As an airline Captain I can say those pilots performed maneuvers that we don’t practice on the simulator! To think so fast out of the box is a skill that only few pilots have! Congrats to them
Also, keeping that level of cool on the captains voice when he was reporting the near miss to the tower controller is indicative of total badassery going on in that cockpit! He's likely former military (or used to driving a car in places like New Delhi, Jakarta or Manila 😁).
Executing rotation before VR is fraught with peril but when you are out of options, it makes perfect sense to get past the obstacle and then get the nose down to continue increasing airspeed. When boring is best and routine the most safe operation, jet jockeys can handle this situation - trained or not. I imagine there was ample adrenaline on the flight deck of the Denver-bound flight. This is when learning fundamentals of piloting pays off. Well done by all - controllers notwithstanding. I bet they felt pretty awful.
If you really are smart enough to be an airline captian, why are you not smart enough to spot these videos as the computer generated sick fantasies that they are? If they really happened as horrendous as portrayed they would have been on every major news channel for days.
No matter how many times I hear that pilot say, "Don't worry we got him" it gives me chills. The confidence in his abilities to pull off a million to one maneuver.
Just speculating here, but the guy probably knew their take-off weight - and every other relevant parameter, in his head. Like the part about not dragging the tail. Maybe he knew that XXX tons underweight meant XX fewer feet required or X fewer knots. Conversely, XXX tons overweight means XX more runway required and/or X more knots. In other words, he knew how to fly and knew his plane.
@@davesmith5656 YES...he didn't calculate, he just KNEW what that plane in that configuration would do at that exact spot. Right down to feeling where the tail would pass and adapt for it on the fly (literally). Amazing.
I wouldn't say a million to one.... You need to listen to more stories of wartime pilots.. Safety and procedure kinda goes out the window once your being shot at
Now that's how you take a win! Smooth... "just another day at the office." Theres no point losing your cool on the radio at that moment. Very aware and skilled pilots indeed.
Multiple humans as well. Airlines are considering having solo pilots to save money, but sometimes the workload is too great for one. Had the first officer in the US Airways not noticed Air Lingus there's no telling what might've happened.
@@christopherweise438 And not to mention having one pilot and that pilot having a cardiac event related to his mandated jabs. I guess the money saved by paying only one pilot per flight would make up for a pilotless plane crash once in awhile? Crazy days with the shareholder profit boosting ideas.
@@betsyj59 - This is the hell of capitalism. Happy shareholders take precedent over rational decisions. Great point about a medical emergency. How about having one mid flight? Then who lands it? The 10 year old kid sitting in 8C?
They’re so professional and polite like “don’t worry about that” when a single touch could kill them. What’s done is done and they maintain professionalism, calm voice and being nice. It’s pretty amazing considering what can happen.
@@UHF43 True, but adrenaline can do both good and bad things to someone. 100% respect to their professionalism, but I don't know how you wouldn't be able to not spit bullets until the adrenaline wore off. And you can't tell me those pilots didn't have that pumping through their veins watching what unfolded in front of them, they are still human after all.
I would expletive the expletives out of my mouth and rip the controller a new one... thankfully it never ocurred to me ever thinking about learning to fly planes. I couldn't.
The O'Hare incident: I mean, just "WOW"!! the coolness of the pilots of the 737 is utterly incredible....a moment they don't train for but which they had to suddenly be prepared for. I hope, like the USAir pilots at Boston, they got an airmanship award because they saved the lives of all their passengers from what could have been a repeat of Tenerife.
It could have been a repeat of Tenerife, but it wouldn’t have been as bad because one was a cargo plane and the other was just a 737. So it would not have nearly as many deaths do to less passengers
So on average, they both rotated at the correct spot. Seriously, excellent airmanship on the part of both crews. The second pilot, who performed the early rotation likely took into consideration that the takeoff numbers are conservative for safety margins, and that his plane (obviously) could fly at the lower speed.
Take off too early and the wing tip (induced) drag from the nose high attitude would be excessively high and the climb rate could be reduced even to zero.
Different rules apply in fog and low viz conditions (i.e., the RVR is less than the entire length of the runway). If it were foggy, oddly, those incidents would have never happened. The modern low viz rules are the direct result of what infamously happened at Tenerife.
@@johndoyle4723 I'm not nearly aggressive enough of a person to chew them out and drop F-bombs at them. However, I would have mercilessly passive-aggressived them into oblivion. "Hey, maybe next time let me know you're sending two of us off at the same time? Cool? I realize it's backed up down there, and you're trying to get everybody on their way, but I'd just like to know so I can plan accordingly. You know, make sure I have my head on a swivel, maybe rotate a little early, contact the fire trucks ahead of time, update my will and testament, and tell my family I love them. The basics."
Can you imagine being on one of those flights and as you're taking off, see another plane go by right underneath you? I'd probably be thanking the high and mighty that I didn't just become another Tenerife disaster!
After takeoff, that one passenger aircraft had to circle the airport to give flight crew and passengers the time to shake the shit out of their drawers!
I could never be a pilot because if I were in my airplane on the runway having received clearance for take-off I would keep on asking the controller "But are you sure this runway is clear? "But are you REALLY sure this runway is clear?" "How do you know that this runway is clear?" I'd never get off the ground.
Blows my mind, the rapid precise decision making under extreme pressure pilots are able to exercise ✌️💯 In just seconds the USAW pilots were able to estimate with precision the timing of AL’s rotation, then immediately kept the plane grounded waiting for AL to pass over while watching their runway get shorter and shorter hahahaha…. Dude took off with like 1000 ft of runway left… Masterful airmanship ❤️✌️💯
The pilot knew the capability of the airplane and his ability to fly it. He used all that knowledge and calculated that what he was going to do would work. When he made the statement it was professionalism at its finest moment.
The thought he was about to see a couple hundred people go up in flames. Loss of employment aside, nobody would have an easy time coping with such a sight.
*Captain "Don't Worry, We got him."* Calm, Cool, Confident. If there were any pilots I'd want to fly with, it would be these pilots who were true professionals avoiding these crashes and calmy doing so.
Bro the fact that the 737 pilot had the guts to say “Don’t worry we got him” is incredible. I bet he was so confident that he could’ve done it with his eyes closed.
Nope. Having overloaded, inept or inexperienced tower controllers is asking for trouble. These tower people are standing next to each other. For a big, busy airport, intersecting runways is essential. As are competent tower controllers.
When you have a location with more than one common wind direction, and limited real estate, it tends to be the only option. That's where tower controllers come in. I'd love to know more about what happened to those numbskulls working the towers in BOS and ORD.
Marvellous! Man! What an awesome video! You are a genius and so is the captain who rotated early and saved the two planes, their respective crew and passengers!
During my previous work in aviation industry, many times I was threatened for my own decision making and not following SOP. If the pilot had not taken decisive action, how many people would have died. People sitting on top doesn’t even know ground reality. Thanks for your wonderful videos
Great job by the pilots to be self aware and avoid a catastrophic collision. It's nice to know these pilots are competent enough to make wise decisions in stressful situations. The graphics are so realistic that I feel like I'm on board the plane going somewhere on vacation.
Despite the obvious danger and potential loss of life, officials from both Logan and O'Hare airports rejected the NTSB's recommendations. Asked why, the Director of Logan stated "Why?!? Did you see how wicked cool that looked?!?? I'd like to make that maneuver a nightly thing!"
I remember a friend's boyfriend saying he was in that Boston flight and telling the story about seeing the other jet approaching them. We all thought it was bs, didn't believe that would happen nowadays with all the technology now.
As scary as both of these events were, to me, it demonstrates how much safer flying is than any form of transportation. In the US they are thinking about taking one of the pilots out of the cockpit to save money, and because of a pilot shortage. I feel like this is another example of how bad an idea it is to take a plot out of the cockpit!
ilovetotri23: Especially given the workload on commercial jets, and how the pilot flying and the pilot monitoring divvy up a LOT of tasks. And if one human has a big problem like a heart attack, it's good to have another to fly the plane. For commercial jets, I hope the flying public simply doesn't put up with that, but knowing how people are, they probably will. And another thing is troubleshooting -- you need a pilot to FLY THE DAMN PLANE while the other goes through troubleshooting and analysis.
As I was watching the Boston incident, I immediately thought of the Chicago incident (which is a repeat on this channel). United 1015 is by far my favorite incident; the confidence of the captain is great. When driving I Sometimes I feel like him in a much smaller scale; my wife sometimes grabs my arm and says “watch out for that truck!”, I like to reply “Don’t worry, I got him!”😁. I fly too, but not enough hours to have the same confidence as when driving.
Superb video production. I subscribed years ago and I remember the quality lacking a bit back then. It has improved 100-fold. Cudos! Keep up the great work! Yours is the best aviation channel on YT!
"Hi, welcome to Jack in the Box, how can I help you?" ...Actually, they probably wind up doing trucking company dispatch or something, making much less than an ATC.
@@grmpEqweer Likely retrained. I don't think they'd be fired. There are a few stories of pilots causing actual crashes and they didn't lost their job. The Airline industry is one that expects mistakes and uses them to better teach the person who made the mistake, and future people in that position. Of course assuming they aren't making blatant mistakes and showing no improvement.
Both of those are scarcer than hell. What a MESS those 2 incidents were. I wonder just how many other near misses there are each and every day?? Too frightening to think about.
I watch a spotter channel (Tampa International) and frequently, pilots are told to "line up and wait" - so busy there is little chance of a rogue authorization to create such a story as these two incidents. Can only hope these types of incidents are becoming more rare -but heaven help us if there are fewer pilots in the cockpit. Never know how many saves there are in real life today!
Great video as always. You are so into the details. The TAP aircraft (Portuguese airline) parked at Logan’s Terminal was a great touch considering the sizeable Portuguese community that lives in Boston. Thumbs up.
I just googled to find comparisons to what 35 feet is, basically a length of a normal city bus or three story building. Like, that was close.. very close. Kudos to the Pilot.
Great CRM on the first subject, with the First Officer telling the Captain to "Take down", and he did, and they all survived! This is what CRM is about!
Wow! WE got a double today! I didn't expect that! Nice! As always, amazing work with the simulator and video editor and for the double incident episode. Really good! (btw, I still miss the old song but because it was just incidents... Maybe not as appropriate)
I remember both incidents, both "code brown" incidents in my book. The FAA classified these as Category As. After the 2006 KORD (O'Hare) incident, The FAA began recommending that major airports install and use Runway Status Lights (RWSLs) to help prevent these incidents from happening. Almost all major US airports (in terms of traffic) now have them, including KORD. Unfortunately, the FAA has fallen short of making these systems mandatory, but chose to instead make it an opt-in program. Sadly, we are just one major catastrophe away until the FAA decides to make them mandatory installations in Class B and Class C airfields. This is the usual Modus Operandi of the FAA. As a side note, today, if you fly into or out of well-know major airports in the US and abroad, chances are high that you're being protected by these incredible systems.
Flying Jackal: From watching various accident videos / documentaries, far too many have occurred because airports had KNOWN broken equipment, lights, etc. for months or even years. Or didn't take recommended actions to prevent such problems for YEARS. I don't think such things should be voluntary beyond some reasonable interval.
These are some incredible pilots!! So happy any collision was avoided! The pilot from O'Hare probably should have gotten special recognition, too. In both cases, the collisions would have been the air traffic controller's fault. And at O'Hare he had extra help. Hmmm. Thank you for another great presentation!
I was aware since 2005 or 2006 of the Boston Logan Int'l near miss but it's the first time I learn about the Chicago O'Hare incident which was an even closer near miss.... Yoohooo Scary 🤪 but that won't deter me from flying LoL.... Thanks @TheFlightChannel for those extremely well made re-creations... Top Notch as usual 👍🏻
Great Cockpit Resource Management and situational awareness at a time when the majority of the attention is concentrated in the cockpit for takeoff. Fortunately disaster was averted because of alert pilots recognizing what was happening. The main conclusion is that there was a lesson learned and actions were taken to avoid an error like this in the future. Great video!
Nice of them to wait for traffic to clear the intersection where they cross, I never would have thought of that. The US Airway was lucky he didn't run out of real estate and end up going for a swim, it's not like Boston has long runways.
Those are some damn calm-sounding radio calls, not a hint of adrenaline in the voices of men who had just come incredibly close to death. Impressive quick thinking and professionalism.
Piloting a plane requires teamwork and communication with the crews on board and with the ATC. But when the scenarios are different, the pilot must be aware of his surroundings and try to avoid danger even if the ATC doesn't provide any information.
Controllers who commit errors undergo retraining. If the controller just makes a mistake, and is not intentionally trying to cause an incident, then punishment would be useless. The controller is not trying to cause a collision, but it would be useful to know why the error occurred in the first place. If investigators become aware of the cause of the error, then it is more likely that improvements can be made to make the error less likely to occur in the future. However, if someone knows that there is a chance that he/she is going to be punished for a non-malicious error, then he/she may be less likely to be forthcoming about the incident.
@@Eternal_Tech No need to soft soap them. Many of those I hear of on YT are arrogant sob's and their attitude is dangerous before they even start to speak. They are supposed to be professional. Every passenger is entitled to have a safe ride and runways crossing each other and arrogant nasty controllers deny them that. There is no such thing as a non malicious error. Accidentally killing or nearly 600 people requires a demonstration of extreme force and deterrence.
With respects to the first one it’s ok to forget to turn your oven off, or forget to turn the bath off but to forget giving an airplane clearance to takeoff is just mindblowing
Is there any particular reason why the controllers don't use some sort of mutual exclusion system (e.g. a token for each intersection that is either in an unused position or in a position for one of the runways)?
It's likely that Boston is, at certain times of the day, clearing flights to take off just so frequently that they'd spend more time moving the token back and forth.
A system like this could also be totally digital as a failsafe for human mistakes. How that has not been implemented in every airport is completely beyond me.
that united pilot is crazy chill for basically playing chicken with airplanes. can't imagine all of the mountains of paperwork and numbers to copy were.
how in blazes did they think that such an operation was as secure as they thought it was? it is fraught with human frailty, and something would go wrong, inevitably...
Thank you for making these fascinating videos. I have no knowledge about flying other than being a passenger, but it really makes me think more about what these pilots have to do and how important experience is - and how there are no shortcuts for training someone to be that good.
While I understand and appreciate the reason for splitting control towers into zones, situational awareness can still suffer. While the recommendation to change runway lighting is useful, it might be better to install displays in each ATC zone showing each controller what the other controller is doing. If, for some reason, the controller shortage at a given tower is severe (controllers out sick, on vacation, retired and not replaced), then the airport should consider closing the runways overseen by one zone rather than dumping that responsibility on an already overworked controller in the other zone.
there is already a system at most airport to monitor aircraft and alarm atc but in these cases , this is going so fast that having red lights looks very useful so the plane can just ask why are these lights red...which should prevent some cases (ie adding a layer to the cheese model.....)
Near misses....blimey, our lives literally depend on the collectiveness , composure and prompt response timing of such men and women of strength. Respect to all pilots.... but also shows how our lives depend on so much else at stake whilst in the plane or airborne. May every plane reach its destiny safe and sound.
Thank god it was a little 737 taking off in the path of the jumbo. Anything bigger and it would have been a real disaster. Thank you for another great video and for reinstating the CAPITOL letters!!! 💕💕💕💕
I agree about the old font coming back.....but if I'm not mistaken, this video is a hybrid of two older ones, which is why we were spared the elementary-school manuscript font. Oh well.
I'm glad the quick thinking of the flight crews saved so many lives. But I'd never want the job of an air traffic controller, since that must be a brutally high stress job.
After the first incident, I was thanking the heavens that it had worked out in the end but was wondering why I was only half way through with the video and then...
Only thing that could have made this better would be the respective DCVR recordings from each aircraft. However, the increasing number of controller-induced incursion incidents coming out of the USA is very concerning....
H O L Y S H ! T!! These pilots are legends!! 35 freaking feet from colliding! Imagine being a passenger and seeing a commercial jet running top speed directly at you. That is nightmare fuel right there.
As an airline Captain I can say those pilots performed maneuvers that we don’t practice on the simulator! To think so fast out of the box is a skill that only few pilots have! Congrats to them
Also, keeping that level of cool on the captains voice when he was reporting the near miss to the tower controller is indicative of total badassery going on in that cockpit! He's likely former military (or used to driving a car in places like New Delhi, Jakarta or Manila 😁).
“Don’t worry, we got him.” I was having a heart attack watching the simulation.
Executing rotation before VR is fraught with peril but when you are out of options, it makes perfect sense to get past the obstacle and then get the nose down to continue increasing airspeed. When boring is best and routine the most safe operation, jet jockeys can handle this situation - trained or not. I imagine there was ample adrenaline on the flight deck of the Denver-bound flight. This is when learning fundamentals of piloting pays off. Well done by all - controllers notwithstanding. I bet they felt pretty awful.
If you really are smart enough to be an airline captian, why are you not smart enough to spot these videos as the computer generated sick fantasies that they are? If they really happened as horrendous as portrayed they would have been on every major news channel for days.
Former military pilots are often the best, especially if they’ve flown combat.
“Don’t worry we got him” he has balls of steel.
My thoughts exactly.
Prob. ex Air Force pilot.
I yelled.
BIG ones at that!!
@@martinloyd8416 Ohhh.., so _that's_ why the pilots seats have that split in the middle?!
No matter how many times I hear that pilot say, "Don't worry we got him" it gives me chills. The confidence in his abilities to pull off a million to one maneuver.
Just speculating here, but the guy probably knew their take-off weight - and every other relevant parameter, in his head. Like the part about not dragging the tail. Maybe he knew that XXX tons underweight meant XX fewer feet required or X fewer knots. Conversely, XXX tons overweight means XX more runway required and/or X more knots. In other words, he knew how to fly and knew his plane.
@@davesmith5656 YES...he didn't calculate, he just KNEW what that plane in that configuration would do at that exact spot. Right down to feeling where the tail would pass and adapt for it on the fly (literally). Amazing.
@@roberthoffhines5419 Give or take 34 feet.
I wouldn't say a million to one.... You need to listen to more stories of wartime pilots..
Safety and procedure kinda goes out the window once your being shot at
Now that's how you take a win! Smooth... "just another day at the office."
Theres no point losing your cool on the radio at that moment. Very aware and skilled pilots indeed.
It proves how important it is to have humans in the cockpit.
So ATC can be imbeciles?
Multiple humans as well. Airlines are considering having solo pilots to save money, but sometimes the workload is too great for one. Had the first officer in the US Airways not noticed Air Lingus there's no telling what might've happened.
Artificial intelligence isn't advanced enough quite yet, and I'd argue for a synergy between AI and human cognition.
AI is ultimately alien.
@@christopherweise438 And not to mention having one pilot and that pilot having a cardiac event related to his mandated jabs. I guess the money saved by paying only one pilot per flight would make up for a pilotless plane crash once in awhile? Crazy days with the shareholder profit boosting ideas.
@@betsyj59 - This is the hell of capitalism. Happy shareholders take precedent over rational decisions.
Great point about a medical emergency. How about having one mid flight? Then who lands it? The 10 year old kid sitting in 8C?
They’re so professional and polite like “don’t worry about that” when a single touch could kill them. What’s done is done and they maintain professionalism, calm voice and being nice. It’s pretty amazing considering what can happen.
Yelling at someone has never improved any situation.
@@UHF43 True, but adrenaline can do both good and bad things to someone. 100% respect to their professionalism, but I don't know how you wouldn't be able to not spit bullets until the adrenaline wore off. And you can't tell me those pilots didn't have that pumping through their veins watching what unfolded in front of them, they are still human after all.
We almost crashed! 😱
Roger. 👌🏻 😂
Ikr? I'd like to see the CVR transcripts, got to be at least one "Sh*t!" lol
The NTSB was unable to determine how the 737 was able to rotate so fast considering the massive weight of the pilot's balls
Ain't that the truth. "Don't worry we got him" says the Captain.
lolol! good point!
Lol. Trudat!
Ahh, I never get sick of titanium ball jokes.
lol 😂 yey
"for the record there was a near miss at take off" the captain said it in a calm voice, just for the record 😁
I would expletive the expletives out of my mouth and rip the controller a new one... thankfully it never ocurred to me ever thinking about learning to fly planes. I couldn't.
The O'Hare incident: I mean, just "WOW"!! the coolness of the pilots of the 737 is utterly incredible....a moment they don't train for but which they had to suddenly be prepared for. I hope, like the USAir pilots at Boston, they got an airmanship award because they saved the lives of all their passengers from what could have been a repeat of Tenerife.
It could have been a repeat of Tenerife, but it wouldn’t have been as bad because one was a cargo plane and the other was just a 737. So it would not have nearly as many deaths do to less passengers
Wow! the crews of both 737s saved the day. One delayed his take off, the other lifted his plane early
So on average, they both rotated at the correct spot. Seriously, excellent airmanship on the part of both crews. The second pilot, who performed the early rotation likely took into consideration that the takeoff numbers are conservative for safety margins, and that his plane (obviously) could fly at the lower speed.
Take off too early and the wing tip (induced) drag from the nose high attitude would be excessively high and the climb rate could be reduced even to zero.
Yeah the pilots on both ends did great, I thought the second one could have been a tail strike but it wasn’t
ahhh 737, king of the skies
If that had been a foggy day . . . .
As in Tenerife...
Would have been a very different story !
@@Mephisto707 You beat me to it
Different rules apply in fog and low viz conditions (i.e., the RVR is less than the entire length of the runway). If it were foggy, oddly, those incidents would have never happened. The modern low viz rules are the direct result of what infamously happened at Tenerife.
@@Mephisto707same conditions for the Linate incident
I like how that first US airways pilot got on the radio to tell the tower essentially "Hey, can you not?"
Think I would have been more aggressive and thrown in a few "F" words as well.
@@johndoyle4723 I'm not nearly aggressive enough of a person to chew them out and drop F-bombs at them. However, I would have mercilessly passive-aggressived them into oblivion.
"Hey, maybe next time let me know you're sending two of us off at the same time? Cool? I realize it's backed up down there, and you're trying to get everybody on their way, but I'd just like to know so I can plan accordingly. You know, make sure I have my head on a swivel, maybe rotate a little early, contact the fire trucks ahead of time, update my will and testament, and tell my family I love them. The basics."
@@johndoyle4723 I mean, maybe the situation calls for it, but these are public radio frequencies and it's not worth the fine.
Tower's response: "Thanks for letting me know I just lost my job."
@@pokes404 the 747 was landing, not taking off.
The US Air crew in the first story are champs. And the pilot in the second one who's just like "don't worry, we got him"...amazing
Can you imagine being on one of those flights and as you're taking off, see another plane go by right underneath you? I'd probably be thanking the high and mighty that I didn't just become another Tenerife disaster!
Probably would be even scarier for the one on the ground, seeing the plane coming at you full speed
Can you imagine being the controller and realizing you nearly killed several hundred people by a human error?
My thoughts exactly, BUT I think the 747 was cargo and other was 737
@@Max-cu6bwml plolķkmj
After takeoff, that one passenger aircraft had to circle the airport to give flight crew and passengers the time to shake the shit out of their drawers!
I could never be a pilot because if I were in my airplane on the runway having received clearance for take-off I would keep on asking the controller "But are you sure this runway is clear? "But are you REALLY sure this runway is clear?" "How do you know that this runway is clear?" I'd never get off the ground.
This. One of my biggest anxiety symptoms is overthinking.
Blows my mind, the rapid precise decision making under extreme pressure pilots are able to exercise ✌️💯
In just seconds the USAW pilots were able to estimate with precision the timing of AL’s rotation, then immediately kept the plane grounded waiting for AL to pass over while watching their runway get shorter and shorter hahahaha…. Dude took off with like 1000 ft of runway left…
Masterful airmanship ❤️✌️💯
"Don't worry, we got em" like a boss 😎
The pilot knew the capability of the airplane and his ability to fly it. He used all that knowledge and calculated that what he was going to do would work. When he made the statement it was professionalism at its finest moment.
Im having a heart attack while watching a computer simulation, and the captain is just like "don't worry we got him." Amazing
My heart dropped hearing "stop stop stop" from the controller.
That is the sound of knowing you gettin FIRED...
The thought he was about to see a couple hundred people go up in flames. Loss of employment aside, nobody would have an easy time coping with such a sight.
@@GVike He likely didn't get fired. Almost certainly retrained and potentially moved to different position, though.
Superior Airmanship award doesn't begin to cover it. Phenomenal nerves of steel. Heroic concentration.
*Captain "Don't Worry, We got him."* Calm, Cool, Confident.
If there were any pilots I'd want to fly with, it would be these pilots who were true professionals avoiding these crashes and calmy doing so.
Bro the fact that the 737 pilot had the guts to say “Don’t worry we got him” is incredible. I bet he was so confident that he could’ve done it with his eyes closed.
That's how I would have done it... With my eyes closed, so I didn't have to witness the carnage!
@@JCDofNYC fax
Fighter pilot or something
@@atama01 fax
I suspect that his teeth were clenched and his anus was puckered when he said it.
Having runways that cross over each other is asking for trouble.
I said the same thing.
Nope. Having overloaded, inept or inexperienced tower controllers is asking for trouble. These tower people are standing next to each other. For a big, busy airport, intersecting runways is essential. As are competent tower controllers.
@@Blovi-qd4lhthere are plenty of “big busy airports” without intersecting runways.
all you gotta do is not clear 2 intersecting planes at the same time
When you have a location with more than one common wind direction, and limited real estate, it tends to be the only option. That's where tower controllers come in. I'd love to know more about what happened to those numbskulls working the towers in BOS and ORD.
wow the pilots were so calm during their transmissions. bravo!
Who else got Anxiety watching that 737 approach that 747?
2 great pilots, in total and full control, well done to both
Marvellous! Man! What an awesome video!
You are a genius and so is the captain who rotated early and saved the two planes, their respective crew and passengers!
God knows what the other pilots were thinking !
@@malcolmhardwick4258 wasn’t the aer Lingus crew fault nor where they blamed
Also, back to capitalised font. Weird, but it makes me feel better.
During my previous work in aviation industry, many times I was threatened for my own decision making and not following SOP.
If the pilot had not taken decisive action, how many people would have died.
People sitting on top doesn’t even know ground reality.
Thanks for your wonderful videos
So well done. It frightens me that we keep having 'near collisions' -- almost as if we are building up to an actual one.
Unfortunately, it's only a matter of time. Have to say I'm not a pilot, but I don't like those intersecting runways much.
Sadly it seems it takes death for things to change ☹️ like it justifies the few cents/dollars they have to spend vs safety
@@Kait-tee The video said the changes were made in both cases that had no fatalities.
@@cindyknudson2715 i was speaking in general 🤷♀️
its ridicolous since a simple computer program would prevent such accidents completly
Pilots avoiding collisions, despite actions of the controllers. Bravo!
Great job by the pilots to be self aware and avoid a catastrophic collision. It's nice to know these pilots are competent enough to make wise decisions in stressful situations. The graphics are so realistic that I feel like I'm on board the plane going somewhere on vacation.
An apology from ATC rather than just "Roger" might have been an appropriate response.
He was probably in shock from the sudden realisation of his mistake.
Hard to respond when your pants are full.
@@chrisman3965 That's a Code Brown
Legal liability issues
Despite the obvious danger and potential loss of life, officials from both Logan and O'Hare airports rejected the NTSB's recommendations. Asked why, the Director of Logan stated "Why?!? Did you see how wicked cool that looked?!?? I'd like to make that maneuver a nightly thing!"
Wicked awesome!
Blue cities both of them. Lots of corruption in local governments.
The graphics/visuals on these videos is absolutely incredible - fantastic work!
It's Microsoft flight simulator if you wanna try!
@@danishkfd Does it also do the music and airport sounds or not? I ask as I mute things until any sort of 'real atc' is played.
@@bikeny nope. It's just a flight simulator. Just plane sounds
He is reposting old videos. Here is the original video - ua-cam.com/video/IGBxczHpqXk/v-deo.html
March 17th. 2022
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“Don’t worry we got him”
DAMN that was cold.
I remember a friend's boyfriend saying he was in that Boston flight and telling the story about seeing the other jet approaching them. We all thought it was bs, didn't believe that would happen nowadays with all the technology now.
Sometimes the problem is between the computer and the chair
Those passengers must have been crapping themselves if they were looking out the windows. I wasn't even on the plane an my anxiety ramped up.
I didn't know there had to be that much coordination at an airport until I discovered this channel
I’m a little nauseated from the stress! Dang, that United pilot, cool as a cucumber. I want him on our next United flight!
There have been several of these that have been published.
Imagine being a passenger looking out the window. Great video.
Um, no. Let's not imagine that.
As scary as both of these events were, to me, it demonstrates how much safer flying is than any form of transportation. In the US they are thinking about taking one of the pilots out of the cockpit to save money, and because of a pilot shortage. I feel like this is another example of how bad an idea it is to take a plot out of the cockpit!
ilovetotri23: Especially given the workload on commercial jets, and how the pilot flying and the pilot monitoring divvy up a LOT of tasks. And if one human has a big problem like a heart attack, it's good to have another to fly the plane.
For commercial jets, I hope the flying public simply doesn't put up with that, but knowing how people are, they probably will.
And another thing is troubleshooting -- you need a pilot to FLY THE DAMN PLANE while the other goes through troubleshooting and analysis.
I hate planes
This goes to show how there is no room for error in aviation! Thanks for this video!
@@Avendesora because the pilots reacted flawlessly and didn’t make any error on their side.
So appropriate giving these events of late. Your best video yet since there was no loss of life.
The author of this channel does a great job.
As I was watching the Boston incident, I immediately thought of the Chicago incident (which is a repeat on this channel). United 1015 is by far my favorite incident; the confidence of the captain is great. When driving I Sometimes I feel like him in a much smaller scale; my wife sometimes grabs my arm and says “watch out for that truck!”, I like to reply “Don’t worry, I got him!”😁. I fly too, but not enough hours to have the same confidence as when driving.
Superb video production. I subscribed years ago and I remember the quality lacking a bit back then. It has improved 100-fold. Cudos! Keep up the great work! Yours is the best aviation channel on YT!
He is reposting old videos. Here is the original video - ua-cam.com/video/IGBxczHpqXk/v-deo.html
March 17th. 2022
One of the best and most suspenseful aviation videos I ever watched on Ytube, excellent illustration of the events!!
So what happens to these controllers that royally screw up?
"Hi, welcome to Jack in the Box, how can I help you?"
...Actually, they probably wind up doing trucking company dispatch or something, making much less than an ATC.
@@grmpEqweer Likely retrained. I don't think they'd be fired. There are a few stories of pilots causing actual crashes and they didn't lost their job. The Airline industry is one that expects mistakes and uses them to better teach the person who made the mistake, and future people in that position. Of course assuming they aren't making blatant mistakes and showing no improvement.
Both of those are scarcer than hell. What a MESS those 2 incidents were. I wonder just how many other near misses there are each and every day?? Too frightening to think about.
I watch a spotter channel (Tampa International) and frequently, pilots are told to "line up and wait" - so busy there is little chance of a rogue authorization to create such a story as these two incidents. Can only hope these types of incidents are becoming more rare -but heaven help us if there are fewer pilots in the cockpit. Never know how many saves there are in real life today!
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35 feet is shocking. For planes that is really close to each other.
Runway 14R does indeed intersect Runway 27L, but on the far western departure end of 27L. 27L is intersected by both 22R and 14R.
Great video as always. You are so into the details. The TAP aircraft (Portuguese airline) parked at Logan’s Terminal was a great touch considering the sizeable Portuguese community that lives in Boston. Thumbs up.
And just like that, 2 jobs were lost, and 2 new air traffic controller job positions suddenly became available.
I just googled to find comparisons to what 35 feet is, basically a length of a normal city bus or three story building. Like, that was close.. very close. Kudos to the Pilot.
Great CRM on the first subject, with the First Officer telling the Captain to "Take down", and he did, and they all survived! This is what CRM is about!
Wow! WE got a double today! I didn't expect that! Nice! As always, amazing work with the simulator and video editor and for the double incident episode. Really good!
(btw, I still miss the old song but because it was just incidents... Maybe not as appropriate)
I remember both incidents, both "code brown" incidents in my book. The FAA classified these as Category As.
After the 2006 KORD (O'Hare) incident, The FAA began recommending that major airports install and use Runway Status Lights (RWSLs) to help prevent these incidents from happening. Almost all major US airports (in terms of traffic) now have them, including KORD.
Unfortunately, the FAA has fallen short of making these systems mandatory, but chose to instead make it an opt-in program. Sadly, we are just one major catastrophe away until the FAA decides to make them mandatory installations in Class B and Class C airfields. This is the usual Modus Operandi of the FAA.
As a side note, today, if you fly into or out of well-know major airports in the US and abroad, chances are high that you're being protected by these incredible systems.
What you are saying is that like so many other things, it takes an accident or loss of life to bring about change.
Flying Jackal: From watching various accident videos / documentaries, far too many have occurred because airports had KNOWN broken equipment, lights, etc. for months or even years. Or didn't take recommended actions to prevent such problems for YEARS.
I don't think such things should be voluntary beyond some reasonable interval.
That United captain was confident about what he was doing.. that was incredible
These are some incredible pilots!! So happy any collision was avoided! The pilot from O'Hare probably should have gotten special recognition, too. In both cases, the collisions would have been the air traffic controller's fault. And at O'Hare he had extra help. Hmmm. Thank you for another great presentation!
I was aware since 2005 or 2006 of the Boston Logan Int'l near miss but it's the first time I learn about the Chicago O'Hare incident which was an even closer near miss.... Yoohooo Scary 🤪 but that won't deter me from flying LoL.... Thanks @TheFlightChannel for those extremely well made re-creations... Top Notch as usual 👍🏻
Great Cockpit Resource Management and situational awareness at a time when the majority of the attention is concentrated in the cockpit for takeoff. Fortunately disaster was averted because of alert pilots recognizing what was happening. The main conclusion is that there was a lesson learned and actions were taken to avoid an error like this in the future. Great video!
situational awareness? And imbecile ATCS
It was not a "near miss"...it was a near collision 💥
Nice of them to wait for traffic to clear the intersection where they cross, I never would have thought of that. The US Airway was lucky he didn't run out of real estate and end up going for a swim, it's not like Boston has long runways.
Those are some damn calm-sounding radio calls, not a hint of adrenaline in the voices of men who had just come incredibly close to death. Impressive quick thinking and professionalism.
If it was me, I'll panicked and passed out😅
Could you imagine being a passenger on that US Air flight and seeing an A330 literally passing directly overhead??
I wouldn't want to have had a left-side window seat!
Someone HAD to change underwear after that. Geeeessshhh
looking at the O'Hare disaster, they were very lucky, Tenerife had a similar situation that ended in disaster
Piloting a plane requires teamwork and communication with the crews on board and with the ATC. But when the scenarios are different, the pilot must be aware of his surroundings and try to avoid danger even if the ATC doesn't provide any information.
The pilots deserved their commendations. Amazing.
Controllers who cause near misses should be disciplined by the investigating authority. The whole reason for having them is to prevent crashes.
Proba;y another woman
Controllers who commit errors undergo retraining. If the controller just makes a mistake, and is not intentionally trying to cause an incident, then punishment would be useless. The controller is not trying to cause a collision, but it would be useful to know why the error occurred in the first place. If investigators become aware of the cause of the error, then it is more likely that improvements can be made to make the error less likely to occur in the future. However, if someone knows that there is a chance that he/she is going to be punished for a non-malicious error, then he/she may be less likely to be forthcoming about the incident.
@@Eternal_Tech No need to soft soap them. Many of those I hear of on YT are arrogant sob's and their attitude is dangerous before they even start to speak. They are supposed to be professional. Every passenger is entitled to have a safe ride and runways crossing each other and arrogant nasty controllers deny them that. There is no such thing as a non malicious error. Accidentally killing or nearly 600 people requires a demonstration of extreme force and deterrence.
With respects to the first one it’s ok to forget to turn your oven off, or forget to turn the bath off but to forget giving an airplane clearance to takeoff is just mindblowing
Is there any particular reason why the controllers don't use some sort of mutual exclusion system (e.g. a token for each intersection that is either in an unused position or in a position for one of the runways)?
It's likely that Boston is, at certain times of the day, clearing flights to take off just so frequently that they'd spend more time moving the token back and forth.
Definitely a failsafe needs to be put in place.
A system like this could also be totally digital as a failsafe for human mistakes. How that has not been implemented in every airport is completely beyond me.
@Nathan, welcome to the world of AI, perhaps?
I know nothing really about aircraft or flying but your videos are really informational and incredibly done.
That was some awesome piloting!
Thank you to TheFlightChannel for your excellent videos. I'm always on the edge of my seat when I watch them.
man, US Airways pilots were built different. Miss that airline so much.
I second that FAA recommendation to have red lights down the centerline. It's such a simple fix. Duh!
United 1015: 'Don't worry about that'
BAD-ASS.
that united pilot is crazy chill for basically playing chicken with airplanes. can't imagine all of the mountains of paperwork and numbers to copy were.
I low key wish there was a "everyone survived" at the end 😅
Wow. Great pilot awareness and skills. Great video.
how in blazes did they think that such an operation was as secure as they thought it was?
it is fraught with human frailty, and something would go wrong, inevitably...
Airplane taking off: "Don't worry about your blunder, we got him!" Controller: "Got WHO??"
I love this channel
If I was the USAir pilot, I would have been shouting over the radio, "WHO ON EARTH APPROVED TWO TAKEOFFS AT THE THE SAME TIME?!
747 landed bro
@@karthickjayaraman2090erm, he meant the daytime one
Thank you for making these fascinating videos. I have no knowledge about flying other than being a passenger, but it really makes me think more about what these pilots have to do and how important experience is - and how there are no shortcuts for training someone to be that good.
While I understand and appreciate the reason for splitting control towers into zones, situational awareness can still suffer. While the recommendation to change runway lighting is useful, it might be better to install displays in each ATC zone showing each controller what the other controller is doing. If, for some reason, the controller shortage at a given tower is severe (controllers out sick, on vacation, retired and not replaced), then the airport should consider closing the runways overseen by one zone rather than dumping that responsibility on an already overworked controller in the other zone.
But extreme capitalism won't let that happen. Money/cost control over safety...
there is already a system at most airport to monitor aircraft and alarm atc but in these cases , this is going so fast that having red lights looks very useful so the plane can just ask why are these lights red...which should prevent some cases (ie adding a layer to the cheese model.....)
WOW. I thought I had studied every possible aviation incident on UA-cam. Never seen these 2 before! Props to these Pilots!
Both the pilots and ntsb are just great.
Skill & confidence. I am afraid to fly but I'd fly with this pilot.
Near misses....blimey, our lives literally depend on the collectiveness , composure and prompt response timing of such men and women of strength. Respect to all pilots....
but also shows how our lives depend on so much else at stake whilst in the plane or airborne.
May every plane reach its destiny safe and sound.
Another argument for sticking with main line carriers when traveling.
Thank god it was a little 737 taking off in the path of the jumbo. Anything bigger and it would have been a real disaster. Thank you for another great video and for reinstating the CAPITOL letters!!! 💕💕💕💕
Both planes had about 300 passengers onboard altogether. It would have a mess regardless of the size of the planes. also a a330 200 is not a jumbo.
I agree about the old font coming back.....but if I'm not mistaken, this video is a hybrid of two older ones, which is why we were spared the elementary-school manuscript font. Oh well.
"don't worry about it" hillarious 🤣
I'm glad the quick thinking of the flight crews saved so many lives. But I'd never want the job of an air traffic controller, since that must be a brutally high stress job.
Awesome work by the pilots. Without losing the cool, they took quick decision and saved many lives. Hats off to you.
After the first incident, I was thanking the heavens that it had worked out in the end but was wondering why I was only half way through with the video and then...
Excellent video. These get better and better.
First one: V1… rotate… no wait! Not yet! 😱 scary!
Second one: rotate, NOW! 😱
ALMOST another Tenerife disaster 😣
Second one - V3/4 - ROTATE!!
Only thing that could have made this better would be the respective DCVR recordings from each aircraft.
However, the increasing number of controller-induced incursion incidents coming out of the USA is very concerning....
H O L Y S H ! T!! These pilots are legends!! 35 freaking feet from colliding! Imagine being a passenger and seeing a commercial jet running top speed directly at you. That is nightmare fuel right there.
"Don't Worry, We Got Him" . Never Have Five Words Ever Carried Such Weight, That Pilot Can Fly Me Anywhere on Planet Earth.
Oh my God, these are two incredible videos!! Thank God there was no disaster!!