I think its unfair that Zwift allows some to gain an advantage from the game vs making it purely based on your ability. Everyone participating should have the same equipment (with no Zwift gaming benefits like aeros, feathers, etc.) and they should be weighed. The fact that Zwift is allowing for this makes the race (and its results) in many ways the luck of the draw in the final 500m.
I agree that power ups shouldn't be a part of raising es as they usually aren't. And this was such an important race it shouldn't be left to random power ups whether you get in the top 10. Great race!! You are a strong rider. Loved the stream.
I definitely think Zwift needs to keep the power ups in as that adds an extra dimension to the game and the enjoyment, I would question the random draw though of when or if you get them. I would change it so at the start of the race each rider is given 4 power ups(depending on the length of race) but the rider could pick which ones they wanted. So an all rounder like Cam could mix it up a bit but a climber like Ash or Ed could have more Aeros so they don’t get completely blown away on the sprints. A sprinter like Chris P could get mostly featherweights. It doesn’t completely alter the dynamics of the race and turn a climber into Cavendish rather just gives them a fighting chance. If a rider uses them all up before the end that’s their choice, as opposed to the Russian roulette it currently is.
That is a fair suggestion. Everyone gets dealt a level hand of PU. Use them, don't use them. Kinda like EPO, we know it's out there (sadly), but if it is a level playing field and some use and others don't, at least they have the choice to or not. But you are correct, this random "luck of the draw" isn't a fair shake for the not so strong riders that could stay in a draft and fight hard at the end, but with the PU, it splits the field even more and now it's a fully Elite race. Just my novice thoughts on the matter. :) Happy racing out there.
I dont want to start playing Zwift, because of these RnG powerup thingies. It doesnt belong in this kind of eSport, its all about endurance and power. To leave it to a RnG to give someone advantage and others not, just makes the whole thing amateurish. I understand the concept, but when its RnG, it just doesnt make up for it when it all boils down to the races.
People should be able to select which ones they want before the course. That way course knowledge and personal understanding would play a role. If course with a UI as bad as zwifts, they obviously don't care about the user experience. They're making bank.
Argh. Welcome to the non aero sprint club. Missed win in swiss nationals as well because of no aero. What a joke allow PU in such events. Nice sprint though cam! Awesome rage too..lol.
How about the person who sweats to finish isn't a piece of shit, like the person using the drill?? It's called being honest and having integrity and principals.
in all honesty, most drills dont have the kind of power of 300+ watts unless they are f1 pneumatic drills. beyond that, there is no practical way to attach a drill
Hey Cam, your thoughts on the roll of a dice aspect of this event? To the spectator it seems you were edged out by 0.1s on account of not getting a decent power up at the end. Don’t think that’s anything I could get on board with.
Hi Cameron, I'm a 64 years aged Vet. I raced back in 1970's at top Amateur UK level for a few seasons. Gutted for you, about the DQ and suspension, March 2020 looms...I would focus on your proven Crit. and RR skills...Champ' You'll get over this shit... good luck...Tim
Hahahaha...love it!!!! Is it the hardest because of user cheating process,, whatever it may be??? Fok!! It’s sad people feel the need to cheat at whatever interest they are a part of... simply sad world we are living in these days..
Enjoyed the racing , so close to top ten, was going to hard for you without the aero, you did well amongst all them E bikes, look forward to your next vid of the real racing :-)
There seems to be a lot of 120CM riders lined up!! :P It just seems strange not to have more than one qualifier. Let's say some dude puts in 120 cm and 50 kg and sneaks into the top 10. Zwift has a long way to go. Firstly, they should only allow direct drive trainers in the big races. Secondly, they should lock trainers in at 100% difficulty before the races start. And NO POWER UPS for the finals!!
On the british cycling site, it says results will be ratified to ensure all in the top 10 were legit. Though yeah, I agree on the powerups, aero helmet/draft makes a huge difference, just comparing the watts of various sprints, Cam should have been in there. Most of the riders on there are generally known to be legit, the only I'd be unsure about is Adam Labbett. Power-ups could be okay if they weren't random, and its up to you to choose when you use them.
Great race Cam. It really interesting as a 40+ year old seeing what numbers you guys put out as we didnt have the kit in our youth lol! Pretty amazing really. Shame about the result. Power ups play an important role in zwift races with the aero being the best. I got an aero first lap and held it to the end for the 3rd group sprint and finished near the front of that group although about 2mins down on you guys. You had an aero first lap but used it. Question is could you have saved it like I did and got a better result of wouldn't you have been able to hang in without using it when you did? Zwift racing tactics are complex
Great effort Cam, can't believe I was shouting at a eRace on UA-cam, gutted for you that you didn't hit the top 10, but after an illness you did great, look at the names you beat.
They should take the whole of the first bunch to the live finals. Surely with the money they have they could sort 20 trainers and TVs. Would make for a better race too. (Disclaimer- I came 19th, no aero either although I’m not a sprinter anyway).
Just found this and was absolutely excited about the tough race! Maybe im totally wrong but it seems you stopped sprinting just a little bit too early and with the zwift typical tiny delay that costs you the missing tenths of a second. Could see you got overtaken on the line by that guy with the red/black shirt ... Anyway awesome race and power you showed - very impressive! 💪
I realize it sucks to be outside the top 10, but you're certainly not impressing that girl behind you: 1:48:05. She is like: "Oh dear, what have I gotten myself into?" 1:51:30
It's almost nothing like an actual race outdoors but it's a really good workout for the winter and way more motivating than the gym or intervals. The biggest thing they need to fix ( but never will ) is downhill drafting. It's catastrophically broken on zwift.
I think its unfair that Zwift allows some to gain an advantage from the game vs making it purely based on your ability. Everyone participating should have the same equipment (with no Zwift gaming benefits like aeros, feathers, etc.) and they should be weighed. The fact that Zwift is allowing for this makes the race (and its results) in many ways the luck of the draw in the final 500m.
You'd of made top 10 with an aero. Power ups shouldn't be in races.
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@@mattk8810 By skill you mean the complete randomness of what power up you get, if you get one at all?
@@Shizaru2723 I think Matts reference to skill is in regards to knowing when to best utilize the powerup to make the most of what you get.
Matt K yeah true but it doesn’t mean others should be at a disadvantage in tournaments as important as these
I agree that power ups shouldn't be a part of raising es as they usually aren't. And this was such an important race it shouldn't be left to random power ups whether you get in the top 10.
Great race!! You are a strong rider. Loved the stream.
Great effort...hard lines on the finish. I didn’t have an aero at the finish either, I blame that for trailing in 10 minutes behind you 👍🏻🤣
his warmup is literally my workout, 180 watts for 15 minutes .___.
the race stars at 33:17
Thanks bro😁
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I definitely think Zwift needs to keep the power ups in as that adds an extra dimension to the game and the enjoyment, I would question the random draw though of when or if you get them. I would change it so at the start of the race each rider is given 4 power ups(depending on the length of race) but the rider could pick which ones they wanted. So an all rounder like Cam could mix it up a bit but a climber like Ash or Ed could have more Aeros so they don’t get completely blown away on the sprints. A sprinter like Chris P could get mostly featherweights. It doesn’t completely alter the dynamics of the race and turn a climber into Cavendish rather just gives them a fighting chance. If a rider uses them all up before the end that’s their choice, as opposed to the Russian roulette it currently is.
That is a fair suggestion. Everyone gets dealt a level hand of PU. Use them, don't use them. Kinda like EPO, we know it's out there (sadly), but if it is a level playing field and some use and others don't, at least they have the choice to or not. But you are correct, this random "luck of the draw" isn't a fair shake for the not so strong riders that could stay in a draft and fight hard at the end, but with the PU, it splits the field even more and now it's a fully Elite race. Just my novice thoughts on the matter. :) Happy racing out there.
I dont want to start playing Zwift, because of these RnG powerup thingies. It doesnt belong in this kind of eSport, its all about endurance and power. To leave it to a RnG to give someone advantage and others not, just makes the whole thing amateurish. I understand the concept, but when its RnG, it just doesnt make up for it when it all boils down to the races.
just gotta get good and overcome the rng
@@druthers25 can't get good if rng slaps you in the face everytime you're getting better
@@ariezon RNG is just an excuse the weak use to justify their loss
@@druthers25 nah dude, naaaah
People should be able to select which ones they want before the course. That way course knowledge and personal understanding would play a role. If course with a UI as bad as zwifts, they obviously don't care about the user experience. They're making bank.
new mario kart looks great
Argh. Welcome to the non aero sprint club. Missed win in swiss nationals as well because of no aero. What a joke allow PU in such events. Nice sprint though cam! Awesome rage too..lol.
What stops people from putting power drill on bike and cheating?
dynamite650 people would be going way to fast for to long
I believe you must have a heart rate monitor as verification you aren't cheating
@@vyzetta i don't think so...in ny theory there's a max speed on it if you go beyond that it consider as cheating...
How about the person who sweats to finish isn't a piece of shit, like the person using the drill?? It's called being honest and having integrity and principals.
in all honesty, most drills dont have the kind of power of 300+ watts unless they are f1 pneumatic drills. beyond that, there is no practical way to attach a drill
Wow, a lot happened after this. Went from 12th to 10th, so made final, wins final, disqualified. Rollercoaster.
Jesus - the wattage is just astounding
I came here to see if my wattage was being measured correctly, I see now that this isnt a good person to compare my wattage to lol
i think i burned some calories just by watching this XD
Hey Cam, your thoughts on the roll of a dice aspect of this event? To the spectator it seems you were edged out by 0.1s on account of not getting a decent power up at the end. Don’t think that’s anything I could get on board with.
He had a Feather PU, and chose to gamble on getting the aero. The Feather is WAY better than nothing.
Agreed. Seems silly to have power ups in a final event.
P.s Cool 1st name btw. Matches mine!
But everyone can get an aero powerup before the race starts , top riders can then hold this until the final sprint or ,if weak ,you can gamble.
Hi Cameron, I'm a 64 years aged Vet. I raced back in 1970's at top Amateur UK level for a few seasons. Gutted for you, about the DQ and suspension, March 2020 looms...I would focus on your proven Crit. and RR skills...Champ' You'll get over this shit... good luck...Tim
DAMN CAM, you killed that sprint!! They should send you to the finals after they watch this video!!
didnt knew something like this exists...its a great way for motivation^^
I wonder if they dope to play this game xD
Idk if it count, but ill smoke some weed :v
What if they switched riders halfway in the race
Yea there's been a few people doing it since money involved
@@lmaofao9071 I think for the big races for money they have you weigh yourself and bike and without so they know if you switched riders in race
Hahahaha...love it!!!! Is it the hardest because of user cheating process,, whatever it may be???
Fok!! It’s sad people feel the need to cheat at whatever interest they are a part of... simply sad world we are living in these days..
Great effort especially on the back of being ill for a few days!
I got a zwift ad before the vid wowo
1:43:24 You can see my bunch coming downhill on the other side!!! LuL
Where is your result on ZwiftPower??? Seems to be missing...
in my recommended now lol, what timing
No nothing about cycling but really enjoying this! Best of luck to you and Monica for season ahead!
Everyone gets a power up….except you…damn. That was crazy.
Enjoyed the racing , so close to top ten, was going to hard for you without the aero, you did well amongst all them E bikes, look forward to your next vid of the real racing :-)
There seems to be a lot of 120CM riders lined up!! :P It just seems strange not to have more than one qualifier. Let's say some dude puts in 120 cm and 50 kg and sneaks into the top 10. Zwift has a long way to go. Firstly, they should only allow direct drive trainers in the big races. Secondly, they should lock trainers in at 100% difficulty before the races start. And NO POWER UPS for the finals!!
On the british cycling site, it says results will be ratified to ensure all in the top 10 were legit. Though yeah, I agree on the powerups, aero helmet/draft makes a huge difference, just comparing the watts of various sprints, Cam should have been in there. Most of the riders on there are generally known to be legit, the only I'd be unsure about is Adam Labbett.
Power-ups could be okay if they weren't random, and its up to you to choose when you use them.
“Sat in some flat in Birmingham” you melt😂
Bad luck Cam. Just needed a power up 🙁 Also LOL at Ian Bibby's 152 average HR 🤣
Old stream I know...but really enjoyed watching you...great effort man! What a crap deal on the power up.
Im watching this, eating cake and drinking soda
I was looking for a gameplay and that's was definitely the best
Great race Cam. It really interesting as a 40+ year old seeing what numbers you guys put out as we didnt have the kit in our youth lol! Pretty amazing really. Shame about the result. Power ups play an important role in zwift races with the aero being the best. I got an aero first lap and held it to the end for the 3rd group sprint and finished near the front of that group although about 2mins down on you guys. You had an aero first lap but used it. Question is could you have saved it like I did and got a better result of wouldn't you have been able to hang in without using it when you did? Zwift racing tactics are complex
Great effort Cam, can't believe I was shouting at a eRace on UA-cam, gutted for you that you didn't hit the top 10, but after an illness you did great, look at the names you beat.
I watched the entire video and rooting for you! Good job, Cam!
holy fuck respect that effort big time that was fuckin intense
They should take the whole of the first bunch to the live finals. Surely with the money they have they could sort 20 trainers and TVs. Would make for a better race too. (Disclaimer- I came 19th, no aero either although I’m not a sprinter anyway).
Just found this and was absolutely excited about the tough race!
Maybe im totally wrong but it seems you stopped sprinting just a little bit too early and with the zwift typical tiny delay that costs you the missing tenths of a second. Could see you got overtaken on the line by that guy with the red/black shirt ...
Anyway awesome race and power you showed - very impressive! 💪
watching this to make the time go by faster while im riding on zwift
Loved watching this mate a number of hours after the event. Unlucky in the end. You had the legs but not the aero..
Ah unlucky mate, nearly had it. You are getting stronger so you'll be back with a vengeance.
Great ride. Thanks for sharing
I just wonder what if your enemy was using e-bike? 🤔
Great effort! Fun to watch:)
200 bpm? I’ll be dead. 😬
Bad luck with the final powerup, very strong ride
There's a quote "Fucking Laverack beat me!". He's not done too badly as National Hill Climbing Champion.
How do they make sure you are telling the truth about your weight ?
Don towne in the finals They get a weigh in before the race
@@ingmarneple6072 thanks man I appreciate it!
this was in my recommendations
How long did it take you to train for this?
bad luck cam, with some cheeky pauses you can tell you were doing one or two more watts/kg than everyone in the sprint, bloody aeros
Yo this is crazy, I didn't even know this existed until today lol.
I got a Zwift advertisement before watching!
Cracking finish lad,well done 👍
Great effort Cam! I don't see your name on ZP though.
Didn't catch it live i was out riding did 97km :D but il watch a bit of it!
Why the hell there has to be somekind of special boosts that helps so much.. Better without so competition would be even for all.
Very hard!
Respect💪
U did great !!! nice race
I realize it sucks to be outside the top 10, but you're certainly not impressing that girl behind you: 1:48:05. She is like: "Oh dear, what have I gotten myself into?" 1:51:30
Wow nice bike!
Even with power ups Zwift is more even than road racing
Good effort out there bro !
Girl in the back is like "Are you done yet?" "Like, can we go out for coffee now?"
That was impressive!! Huge watts. How do you do that without a huge fan?
Hi Men, how you can conect the bike with the ps4?
Ahhhh bad luck "Bro" just outside the top 10 :)
is there aspiration, different bike etc in the game
Deep !!! Good work
You seem disappointed but u did a great job!!
You did a good job 👏
Great effort Cam. You aren't showing in ZP results or that you even raced?
I can't even keep 200w for 2 min.......
How have u got to level 24 from 16 in 3 weeks and 100 miles? 🤔
This aged well
👆
Busted ahah
If you just had aero boosts
Wow that was awesome. 1200Watts take away 1040Watts = My Watts
Fuck man great effort seems like you may have gotten snubbed there that sprint tho 👍🏼
Cant find you in the results on zwift power? And iits on your profile there either.
Respect for the. Effort
I dont understand what the problem with the aero thing is. Im new to bike racing and could someone please inform me.
Imagine playing mario kart, 10 people in front of you got a bullet bill and you didnt, just because u were unlucky
Does drafting work on Zwift?
i m realy impressed for your effort !! Viva Mexico!
At the start, what gear are u in or bias on zwift (if you can do that) to hold 300+ watts at 90rpm?
Yeah
How did Ed lab beat you in the sprint ?
He maxed at 800w or so. Dunno seems a bit odd this swift racing. Keep up the vids outdoors mate.
He had Aero PU, Cam didn't
Impressive
WOW!!!
You did great! 🤘🏻
Lol, what is that? I want one of these now....
Needs spectators on the sides of the road waving flags etc.
Why did you turn Bluetooth off at the beginning.
So whats to stop someone from hooking up an ebike or a motor to their trainer and winning that way?
what is this game?
How can you manage to stay in the yellow zone during the majority of the race. Is that normal?
How's the cycling compared to real cycling?
It's almost nothing like an actual race outdoors but it's a really good workout for the winter and way more motivating than the gym or intervals. The biggest thing they need to fix ( but never will ) is downhill drafting. It's catastrophically broken on zwift.
I can not tell from watching Cam's videos what ended up happening with his qualifying in 12th and then making it to the finals. can anyone help?
Really strong man
Why is this in my recomendation?
F****** Aero, you know somethings wrong when the whole front of the pack has blue above their heads.
Wait, didn’t he make it to the final anyway?
NICE
realy cool
What turbo trainer is cam using?