Dungeon Tile Plunger Cutters by Green Stuff World (Black Magic Craft Episode 077)
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
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This episode I test out a nifty new tool from Green Stuff World, the Dungeon Plunger Cutters! A way to make excellent looking dungeon tiles out of Sculpey, Fimor, or other polymer clay.
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"WILL THESE WORK WITH FOAM?" "WILL THESE WORK WITH FOAMCORE?"
Ya'll is killin' me.....as I said in the video (come on guys watch the whole thing), these do not work well in XPS foam. That includes dollar store foamcore which IS think XPS. While foamcore is a less dense XPS, and these do imprint better on it than insulation foam, it does also crush the foam in a bad way to do so. If you want something for foam, these are not the tool for you (the rollers are). These are designed to work with polymer clay and they work PERFECTLY for that.
Thanks. I think in general when we hear you say "XPS foam" we all just picture foamular in our heads. :)
True...but several people asked specifically "Does it work on XPS?".....shake my head....
Yeah.....I saw that...... I got nothin'
But i want them too,........ what if they were METAL... \m/.....\m/
Maybe use a roller on a large bit of foam and then cut it into the dungeon tiles. Not as immediate as a tile plunger would be, but still fast and you could vary it far more than with the plungers.
Now add a good gingerbread recipe and boom edible dungeons?
Omg -- dungeon birthday cake!
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Marzipan!
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@@pauln2661 Ooooo!!! MARZIPAN YES!!!
Worth noting is that you can use the untextured cutting one in combination with the rolling pins if you want to make wood or other similarly sized tiles with different patterns. Just spread the clay, roll your roller over it and then quickly cut the tiles using the plunger.
I was thinking that, also, as I saw the blank cutters, in the video. Good catch.
That is a great idea! I use the rollers and some of my clay shape cutters already. The plunger makes it simple.
Hmmmm this got me thinking... I have a lot of old cookie cutters and fondant plungers I never use and now I consider using them for fimo to use in dungeons. Thanks for the idea!
I'm a member/admin of a central Ohio gaming group (OGRE: Ohio Gaming Recreational Enthusiasts) and your videos and this community are fantastic. Been gaming since 1986, but I'm just starting crafting (I consider myself level 1 Crafter at this point) and these have been absolutely great and informative. Love the supplies vid; it's helped so much.
Lol, I started a short lived local game group called the Orleans Gamers and Roleplayers Enclave (also ORGE) nice to see great minds think alike...
Is it just me, or was the first thought for others the same:
“Dungeon tile cookies!!!!!!”
These cutters are usually made for cake decorating, a Christmas gingerbread dungeon would be so sick!!! Snowy ruins with icing and sprinkle details 👌
Love the look of those thin tiles. Space saving options really are a blessing to have sometimes.
A word from someone who has made a LOT of stuff from polymer. Using spray paint is generally NOT an option for longterm use. It will work for immediate gratification, but will dissolve your clay over time leaving things tacky and super, super disgusting.
There are a few kinds of sprays that are PC compatible, but they are few and far between and if you don't get those specifically you're in for a world of grossness a few months down the road.
Was just thinking the same thing.
If you painted them with an acrylic base or gesso first it would be ok, but at that point, might as well keep hand painting.
This is the most valuable comment in the comment section. Polymer clay is not my area of expertise, I've only used it one or two times before.
Daniell Kinder, is this true for original sculpy too?
Oh man I LOVE those color variations at 3:32...
Hey Wyloch are we going to see you review these in the near future?
I think the boss covered 'em great. I wouldn't have much more to add...I'm eager to see what he does with them.
Me too.....Ive been secretly itching to build a set of detailed tiles with a more refined painting scheme like these samples.
the new lock system would be nice with them
Agreed! A quick vid on how you got that look would be very nice. ;)
I just received the plungers I bought from them (because of this video) and they work very very well with DAS clay
I was wondering - thanks Shay.
Polymer-clay is awesome for many things Jeremy. I've done Millipore for many years. It's a great way to make tokens. If you ever decide to make canes to make tokens I recommend a pasta roller and cake dies. The dies are used to extrude the clay into different shapes to build the image. Wrap roll cut and bake. It's really easy and fun.
Good video for several reasons. You outlined what you get out of the box as well as pros and cons. You called out specific products that would or would not work with the plungers so people using the wrong clay won't be wasting their time. Very well done.
Interesting! I'm not into modelling (yet), but I use these types of cutters for ceramics and they're great for tiny objects. I think these things were originally sold for fondant which is probably why they're so well suited to clay-like materials.
As soon as you said 1.25" was available, I made my first purchase from their site. Got a brick and cobblestone roller too. ;)
I absolutely love this channel! I never thought making my own dungeon tiles was possible until I discovered this. Thank you for putting your hard work and dedication in making these videos so we can make our own. Thank you people too for purchasing from is Amazon thingy and buying his merch so he can keep making these amazing videos for us! I can't wait until I am able to make some tiles and start creating my own adventures. 🐼🐻💙💛💚
Ooh fairy garden paths! 😍... and awesome dungeon tiles too obviously 😉
sometimes too many coincidences mean no coincidence at all
You have unintentionally contributed to improving tabletop crafting in a new way
Works perfectly with Das, doesn’t stick and tiles are very well defined.
Idk about dungeon tile making but this would be great for clay sculptors who makes figures out of clay and need a fancy base.
Totally.....thats really what the rolling pins are meant for too.
Jeremy I am a follower of yours and patreon yours too, 10 days ago I bought the Dungeon Tile Plunger Cutters by Green Stuff World because I love D & D and I follow your steps, I believed that this service would serve for XPS foam and thus facilitate the elaboration of the dungeon tiles but not is asin I can only do as you do and comment on the video, tb I am with you in that said cutter is good for making the tiles that another great master craftsman makes like Wyloch's Crafting, in short I will follow your steps and investigate some way to use them with the XPS foam and you will get it to know; I loved your video of the stone bridge and everything you do and make.
P: D: Sorry for my English since it is not very good and I use the google translator for it.
Sorry this video was not made before you purchased them. They are great for using in clay, but really not very useful with foam.
Jeremy you're right, it's a shame that it is not useful with the foam but I know that you and all your patreons in which I include myself will look for a way to get useful for it and also trust that you will be able to find utility or way of power use them in foam.
Thank you for answering me jeremy a greeting and hug from a follower of yours from Spain.
Use a cheap release powder with your air dry clay, like a light dusting of flour or baking soda. Or a lubricant spray. Or just a silicon lubricant.
Lay an even, thin coating of the release powder (Don't dust it on but no caking. Like powdering a pastry) and then punch your mold on it. No guarantee to work, but it helps. The more detailed the mold, the harder it is to get a smooth release.
Yes, this leaves powder residue on your clay. Remove what you can with a stiff paint brush after the clay is dry and just call it tile-unique texturing.
or plastic wrap between the clay and the cutter ?
Love your videos. The other possibility with the blank plunger is to , use roller pins on the clay and then cut them out with the blank. That could speed up the process.
Thanks Jeremy! Didn't know about them, but your review has made me decide to buy it. I hope i can show you some ideas which are just spawning. Thank you.
I really like these with the Sculpy clay. I travel when I DM which makes the larger foam tiles a little inconvenient. Plus living in a small apartment makes working with large sheets of foam difficult. I may need to pick this up!
Honestly the rollers and the blue stuff that you can use for making casts are my personal favourite items they have made thus far
I need to get my hands on some of that blue stuff.
Thanks for the review, appreciated. Was hoping you would say they work with foam. Guess I'll have to go with the rolling pins.
I hope they make hex patterns in the future, that would make my day!
Being able to punch out a Battletech board would be amazing.
+1 for me!
I had tried my GS rolling pins on that cheap craft store air-dry clay, and also found it too sticky. I didn't know there were other better types of clay, thanks for the recommendation on that (and obviously on the plungers!).
Do you think these plungers would work on foam core board?
Oh you'd have to ask the man himself. In the video he seemed pretty clear that these won't work on foam. I would assume that also means foamcore board...
As mentioned in the video......these are not suitable for foam.
As for the clay, that cheap natural clay is terrible, but I just played with some DAS (white) air dry clay for another project and it works much better, and would likely work well with these.
Sorry, you said "XPS" not foam core, and I thought it might be different. Additionally, those textured rolling pins are just fondant texture rollers with a jacked up price. You can get almost identical ones on wish for under 5 bucks. And, another thought, I bet that this stuff would work brilliantly with monster mud. that would be an incredibly cheap and quick way to use them.
XPS means extruded polystyrene.... which foamcore is made from. Insulation foam is also made from xps....they are both xps foam.
And those roller are similar to fondant rollers, but fondant rollers usually have a reversed pattern, and patterns that are far bigger and not actually designed for building things at 28mm scale like the GSW ones are. By all means, if you don't believe me, buy some of those $5 rolling pins and see for yourself.
I think this works on cold porcelain (cornstarch+glue+otherthings). Where I live this is the best choice of modeling clay that hardens over time. I might get an eye on this if I wish to try.
Wow this is exactly what I need. I love Wyloch's system but the chipboard for me seemed a little too crafty for my taste, this is the perfect blend for me of fancy and function. Thanks man.
Same here
yup... wanted to cast some tiles but didn't want to deal with the cost of molds and time for the plaster to set... these solve that problem. Ordered and thanks for the videos!
I used a cold porcelain mix to make some of those. Working well. Some do warp.
Very nice, I love the end result! It's a shame they don't work on foam, but then I struggle to peel the paper off anyway.
I'd considered making some things similar to them and basically being two step cookie cutters for foam to make some tiles and basing patterns. Two step being the outer edge being the cut for the square and the step up inside for the details of the stonework
Just a thought but baby powder may work as a mold release if your using a sticky clay with theas tile stamps just dust some of the powder on the clay and some in the mold.
I would argue that these will DEFINITETLY speed up your build process if you are using Hirst Arts molds or similar. Being able to roll out a large piece of clay, stamp out as many tiles as you need and throw them in the oven for 10-15min is insanely faster than using a wet product with molds. Thanks for the informative video and the heads up, I bought the rolling pins more than a year ago(originally found them on eBay) and haven't been following Green Stuffs product line lately.
I wonder how well it would work if you put some cling wrap over the earthen clay before you stamp it. It wouldn't stick to the plunger and it should still make the impression in the clay. Just an idea! I think I'll be purchasing some of these to tinker with! Thanks for the video!
This is great for me, since I'm already invested in FIMO product creations for my board games and wanting to delve into D&D.
This looked very interesting, as I'm a terrain builder/painter for a live stream DnD show on Twitch, but you pointed out that it wouldn't be useful for speeding up a build. BUT...it could be useful for a special location or one-shot event within a campaign.
Thanks for the video.
What's the channel?
twitch.tv/QuestsAndChaos
Try using talcum powder on the tool and air clay to help stop the clay sticking, the same as using it for milliput and fimo/ sculpy
After seeing your video, I bought two rollers and cited you as a referral.
Cool beans, hope you used the promo code for the discount!
Just to spread this around since it's not well known; you can make oven bake polymer clay like sculpey really cheaply by mixing plastisol ink and white kaolin clay until the texture is what you want.
I thought this would be great for making ascent pieces for cabinets, mantle, shelves, etc.
One comment I came across, someone mentioned making bases for larger models.
So many uses beyond dungeon building makes the cost of the work material worth it.
There are also paper clay type air dry mediums, mostly made in Japan. It looks like fluffy putty and can be easy to work with, tho you may have to check out comparison view to see which type is best for you personally (cost vrs feel vrs smell vrs availability in your country ect)
There is even paperclay that is used to make flower petals. It dries super thin hard but flexible. That might be useful in models for cloth and curtains at windows or trees
Regarding the cost efficiency of using these tiles with Sculpey or other polymer clays. You could make a few set pieces like rooms, corridors, etc., and then use a molding compound to duplicate the pieces and cast them in a plaster of your choice such as Ultracal, dental stone, or whatnot. I'm ordering these soon and plan on doing that very thing. Thanks for the excellent review Jeremy. :)
So I come from a Games workshop start point, I ended up useing milliput over greenstuff (greenstuff from GW costs an arm and a leg), milliput is a bit messier than greenstuff as it works more like clay when wet but it sets up HARD without the need to bake it, milliput has saved my butt I had a hexagon fish tank that sprung a leak after quickly saving the fish I used the putty to fix up the tank, it wasn’t pretty but it lasted the two years I had that tank for it comes in four types with the white been really good for modelling work as you can carve it and sand it.
Use the Proxxon to cut tiles that fit the plunger.
Put the tile you cut into the plunger/cutter.
Stamp the tile with the plungers on a hard surface.
Cutting tiles the size of the plunger/cutter is easy on a proxxon and you can make tons in nothing flat.
This removes the issue of the plunger/cutter not having the ability to cut foam.
These look like really good basing tools to me. Use the plunger to make a textured ... slug, glue it on top of your mini's base, and trim to fit the rim of the base.
yup, works great for that.
Very interesting, informative and educational, as usual. Thanks!
How about individual figure bases? Do they make round versions?
I really like GSW products, I bought a set of the rolling pins a few years ago when the range was still pretty small, about half a dozen, AND. I see now that range includes Necron and Eldar style items I can obtain from here in the UK ☺
maybe using a powder like corn starch to coat the plungers to prevent sticking? also, could they work with plaster or paper maché?
I'm thinking maybe paper clay could work (as a possibly cheaper alternative).
It's in my experience a bit drier than the usual (cheaper) air-dry clay
I have just recently discovered your videos, and I have a question concerning these cutters. Do you think they will work with the newer product of foam clay? This is a new product that recently came out primarily for adding details to foam props and sculpting. It starts out soft like clay, then hardens into a quite durable foam surface.
I am very new to the craft part of this but I just bought some of these! Can’t wait for them to arrive! I’m sure mine will not be as awesome as yours, but it’s still looks fun!
I reckon if they made a big press version with replaceable textures to make rooms and path ways to save time cause you can easily cut 1 or 2 tiles from the total press for small bases or tiles
also if they sharpened it up to use on foam for the imprints they would open a massive market to both clay and foam users.
Just thinking about it,
I wonder if they added lines to the rolling pin whether it would create an even grid/ tile texture
Looks great. Works for 2 x 2. 3 x3 might not be too bad, but what about 6x6 and 12x12? Those center ones have to be a bit rough
Nice review.
Slightly off topic, but about the GS rollers, I was on shiftinglands website the other day and saw that they now offer a holder for the GS rollers to aid in using the rollers on foam. Id be curious to know how it works
I used a salt dough and it worked fine. the trick is to use just enough water to bind it jet not make it sticky and to use powdered salt to give you a nice and smooth salt dough. i dont know how well it paints though...
Might give them a try on readiboard foamboards that are like 3/8" thick to cut tiles easier.
Forgive me if someone already suggested this, but would using some sort of non-stick kitchen spray possibly help with keeping cheap air dry clay from sticking to the plungers where water didn't? Only thing I'm not sure of is whether it would keep the tiles from drying properly afterward. Personally if I went this route I'd be fine with using Sculpy, but for those who want to save every possible penny....
It likely would, but I was also unsure if it would have some negative effects afterwards on the clay.
I use a combination of Wyloch style tiles and 1 inch xps tile for hirst arts tiles. The heights work well together. I'll find some pictures later.
have you experimented with super flex (sculpy that's flexible after baking), glow in the dark and other variants?
When working with the air dry clay, you'd need something to coat the plunger so the clay won't stick. A little bit of cornstarch, or even freezing the plunger should work.
Now.... you know you have to make some cookie tiles... eat the dungeon!
The only rational thing to do
Have you experimented with thick mixed plaster or drywall mud?
Remind me of Hirst Arts tilesets. Ever play with those? Time consuming but nice results, but I really like the low profile of this style. Got me thinking it might just be easier to use the log rollers though.
This is actually pretty interesting, the idea of using polymer clay for dungeon building... With thinner tiles it becomes easier to make identifiable 3d elements... Also, you can stretch the product more and get consistent results by rolling out the clay with a pasta machine at your chosen thickness and then going through and stamping away...
Plus there's the option to use paper clay instead of polymer clay for an air-dry option (and you can make it at home with cheap supplies).
On top of that, making stage dressing/props for your rooms becomes much easier and more feasible (since you are no longer working with tiny pieces of foam) and there's a million tools for small sculpting or molds for small items like bottles.
Very interesting! Thank you for the interesting idea!
or even air dry clay. clay is heavy, more likely to stay still
I just got some DAS, which I think will work well with these and be much cheaper than polymer clay.
I use a clay machine (pasta roller) to roll my clay out. It is definitely worth it to be able to roll the clay out quickly and evenly.
Did you try brushing acetone onto them before trying on XPS foam?
I feel like these would be nice to use as details for your tile system. Cut out the standard 3x3 foam tile and just glue 9 of these on top.
I've been debating it.....and shaving down the foam to remove the thickness of the clay tiles so the finished product is the same thickness as my other ones.
Black Magic Craft I'd be interested to see how it would turn out. Considering picking these up for some small diorama displays.
This could be used for areas of the dungeon where you want extra detail, at least.
It’s great to go back and watch these videos and realize that in the future shifting lands will come from Germany to visit 😳😳
Can I ask you a question you often talk about mod podge green stuff milliput and styrofoam whatever happened to "salt dough" 🤔
Hi, great vid. Can I ask where you got your paint rack in the background? Thanks
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Considering buying this stuff to try, can anyone tell me if one of the clays he recommends is a better quality than the other one?
here is an idea, rather than using them as cookie cutters where you're imprinting them into the foam, or other materials, you could use them as "stamps" (there are other stamp products out there too) with ink or paint. So you could texture the foam per usual then use the stamps for the "texture" stamps for whatever you style you want, cobblestone, tiles, plain/blank. etc. www.d4d6d8d10d12d20.com
I was thinking the same thing while watching the vid. What's the verdict on stamping with them, Jeremy?
Like a paint stamp? similar to what DM Scotty makes for tilescapes? That would probably work pretty well, I just personally don't like stonework to be "faked" that way.
Fair enough
Man! I totally missed this video. Bummer that they don't work on foam. Someone recently pointed out Wyloch to me and I've reintroduced myself to DM Scotty. I really want to build some dungeon tiles and some space tiles, but I need to make sure I don't drop all my other projects. The fact that people disliked this video blows my mind.
I’ve bought these wonderful pieces but I’ve hit a bit of a bump. I bought some sculpy and it’s the original white compound but it’s CONSTANTLY sticking and I don’t know how to help that, would you have any suggestions?
Would salt dough maybe also an option for those cutters? I can remember using that as a kid for some modeling :)
Don't know if anny of you already did this but: DAS modelling clay worked verry good for me and i didn't have to bake them. In the netherlands you can buy this stuff for €1 +/- €3 in the dollar stores and you have like 1kg of clay. So you can make a lot of tiles.
Cool video, just wish you would have shown what it looked like on xps foam and dollar tree foam. I know you mentioned it not working, but a lot of us are stubborn ....LOL. Wish they made these out of metal, so they would work on foam! Keep up the great work!
On XPS foam the indentation was so weak I doubt I'd be able to capture it on video. On $store foamcore it worked a bit better, but totally crushed it in a bad way.
Wait... will these work to emboss the pattern on foam? Are they cut deep enough for that?
Do you have a pasta roller? You'll love it...
Pretty nifty. Seems like the round Dias around the press would make it a bit awkward to line up multiple tiles in a row? May have to try this on my kind of foam to see how well it works on my tiles. Have you tried these on your foam? Thanks for the upload man
I'm interested in knowing if you can impress this on foam as well.. Seems like you can just line up the edges..
yeah that's how i would see it working as well. I use a different kind of foam than XPS. For imprints i need to heat my foam a bit so i have to make sure i can do this efficiently and quickly before the foam cools to get a great impression.
If you watched the video he said they did not work on xps
Bailey Moyers must have missed that part thanks for the recovery
I'll ignore the part where you asked about the thing I answered in the video ;)
It may work on other types of foam, like EVA, but I dont work with that so I cant say.
The round bet definately gets in the way if you are trying to line up the squares, but punching out of clay you dont need to line them up perfectly as you can reuse the bits between the cut outs.
Did they work with the modeling clay?
I'm excited to see you do wyloch style tiles
Thank you for the review! Does save me a few euros for now.... Maybe GSW will respond by improving the material, quality and design options (ie. wood planks and so on). I am wondering if they could work on wet/soaked cardboard/cardstock though???
I remember from my printing days, that there were forms which used plastic bus metal bars as well (considering these forms had to withstand the pressure of a printing press for thousands of copies).
I can't say the quality of these need improvement. They work perfectly for their intended purpose, they just work poorly doing something I WANTED them to do but they weren't designed to do. I do hope they make more variety of patterns though, and maybe some hex versions.
I feel like the only thing I might use that for would be make a second story to a dungeon, but the thin tiles may be useful for that
These would be cool for miniature bases aswell.
@6:00 coat the plungers with a mold release wax? Even brush on vaseline, then stamp out the air dry clay?
I wonder if this would be less crappy on a traditional clay if some sort of mold-release/vaseline were used?
Have you considered using a layer of plastic wrap (saran) as a barrier between the punch and the dollar store clay? Avoids the sticking, and, if you use a small sheet of mda as a surface, you can just flip over a sheet of the tiles and let them air dry right on the plastic film. Peel and paint after they dry. Just an idea. If it works send me an eMail (or a set of punches would be nice ;oP)
Did you or anyone get a chance to try it with the better air dry clay like DAS?
I was looking at your shop section of the website and noticed that there isn’t a listing of chipboard. Amy overlooking it or is there not one there?
Can you suggest a good one? Maybe do a vid on chipboard tips and how it can integrate with your foam builds.
Thanks!! Keep up the great vids.
I don't have it listed since its not a material I use often, but it is important to get the correct stuff to maximize thinness vs sturdiness. This is the exact one I ordered: amzn.to/2Fr9C10
Did you ever try these on Plasticine to make your master tile then mold it in silicone for resin casting?
Ok so I am seeing this video a year later as I am a new subscriber so not sure if you will read this question. What color paints and washes did you use on these tiles? They are gorgeous!
You think I remember? Also it doesn't matter. Use a variety of greys and reddish browns, off white drybrush. Black wash. Like I did here: ua-cam.com/video/2Er9Cmznlqg/v-deo.html
Also both sizes are the base size of most fantasy wargames been 20 and 25mm respectively for things like Warhammer Demons and kings of war orcs ect use 25mm square bases or 1 1/4 in size so you can make base toppers
Totally
Awesome! Thanks for posting this review.
I have been playing with these. They would work better for Wyloch tiles if there was a an additional plunger of 1.25"x1" tile. I have been cutting the 1.25" square down, but they don't looks as nice.
You can actually make sculpy/fimo. It's incredibly cheap that way
Was any release agent used when working with the cheaper clays?
I work at a sculpture studio amd we often use linseed oils aa a release when working with modeling clays.
Just a sugestion for anyone wanting to try it and save a few bucks.
I use cornstarch with polymer clay as a release agent.
Adding a bit of sand to the clay will help with stamping.