@@MisterSolitudeI think that could have been disastrous. Uneven ground could bounce the plane. The gear could collapse and the plane could break up on impacting the ground. They were planning on a smooth runway. So they would have impacted harshly. Look at some videos where the plane lands in a field. The plane frequently ends up in pieces and that's when they know they are going to hit dirt. A landing like that is directly putting lives at risk.
@@MisterSolitudethat would have definitely been disasterous. the simulation doens't show how uneven the grass surface would haev been, and the wheels wouldn't have been able to brake properly. the plane would have definitely broken in some way and may have not stopped in time.
Never cease to be amazed at the structural strength of the landing gear, air frame and strength of the engines, getting the plane airborne again off the rough grass on one engine the other being in stall.
That's amazing that tragedy was averted! If the co-pilot hadn't called it, they might not have been able to eventually pull up. I can understand them suspending the pilot and co-pilot but what about the air traffic controller who didn't keep them updated? That's a very important part of his job! 181 souls seriously lucked out that day!! Thank you for a great presentation!
ya I'm no pilot but if my landing gear encounters that much hard stress I would be afraid to pull it back up in fear they wont come back down properly. Just leave them down till the next landing. But what do I know.
Way back in the late 1970s I was an Air Traffic Controller at the airfield where Piedmont Airlines was headquartered. Upon coming to work one morning I see large clumps of dirt and grass on the air carrier parking ramp below the terminal. Seems a late night arriving 737 landed off the runway, taking out a number of runway lights and almost hitting some airport equipment on that side of the runway. A close call.
The scary part is...despite all the advanced technology to prevent such things, these things still happen. Maybe the runway lights should be port/Green and Starboard/red to differentiate from the white center line lights.
Not to discount that idea, but that is actually not necessary, and would only help to add further confusion with airfield hazard lights that are red, and taxiway centerline lights that are green. The modern-day airfield lighting system that we have is a time-trusted and proven system. This seems to be a case of a lack of situational awareness - the captain did in fact realize the plane was not on the centerline but by then, it was too late. Neither did the pilot monitoring (which in fact, was his duty at the time). Had either of them noticed this when the aircraft was on short final, a small correction in the right direction could have been made. Also, as the video suggests, the pilots were not adequately trained. ATC not relaying important RVR information to the pilots only added to it all. The technology is there, humans have to use it correctly. Just my two cents.
Very nice video! I see comments here suggesting “voiceover”. I think the video is fine without voiceover. The text in the video is very readable (i.e., size, duration). I like the audio - its not distracting. Visuals are great! I just wanted to give my feedback. Keep up the good work. 👍🏻 Thank You!
That's funny because when he did do voiceovers people complained about them too. He should just do whatever he's most comfortable with which seems to be the text.
Although yes, the flight crew were ultimately at fault, the kind of punishment was pretty harsh on them considering the conditions and the fact that they made it all the way over to Hyderabad with a single engine is truly marvelous
once you reach 500 feet and cant establish clear visuals, pilots must immediately initiate a go around… they went below 200 feet with no visual contact
@@ggeorge4144 I'm an Indian... at the end of the video, I was like - "man, DGCA didnt mess around... compared other incidents, the suspensio was pretty harsh" But reading your comment, I can recall multiple incidents in the US where the pilots werent punished or it wasnt harsh enough and I've wondered - "how could they let them go?" in such cases... in end the suspension was valid I think... they should have gone around at MDA when they werent visual with the runway.
Wow...disaster narrowly avoided is too kind. There was more luck involved in this than anyone should be comfortable with. Gear could have collapsed, both engines could have flamed out...a long list of things could have gone wrong with this including damaging the undercarriage so much the landing at the diversion airport could have resulted in catastrophe. Passengers were very lucky.
Looks like the captain didn't check the localiser, else he would have noticed that deviation . Unless he was too concerned and focused on spotting the runway
Which makes me wonder, if the pilot flying is observing the runway for alignment, why isn’t the first officer monitoring the instruments and noticing the deviation.
@@RouletteRider true, cause pilot monitoring checks everything. Unless he had the same mind as the captain, both trying to spot the runway. Maybe further information would be released later.
It's normal the capitain isn't looking there. It's part of normal procedures for the pilot flying to keep looking outside once established visual contact with the runway. It should have been the co-pilot the one mentioning he's deviating from the runway.
@@RouletteRider absolutely. Big part of this incident was this factor. Huge deviation should have. Been a go around and diagnose what happened in the hold
In the near future I plan on getting my pilots license. I watch and try to remember the mistakes that are made so I don't fall victim to the mistakes others made.
Very good policy. The best way to keep up your skills as a pilot is to periodically fly small planes with no computer assistance, because there's a "feel" to them; the feedback from the control surfaces. Soaring in engine-less gliders is a real quiet pleasure, too. Flight is a very natural thing. Most pilot errors happen because they forget what planes should feel like when you're doing it right.
Really Happy you made this video, was lookin forward to it, great quality! Edit: Just saw the video for one quick correction. Bangalore Aiport has 2 runways and not 1.
yes and no, when this incident took place (november 11, 2019), there was only one operational runway. the 2nd runway was not complete and in service untill about a month later (december 6, 2019) Had the 2nd runway been completed earlier, this flight would have landed on that one as it is a CAT III runway unlike the, now old, CAT I runway.
Sorry I need to correct u at 5:34 bangalore has 2 active runways but 09l/27r is used dominantly but when there is over crowded aircrafts are used to take off from the 09r/27l runway sometimes in the peak hours
I love your channel, attention to details, visuals the video had me gripping the sofa. So real . Thank goodness they managed to avoid an accident. It must been an horric experience to have been on that flight..
Once the Captain lost visual reference with the runway, he should have initiated the go-around since the approach was not stabilized at this point. A good pilot does not try to force things to happen and does the prudent thing. Once, situational awareness is lost, a missed approach procedure is a given .
Nicely done ! Uh, I don't like the type style in the captions as well as before. Kudos to the Flight crew for not crashing & no loss of life in tough conditions. Methinks they shoulda called a Go-Around & diverted sooner though...
So many accolades for TFC, yet as visual artist, I marvel at aesthetic quality of productions. Orange cast of low altitude clouds in opening sequence is mystical. Ultimately, poor visibility due to myst was downfall of this flight...
At 12:50, you mentioned that the pilots could have used autoland to make their approach and thus reduce the chances of this happening. There’s a problem with this line of thought: autoland is available only in case the aircraft makes an approach with Cat 2 or Cat 3 ILS, and runway 09 (now 09L) did not - and still does not - have the provision for that. In other words, even if the pilots wanted to, they couldn’t. So when the pilot disconnected the autopilot at 220 feet, it was as close to possible as he could legally fly on autopilot. It’s also sad to see that the pilots took the brunt of punitive action - what about the controllers who failed to report the falling visibility? In fact, the moment the RVR fell below 550 metres, the controller should have immediately advised the pilots to discontinue their approach and head off to their alternate, or hold overhead. The controller failed in his duty, but the pilots were punished.
Thankfully, the plane landed safely, and no one was hurt. It's always in bad weather conditions when pilots have difficulty landing, and it becomes a near disaster.
The ATC should have been suspended, too, because he wasn't keeping the flight crew apprised of the sudden deterioration in visibility. This cannot all be blamed on the pilots.
If the captain had taken over as PF then it doesn't seem the FO did a great job as PM. I think it says it was the captain who noticed that the localiser was off... just as the FO said to go around.
As pilot monitoring, he failed to MONITOR the ILS and alert the PF that he was deviating from the final approach course, which would have prevented the whole thing.
He was a junior in status in employment and statue personal have to think of the culture, Capt.disgauge auto, doesn't like go arounds initiates go around when the landing gear touch and compressor stall. ATC failed them with no punishment. Lack of training from the carrier for its pilots and ATC controllers. This is why alot of small carriers from the middle east are band from flying into Europe, UK, NorthAmerica ,AUSTRALIA, NZ.
Perfect to watch as always! ATC and pilots have mistakes. ATC should've inform pilots about changing (getting worse) conditions and pilots should have monitor the instruments better. Especially about ILS alignment. Captain thought the left margin lights of runway were the centerline. If he checked the ILS, he could see they were not aligned. Thank god, everyone landed safely.
Yea, this is tough. The traditional landing is for the Captain to sight the runway, and that is then paramount. The ILS is not supposed to be relied on for the last part of the landing. The issue is that several things can lead the pilot to believe what he sees when it is not so, especially in non-ILS conditions. The airlines reaction from that is more autoland, more automation. We are rapidly converging on the airplane flying itself with the pilots just being systems monitors. Note that a lot of light aircraft, including mine, have synthetic vision displays, which show you a depiction of the runway environment to GPS accuracy, which is actually quite good. It usually shows you the centerline within a foot or so.
Thanks, excellent as always especially blending in real video. How does suspending the pilots for 3-6 months help, perhaps retraining and eye sight testing, downgrade the captain etc would be better.
The thing is though, after such a near disaster, being able to hold themselves together and make a safe landing is to be commended. Imagine knowing you hit the grass, then an engine stall, and getting it all together for the go around and the landing, and explaining themselves afterwards. More than I could cope with for sure.
Could have happened to anyone. The captain thought he had the runway centerline lights. He has landed the plane hundreds of times. He wouldn't have thought to check other instruments until he became uncertain he had it right.
*Again this seems like a judgement call on the part of the crew as well, I can't understand why they didn't call for a go around MUCH earlier when it was clear that the visibility was extremely poor, even if the ATC didn't give them an update. An earlier go around call would have saved them a lot of trouble, it's good that the FO finally made the call. Better late than never in this case*
Everyone is criticizing captain here. yes captain was at serious fault here. Bcoz after minima We are supposed to Go around no matter the circumstance. If no visual contact with runway. But captain saw a set of lights assuming it is centre line of runway. It was a serious misjudgement by captain. But he wasn't alone. First officer is responsible for scanning the instruments constantly during landing phase. Captain continuously looks outside for visual references. If First officer would have monitored Instruments. He could have easily seen Localiser was way off. A320 is marvelous aircraft with all safety hazards taken into consideration and implemented to avoid that. ATC was also at fault after such a vigorous change in weather he should've told the crew. ATC is required to check all weather updates before giving landing clearance to aircraft. which is usually given 3-5Miles away from runway in busy airports. and around 7-9 miles in empty airports. Don't just say about captain he had a misjudgment which happens regularly from time to time.It was low weather first officer mistake atc mistake which lead this to a combination of mistakes leading to this. Just like the Cheese model. IF at least one mistake didn't occur it wouldn't have happened. About the touchdown on mud. Aircrafts are real badass. they are very strong. Landing gear can take some heavy hits and still stay locked. and as captain was flying it as landing so aircraft was low and smooth with flare resulting in firm touch on mud. the only issue is about the ingestion. of foreign particles in engines. which also doesn't pose severe threat as engineers know this is a issue and they have build the engines to endure hits. Engine blades on aircraft time to time bend and go off. which is replaced on regular basis depending on how much the fatigue is. Even if engine 1 flamed out. A320 is more than capable enough to fly on one engine for longer times than you can think of. nowadays most planes have very high etops certifications. A320 neo is certified to fly 180 minutes on a single engine. which is 3 hours literal almost anywhere in India from Bangalore
i dont get why they blamed the pilots. Honestly they did everything they could and also safely landed without losing any lives. In the first place holding nearly a 100 lives in your hands while nearly taking them all isn't exactly helping a human's mind, on top of which the dude could barely see due to the fog. They always blame the pilot, it wasn't his fault the go around couldn't happen more effectively.
are you kidding? continued an approach below minimums despite losing contact with the runway, failed to notice a discrepancy between the localizer and their visual reference.
Well, the punishment I think was a bit harsh, but......perhaps its best to be this way.....as other pilots will be more apt to not take chances and follow the protocols.....although, these pilots I'm not entirely sure did anything horribly wrong....
They did nothing wrong. Quite the contrary. Punishment was stupid. And sends a very negative signal for safety. As it can had fear. No violation, nothing. Just bad luck. And the cheese holes aligning.
@@joaodantas8530 yeah, I kind of got the sense they were more victims of circumstances and not so much their own undoing.....so I take that back and agree with you....and punishing them does make things worse for other pilots who know might fear being punished for the slightest thing and attempt to cover it up.....anyway....good chatting!
@@vitsirosh3722 damn. It's difficult to notice when he upgraded to the newest version of the game. Idk which vid was his first after he transitioned to it
The graphics show the aircraft FAR left of the paved surface, but the text says that the captain aligned the aircraft with the runway edge lights. If the text information is correct, and if the captain aligned with the edge lights, then the aircraft should be roughly half on the pavement and a little less than half off the pavement, depending on exactly how far from the actual edge of the pavement the edge lights are located.
But debris was found in BOTH main gear and braking systems, not only the left mains. I believe the captain mistook the left runway edge lights for the right ones, and offset the normal distance from those. I can't see any other explanation for the fact at both sets of main landing gear were in the weeds instead of on the paved surface. It is a credit to the strength of the main landing gear on the A320 that they withstood such a level of abuse without failing.
The polish in these videos just keeps getting better. The animation, the flow, the information presented. Outstanding.
only thing now needed is a voiceover
@@arex6240 he did a voice over before and people didn’t like it. Fairly strong accent. I love this current format
Incredible quality
There is no Polish.
@@arex6240honestly the voice over takes out that smooth feeling moments
I'm just relieved everyone survived, since that looked like it could've been disastrous.
Excellent video as usual!
Happy ending!
I always breathe a huge sigh of relief!!
What i don't understand is why they just didn't land on the grass
@@MisterSolitudeI think that could have been disastrous. Uneven ground could bounce the plane. The gear could collapse and the plane could break up on impacting the ground. They were planning on a smooth runway. So they would have impacted harshly. Look at some videos where the plane lands in a field. The plane frequently ends up in pieces and that's when they know they are going to hit dirt. A landing like that is directly putting lives at risk.
@@MisterSolitudethat would have definitely been disasterous. the simulation doens't show how uneven the grass surface would haev been, and the wheels wouldn't have been able to brake properly. the plane would have definitely broken in some way and may have not stopped in time.
Never cease to be amazed at the structural strength of the landing gear, air frame and strength of the engines, getting the plane airborne again off the rough grass on one engine the other being in stall.
This is what happened to PIA but unfortunately they couldn't recover
That's amazing that tragedy was averted! If the co-pilot hadn't called it, they might not have been able to eventually pull up. I can understand them suspending the pilot and co-pilot but what about the air traffic controller who didn't keep them updated? That's a very important part of his job! 181 souls seriously lucked out that day!! Thank you for a great presentation!
agreed. i think the blame goes on the atc for not monitoring the massive drop in RVR
Amazing the landing gear held up. Glad also nobody got hurt.
There was one more incident where a landing gear survived an impact with a brick wall. They are stronger than you expect.
Also, they were lucky both engines didn't stop simultaneously due to debris, otherwise it would have been a disaster!
ya I'm no pilot but if my landing gear encounters that much hard stress I would be afraid to pull it back up in fear they wont come back down properly. Just leave them down till the next landing. But what do I know.
@@HollywoodConnection_LA landing gear provides a lot of drag. You should lift it up every time positive climb is present for a plane to climb.
@@HollywoodConnection_LA see U6 178 on 15.09.2019 to find out what happens if you do not lift gear up on one engine
Man your quality is getting better with every video you make. Also nice to see you are now also using MSFS 2020 :D
Way back in the late 1970s I was an Air Traffic Controller at the airfield where Piedmont Airlines was headquartered. Upon coming to work one morning I see large clumps of dirt and grass on the air carrier parking ramp below the terminal. Seems a late night arriving 737 landed off the runway, taking out a number of runway lights and almost hitting some airport equipment on that side of the runway. A close call.
The scary part is...despite all the advanced technology to prevent such things, these things still happen. Maybe the runway lights should be port/Green and Starboard/red to differentiate from the white center line lights.
Maybe they should fly into Bangalore after 8:30 am in the month of November!
I was wondering if they aren't already different colors, just like we have on roadways.
there will always be some stupid pilots over there
would there be any hazard of confusing them with aircraft wing lights?
Not to discount that idea, but that is actually not necessary, and would only help to add further confusion with airfield hazard lights that are red, and taxiway centerline lights that are green. The modern-day airfield lighting system that we have is a time-trusted and proven system.
This seems to be a case of a lack of situational awareness - the captain did in fact realize the plane was not on the centerline but by then, it was too late. Neither did the pilot monitoring (which in fact, was his duty at the time). Had either of them noticed this when the aircraft was on short final, a small correction in the right direction could have been made. Also, as the video suggests, the pilots were not adequately trained. ATC not relaying important RVR information to the pilots only added to it all. The technology is there, humans have to use it correctly. Just my two cents.
Another fantastically made episode, thank you TFC!
Very nice video! I see comments here suggesting “voiceover”. I think the video is fine without voiceover. The text in the video is very readable (i.e., size, duration). I like the audio - its not distracting. Visuals are great! I just wanted to give my feedback. Keep up the good work. 👍🏻 Thank You!
That's funny because when he did do voiceovers people complained about them too. He should just do whatever he's most comfortable with which seems to be the text.
@@TickingClocks Indeed! My intent was not to dictate anyone’s actions or behavior. I only intended to express my opinion.
@btbb3726 Of course ! I hope the tone in my reply didn't seem snippy 😅, reading it back it does read that way but I was agreeing!
Did you update your graphics card because what a difference! These videos are glowing
Although yes, the flight crew were ultimately at fault, the kind of punishment was pretty harsh on them considering the conditions and the fact that they made it all the way over to Hyderabad with a single engine is truly marvelous
True but they managed to do that because of the plane’s structure, their skill was lacking throughout the entire thing
once you reach 500 feet and cant establish clear visuals, pilots must immediately initiate a go around… they went below 200 feet with no visual contact
This is what the US FAA needs to do. The FAA is in bed with the airlines and too often gives airlines and pilots too many breaks.
@@ggeorge4144 I'm an Indian... at the end of the video, I was like - "man, DGCA didnt mess around... compared other incidents, the suspensio was pretty harsh"
But reading your comment, I can recall multiple incidents in the US where the pilots werent punished or it wasnt harsh enough and I've wondered - "how could they let them go?" in such cases... in end the suspension was valid I think... they should have gone around at MDA when they werent visual with the runway.
@@Vishnu-B US pilots have a strong union. Don't know if the same applies to Indian pilots.
So pleased to see the on--screen captions are no longer upper-case. Much easier to read. Thank you.
Splendid graphics, almost realistic - including the city traffic and the sign boards on the flyover.
Always great to see your video's!
11:24 Plane giving a fairly harsh assessment of the pilot’s actions 😂
Yeah he did ok considering, lol
Very classic joke yet, still hilarious !
It insults you like that even when the flight is good
Lmao I was thinking the same as if the plane was pissed nd had enough of pilot’s actions. Very passive aggressive tone tho ngl
That is SO funny 😂
Your video quality is getting incredible, the part of the video with the plane flying over the cloud, wow...so realistic.
Great job with the graphics and the details of the incident 👍
You changed to a more reader-friendly font! Thank you! 🛩
Wow...disaster narrowly avoided is too kind. There was more luck involved in this than anyone should be comfortable with. Gear could have collapsed, both engines could have flamed out...a long list of things could have gone wrong with this including damaging the undercarriage so much the landing at the diversion airport could have resulted in catastrophe. Passengers were very lucky.
or hitting some buildings, vehicles next to the runway
Agreed. We can hear the plane's frustrated autoland system insult the performance of the pilot flying at 11:24.
Looks like the captain didn't check the localiser, else he would have noticed that deviation . Unless he was too concerned and focused on spotting the runway
Which makes me wonder, if the pilot flying is observing the runway for alignment, why isn’t the first officer monitoring the instruments and noticing the deviation.
@@RouletteRider true, cause pilot monitoring checks everything. Unless he had the same mind as the captain, both trying to spot the runway. Maybe further information would be released later.
It's normal the capitain isn't looking there. It's part of normal procedures for the pilot flying to keep looking outside once established visual contact with the runway. It should have been the co-pilot the one mentioning he's deviating from the runway.
@@RouletteRider absolutely. Big part of this incident was this factor. Huge deviation should have. Been a go around and diagnose what happened in the hold
...FO should have been watching the bug.....and giving the captain some feedback....seems to me he was miffed for losing the stick....
So fortunate the crew could recover and no lives lost! Another amazing video!
The sunrise was stunning!
What a beautiful production and attention to detail in producing this video! 👏👏👏👏
The Flight Channel rocks the Casbah!!! 💪🫡
In the near future I plan on getting my pilots license. I watch and try to remember the mistakes that are made so I don't fall victim to the mistakes others made.
Good luck man!
Very good policy. The best way to keep up your skills as a pilot is to periodically fly small planes with no computer assistance, because there's a "feel" to them; the feedback from the control surfaces. Soaring in engine-less gliders is a real quiet pleasure, too. Flight is a very natural thing. Most pilot errors happen because they forget what planes should feel like when you're doing it right.
@@riverwildcat1 Thanks for the info, it's always been a dream of mine to pilot, and I want to be the best I can be.
Basics to muscle memory.
We're sure you won't make a mistake, and or what if your plane makes a mistake,😊
11:24 this brand new A320neo was so mean to the captain. :(
I was looking for this comment. LOL
Yep, the A320neo was spot on!
I think it was right, they should have done a go-around much sooner so the insult was justified!
Fact is that they ignored the localiser in the cockpit and paid the penalty.
Really Happy you made this video, was lookin forward to it, great quality!
Edit: Just saw the video for one quick correction. Bangalore Aiport has 2 runways and not 1.
yes and no, when this incident took place (november 11, 2019), there was only one operational runway. the 2nd runway was not complete and in service untill about a month later (december 6, 2019)
Had the 2nd runway been completed earlier, this flight would have landed on that one as it is a CAT III runway unlike the, now old, CAT I runway.
@@Nardur12321 completely slipped my mind that it was in 2019, my bad there 😜
@@pixelfps24 no problem lol, i mean, it was less then a month between incident and the airport having 2 runways.
@@Nardur12321 mhm yeah
On the weekends I can lay in my bed and watch these plane videos all day 😩
Its a Thursday
Same!
Sorry I need to correct u at 5:34 bangalore has 2 active runways but 09l/27r is used dominantly but when there is over crowded aircrafts are used to take off from the 09r/27l runway sometimes in the peak hours
Second Runway was commissioned 1 month after the accident
At the time of this incident, the second runway was u/c.
there was only one runway at the time, now theres 2
This was a very good episode. Good explanation, beautiful graphics and everyone survived. 😊
I love your channel, attention to details, visuals the video had me gripping the sofa. So real . Thank goodness they managed to avoid an accident. It must been an horric experience to have been on that flight..
Once the Captain lost visual reference with the runway, he should have initiated the go-around since the approach was not stabilized at this point. A good pilot does not try to force things to happen and does the prudent thing. Once, situational awareness is lost, a missed approach procedure is a given .
Nicely done !
Uh, I don't like the type style in the captions as well as before.
Kudos to the Flight crew for not crashing & no loss of life in tough conditions.
Methinks they shoulda called a Go-Around & diverted sooner though...
Having a cuppa, and watching a new video from you. Best way to start my day. :)
This is the best UA-cam channel out of all of them out there 🤩
Wow, surprised we got info on the fate of the crew! Glad no one was hurt!
I hope you are very proud of your work. Truly professional grade!
So many accolades for TFC, yet as visual artist, I marvel at aesthetic quality of productions. Orange cast of low altitude clouds in opening sequence is mystical. Ultimately, poor visibility due to myst was downfall of this flight...
At 12:50, you mentioned that the pilots could have used autoland to make their approach and thus reduce the chances of this happening. There’s a problem with this line of thought: autoland is available only in case the aircraft makes an approach with Cat 2 or Cat 3 ILS, and runway 09 (now 09L) did not - and still does not - have the provision for that. In other words, even if the pilots wanted to, they couldn’t. So when the pilot disconnected the autopilot at 220 feet, it was as close to possible as he could legally fly on autopilot.
It’s also sad to see that the pilots took the brunt of punitive action - what about the controllers who failed to report the falling visibility? In fact, the moment the RVR fell below 550 metres, the controller should have immediately advised the pilots to discontinue their approach and head off to their alternate, or hold overhead. The controller failed in his duty, but the pilots were punished.
Nice video as always....gpad that everyone survived ❤
I’m happy everyone ended up being okay. I however would’ve died from a heart attack.
Thankfully, the plane landed safely, and no one was hurt.
It's always in bad weather conditions when pilots have difficulty landing, and it becomes a near disaster.
Beautiful job, beautiful video. I got a true sense of the vulnerability of the plane in spite of its huge size. Perhaps because of its size.
Wait, if the captain assumed that the left runway lights were the center lights, shouldn't the RHS landing gear have been on the tarmac?
The ATC should have been suspended, too, because he wasn't keeping the flight crew apprised of the sudden deterioration in visibility. This cannot all be blamed on the pilots.
Love your videos!! 🔥❤️
Beautiful job! Font is MUCH easier to read than all caps.
Love your videos! God bless everyone!🙏
The co-pilot was more aware than the captain, called for a go around. Why was he suspended?
Probably because he did not call the go around earlier enough or ask for a weather update. Just my guess,
If the captain had taken over as PF then it doesn't seem the FO did a great job as PM. I think it says it was the captain who noticed that the localiser was off... just as the FO said to go around.
As pilot monitoring, he failed to MONITOR the ILS and alert the PF that he was deviating from the final approach course, which would have prevented the whole thing.
He was a junior in status in employment and statue personal have to think of the culture, Capt.disgauge auto, doesn't like go arounds initiates go around when the landing gear touch and compressor stall. ATC failed them with no punishment. Lack of training from the carrier for its pilots and ATC controllers. This is why alot of small carriers from the middle east are band from flying into Europe, UK, NorthAmerica ,AUSTRALIA, NZ.
@@albertomoniz9051 wondering too why there were no consequences for the ATC.
Captain and co-captain were suspended to cover-up airline policy shortcomings.
Ohhhhh yeah ! 👍🤪🤪🤪
Suspended by the authorities not the airline
Excellent video
"SAMIR, YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME, YOU'RE BREAKING THE AIRPLANE!"
Pilot: Why are you crying? You're all alive, aren't you?
Thankfully everyone survived.
Excellent video editing job. Well done
Perfect to watch as always! ATC and pilots have mistakes. ATC should've inform pilots about changing (getting worse) conditions and pilots should have monitor the instruments better. Especially about ILS alignment. Captain thought the left margin lights of runway were the centerline. If he checked the ILS, he could see they were not aligned. Thank god, everyone landed safely.
Yea, this is tough. The traditional landing is for the Captain to sight the runway, and that is then paramount. The ILS is not supposed to be relied on for the last part of the landing. The issue is that several things can lead the pilot to believe what he sees when it is not so, especially in non-ILS conditions. The airlines reaction from that is more autoland, more automation. We are rapidly converging on the airplane flying itself with the pilots just being systems monitors.
Note that a lot of light aircraft, including mine, have synthetic vision displays, which show you a depiction of the runway environment to GPS accuracy, which is actually quite good. It usually shows you the centerline within a foot or so.
Thanks, excellent as always especially blending in real video.
How does suspending the pilots for 3-6 months help, perhaps retraining and eye sight testing, downgrade the captain etc would be better.
The thing is though, after such a near disaster, being able to hold themselves together and make a safe landing is to be commended. Imagine knowing you hit the grass, then an engine stall, and getting it all together for the go around and the landing, and explaining themselves afterwards. More than I could cope with for sure.
@@FuelPoverty losing your work is better than losing your life. Pilots want to survive like every other passenger
Punishing the pilots with financial penalty- the monetary loss is considerable.
I wondered the same. Suspension isn’t what’s required.
Could have happened to anyone. The captain thought he had the runway centerline lights. He has landed the plane hundreds of times. He wouldn't have thought to check other instruments until he became uncertain he had it right.
*Again this seems like a judgement call on the part of the crew as well, I can't understand why they didn't call for a go around MUCH earlier when it was clear that the visibility was extremely poor, even if the ATC didn't give them an update. An earlier go around call would have saved them a lot of trouble, it's good that the FO finally made the call. Better late than never in this case*
I am from Nagpur, Great video!
Crazy , great vid as always
WTF is a vid?
The former captain is now working as a fry cook….
and a grass cutter as a side job?
Hey thank you for using my livery. Looks amazing on your system!❤
Very good reporting. Thank you..
Captain took "touch grass" way too seriously
😂
The aircraft @11:24 expressing what everyone was thinking about the pilot flying.
Brilliantly informative video. Well done!!
The music at the end was beyond loud. It was still a good video. Excellent quality.
They came soooo close to disaster! Great re-creation!
Everyone is criticizing captain here. yes captain was at serious fault here. Bcoz after minima We are supposed to Go around no matter the circumstance. If no visual contact with runway. But captain saw a set of lights assuming it is centre line of runway. It was a serious misjudgement by captain. But he wasn't alone. First officer is responsible for scanning the instruments constantly during landing phase. Captain continuously looks outside for visual references. If First officer would have monitored Instruments. He could have easily seen Localiser was way off. A320 is marvelous aircraft with all safety hazards taken into consideration and implemented to avoid that. ATC was also at fault after such a vigorous change in weather he should've told the crew. ATC is required to check all weather updates before giving landing clearance to aircraft. which is usually given 3-5Miles away from runway in busy airports. and around 7-9 miles in empty airports.
Don't just say about captain he had a misjudgment which happens regularly from time to time.It was low weather first officer mistake atc mistake which lead this to a combination of mistakes leading to this. Just like the Cheese model. IF at least one mistake didn't occur it wouldn't have happened.
About the touchdown on mud. Aircrafts are real badass. they are very strong. Landing gear can take some heavy hits and still stay locked. and as captain was flying it as landing so aircraft was low and smooth with flare resulting in firm touch on mud. the only issue is about the ingestion. of foreign particles in engines. which also doesn't pose severe threat as engineers know this is a issue and they have build the engines to endure hits. Engine blades on aircraft time to time bend and go off. which is replaced on regular basis depending on how much the fatigue is.
Even if engine 1 flamed out. A320 is more than capable enough to fly on one engine for longer times than you can think of. nowadays most planes have very high etops certifications. A320 neo is certified to fly 180 minutes on a single engine. which is 3 hours literal almost anywhere in India from Bangalore
Is this a different Sim than usual or just enhanced graphics? Either way, the video looks fantastic!
Everyone survived is what matters most
Ooooh I was sure this was going to end badly! A nailbiter for sure! Glad it made it - finally.
Great video
Well. I think the plane called out exactly what the pilots were at 11:30. Poor passengers almost dying.
i dont get why they blamed the pilots. Honestly they did everything they could and also safely landed without losing any lives. In the first place holding nearly a 100 lives in your hands while nearly taking them all isn't exactly helping a human's mind, on top of which the dude could barely see due to the fog. They always blame the pilot, it wasn't his fault the go around couldn't happen more effectively.
yeah true
imagine if all the passengers survived and the only fatalities is the pilots, they would still blame it on them
are you kidding? continued an approach below minimums despite losing contact with the runway, failed to notice a discrepancy between the localizer and their visual reference.
One of those situations where they created the problem by descending below minimums and somehow getting out of it
They could have diverted to another airport or even discontinued the approach ahead of time but they chose to land
Wow that could have turned out very differently. I bet the Co Pilot was crapping himself. Please can we have the capitol letters back??? Great video 👏
It's capital letters, and what capital letters do you mean?
Well, the punishment I think was a bit harsh, but......perhaps its best to be this way.....as other pilots will be more apt to not take chances and follow the protocols.....although, these pilots I'm not entirely sure did anything horribly wrong....
They did nothing wrong. Quite the contrary. Punishment was stupid. And sends a very negative signal for safety. As it can had fear. No violation, nothing. Just bad luck. And the cheese holes aligning.
@@joaodantas8530 yeah, I kind of got the sense they were more victims of circumstances and not so much their own undoing.....so I take that back and agree with you....and punishing them does make things worse for other pilots who know might fear being punished for the slightest thing and attempt to cover it up.....anyway....good chatting!
😢😢😢😢🙈💔Must broke all rules of protocols for a save people's and they !!! ...it's Mafie ....Not have scrupulos for money ....
I thought you had to have the runway in sight at minimums before attempting a landing?
The pilot did think he had the runway in sight.
@@Ayeshteni He saw lights and was blinded by the sun though.
I hope the airline fired the pilot
@11:25, the plane's response to the pilots nearly crashing it.
Its always a good day when theflightchannel uploads a video!
Finally! No more CAPITALS. I really love your videos, but the capitals sometimes were hard to read on longer texts.
Thanks for your brilliant work!
Lordy….my heart was in my throat. Thanks for another great video!
superb mister 😍
Also it’s a wonderful video keep it up
The Airbus took it's revenge @11:25 😆
Thank you it was only grass and not a hanger.
This video quality was perfect and I assume everyone survived. Great job!
Landing field lights should be of a different color than landing strip lights, IMHO.
Very well crafted TFC (as usual), thanks a lot. Fly theses second (and below) rated airlines at your own risk. 🤷🏻♂
Gawd that combustor howl at 9:43. Bewwwwuwwwwwww 😂
Did you use the latest Microsoft flight sim for this video?
He's been using Flight Sim 2020 for a while now. I think he upgraded his computer and maxed out the settings
@@vitsirosh3722 damn. It's difficult to notice when he upgraded to the newest version of the game. Idk which vid was his first after he transitioned to it
Thanks for all your hard work with your videos! So educational and interesting too
Lucky they were in an Airbus 320 and not a Boeing 737. With the poor ground clearance of the 737, it would have been mowing the grass at Bangalore.
Poor ground clearance or just lower ground clearance due to a different design?
That's a well built plane.
IIRC, for this one, another contributing factor was the fact the runway lights were set to night mode instead of bright day mode
😊you already saw pilot mentor video recently right???
Love the vids. I'll narrate them for you if you want.
WTF are vids?
The graphics show the aircraft FAR left of the paved surface, but the text says that the captain aligned the aircraft with the runway edge lights. If the text information is correct, and if the captain aligned with the edge lights, then the aircraft should be roughly half on the pavement and a little less than half off the pavement, depending on exactly how far from the actual edge of the pavement the edge lights are located.
But debris was found in BOTH main gear and braking systems, not only the left mains.
I believe the captain mistook the left runway edge lights for the right ones, and offset the normal distance from those. I can't see any other explanation for the fact at both sets of main landing gear were in the weeds instead of on the paved surface. It is a credit to the strength of the main landing gear on the A320 that they withstood such a level of abuse without failing.
@@phillee2814 That sounds like a better explanation. If he had been aligned with the edge lights, he would have been at least halfway on the pavement.
Really nice color and detail.
I literally went to plane spotting yesterday to see this now
Could you do a video on the Zagreb Collision?