Things Every Trucker Should Know About Lumpers
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Lumpers have been around in the trucking industry for many, many years. It's nothing new.
However, lumpers, individuals or companies which unload trucks, have taken on a life of their own.
It's an industry scam, which is illegal, but in the past, not very well patrolled nor enforced.
It is illegal to charge the driver of the truck for unloading it, IF the driver is not reimbursed. So this would apply to company drivers.
As for owner operators, the arrangement with the trucking company to whom they are contracted to, should be part of their contractual agreement.
Don't get caught by paying for lumping fees and then not reimbursed in a timely manner. Best not to pay for the lumping service in the first place.
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it's a damn shame the government doesn't do his job
The truth for company drivers is, if a dispatch knows he's sending a driver to a place that uses lumpers, then he better find a way to pay in advance for that lumper fee, it's the office's job and NOT the truck driver's job to negotiate and waste his time with lumper fees, otherwise it's the last load I'm pulling for that company, my next move will be parking the truck and turning in the keys on the boss's desk, period.
Safeway, Alberstons,Vons, Kroger, Fred Meyers, Smiths , Bashas....just to name a few.....ask for a tax ID number from the lumper company
That's right!!
My only question is why does the NRA have millions of members but Ooida Has only a few hundred thousand
That is a good question! More gun owners than truck drivers I guess.
As a independent driver just add a couple hundred dollars for every delivery to the contract. Dont accept it otherwise.
I ran long haul for a local company of about 50 trucks for over 3 years. All of the scams you mentioned before were very popular. Wait times unpaid, blah blah this, blah blah that. They also tried the old lumper fee bull with me, but I told them straight up I will never have money with me to pay it so I want a company credit card number to pay the lumping fee if need be, and sure enough I was given one. It's bad enough we have to babysit someone else's truck when we are on the road without being compensated, but there's no way I'm going to start using my own money to pay for this stuff. They expected us to not run our trucks in the winter in Canada unless we absolutely had to, and didn't want us to run them in the summer. I left my truck running all the time, I didn't care about the extra .03 cents per mile for keeping my idle time down, but they still didn't care. They would call me and ask me to stop running the truck. And I would say "no that's fine I need my sleep I'll just skip the .03/mile and live more comfortable" in which they replied with saying they would put an idle shut off on my truck (go ahead I'll just idle the truck up to keep it from shutting off). Luckily there was almost no sitting time between loads (maybe one day every month or two) the pay for a 24 hour wait was a pathetic $100 for the day. With all the bullshit that long haul companies give their drivers I eventually had enough and went to work for a local company that pays me by the hour, for every hour I work. They have all kinds of benefits, and paid vacation, along with lots of hours every week and time and a half after 8 hours each day (even if I was only to work one day, anything over the 8th hour is 1 1/2 the pay). This small company I work for now has 3 trucks and 3 drivers and they treat us amazing. I get to sleep in my bed every night and they don't try to bullshit us. Christmas this year came with a $400 bonus and a 25 pound turkey, and supper at work on the last day before Christmas break. The longhaul company gave us $200 for Christmas, but they also milked us for everything. I'll never do long haul again, it's one big scam. Local and small is where it's at for me.
There is well over 25 million Mexicans illegally in the USA...
Wow! That's one hell of a lot of people! Dave
I love these companies that will pay the driver $50 to unload a trailer for the same exact load they'll pay a lumper $350. And they act like there doing you a favor like your making a huge amount of money.
I can't believe that lumping scam is still allowed.
Give me flatbed or tanker any day! I remember as a new driver 20 yrs ago lumpers saying they wanted $75-$100 for half hour work. Lumped it myself. Or them bullying me into breaking down pallets or they won't accept load. Nowadays I'd just say ok I'll take it back lol. Call dispatch and say I'm coming back or contact these jokers and straighten it out. Don't be bullied by these scammers!
More reasons to stay away from grocery warehouses...
Hell ya! Just say no.
So right because it also burns your time up to. They don't care how long you're there. They don't care it when you go pick up if you're going to be late or not either.
Used to work for a tire factory. They paid two lumpers $40 each per truck. I'm not sure who paid for them, but it was a way around union wages. They worked like slaves and ran even faster when immigration officers came around!
What's really sad is that this whole industry could be turned inside out, upside down on it's head and revamped to much much and I mean very much for the better, but that will only rely on one thing which will never ever happen. The information here is super helpful and great but just maybe some day truck drivers will decide enough is enough. I'd love to go back otr but to me it's just not worth it.
Never paid lumber fees doing flatbed. Did reefer for a couple years. Total bs.
Because of food warehouse's and lumpers, I chose to pull only tankers. Best decision of my life.
I make as a company man .51 a mile and I’m not unloading shit. Nope not a chance
Lumpers = Mafia
Sorry to say it but if I was a young person with the smarts and financial means to get a CDL I would seriously look at other options like the trades (electrician, plumber, etc.).
i didnt have that trouble with Army trucks.
I'm a trucker OTR ! And can't still not understand why as trucking companies have to pay for lumper fee!
Because they allow their customers to get away with it! It's a scam! Dave
Poor company don’t have money to pay for the lumper, that why they asking money for a driver 🤬
If it is a short haul take it back where u got it tell ur dispatcher they refused the load.
Yup! Dave
I threatened to leave a Kroger watehouse with the frozen meat load they wanted $200 for the lumpers to take off this gloor load........said if you want it it better be off by 6pm.....it was off by 6pm. I PROMISED them id sell it to mexican markets all over Phoenix....they unloaded it and banned me for life from there....iven been back dozens of times since then with another carrier and as an owner operator.
Rookie driver here and I’m glad I’ve found this channel. Very informative.
O man that much water on the floor lol that would be a nightmare
Cripes I hate dealing with lumpers! I dont get why they just cant just bill the carrier.
Capstone Logistics is the worst!!!!
I had a 3 stop load once, total $400 in lumper fees. Why? How? You're telling me a fork lift driver is getting paid $150+ to unload 6 pallets? I think not!
So..... yeah look st the load details.
Look...there is NO way around it....the company is supposed to supply you with a manual pallet jack....but they wont.....and Im not going into sub zero temperature to personally unload a -10 degree load....it suck to pay a company to TAKE THEIR OWN FREIGHT
If you're out of pocket it's illegal, not true.
Understand the difference between a carrier, shipper, and receiver/ cosigner.
Seems like this dude fucked up a contract.
Not likely. Just been to enough grocery warehouses to know.
12 million illegals? It is way more than that.
118 Lumpers saw this video
Lumpers used to be dudes down on their luck who would unload you for a few bucks. Now they are employees of private companies paying them minimum wage and charging the trucking companies several hundred dollars. Corporate greed at it's finest
Frigen great video
Thanks John!
I am thinking about trucking, and trying to learn....
If I send a load to a supermarket chain or warehouse, aren’t they responsible for unloading the vehicle? WTF are “lumpers”? People paid to unload the freight? Ok, shouldn’t the supermarket pay for that? I’m not unloading it, I’m the driver.
Lumping should be illegal. Why should I pay my money for them to unload their product that their customer ordered. Simple solution: make it illegal for driver to transfer money, regardless of money’s source for loading or unloading. Only allow carriers, shippers and consignee to handle money for loading or unloading. Also make it illegal for driver to load or unload freight at a customer that has lumpers or employees to load or unload.
Lumpers just charged my company $800 to unload and a $300 late fee
That's crazy! hopefully your company bills that right back to the shipper! They certainly should and if the shipper won't pay, drop them as a customer.
COOP in Saskatoon - Driver arrives at Coop Warehouse, receiver refuses to accept load unless taken off 4x4 pallets and placed onto Coop 3x3 pallets. After 3 hrs. of extremely "Hard" work, receiver signs bills and you are on your way. ( Here's another scam, sign in for delivery @ 6:30 delivery time) receiver has their own lumpers, with 70 trucks in line waiting to unload. "Hire a lumper, get unloaded ASAP; "Refuse to hire a lumper" wait and wait and wait some more, watch trucks come in and unload, leave while your still waiting for a door?
Only had this issue with van trailers, both dry and refer, but never with flatbed
Another scam is how companies pay you on mileage, when they pay you the shortest way possible, even when they know there’s no way you can go that way!
I just remembered a time when I got to a receiver, they begin to tell me that I need to unload this trailer, when I promptly tell them, NOT happening! After about 3 minutes going back and forth, I said, well, I’ll be in my truck! This guy literally follows me to my truck and as I get in, he’s try’s this scare tactic “I’m calling your company, and you are out of a job” my only reply was, good luck, let me know when my trailer is empty, about 10 minutes goes by and what do you know, my trailer starts bouncing around, and guess who is NOT unloading it
What a coincidence that you should address this practice. I had a rather heated interaction with a receiver in Upper New York 4 days ago and just as you stated, it was at a large grocery chain's warehouse. I've got it in writing in my contract that I will never be required to pay for the services of a "lumper". The dock foreman at this location actually threatened me. I always record my interactions with shippers and receivers. I advised the foreman that if they would not unload my truck as required in my contract, they wouldn't be getting the product. A warehouse supervisor got involved and had my truck blocked by a forklift. I called the police. I played the recording back to the officer. He immediately arrested the foreman, the supervisor and a lumper who also attempted to intimidate me. Then the warehouse manager got involved. Apologies we're given to me, my truck was immediately unloaded and the best part......the officer held firm with his decision to prosecute the 3 men. I informed my shipper and my employer. They both are standing with me.
Steven Andrews that's a rare situation where the driver finally wins. I wish there was a way to unite drivers and stop all deliveries to grocery warehouses, and then and only then will "Lumpers" cease to exist
Excellent! I love it when crooks get their just deserves! Dave
An hour ago I finished a teleconference interview with the district attorney of the county this interaction took place. I learned that the police officer of record for my case has an uncle who is a trucker. This uncle has mentioned these common place practices to his nephew. It looks like we've an Allie who wears a badge!
I wish I could give you a hundred thumbs up on your comment. From a legal aspect, not allowing you to leave is false imprisonment. Ridiculous. The thing that confuses me is that it's their freight. but YOU have to pay to unload their freight. Textbook definition of bizzaro world where everything is in reverse. .
Wow! Glad I came across your message. I’m a police officer and they are about to build a large food warehouse in my patrol area. I will make sure I inform my fellow officers of these practices by these firms. Thanks for the info. I sure hope the judge sides with you in your case.🤞
After spending the night and getting a full 10 hr. break at a customer in East Sacramento Ca., I checked in early and got a door. The workers were more concerned with goofing off and shootin’ the breeze, then the fact I still had another drop in Rocklin Ca., 80 miles away. I was late for my final and had to reschedule. I was charged a $250.00 late fee, a $300.00 rescheduling fee, $82.00 to unload their 2 pallets and a $3.00 check fee since I didn’t have cash. The name of that customer is UNFI. However, if they hold you up 4 or 5 hrs. past your appointment, all you get is “oops, our bad”. Took them 7 hrs. and 17 minutes to unload those 2 pallets.
Would like to talk to you about a lumping fee issue I have come across. If it’s okay with you. The warehouse of the restaurant chain I work for charges lumper fees to delivery drivers for the the freight that the warehouse EMPLOYEES unload. Seems illegal to me and was wondering your take on it. They don’t charge us drivers that work there Because we don’t bring in freight. We only take it out to the stores
I dropped off at brookshire in tyler tx 20 pallets for $200 not to bad but i got backed in at 4am and didn't get the call saying they're done until almost 11am. When I was still teaming with my brother in law we had a live unload in Memphis (maybe 10 pallets at most) and the lumbers told us it would be $780 it was freaking ridiculous.
Capstone is big rip off
Been a lumper for a long time but its the companies contracted overhead that takes away more than half our pay for basically doing nothing, contracts regardless they come a dime a dozen. I work my ass off sometimes having only 3-4 days off in a given month. As a Canadian before tax I will only gross 50,000-65,000 a year without any medical or benefits. Lumper companies are glorified temp agencies in the bigger picture just with a straight minded business practice. I'd like to see someone with an as hard work ethic to unload or transload 15,000-70,000lb a day and if you do have to wrap product top to the skid for 100+ pallets every single day just to try and take home $1000CDN a week, how long would you really last? Complain to the big wig corporations that take half of your wage. We aren't glorified scammers, only those who rob the drivers of time and money are. Learn the regulations and laws and keep at it. Some cans may take an hour to unload some have taken me 14hrs for crazy 60+ sku amount and piece count in mid thousands 4-6000. If we all made the wages most think we made we would not be busing to work, having parents in there 40s doing lumping as a 2nd job to even get by. Yes this is Canada and wages are shit here to. What about your 2 cents?
*On average for the top lumpers here I work with a 1-3 sku 450-700 piece 15,000lb can can be offloaded within 1-2hrs on average, depending on floor situation(staging/transload/etc) with just 1 lumper. Any longer then its temp workers or someone out to drain someones pockets.*
If i ever got asked to pay a Lumper fee, i'd straight have them know that they can unload their freight that they paid for, or they can wear it. My reverse gear works pretty good. Their call. Lmao
Another thing unis the shippers and continees, charging the carriers to unload their own freight. I dont believe in that garbage, I am a company driver, and if you have to charge me to unload your garbage, the load goes back right where it came from. Dont matter if its 10 miles or 1,000. I won't even call the truck company, I'll do it fly by night and shake everyone's God dam chereos.
When I speak about something, and I politely bring it to someone's attention. That is a warning message, if nothing happens and I become silent, it's when you should loose sleep tonight.
Personally believe unloading charges and deductions need to be handled between the trucking carrier and shipper or continee. Driver excluded. Unloading charges dont make any sense other than a company trying to steel money from another company.
You bought the shit, you want it shipped. You pay for it. Plain and simple.
Newbie here so bare with me: Umm, why the hell isn't it a mandatory policy to just have the 3rd party loader/unloader "lumper" affiliate bill the carrier directly? I would think that would avoid all the confusion on physical and financial responsibilities as well as keep proper docs for the IRS. I'm I wrong or is it not that simple of an issue?
Great laugh
Very good story. I was with UPS 33 years and never had to worry with a lot of stuff the big boys do. Knew Lumpers unloaded but no idea all the sh@5 drivers could get caught up in. Buster Brown made it easy. If I had to finger print stuff I was on the clock anyway. Most of the time they took us in and we were gone due to pre arrangements.🦇
Just say no to grocery warehouses.
Always good advice! Dave
A bearded billy big rigger truckstop lawyer.For a Canadian its perfectly legal to unload.Its considered part of the transportation service.as for the lumping services just make sure you either get paid 1st or if lumpers are required make sure its someone else's money changing hands.you take comchek? no? ok no problem let me call my dispatcher.am I in your way or you want me to leave? no problem.off to the nearest truckstop I go.Ive done ut on several occasions and it works well.
it is a ripoff to the truckers
It should be illegal!
True I work for a kroger warehouse. We're union and our company has a third party lumper company most are illegal aliens. That company makes hundreds of thousands of dollars under our roof doing our union work and the drivers pay the price
@4:34 I have to laugh, my sheriff dpt would probably do nothing. they would considered it a civil matter and would not know the laws related to it.
Got damn Grocery docks need to unload their own shit
I refuse to touch any freight,, sorry I'm not trained or licensed or want to be,,, SORRY CAN'T HELP YOU
Never give up the BL until unloaded . The load is yours and you can leave if you want if there is a problem . I have been stopped at the gates and the cop sided with me !
Any more when a cop of sherif deputy shows up for something like that they claim it’s a civil matter and not an issue they can deal with. So don’t get your hopes up.
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and make sure you have comchecks with you.
100 iv seen them charge 300
I'd love to talk to the og trucker in detail about lumper fees, his issues, and that strange water situation.
this still happens today because and only because there are more people who are willing to drive trucks than there are jobs. if there truly was a driver shortage, drivers would not have to put up with this crap.
How about companies that ask you to pay gate passes or some other expenses and take forever to reimburse and when they do, it's short $7 and if you use your Canadian credit card there is also a 2.5percent charge on the amount when used in the State. Such scammers
35 cents a mile is a joke, even for rookies honestly, if I'm not getting paid at least .50 cents a mile I'm going home.
Who would want to drive truck if they had to deal with this situation?
What if you get paid hourly and not by the mile?
Best way to go these days!!
I once hauled a load of StyroFoam drink cups to a Meijer Distribution Center in St. Louis. The Lumper fee to unload it was 300 Bucks. For boxes of StyroFoam Cups. I didn't have to pay, the company uses comcheks, but damn I would have unloaded those boxes by hand for that 300 bucks.
Lumping is a scam, pure and simple.
Armor star in chicago in the 70's. damn near got arrested.
Only 160000 0oida Members Why don’t people get involved in the industry that they’re working in🤔
Good question! I think for some people it's just a job and nothing more.
This again is our fault as truck drivers.We need to unionize and make a list of these companies and don't deliver.Just like they want you to stand on the dock and watch them.load the truck.
My company will pay me to unload an entire 53' a whole $40... Or I can cut a lumper a COMPANY CHECK for 200. Why not just make it worth my while, and we can both make money?
Kind of a slap in the head that the company thinks your time and effort is worth less than a lumpers'. Dave
tks for the info..its highly valuable
It will take about 45 minutes or extra in each stop. You operate the big truck all kind of problems along the roadway. Now to work for more stuff.
Well, it's not quite that bad flying night freight, If you are on a UPS contract, the pilot gets to load and unload the airplane, usually, it's not much in the 600 to 5000lbs range depending on the airplane. FedEx you don't touch none of it even on the Feeder routes. I did the CDL thing for a while after 9/11, it was not for me, and I just when back up to Alaska to fly bush. Hauling stuff to the villages off the road system. Loading and unloading is part of the job, but it's nowhere near the 40000 lbs of stuff you would have in the back of a trailer No matter how you cut it, its hard work, for little money when you get right down to it.
I think bush piloting would be a great job! Dave
I've got a few years on ya, but the issue with lumper's is our (Driver's) doing. Back in the day before deregulation, would assit and or hire someone to assit in off loading the truck so they could get under a load faster. We started competing withone another to the point where we would stop at a Daily Labor and hire someone last in line. One thing lead to another and boom forced lumping.
Don't have this bullshit in the UK. truckers don't load or unload their trailers at all. It is TABOO to even consider this. The responsibility is completely that the delivery company AND the recipient.
As it should be! Dave
at the grocery warehouse i work at we use capstone and the drivers hate it so much, the driver ask us if we use lumpers we just tell them yes we use capstone, every one grumbles says oh great that sucks , some are charged $300+ for the unloading
Am I the only person who thinks the lumpers should be paid by the customer or carrier and not the driver? Even if reimbursed, why make the driver responsible for paying lumpers? No one has ever been able to answer my question with anything other than, "just how it is" or "cost of doing business."
Nope, I completely agree with you! It's BS that they ask a driver to pay! Don't do it period!
Lumber fee? I don't have any money on me.... Who is going to unload this? Y'all better call my company, they will send you a comdata check. I can't unload this freight, I have a bad back. Same line ever time....... I don't unload or pay out my pocket.
Good man! Dave
Capstone Logistics.
I saw a man pay $700 for lumping a spice load.
Capstone is shady as hell.
I think lumping should be illegal. We did a video on it.
Did you see the biggest truckstop in the world by chance I-80 truckstop
Been there and stayed there many, many times. It's quite a place!
Can a American work for a Canadian trucking company?
Yes, depending on the circumstances and the arrangement.
Just drop the trailer somewhere in the middle of nowhere and go on to another load.
If they try to blackball you or sue you, that's the beautiful thing about a lawsuit. There's this thing called discovery, where all sorts of things have to be disclosed.
That's right!
You forgot to mention charges for parking in their yard when comming for delivery (30 $ in Philadelphia warehouse- onion load) .. ther is another in Philadelphia 10 $ entrance, plus 40$ to be unloaded . Those are surprise changes not mentioned in contract. Now u either lose your next load or argue with everyone who needs to pay. Ther is other charge from 10 - 100 $ if u don't have twic card.
Thanks sir. My fostration . When I delivered at some DC and they will leave left over in my trailer and write it on my bills and force me to signed it. I can get to my next pick up .it will take me long time talking to the broker what to do with it.. truck drivers are always intimidated.
Yup, and that's not right to make their problem your problem!
Good vidio, Here in the UK some grocery chains mainly from Germany make drivers unload there own truck and the way they get round it is buy telling you the driver, if you don't like it take the load away as there are plenty more trucks coming into the warehouse with the same goods. You get to use their equipment for unloading but what if you have an accident, who pays, not the grocery warehouse, your boss will say you should not have been using their gear as your not insured to.
Paid lumpers $400.00 in New York City to unload one trailer. As a company driver, I was reimbursed eventually.
I would tell them either you unload your stuff or I'm sure them homeless people would live to help.
Every new truck driver should watch your vids as part of their training.
I some times I go to a certain grocery warehouse , and told no drivers allowed on the dock. The receiver says they will unload. when all said and done upon checking out you have to pay a lumper service and they won't tell you up front. They got one heck of a racket going
They sure do! Should be illegal in my opinion!
if anything the receiver should pay for the lumper. why the hell is the trucker or trucking company paying for an unload the receiver paid to have shipped to them?
Lumper fee should already be squared away!!! Drivers should not have to stand in line at 3am to pay for a lumper. Some places are prepaid and it’s such a pleasure. No hassle No fuss
I dk what these lumpers are.
I worked sams club harris teeter dollar tree home depot hydrodyne engineering.
Every company had employees that unloaded the trucks we were all paid houlry by the company we were mostly full time employees.
I think if im delivering somewhere and they ask for payment i think I would simply say sorry i dont got money for it and i cant physically do the labor
Not to throw names around, but Capstone is the worst. They always take hours to unload. I've gotten a 10 hour reset twice while waiting to unload thanks to Capstone at two different locations.
35 cents per mile????
I loaded at a frozen fish warehouse down on the south side of Boston last year, and on the shipping office wall it said, “This is a driver load and unload facility. Drivers are responsible for counting.” I didn’t load it. The lumper paid to get it loaded. I delivered it to the same company in Chicago, and no lumper was needed. All I did was bump the dock. Go figure that out.
Just a racket. Dave
Isn't that theft of services?
I'd say it is. Dave
I run into them all the time