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I have the 23mm, f1.2, the 27mm f2 and the 35mm f1.2 The 23mm f1.2 has the same issue as the 18mm - that very short arc between infinity and 2m and I think I know why. It looks like Cosina is using the same lens body and helicoid for the 23mm and the 35mm. That results in an adequate throw for the 35, but a short one for the 23mm. I think they're doing the same thing for the 27mm and the 18mm - same body, same helicoid, same problem - adequate throw for the 27mm, inadequate for the 18mm.
It's irritating that Cosina chose not to design an appropriate helicoid for each focal length, instead of cheaping out like this, especially considering the prices of these lenses.
The good news is though, once we're aware of the issue and why, it's not the deal breaker that one would think. I've gotten used to the 23mm and I'll get used to the 18mm.
Thank you for this input! Just today I recorded my next video about Voigtlander and touched on this points.
Indeed is not a deal breaker - but it could have been better 😔
Love the Ultron 27mm f/2. And would love to love this lens, too, but I really wish it was f/2 instead of f/2.8. At the expense of being a bit bigger.
Buy the Fuji 18mm f2
Exactly my reaction when I saw the focusing scale. For me that's a big miss from Voigt, and I will not spend money for it. And people who think that there is no DOF issue on a 18mm are wrong (I have a XF 14mm and have anyway to care for DOF if I want pin sharp at the right place).
Exactly!!!
Have you tried the 23 1.2 Nokton? It’s gorgeous!
Do you think the 18mm Voigtländer is similar sharp as the Fuji 18/1,4 at 2.8?
I don't know for sure...
Great review! In terms of character, image quality and joy of use... which lens between 27 f2 and 18 f2.8 do you prefer?
18mm f2.8
is it actually a review? Tudor hasn't really used this 18mm. The pictures shown are those with 27mm.
I'll stick with my fuji 18mm f2 thanks ....
The reason why there are not 3 and 5 meters is because of the Aps size, the depth of field increases exponentially after the 2 meters mark. In other words in terms of the distance scale of the markings there 3 and 5 meters are too close to even bothee put them.
Yes...
which is larger 27mm or 18mm voigtlander can u compare?
Both lenses are small, similar size
Have you tried this 18mm lens on the X-Pro 3 ? Any guide lines in the optical VF ? Any parallax correction ? Thanks !
Not yet, but Fujifilm X-pro3 doesn't show the 18mm frame lines. So no parallax correction - you can test with 18mm F2 in manual mode. You just see the green arrows - the OVF is not made for this focal length.
@@Tudor_Mateescu Thanks !
Excellent video 😊!
Great review! I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on the Viltrox 27mm F/1.2 when you get a chance to review it.
"this is apsc and you can be more lose with the focusing throw" -- why? this is a silly statement. 18mm is 18mm, sensor size only matters for field of view. The DOF of 18mm is the DFO of 18mm. You are comparing this to a 35mm lens, which makes no sense whatsoever.
There is no point in marking anything between 2 meters and infinity. It's just in focus at that distance.
Even at f2.8 ? I assure you I have the Ultron 27mm F2 and the focus throw is too short - I said it's ok (but not perfect and ideal - for many a deal breaker).
I'm betting it's also the case here - not ideal. But it's working - because "look is aps-c 18mm dof" the geeks will say.
In real world use I need more focus throw - I'm not buying an f2.8 to shoot it at f11.
@@Tudor_Mateescu Not quite, according to the math of this, but that's ntot a suitable aperture for using the zone focusing scale anyway.
The point is that this scale behave exponentially, whereas the focus throw is lienar. So if you provide a lot of space between 2 and infinity on a 18mm lens you also need to give a lot of space in the near focus area and end up with a very silly focus throw for such a wide lens.
Math doesn't take photos. I told you the Ultron focus throw is crippled (too short no 5m mark)- it's also the case here - it could be better.
@@Tudor_Mateescu "Math doesn't take photos" - Hmn, yes it does ... it models the physical world, in this case the behavior of light in optics.
Seriosuly. though, in a wide-angle lens a short focus throw (i.e. the distance my hand has to turn) is preferrable. Since focus should also be linear, and DOF behaves exponentially, having a very short distance on dial between 2 meters and infinity is a necessary design trade-off.
You can't have both.
Hi Tudor, did you get a chance to use this lens now?
Not yet... I can't find it to buy it for the moment 😕
@@Tudor_Mateescu ahhhh. Too bad. Thanks! There are some here in Canada but I haven’t bought either. Waiting for your review. lol. Thank you
I am sure that once
you have the lens on the camera, then all of the many comments you made about the focusing scale and all the questions you pose will be answered as you look through the viewfinder, bearing in mind that's its a wide angle lens and from F4 everything will be in focus anyway. So, I'm not working about it and look forward to pulling the trigger in this one.
I have Ultron 27mm and by using it this days is confirming my worries. The ergonomics because of this scale (no 5m mark on Ultron) aren't great. Is not a deal breaker (for the moment) because the image is stellar - if you have the people in focus. But it could be better. Probably the experience will be the same on 18mm f2.
Again - not a deal breaker. I will still buy it and use it. But on full frame we have better options and controls.
I'll explain more in a feature video about this design of the scale.
What lens is mounted on the x pro 3 at minute 0.03?
Fujifilm 27mm f2.8
@@Tudor_Mateescu tnks.
The hyperfocal front distance of this lens is 2.93 meters. You don't need 3m marking....
Maybe I want to shoot at f2.8.... how do I focus than easily precisely a subject at 3.5m distance from me?
@Tudor_Mateescu for 3 m at f2.8 it will be sharp, but not pin sharp. If you want a pin sharp use AF lens...
@@BorisTepeshanov or a better build manual focusing lens (how they are making for Leicas).
@@Tudor_Mateescu long story :)
The focus scale is a deal breaker
Nice and small for street when I don't want to carry my Fuji 18 f1.4, but too expensive. I'm waiting for the TTArtisan version for $150 :)
Good idea!
TTartisan have a 17mm F1.4 - not a great lens but not bad
@@davidbrighten2572maybe not as good but from what I’ve read, neither this Voigtlander is sharp wide open. That means that if I stop down my 100$ TTArtisan from f/1.4 to f/2.8 both lens are equally bright and the TTArtisan with be good enough for a 17mm lens. Maybe I was lucky with my copy but that’s what is bothering me, why I keep letting GAS take over me on this videos trying to find reasons to buy a better lens when I cannot se a reason (aside weather sealed missing) to let go my TTArtisan 17mm. A bit soft on the corners wide open and hard vignette… that’s all this lens suffers and I really want to have the chance to compare my copy with the 18mm Voigtlander but please for who says TTArtisan 17 is not good should see some of my imagens (maybe I was lucky).