my point). But this exclusivity drama is so point pointless and is just babies crying imo. I mean... 6 MONTHS of exclusivity. I know there'll be time after the 6 months before the game launch outside of PS, but it's still ONLY 6 months. In the past, this was YEARS.
People need to stop crying. That's all.
@@FaQUE-hg5tl Why are people angry about exclusives? They have been a basic reality of video games since the nes.
PC gamers will get the game. I am certain of that. Just like every PS game, it will take about 2 years. No reason to get irrationally angry considering PC gamers should be used to waiting for ports.
Xbox won't get FF16 because Sony bankrolled the game. I didn't expect PS to get Bayonetta 3 because I knew Nintendo paid for that game's development. It's a pretty common practice in video games and it has been around for decades.
The game just plain couldn't run on a PS4. Period. It has been 3 years since PS5 launched and the PS4 is 10 years old. People have to understand that tech moves on.
For what you get PS5 isn't overpriced and has never been. I read a recent article where they built a PC with the closest specs they could get to a PS5. They still couldn't match the price point. It is closer to what it was last year, but PS5 is still a great bang for your buck.
Taking inflation into account, PS5 launched at almost the exact same price as PS1. $300 in 1994 equals to roughly $520 in 2020.
The haters are basically saying this "I hate FFXVI therefore it did not sell well"
Square said it didn’t meet financial expectations lol. Y’all gotta stop the fan boying !
@@YT2ExE it’s cause the jig is up they can’t make a good game. At least not the forever quality. Every release the illusion goes more. And FF7R was their haymaker. And they whiffed.
Anyone with basic accounting and finance literacy can understand why Square thinks that even if we don't have all the numbers but people saying "I don't believe them" just don't understand.
Between "not my FF" deranged fans and Xbox fanboys and bad faith journo articles the game has been a real punching bag, it sucks because it drowns any real conversation to have about it .
It's also so story heavy anyone who is still playing is more or less radio silent on it to try to avoid spoilers. Leaving only a well of negativity from haters who aren't even playing it.
@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yuagree on this. When I am still playing, I nevet click any ffxvi related video because I didnt want to spiled myself
You perfectly recognized the mix of toxic "FF fans", Sony haters and clickbait-journalists shouting about this and trying to imply that it is a failure! Thank you!
Let's keep in mind here as well that Squeenix is well known for having extremely high standards when it comes to sales. So if THEY are satisfied with FFXVI's numbers, then that's a big W right there on its own. And yeah, those comparisons shown in the vid here really make you scratch your head as to why people are trying to say FFXVI failed at all. Clearly it's doing great, and will more than likely continue to sale well.
Just wait until it comes to PC too. I'm personally buying day one (barring any porting/optimization issues).
They probably had much bigger expectations but I feel Yoshi P has soothed them and made them take something called perspective into account.
@@aytony4090Given Yoshida was the producer and responsible to budgeting, I would say that Yoshida's perspective is the most important in the matter.
The brand help them SELL. Continues sucess Quality is Key.
This still feels hollow playing, and Copypaste npcs.
I feel disapointet.
Only the story drives me forward. The custumization and also limited weapon craft use brings it down.
The exciment for going forward levling up is goone.
FF wasnt like this before, good examples is FFX, Ff9 and 7. they made me excited
@@jantoxen that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I've played it on a friend's PS5 and loved the majority of it so far, hence why I'm picking it up on PC. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean the brand is all that made it successful. But you sound like someone who will just argue your own opinion into infinity, so I'm not gonna waste anymore time talking to you.
I love Valisthea. I didn't think I would love a FF world as much as Ivalice, but Valisthea is so rich in its history and defined culture that I just want more. I want to know what exists beyond Storm and Ash. Like Arya Stark once said, what's west of Westeros?
That's exactly what I feel. Most FF games get you invested in the story but not many get you invested in the world. XVI did an amazing job of setting up the world and dragging the players in.
I highly suggest you to play FFXIV. Its world is unrivaled. And ShB and EW expansions are the best story I have ever experienced in gaming by far, even though the base game ARR is a bit slow.
@@PetarBladeStrok I've been playing FFXIV since 2019, so I am fully immersed in Eorzea. But I also consider MMOs their own beast.
🤮
@@stephendavis6267no not eorzea, please try shadowbringers, you’re gonna like it more than ff16
I see final fantasy 16 as a good game and a successful one too. The game sold 3 millions in just a week after all. To me it is a good game already. However I only have one gripe with it. It is a adventure game rather than a RPG game and it is also a single character final fantasy game instead of a multi party character game which is rare for the final fantasy franchise.
In the proper number named series it is the only game to be single character.
A few rpg elements short possibly but other than that it still is very good and faithful to the FF Eikon lore for this title
Oh the game does let you have a 4 person party.. Right at the end after doing all the side quests before the final part of the game. .. When there's nothing left to do
"In the proper number named series it is the only game to be single character."
Did you know that in the series there has only been one game that had five in-battle party members? Or one game with a EXP system based on genuine experience? Or only one game that has no chocobos or cid? Or the only game with a trilogy of games?
Do you see why this argument is pointless? Every mainline game is different and has something unique.
@@Johnboy6346
You could literally hold off from doing any hunts and do them all by the end.
But it makes the game a little too easy to have other party members besides Torgal.
@@WritingGeekNL don't make excuses for the game, I might have done that had I known I would have 4 party members at the end, but the game gave zero indication of that so why would anyone think to do that, and it even has you fight the final battle without torgal, who's been with you throughout the whole game... So many baffling design decisions
Bloomberg and Ign 4:13 need to stop and shut the hell up ff 16 is a massive success and will continue to be so
The game was phenomenal. The only gripe I have is the shallow itemization and equipment.
That sucks to hear. I haven't played yet but those RPG elements are my favorite part of the series. Hopefully the magic, summons, and skill advancement make up for it!
@@shatterlss7814I agree with the equipment gripe. However, I wonder if it was so dry because of how intricate the Eikon system is. Seeing what works with what was pretty fun and actually took some time in the lab to find some comfy synergy.
I actually like the limitations on equipment.... makes it more thoughtful on what you go to battle with. In old FF games, id have like 99 potions and 99 hi potions and 50 elixirs ...lol.. Id never lose. 16 makes potions and hi potions/elixers and such more valuable. Especially with no cure/cura/curaga spells. I literally never had a game over in 15 because of this.
@@shatterlss7814dude trust me the game is so much fun. Idk if u like hack & slash games but the combat is awesome. Beating the living s*** out of your enemies never felt so satisfying
I like the game. I really hope they don’t follow the same direction for future entries, but i still like it.
Bro that's exactly how I feel. No ff is the same, and while this isn't my fave by far, it's great that so many people really love it.
It's so much more appealing to me personally that the series changes in design a lot with each new entry. Sure, some turn out more fun than others in the end, but especially with sizeable JRPGs, no matter how good the story is I do not want to be playing another behemoth with almost identical mechanics.
I see the FFVII R combat style as the path forward. Its the perfect compromise between action and turn based. That being said I love all combat styles so XVI was a lot of fun for me. I had no biases going in.
@@NabsterHax i honestly think thats the series biggest detriment. "jack of all trades, master of none" vibes. They need to really stick with something for AT LEAST three games so they can improve the formula. its the same as a chef just tossing out a good dish after plating it just to start over again
@@Eversoul12 Well, I disagree pretty strongly. I think there's room for expanding upon existing systems in direct sequels. FF13-2 was a very nice refinement on FF13 for example, but for mainline titles I genuinely don't want to pick up the game and feel like I've played basically it before, but just this time the story is different.
I get why some fans want the game to fail. It's dramatically more focused on story and fast paced action, but these fans seem to have a certain degree of delusion, because final fantasy 7 remake and 15, were already focusing on high paced action during their times. After final fantasy 10, the combat became action focused, and story has always been a focus. Not to forget that final fantasy has been fairly linear since the 10nth one. If you give final fantasy 16 a chance, it's not flawless, but it has some of the best storytelling and characters in the series by the time you reach the mid way point. I mean, the battles grow increasingly epic and majestic, and themes like incest, and sex, blood and gore, are a mind-blowing introduction to final fantasy. Let's just say that final fantasy 16 is never going to make it into kingdom hearts 4. It's way too M rated for kingdom hearts.
This video is such a breath of fresh air, it is all these turn base or die gamers that want nothing more than for this game to fail because they are afraid this type of gameplay is the future. I do think they can definitely make some improvements if they decide to pursue this style moving forward (ie better gearing system, and less but better side quests)
I'm not "turn based or die," but I also don't want this to be the future of the series. I kind of want the future of the series to be, you know, roleplaying games, and I say that as someone who generally enjoyed 16.
I just want them to craft the GAME better. I thought the story was mostly fine, but the gameplay doesnt feel polished on a macro level. Each individual piece is serviceable, but nothing works well together. The lack of variety of ANY kind is a huge blemish too. I prefer action games, but this level of game design definitely isnt the level that should be accepted as a "masterpiece" when there are spin offs within the same franchise that have more depth and better design.
@@Eversoul12 to each their own but I completely disagree with you. The game has flaws, sure but not to the degree you are making it sound. They can definitely make more meaningful side quests with much better rewards, find awesome gear that cannot be crafted or purchased making side quests / exploration more worth it, higher difficulty for experienced players and some permanent party members. Other than what I just described, I see nothing wrong with the game. These are all just knit picks in my opinion too because I absolutely loved the game. I hope they make more games in the franchise like this with just some small tweaks to take it to the next level.
@@S.O.G13 end game, u make joshua and jill permanent thru side quests
Some of the side quests are fetch type and I get that. But they still at least did a really good job on some of the additional stuff that you could easily miss out on. You telling me you didn't love the side quests with Torgal?!
"no! meh turn based gone!" meanwhile turn based games keep releasing and those same people keep ignoring them there are 10 trails games all turn based, but nobody cares...
I'm certain a lot of these people are just phonies who don't care about jrpgs in general, turn-based or not. There probably a few FF fans who are stuck in the 90s, but there really can't be that many of them since FF hasn't been turn based for a very long time. Rather, I'm pretty sure most of the negativity is coming from Xbox fanboys who couldn't GAF about FF and just want more ammo for the stupid console war.
Also Octopath Traveler 2 is there.
8% of ps5 user have bought FFXVI so far, if ps5 will sell like 100 million it could mean 7-8 million copies on console alone.
People who are hating this game are either the most purist FF fans or the WOKE crowds who aren't even "fans" to begin with. Regardless what people say, 3.4 million sold copies in a week is a guarantee that SE already made their money back from production, probably already made quite a profit, especially with console exclusive deal with Sony that could easily range to 100-150 million USD alone.
At this point you just have to ignore those haters because they obviously don’t know what there talking about and base their facts off of pure hate for this new tittle to fail
@@foxmccloud6438 wait r u implying that I’m one of those things? Or are you just saying that those people are the worse?
I genuinely don't understand the negativity towards this game. It is hands down GOTY for me. My second favorite FF of all time, the first being FF9. (This is coming from a FF fan) I'd understand not liking the game if you don't like the FF series.
Lifelong fan here. Currently playing hard mode. I did all side quests on first playthrough. I found most of them to be very poor and so im skipping all of them on my second playthrough and just powering through the main campaign so i can experience the boss fights again.
They didnt develop enough gameplay mechanics in my opinion. The overall gameplay loop isnt there. Even a devil may cry game has some hidden items in the stages and you have to use some of your abilities to find them. In devil may cry 3 for example you even have to replay stages youve completed with newer abilities in order to find hidden stages or upgrades. Its not much but at least it's something to keep you on the lookout while figuring out where to go.
I was someone who was not bothered by this being a single party member game, but now that ive played it, ive felt that the lack of RPG elements and party management has really been missing for me in this game. I don't think it was the right design choice in the end. Even just more interaction and customization with Torgal might have been enough with a few more complex systems on top, because then that would have trickled down into the itemization and perhaps some puzzle solving like in ff10, where torgal could help clive get through the world.
They put all their eggs in the combat and voice acting basket and left too much behind in my opinion.
@@off-meta-michael I see what you mean, and you're right. I also skipped a huge chunk of sidequest cutscenes, I only cared for the ones the main characters give you.
In my case, I enjoyed that they kept things simple and that there weren't a lot of bullshit mechanics I had to learn to play the game.
I was craving for a good FF story with incredible music, memorable characters and top notch voice acting. I got what I wanted from this game and it made me really happy.
This game reminded me a lot of Xenoblade Chronicles 1 too, which is also one of my favorite games of all time.
@@angeloo.8199 yea, what it does well, it really nails. No question. I think it's not what i expected though, and to be fair God of War has more RPG elements in it than this final fantasy game and i think that's kinda the wrong move for the franchise.
It sold more in its first week than God of War. A title that leads the charge in driving up Playstation consoles sold. Sounds like a pretty big win for Final Fantasy. That demo was a very smart move on their part. I've heard so many people say they weren't going to play a Final Fantasy until they tried the demo and it completely sold them on the game.
Personally, I pre-ordered my copy way back when they announced it was available for preorder back at The Game Awards last year lol. Hope everyone had a blast playing this!
Ragnarok sold 5 million in 3 days. It's on PS4/PS5. Come on now....Ragnarok already has 10 MILLION in just a few months.
This game was a full on masterpiece imo. Its tied with 7 and 10 for best in the series for me personally.
Agree
Along with FF14 and FF9.
@@aoto8897 I don't count the online games as part of the main series but yes FFXIV is fantastic, even if I can't play it because I don't have the ability to stay as committed as I want to. As for 9, I mean I liked it but it just isn't one of the epics imo. It was a nice little nod to Sakaguchi's earlier medevil story telling, but it wasn't his masterpiece even if he wants it to be. His masterpiece was 7 and always will be.
The design, setting and gameplay was never my cup of tea from the jump... but people who desperately want it to fail are so weird. They don't realize that they are part of the toxic stan culture they claim to hate.
People wanted it to fail because they wanted vindication for the months of endless bullshit that they were spreading that the game would flop because it was a PS5 exclusive or because it's not turn-based. And the delusional hope that if it would indeed fail, SE would go back to the drawing board and revert to turn-based for the next entry and make it multiplatform day one.
Now that the sales numbers and reviews have proven them wrong, backed up by the (usually hard to please) publisher saying they consider the sales "extremely strong", they have to come to terms with the fact that not only were they utterly wrong but also that the direction SE took with 16 (exclusivity deals, action combat, maybe even stuff like the M rating and English-led performances) is likely here to stay for the franchise's future.
@@danissaryThat's exactly what it is
@@Riorozenyou clearly are stupid beyond belief and the worst of it is you are trying to look smart without realizing the most important thing here... shareholder's doesn't mixed well with worldwide lie...
After getting the platinum i can confirm that this game is truly amazing, a must have Final Fantasy.
Did u get the ultima weapon too?
@@soku330 yes!
I'm finding the second playthrough a bit underwhelming. I'm skipping almost all side quests, hunts, cutscenes. Three trophies to go + Ultima Weapon, but the gameplay pacing, lack of combat difficulty, and inane fetch quests become increasingly difficult to overlook on the second playthrough. The story, political intrigue, and characters hold it together well during the first run though.
I wish people would just say what they don't like about the game instead of making up stories about sales which they know nothing about. Personally I was disappointed by FFXVI it was a 7/10 for me imo but I hope the team get a second chance at making an FF game and learn from this game's shortcomings.
Agreed, main story was a 9/10 for me but the side content brought it down to a 7. Boring quests, pointless crafting, copy and paste monster hunts
@@Johnboy6346 Personally in addition to what you said I loved the characters but felt they could've been explored further & some needed more development / screen time. Also this game needs way more in-game dialogue between party members. Maybe they can have a DLC or update the game to a more complete edition like FFXV Royal
7/10 is just about right. Story is pretty good, but there’s so much lacking in regards to rpg elements. “Crafting” is pointless, each weapon is the same, no elemental effects and weaknesses/buffs
@@soiralknarf I agree again, felt the game used the active story lore thing as a crutch to fill in the story gaps and character development, instead of showing us character development they had us read about it
@@Johnboy6346 So....ff12?
Imagine being such a bitter person that you have to hope for a game's downfall as if you've got nothing better to do with your life.
Xbox fans and turn-based losers are pathetic.
The cope is real with the Yoshi sycophants, I love the guy and FF14 but 16 is just not a FF game but in name only. Time will not be kind to this game once the recency bias and cope diminishes. Game is bang average.
Typical FF story as of late, starts off strong and proceeds to fall off a cliff.
This game is really just DMC with some FF characters. Theres no soul this thing. This is not a FF game. Watching the story is the same as watching paint dry. 😅
They say "Final fantasy need a new mechanic, following market" I don't get it, turn based is unique and match final fantasy for several years. Why did they say it?
Turn based is not relevant? Look persona look shin megami tensei, they keep on hold the turn based.
In worthless gacha game like honkai starrail is using turn based. What is wrong with final fantasy development?
To be fair, SE were supposed to release the 1 month sales figures 2 weeks ago and have been stalling. They've been releasing no actual sales data, at all, while continuing to claim it's selling amazingly well.
They also lied about how many PS5's were out at the time of the game's launch by using PS5 sales figures from 3 months prior to the game's release. There were close to 41 million PS5's sold at launch. (That 38.5 figure was from March.)
I, in full honestly, believe their hype news regarding sales, while refusing to release the 1 month sales figures, is a marketing scheme. Trying to keep people in the dark about how poorly it's doing and make them believe it's selling really well, in order to keep people intrigued about it.
I've been hearing tons (and I mean tons) of rumors from people inside the industry that it still hasn't reached 4 million copies sold yet. I've heard this from dozens of people who are typically always right about insider gaming stuff.
If this is indeed the case then it sold worse than FF7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13 and 15 when adjusted for Playstation consoles sold at the time of each game's launch. The only one that launched on xbox also was 15, and only 15% of sales for that game were on xbox so all those xbox consoles out at the time don't hold anywhere near as much weight in regards to sales. You need to compare the sales figures for each game's Playstation release because that's where the existing FF community resides. There's simply not much of a fanbase, at all, on xbox for FF. If you look at PS4 sales (only) for FF15, it absolutely decimated 16 by nearly twice as many copies sold after week 1.
And the fact that everyone is disingenuously comparing FF15's day 1 sales to FF16's week 1 sales should tell you something right there. FF15 was well over 6M at the end of week 1 (it surpassed 5M on day 1 due to pre-orders), and FF16 was at 3.1M at the end of day 7 (it broke the 3M mark on day 6). PS4 sales alone for FF15 were at 5M at the end of week 1 with 81% of sales for that week being on PS4 (and that percentage increased over time).
I could've waited for this bad boy to drop on pc but i got a PS5 to play it early 🥲 my game of the year! And will be buying it again on pc!!
I saw quite a few of "these" sales fails articles and videos around including several one Facebook, on one someone far more savvy than I looked up and posted the sales statistics for Final Fantasy games going back to like 7 or 8; basically each ever one had a sales drop after the first week of 86-93%. I wouldn't be calling FF10 or FF7 failures, even the less critically acclaimed games such as 12 and 13 sold like gangbusters, with the exception of the disaster that was 14 1.0, the games do well and make SE a LOT of money. 16's sales dropping 91% after the first week isn't some disaster it's predictable behavior after the primary buying rush of a game releasing, and something each and every one of it's myriad siblings have done.
If Square has a problem with the sales of their big expensive games perhaps mono-platform was not a good idea after all? The Switch - a handheld console almost everyone has in Japan is a more lucrative investment than a console such as the ps5 few own.
Keep in mind too there is a PC release on the way so that will mean even more sales
I don't understand why people actively wanted it to fail.... FFXV was not as a bad as people made it out to be, they learned from their mistakes and put out a good product. Why would you want it to sell poorly when there is still one more FF7R title that needs to be made...
FFXV was definitely a better game than its reputation suggests. It was just incomplete. But I think it has the best summon/eikon designs of any FF game (including this one), the party characters are all excellent, the villain is one of the best in the franchise, and I really love its lore and mythology. But because it was the victim of an ill-advised multimedia rollout and a fraught production schedule, it suffers for it. But I think the Royal Edition specifically is a really good game.
That said, I do wish they'd given Lunafreya and especially Aranea more to do.
Failure would "hopefully" force them to return to a more familiar formula. When I play an action RPG I expect a moderate challenge and plenty of difficulty options to tune that challenge to my skill level. Having platinumed Nioh 1 and 2, Nier Automata, Assassins Creed Origins, Odyssey, Valhalla, God of War 2018, Ragnarök and countless other Action RPG's this is the only one where I never died. Final Fantasy mode is a complete joke, and even if it turned out to be the challenge I was hoping for I still would have been disappointed that it was locked behind NG+, every other game I listed presents a respectable difficulty option to players in the base game. Im just 1 person with 1 preference, Im sure others have different opinions, but for me this type of final fantasy has no place for me. Its just some game ill play when I have nothing else to play because I can count on Square writing a story worth experiencing. Im not sure what direction is right, but for me its a sick feeling to enjoy Atelier Ryza 3 more than a new final fantasy game.
@@coolguy48457 I don't think the Final Fantasy franchise has ever been classified as an Action RPG. They started as Turn Based RPGs. Going into a FF game with the expectation that it's going to be like Nier or Assassins Creed, of course you're not going to enjoy it because it's a completely different kind of game. You're making a false equivalency.
@@CVIIILIN_21 "You dont think" is a key phrase, Square went through great lengths in both marketing and interviews to explicitly state that Final Fantasy 16 is an "Action RPG" so thats really not up for debate. I also never stated that the Franchise previous entries fit cleanly into the genre. Its been a slow shift if anything. The intention was to appeal to players who play the very type of games I listed, for me personally they failed to deliver the core things I look for in the Action side of the RPG genre. This is not an attack on the game, this is not me saying its bad, or a failure...Its simply me being sad that Final Fantasy no longer appeals to me as a must play franchise.
FF15 sold faster due to better marketing for the game. But who honestly thinks FF15 is the best in the series
FINAL FANTASY XVI KEEPS WINNING, BABYYYY ❤❤🎉🎉🎉
Honestly, the further i get in the game, and i come across elements i don’t like, i still find myself enjoying and respecting the game all the more. It’s too easy to buckle down on biases and preconceived ideas/experiences about what a Final Fantasy title SHOULD be rather than what a new and unique experience CAN be.
The game was a 6/10.
Accurate
I really not understanding why people care so much about sales numbers for a single player game you either like the game or you don't other people buying has no impact on your game at all, unless you are a shareholder in the company none of this should matter
Wait a minute... sales dropping on Week 2 is a failure?? In what world is that a failure for a singleplayer game?
If it was the average F2P game with micro transactions, the DAU drop on 2nd week would be considered a "dead game" by most.
This all boils down to the simple notion that sales dropping, in this case, means there's less people that still need to buy it, and it's the case for most singleplayer games.. I've yet to see the logic of the failed game.
It's baffling to me how supposed "fans" of a series could actively wish for a games downfall, just because it dared to try something different...especially in a series where they're ALWAYS trying something different. I haven't even played XVI yet and I think it looks great! I hope it continues to sell and go on to help bolster whatever the hell XVII is going to be :)
3 million copies in a week for a game that’s only available on ONE SYSTEM…. Lolololololololol. Anyone who’s being negative about it, it’s just about being negative for the sake of it. Lol
I can’t wait for them to release the PC version and finally shuts the haters up >.>
Another awful Japanese pc port 😂
@@bryanc7094 awful or not it’s still gonna be a bump in sales. People will still buy it.
It may take a while for the PC port, because of the optimization and other factors.
Final Fantasy XVII should be action-based as well, and they need to get the lady who wrote Shadowbringers to write the game's scenario.
70% of active PSplus users are still happily playing their PS4s. Most of the people I know with PS5s only use them for COD and fortnite. The illusion of success is shallow at best. If anything Square has lowered their expectations, if you assume they're telling the truth. The only reason they're entertaining the idea of DLC is because they desperately need everyone who bought it to spend more money.
Remember, it was only sold on PS5. Who knows how well it would have been sold on ALL platforms.
Sony paid for FF 16 developement, that is why is an exclusive.
In my humble opinion, the only reason why it sold well is because people are curious and others are too lazy to play the old FF gameplay where you had to think and use you brain. FF16 is too easy.
Sure 😮
The situation with this game and the internet made me decide to abandon social media for good... ALL this nonsense is really not for me.
I played the game and i love It.
I've almost played all FF games. I'm an old fan and THIS title is the best one in my point of view. I was really surprised for the overall quality and amazing story. I want more mature FF series. Thank you square enix. DLC/Movie? You got my money.
This is definitely the most epic, dramatic beautiful ff! These clowns don’t know how to make accurate comparisons. Ff15 dropped on ps4 with 100M+ consoles, on Xbox and pc. 16 came out to 30m units on one platform and is rated M making it not available for sale to minors.
I'm in a place where I think people's criticism is valid but i don't think that criticism overshadows the good points. I hope Final Fantasy 16-2 or DLC is a thing and the series builds upon the framework set up on FF16. I think about final fantasy 6 as the culmination of the first five games development. I hope as we see the stagger system and the action gameplay we build upon ff7r system ff13 and ff15 as we go forward.
My favorite part about this is that i have been seeing a lot more ppl flocking back to FFXV 😊🎉
Is it? I got a lot of gamers shitting on FFXV and praised this game on my favorite UA-camr channel.And some of them turn into rabies when I say I like FFXV more than XVI😂😂.
I get that the game isn't for everyone and that it has some understandable critiques, its not a prefect game by any stretch but the sheer frevor some have to tarnish it and put it down coming from some is just downright weird. There's understandable critiques, but there's also been some of the strangest...most out there bad faith take aways I've seen in a while and now this stuff with spinning the sales.
It's just bizarre, some people just really have it out for this game to a bizarre degree.
But NSP, haters gonna hate. It is amazing how much people wanna hate bc either they like drama or bc they think somehow this will somehow help the franchise by showing SE they went the wrong direction w this game. I wish people would just either play it or not without actively looking for ways/reasons for it to fail. So much time and love was clearly put into this game with a respect for the franchise and fan base while trying to push the boundaries of what FF can be.
So you want millions of fans to stop telling a game developer what kind of game they want to buy? All of us sitting here playing games like Atelier Ryza and Legend of heroes because they filled the gap Final Fantasy left behind. Square has always made whatever they felt like making, but there will come a time when a significant slice of the fanbase is no longer happy to get final fantasy 1-6 sympathy remasters thrown at them every 5 years. I think square is underestimating how many disgruntled fans buy modern final fantasy games out of loyalty alone, once that shit runs out they will be left to survive on whatever new fans they have cultivated.
@@coolguy48457there is a reason the series hasn't been turn based in over 20 years. You said millions wants tune based!? You are delusional, they know turn based games don't sell millions of copies for them to be consider a franchise in it. The only exception to this rule is persona 5 and that game rerealaesed like 11 times with different editions to get to that point. There is a reason why this been going on 20 years and it will go on simply because the % who prefer turn based is so small compare to what they can gain from existing and news fans. You don't want to hear this but as a company they will sacrifice that small % for the overall bigger % they get from new styles and sadly whether you want it or not they will keep sacrificing those smaller audiences to gain bigger audiences and it's working for them with F7R and this one and most likely with F7R2.
@@user-pv5tp7zk4s do your research, final fantasy was selling nearly 10 million units as a turn based game...they actually started messing with the genre at thier peak...and these action variants that are supposed to market to a larger audience somehow cant match the sales of the past...which is ironic given the old games were all on 1 console and 13 and 15 were multiplatform. You dont underatand how many people still buy this game despite not caring for the direction, probably half of all sales are old fans that prefer the older games but still think the new ones are decent enough to buy...that might not always be the case. This isnt even a turn based convorsation, its more about the lack of meaningful RPG elements in a game calling itself an RPG...i loves the Tales of series...very much an action RPG...but it respects my time...offers meaningful world exploration and playstyle diversity through its cast of party members.. ff16 may as well just be a generic character action game...the rpg mechanics were an afterthought...literally a NES era equipment system with the most generic possible bonuses that offer zero player utility...i mean really...flat stat bonuses potion boost...and very small cooldown reduction and damage increase to skills...its a joke. When this game feels like a okay RPG its already too late...im not waiting til NG+ to master skills and finally play how I want....thats piss poor game design to balance around a second playthrough.
@@coolguy48457 You think that I don't like turn based games, well I have play legend of heroes from sky to trails to the new one that Im currently playing. I have play FF 1-6, I am sestuna, lost sphear, persona games, soul hackers, devil summoners, otocpach traveler, diofield chronicles, omega quintent, dark fairy fencer series, neptunia, wild arms, disgaea, and bunch more on ps3 and psp era. I basically only play JRPG and yes sadly I admit most those games that I just mentioned haven't sold even 500,000 copies and sadly this companies are going by revenue and engagement nowadays that's why you got ffxvi because it has the potential of title like GOW to sold millions and to keep selling because of the wider audience it can reach. I think the best combat for the series if they want to keep a style of turn based is what f7r did with their combat. Square will not stop releasing games like octopatch traveler fan, Turn based games will always exist it just that nowadays they aren't the norm anymore.
People forget that attach rate matters. XVI is comparable to TotK attach rate.
Then look at the gross. That's 3 million at $70, not counting deluxe (which sold a ton) and CE, so over 210 million USD.
Ff16 was amazing screw these damn critics
Ff16 is a masterpiece. Simple as that. The side quests were boring but it's the story inside those side quests that tie you in with valisthea
I love the story so much I haven’t loved a FF story since 10
I’m so glad ff16 is doing well and I hoped it continues to succeed. Hopefully we can see some DLC in the future.
Hell no. Damn I miss time when u pay the whole game and not buying game piece by piece.
@@totalstrangerthing7419 you are tracking you can play the whole game of ff16 without buying the dlc right? DLC is just extra for players that want more content in a game they enjoy.
I honestly think a lot of people don't want a new ff to steal their fav ff's thunder. So it's okay if it succeeds later, but for launch, it better not outshine my fav! Or something to that effect.
This nft company will soon disappear.
No cute waifus just some godawful angry dude slashing his sword, this game has no soul
Let's be honest, anyone can talk about squareenix finances, but unless you are a squareenix employee you wouldn't really know, would you? If they said is a success, is a success! Also, do not forget that sony must have paid for FF7R and FFXVI exclusivity
FF16 is doing as good as it can for a $500+ console exclusive. I do hope the PC port isn't trash like FF7R still is but given it runs bad on the PS5 I have no hopes.
I do not get it. We are in a second golden age of FF games IMHO with FF16/FF7R/FF14 and we still have all this division in the same fanbase. People who only like FF7R wanting this game to fail, but do not get me wrong, when FF7R releases there will be FF16 stans who will do the same.
Once again, people just wanna ruin shit for others.
It’s those bots
I bought a PS5 just for this game. These people are just mad
I do not understand the hate behind this game. It was great. Phenomenal. The story? Top notch. The combat? Fast-paced and addictive. The visuals? Well, I don't think I've ever SEEN such a beautiful game. Heck, it's no wonder the frame rate drops; there's so much going on I'd be surprised if it didn't.
Clear example of recency bias
@@SILVERONIN Could you elaborate? I mean, my favorite in the series remains the original FF7, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying this.
It’s so interesting how everyone - and I include a bunch of media outlets - wants to bring this game down. I don’t get it.
Technically FFX is the best selling FF game(counting the FFX/X2 remaster)
I preordered Final Fantasy 16 and completely regret it. If anyone can tell me why they like it so much, I would love to hear it, Honestly.😎🤙
It's fun😊
With the way they milked all the FF15 DLC, once I beat 16, I'm just gonna wait for the Ff16 Ultima Royale With Cheese Edition in a year or two.
Ff16 is the first ff since 13 i played. I dont like ff game mechanics. This ff is mass appealing and the right way for the future.
Mt only complaint about ff16 is that the battles have enemies too tabky for the style of comvat, with humans tanking more than doing human-things, like blocking and evading.
Only reason why people wanna see this game fail is "BeCaUsE iTs NoT tUrN bAsEd". I heard that same compalint with FF7R and yet it was a HUGE success but was never called a failed game... but here we are in FF16 with 3mil copies sold and its considered a failure. FF fans are mostly hypocrites. Changed my mind
I am curious about game budgets. The sale figures on their own mean nothing,
Nobody's obligated to like FF16. But to judge it for what it isn't, rather than what it is (a straight up cinematic character action title - something Yoshi-P has alluded to, years before launch), is frankly, weird. It's like if FF17 turned out to be a racing game or FPS, then judging it as a turn based RPG, of course you're not gonna enjoy it.
Having finished FF16, the worst part of it is it's wwaaayyy too easy (even with no auto dodge, no auto attack talismans). And I'm no pro or anything, just some rando. And kinda unrealistic to expect players to finished the game once to get to the "REAL" game as intended (Final Fantasy mode aka Hard mode).
Game needs an optimization. Graphics are worse than FF 7 Remake. Team can't optimize games, such losers. We live in 2023.
Final Fantasy games are not the same anymore, they’ve lost their “fantasy”. Bring back ATB turn-based combat and get rid of action combat. FF15 and 16 are not as good as 7,8,9 and 10, bring that style back. Just my personal opinion.
Ok 👌
Kinda agree. FF used to set trend, now it's not. I say for one game let's just go back to being fantasy and cut the realistic stuff out. Bring back building a world, culture, tons of race with their own language. Establish a good rpg with lively town and good side quest. Bring back classic Nobuo track and enough of the rock and souls like opera.
You got me with the title. I am so glad that is doing really great. I been trying not to see too much, because I am going to buy PS5 this Christmas and I am going to buy FF16 so I want to enjoy it without any spoilers and play while I wait for FF7 rebirth to come out.
I’m reminded of how many fans fucking HATED final fantasy 13, and it low key was one of the better Final Fantasy games 👀
Yeah 13 is an easy 9/10 game with 13-2 being even better but for some weird reason people hate on them.
Bruh FF 16 was A Maze ihn the dark story line for a change was coordinated amazingly it was all dark and death consistently throughout the game till the very end even the side quests were all voiced each sub character had their own roles fully developed into the story in my opinion as one of the older generation of gamers that been playing since ff1 to the spin offs to the main game my loved never swayed but with ff 16 it was such a 180 that the freshness and life it brought stepping outside of the real of norm for mainline ff games rekindled the old ff flame within me 💯
Also people keep forgetting that due to the fact that the game costs more, there will be fewer sells, and yet the sells are at a very high number
I knew it wasnt gonna fail. It was just too good
isnt it 3mil copys shipped to retailers? lol. sorry the only biased people are the ffxiv players praising yosheep and business unit 3 for everything they touch..... this game is just proof that they are heading in a direction that really did divide fans and do damage.
Also it only sold 37,000 in japan its 2nd week. cmon dude that says alot
Well you can't really cry when you take everything that Final Fantasy is away to appease the mass market audience (westerners who generally don't play JRPGs). Everything from the tone, to the soundtrack to the setting, to the influences (basically Game of Thrones with magic), to complete lack of a party system.... they have no room to complain that sales were lower than expected.
Ever since XIII, that would not have been nearly has bad had it not taken two more games to fix the floundering plot, and ESPECIALLY with Final Fantasy Boy Band Adventures, the franchise feels like its been in decline. They should go back and look at 12. That was PEAK Final Fantasy.
This is not to say that I think Final Fantasy should fail, on the contrary, for what it is (Game of Thrones with a magic system) it deserves the success it gets. However it could have done so much better if it had actually been Final Fantasy instead. Mature story telling? No. Using cursing and pornographic content does not make a story "mature". To paraphrase a writing professor of mine: "all that does is show ones immaturity as a writer". This wasn't Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness, this was medieval fantasy. You want mature storytelling? You want a command of prose bordering on the sublime? Read Les Miserables by Victor Hugo.
Either way, thank god Granblue Fantasy Relink looks like its finally ready to deliver this winter. I really need a good JRPG right about now.
Ok bye have fun.😅
FF16 based on install base. The amount it sold in the first week. Is the same % of games Tears of the Kingdom sold in 1.5 months based on install base.
All those haters needs to experience Valesthea first before they say the hate.
I buy a ps5 specifically to play this game. And I dont regret it. Money and time well spent.
Just finished Bahamut fight. I am taking it slowly.
I think it would have been better as linear staged based game like devil may cry, the open areas were pretty but empty, nothing to do in them, the side quests were beyond tedious, the hunts were nearly all copy and paste monsters with more health, crafting is pointless what am I meant to do with all these crafting materials, there's nothing to craft. The combat lacks strategy, just spam eikons skills to stagger the enemy, why doesn't switching eikons change your weapons elemental attacks, why aren't enemies weak to certain elements. I loved the main story but the side content and lack of things to do other than fight hurt the games longevity.
Wonderful results for a wonderful game.