Juicero: the $400 juicer that couldn't make juice

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  • @kaveh_m_beigi
    @kaveh_m_beigi 4 роки тому +2739

    Really enjoy this channel thanks.
    I think they would’ve had a good business if they focused on the right revenue model. The juicer should have been literally given away for free or for 50 bucks. They could have made their huge profits from subscription to the juice bags. If they did that they would have had many more subscribers and none of them would’ve cared that you can squeeze the bag and get the juice. Oh well, hindsight is 2020. Shame

    • @slidebean
      @slidebean  4 роки тому +139

      Thank you for your feedback, Kaveh!

    • @alexanderj4545
      @alexanderj4545 4 роки тому +170

      Agree, strange why they didn't use the Nespresso coffee capsules model.

    • @alexanderj4545
      @alexanderj4545 4 роки тому +30

      Informative video, but keep in mind that hardware innovation/RD is often different from software...

    • @DerDudelino
      @DerDudelino 4 роки тому +111

      Yes. Pretty happy that's not the case though - this is as bad for the environment as something like Nespresso capsules. You are producing a giant amount of trash since one bag is literally one glas. Would be much nicer to invent a gold press juicer where you put in - well real vegetables and fruits :)

    • @alexanderj4545
      @alexanderj4545 4 роки тому +33

      @@DerDudelino Actually the Nespresso capsules are 100% recyclable. Alu is reprocessed and they could (maybe they do) recycle the coffee grounds . For example Ford uses coffee grounds to make interior panels in some of their cars. Of course it's up to the customer of the capsules to send it back to be recycled.

  • @yakovhadash
    @yakovhadash 4 роки тому +4092

    you can also get the nutrients from fruit, by EATING THE FRUIT

    • @juliac8225
      @juliac8225 4 роки тому +432

      But then you can't charge customers $400

    • @viktorskarlatov8227
      @viktorskarlatov8227 3 роки тому +344

      Also fruits don't have apps...

    • @spinalcrackerbox
      @spinalcrackerbox 3 роки тому +288

      @@viktorskarlatov8227 Except for App les 😁

    • @danielm6341
      @danielm6341 3 роки тому +112

      Chewing? Eww.

    • @visagemsc
      @visagemsc 3 роки тому +30

      @@spinalcrackerbox oh god

  • @ZeroHBRPro
    @ZeroHBRPro 4 роки тому +4713

    I really hate the "need" to make an app for everything. Just let me have a goddamn cup of juice

    • @exppenguin
      @exppenguin 4 роки тому +380

      I also hate the need for some products to be connected to wifi for no reason

    • @joshmaday1462
      @joshmaday1462 3 роки тому +138

      Fortunately, I think this very product brought such ire from the general public, that a lot of companies are now gun-shy to make things connected for no reason. Juicero brought a lot of ire from the general public not only because of the price, but also because it was connected, but gave absolutely no benefit to the user, it only guarded the company’s ROI. I’m not opposed to having options for connected devices, but it had better allow me to do something with it that’s A: not possible without a connection, and B: is actually useful to me.

    • @jaysparc
      @jaysparc 3 роки тому +10

      No millennial has ever said that.

    • @shawklan27
      @shawklan27 3 роки тому +32

      Word it's just useless fluff to make something have the illusion of being more important than it actually is

    • @louieg7676
      @louieg7676 3 роки тому +18

      I think the app is for consumption monitoring so they can profit even more from their customers. It will provide data such as the which product sells more, how many days can you consume 1 bag, types of product a certain area prefers etc etc. The product is dumb but I think the IoT and monitoring for the bags were a good idea. Use the data to squeeze more money from the customers. Juice the juicer users.

  • @puluzo
    @puluzo 4 роки тому +2233

    They turned very simple thing into a very complex thing.

  • @matzeselloggs2392
    @matzeselloggs2392 4 роки тому +2721

    imagine every food needed a juicero-like device. eg. a stove which would only cook stuff from its mother company.
    a dream for big food companies - food dictatorship

    • @NeoPsychosis-zg2ki
      @NeoPsychosis-zg2ki 4 роки тому +58

      NESTLE had already done it !

    • @fakeplaystore7991
      @fakeplaystore7991 3 роки тому +179

      @Loli4lyf Not really. Any microwave oven can cook any frozen food package, no matter what brand they are. Also, a microwave oven is just a heating device; so you can, at the bare minimum, use it to reheat frozen food that you made yourself.

    • @jonny5777
      @jonny5777 3 роки тому +42

      I like the way you think. How about a TV that only played Sony produced movies

    • @wclark3196
      @wclark3196 3 роки тому +35

      @@jonny5777 The format wars with Beta and VHS as well as HD-DVD and Blu-ray did essentially that. Console exclusives do the same thing with videogames. No way I'm buying a Playstation just so I can play The Last of Us. That last one particularly makes no sense. The conventional wisdom is that Sony doesn't make much profit off each console sold and makes a better return on selling games.

    • @jonny5777
      @jonny5777 3 роки тому +3

      W Clark haha good point. I’ve always been a PlayStation guy but for things like fallout and modding Xbox or PCs are way better. If I could I’d have every console going but I’m too sensible and tight.

  • @GrizDrummer25
    @GrizDrummer25 4 роки тому +1950

    Fun fact, this guy also went on to bring us "raw water". So a real winner all around xD

    • @machinerin151
      @machinerin151 4 роки тому +143

      Oh boy. I remember that CGP Grey video about death, where he claims that the people don't remix water and sewage to bring back cholera, and therefore won't reinvent the Grim Reaper when he's gone.
      Well, Antivaxxers, raw water drinkers, essential oil sniffers and all that all natural diseased crowd begs to differ.

    • @wclark3196
      @wclark3196 3 роки тому +46

      @@machinerin151 Don't forget the raw milk fans..

    • @jantschierschky3461
      @jantschierschky3461 3 роки тому +33

      @@wclark3196 actually raw milk tastes great, but point taken

    • @a.a.g.h.1679
      @a.a.g.h.1679 3 роки тому +73

      W Clark you can drink raw milk, but you have to drink while it’s still hot out of the cow, you can’t cool it down at all before drinking it.
      Then again, this was true when my mom was growing up and did some farming, so maybe things have changed? But yeah, generally don’t drink raw milk unless you can get it directly from a cow

    • @wilhelm_carstens
      @wilhelm_carstens 3 роки тому +39

      @The Monster Under Your Bed dude... no, just.... no - pasteurization has been a huge boon to humanity, we really shouldn't be aspiring to go backwards as a species

  • @prithviraj1080
    @prithviraj1080 4 роки тому +722

    As a consumer, I would never have bought an appliance that promised to keep billing me forever. Besides, it was never a juicer at all, it was only a machine that pressed.

    • @mycomadam
      @mycomadam 4 роки тому +9

      Do you have a printer?

    • @xThexMasterxProx
      @xThexMasterxProx 3 роки тому +105

      @@mycomadam well you cant print with your bare hands?

    • @swaggsmr.2607
      @swaggsmr.2607 3 роки тому +8

      @@xThexMasterxProx you can inred colour tho

    • @sagichdirdochnicht4653
      @sagichdirdochnicht4653 3 роки тому +40

      @@mycomadam I can't print with my hands. Yeah Ink cartridges are maybe a scam, but at least there are cheap knock offs, altough they suck, since they sometimes work and sometimes not.
      Alternatively, there are printers with ink tanks. They do cost quite a bit more (printer manufacturers usually make a loss on printers, because they plan on selling you extremely expansive cartridges). But once bought, you can infinitely refill them with cheap, fluid ink.
      There are also laser printers. Again, way more expansive to buy, but they just work and the toners are compared to ink cartridges quite cheap.

    • @hitemwid1t
      @hitemwid1t 3 роки тому +4

      @@sagichdirdochnicht4653 I had a stroke reading your comment

  • @rogerlopz
    @rogerlopz 4 роки тому +1618

    Yeah, I think I will keep squeezing oranges with my eye, the traditional way

    • @EssOneFive
      @EssOneFive 4 роки тому +96

      Roger Lopez you mean there’s a better way?!

    • @rileycoyote4924
      @rileycoyote4924 3 роки тому +53

      That's right Troy!

    • @ValentinoHarpa
      @ValentinoHarpa 3 роки тому +31

      Nice Simpsons reference there

    • @qfox16789
      @qfox16789 3 роки тому +33

      You got all that juice from one bag of oranges?

    • @leakedtrailersinc.6734
      @leakedtrailersinc.6734 3 роки тому +4

      I prefer to juice oranges with my hands instead of my eye

  • @venomkiler1
    @venomkiler1 4 роки тому +368

    2:43 imagine spending all that time and money on making a juicer instead of just bottling the juice and selling it that way. I mean they were already making and packing the fruit, just forget the juicer and sell the juice in bags

    • @thefakedeal
      @thefakedeal 4 роки тому +62

      It seems like the dumb silicon valley investers were only interested if it had IOT logo.

    • @rengurenge
      @rengurenge 3 роки тому +60

      @Erik Cnating Yes but this machine doesn't press juice, it only pushes juice out of plastic bag into cup, it's already not fresh juice in that plastic bag. Freshly pressed juice is not equivalent to freshly pressed out of plastic bag juice.

    • @MikeMessiah
      @MikeMessiah 3 роки тому +51

      you think their main profit came from selling the juice and the machine? The real intention is data harvesting. Why was Google invested in this? Because they wanted personal info on our eating/drinking habit, health condition, health timing etc.

    • @maciejgada740
      @maciejgada740 3 роки тому +8

      @@MikeMessiah EZ
      Sell jucie in bags with QR code/NFC chip that will be scanned by user into their "eating notebook".
      By this you can open way for other preprocessed food when you will want to grow with new products.

    • @MikeMessiah
      @MikeMessiah 3 роки тому +24

      @Erik Cnating Do you think Google is interesting in selling juice ? All the businesses Google is associated with is based on data harvesting. Look at UA-cam. Its a money pit for Google, year after year loss, but what they profit in return is our personal data, behavior, preference etc which helps their other service.

  • @TESkyrimizer
    @TESkyrimizer 3 роки тому +355

    There is an ancient Chinese fable which actually reflects Juicero's failure very well.
    At a drawing competition, several artists are competing to see who can draw a snake the fastest. The first man to finish decides that since he is already done he can embellish it a little. So he adds feet, wings, horns.
    But he loses the competition because he was supposed to draw a snake.
    Juicero, likewise, is a juicer which forces the customer to pay $699 extra for all the company's unwanted high tech IoT costs when all they wanted was a juicer.

    • @gianghuynh9570
      @gianghuynh9570 3 роки тому +58

      There is a similar story from Vietnam, artists are asked by the king to draw animals, have to be life like, and as many as possible. The most enthusiastic ones drew fish, dragon, tiger with intricate details. One guy dipped his fingers in ink, dragged it across the paper and called the doodles earth worms. He defended his alleged cheat by saying that the earth worms are more useful to human than the other animals being drawn here, which are only valued for their superficial looks. The king declared him the victor because he drew more animal than his peers in less time it took them to draw one. It is a lesson to be practical, but also a lesson to be wary of sweet talker, because often time they are more coy than skills.

    • @Gras_Sho_Pper
      @Gras_Sho_Pper 3 роки тому +5

      @@gianghuynh9570 hey I’ve also heard that story in Thailand. Cool story.

    • @Bustycat
      @Bustycat 3 роки тому +16

      The first man would be a very successful furry artist on Patreon.

    • @martymcfly88mph35
      @martymcfly88mph35 3 роки тому +1

      @@Bustycat sicko

    • @user-gk9dp9mh6m
      @user-gk9dp9mh6m 3 роки тому +4

      画蛇添足

  • @KrisHandsome
    @KrisHandsome 4 роки тому +875

    It wouldn’t juice packs that aren’t made by Juicero?
    They literally made a juicer with DRM😂

    • @Envengerx
      @Envengerx 3 роки тому +44

      You can't buy juice packs without the juicer.

    • @pariscloud2907
      @pariscloud2907 3 роки тому +65

      @@Envengerx So it's even more limiting and stupid

    • @sagichdirdochnicht4653
      @sagichdirdochnicht4653 3 роки тому +66

      Also, while they call it a juicer, it just isn't.
      A Juicer in my book is a machine, that turns vegetables and fruits into juice. This machine can't.
      Literally all it does is to apply force to a bag of juice. Wich can be acchieved with bare hands. Alternatively you could use a knife to open the bag and pour it into a glass.
      This machine is so useless, it's genious.

    • @ajemajh
      @ajemajh 3 роки тому +12

      juicer with drm. what the fuck am i just hear

    • @maximestormflower7171
      @maximestormflower7171 3 роки тому +1

      Inside the bag is diced fruits. Therefore the activity of squeezing it still count as juicing.

  • @StalkedByLosers
    @StalkedByLosers 4 роки тому +935

    This video doesnt emphasize enough what a scam Juicero turned out to be. Their juicer could not cold press enough juice in the space provided by the machine (they didnt want to make a bigger machine) and they had issues with cleaning. So those bags, which you are forced to buy, had PREJUICED veggies in them. That is the reason users were able to squeeze them by hand, and it is the reason why the shelf life was 8 days and that is why they needed to know the demands for each bag flavor in advance (so that they could ramp up their industrial juicers on demand). The whole company turned out to be a scam, despite having a nice looking overpriced machine.

    • @aliensoup2420
      @aliensoup2420 4 роки тому +105

      Rather similar to Theranos... promising an innovative, miracle machine, while in the background processing the main product or service in a traditional manner to create the appearance of success.

    • @anujmchitale
      @anujmchitale 4 роки тому +91

      @@aliensoup2420 Atleast this one had a poorly working machine. Theranos had absolutely nothing to show.

    • @minihackerme
      @minihackerme 4 роки тому +87

      The prejuiced veggies makes a lot of sense. I was gonna say if it was so easy to squeeze, why not sell the bags directly to be squeezed by hand, without the machine. Since the whole point of the machine was the sell the bags anyway. If the bags are already prejuiced, just sell the juice in a bottle and be done with it.

    • @wclark3196
      @wclark3196 3 роки тому +67

      @@minihackerme A big part of their revenue stream was intended to be selling your personal data that they collected from the juicers.

    • @curlyfm
      @curlyfm 3 роки тому +12

      They scammed themselves haha

  • @wonghenry8731
    @wonghenry8731 4 роки тому +874

    And according to Penguinz0, after the fall of Jucerio, Doug Evans decided to sell raw water.

    • @newnamesameperson397
      @newnamesameperson397 4 роки тому +10

      Lol is that what he's calling tap water

    • @Jay-lb2ot
      @Jay-lb2ot 4 роки тому +87

      its the current year even worse, it didnt go through any sort of filtering technique that normal tap went through

    • @ZeroHBRPro
      @ZeroHBRPro 4 роки тому +107

      @@newnamesameperson397 even worse: it's water from streams, infected with all sorts of e.coli and staphilococcus

    • @vikramkrishnan6414
      @vikramkrishnan6414 3 роки тому +16

      Hey, I heard it's great for weight loss ;)

    • @JohnSmith-lk9fv
      @JohnSmith-lk9fv 3 роки тому +9

      Vikram Krishnan all natural cleanse.

  • @siddharthreddy3933
    @siddharthreddy3933 4 роки тому +390

    What to do to avoid a disaster similar to Juicero?
    9:19
    “First, Build a product that ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING”
    hahaha hilarious

  • @lambda6564
    @lambda6564 3 роки тому +170

    I personally think that the always-internet strategy of some companies is totally unneccecary. i mean: just give me an analog button to start the damn machine and leave me alone!

    • @mehere8299
      @mehere8299 3 роки тому +26

      It was necessary for the company. Part of their profits were to have come from selling customer data.

    • @houseofhas9355
      @houseofhas9355 3 роки тому +13

      But then How we get you into subscription model. You sir are a “ theft of profits”

    • @mythosinfinite6736
      @mythosinfinite6736 3 роки тому +6

      They know it's inconvenient, they just don't care. They're designed to benefit the producer at the expense of the consumer. They overcome this by marketing products as revolutionary in order to sucker in technophiles with surface-level knowledge, stars in their eyes, and wads in their wallets. It's very gross.

    • @jaime9927
      @jaime9927 3 роки тому

      But then they wouldn't be able to check if the bag expired

  • @ErnestJay88
    @ErnestJay88 3 роки тому +277

    Why Juicero fails ? simple answer :
    Smart people vs stupid investor.
    no seriously, nobody wanna spend $700 for hydraulic press machine, let alone it only capable to press a juicero product and nothing else.

    • @yatish007
      @yatish007 3 роки тому +6

      Jajajaja exactly
      What shitheads were the investors 😂

    • @sephikong8323
      @sephikong8323 3 роки тому +11

      Nah, it had a clear target demographic in mind : Socal and Seattle residents
      But apparently, that's not a big enough demographic to turn a real profit for a 120 million dollar project that sells for "only" a few hundreds a piece (relevant when you are targeting such a small demographic) and the subscription takes a long amount of time to be truly profitable as well, who would have guessed it would end in a disaster

    • @ataphelicopter5734
      @ataphelicopter5734 3 роки тому +9

      I would pay that for a hydraulic press that _ACTUALLY WORKED_
      but alas, this garbage does not

  • @anemoneyas
    @anemoneyas 3 роки тому +129

    "theft of profits" is a truly insane turn of phrase

    • @nono-fb8tr
      @nono-fb8tr 3 роки тому +23

      ikrrr you can't steal something that isn't someone else's! Someone else here used the phrase "food dictatorship".

    • @jonathandpg6115
      @jonathandpg6115 3 роки тому +17

      IMO the only reason keurig was so popular over the other companies is the fact that anyone can make a “pod” that’s compatible. Otherwise there are better products out there.

    • @TakeMeOffYourMailingList
      @TakeMeOffYourMailingList 3 роки тому +5

      Profit already is theft, so stealing profits is just handling stolen goods.

    • @TheMrKeksLp
      @TheMrKeksLp 3 роки тому +9

      @@TakeMeOffYourMailingList What the hell are you even saying

    • @kenjako
      @kenjako 3 роки тому +4

      @@TheMrKeksLp go study about how capital is made and you'll understand

  • @thebasketballhistorian3291
    @thebasketballhistorian3291 3 роки тому +56

    6:20 Rolling my eyes this guy thought he was being as innovative as Steve Jobs.
    IT'S JUST A MACHINE THAT SQUEEZES BAGS!!

  • @shortsupply4760
    @shortsupply4760 4 роки тому +534

    Did anyone else notice the pie chart at 8:17 that makes absolutely no sense at all?

    • @afternaphair
      @afternaphair 3 роки тому

      hahahaha

    • @Pentti_Hilkuri
      @Pentti_Hilkuri 3 роки тому +51

      It's just probably a 130% pie...

    • @blastodermis
      @blastodermis 3 роки тому +30

      @@Pentti_Hilkuri more like a 75~80% chart. You know, that 25% uses around a third of the space.

    • @blastodermis
      @blastodermis 3 роки тому +2

      @@Psilanthropy I'm well aware. But in the chart we are discussing it does. Thus the total wouldn't be 130% as indicated by @Pentti Hilkuri

    • @Solisium-Channel
      @Solisium-Channel 3 роки тому +10

      That’s 1/3 not 1/4 of the chart

  • @puppable
    @puppable 4 роки тому +117

    Hearing this dude talk about Juicero's DRM like it's a good thing is such a weird bizarro world experience

    • @yungamurai
      @yungamurai 3 роки тому +31

      woob I know right, he also seems to completely miss the fact that this machine is basically a scam. It doesn’t do anything other than squish a ridiculously overpriced bag of mashed up fruit.

    • @ChamberK-1
      @ChamberK-1 3 роки тому +9

      I don’t think he’s talking about it like it’s a good thing.

  • @exgeeinteractive
    @exgeeinteractive 3 роки тому +42

    1. Here, take the pressing machine for free, or in some sort of rental/subscription.
    2. Make huge profits from the juice bags themselves.

    • @carjac820
      @carjac820 3 роки тому +12

      Ah yess... a classic printer economics.

    • @toomanyaccounts
      @toomanyaccounts 3 роки тому +2

      1. the pressing machine cost 1k to 2k to make since it was so overdesigned and super machined. the materials alone were several hundred dollars worth of salvage
      2. the bags if the presser was any indication on how they set things up, they were losing several dollars for each bag that was made.

  • @ianpatrickwijaya2657
    @ianpatrickwijaya2657 4 роки тому +163

    "master, what is my purpose"
    "you press liquids"
    "oh"

    • @pokemonmanic3595
      @pokemonmanic3595 3 роки тому +6

      Yeah welcome to the club pal.

    • @mwanikimwaniki6801
      @mwanikimwaniki6801 3 роки тому +4

      @@pokemonmanic3595 culture

    • @firefox5133
      @firefox5133 3 роки тому +4

      "you lightly squeeze bags with pre-pressed juice inside to get the juice out"
      "oh really"
      "oh yeah you also sell people's data"
      "wow"

  • @Dousan02
    @Dousan02 3 роки тому +97

    - Food security: an edge case at best
    - Balance: Can be squeeze by hand
    - Decision-making: zero direct benefit to the consumer
    These are all value propositions for the COMPANY, not the consumer

    • @BlazeMakesGames
      @BlazeMakesGames 3 роки тому +9

      for real, when I read their reasons I was like, "so you don't actually have any good reasons that benefit the consumer" I'd bet a million dollars that if you offered the head of this company a cup of Jucerio juice and a cup of hand-squeezed juice, they wouldn't be able to tell the difference

    • @Yodascloaca
      @Yodascloaca 3 роки тому +3

      it seems like the tech could be rerouted to a commercial level and save some companies millions but a single house would see no value in it.

    • @siddhanthravichandran3245
      @siddhanthravichandran3245 3 роки тому +9

      So instead of just printing an expiration date on the packet.... They coded the expiration date onto a QR code which the machine scans and then tells you.... Talk about beating around the bush.

    • @kenjako
      @kenjako 3 роки тому +2

      @@siddhanthravichandran3245 well the purpose of that was to get their costumers into their app so they would have access to the personal data and then sell it like fb does so it was more of a scam

    • @JaggedBird
      @JaggedBird 2 роки тому +1

      Truer words never were said on this awful money waste.

  • @eduardog3000
    @eduardog3000 3 роки тому +98

    4:37 "Theft of profit"
    Selling a physical item that you had manufactured isn't theft. The consumers bought the device, they can do what they want with it, including use other pods.

    • @aetherius6221
      @aetherius6221 3 роки тому +20

      Imagine defending large corporations.

    • @yourlocalfalcomain5597
      @yourlocalfalcomain5597 3 роки тому +1

      @@aetherius6221 ikr he's a sheep or used to work for google

    • @guerra_dos_bichos
      @guerra_dos_bichos 3 роки тому +1

      @@yourlocalfalcomain5597 weird way to say he's successful

    • @yourlocalfalcomain5597
      @yourlocalfalcomain5597 3 роки тому

      @@guerra_dos_bichos lmao true

    • @jerombe352
      @jerombe352 2 роки тому

      Keurigs are still a thing too, and they’ve been very successful, so I have no idea what he’s going on about with the “theft” thing

  • @clownfromclowntown
    @clownfromclowntown 3 роки тому +49

    Juicero’s model honestly reminds me the “wrong” way to donate. Sometimes donations come to those in developing countries not in the form of actual help, but just something to survive. Sort of like, rather than helping someone create a sustainable rice farm, they just give that farmer bags of rice every month. Juicero does something very similar where rather than giving the consumer the ability to turn any produce into a juiced drink, they’re handing them bags of what the company thinks they deserve. It takes the control away from the user and makes them dependent on another entity for their machine to function. I bet if they made a no nonsense straight juicing machine without any of those packets of a wifi connection, they’d still be in business.

  • @carlphilippgaebler5704
    @carlphilippgaebler5704 2 роки тому +14

    My favorite part was when they explained what Juicero has to uniquely offer and 2 of the 3 points were situations where the machine refuses to operate

    • @christianeriksson4733
      @christianeriksson4733 2 роки тому +1

      Best point made so far. If your USP is that the device you're selling will stop working of you don't continue to provide increasing profit for the company, then maybe it is shit.

  • @bruno-tt
    @bruno-tt 3 роки тому +109

    8:21 bruh how is that 25%

    • @conanichigawa
      @conanichigawa 3 роки тому

      Yeah, I immediately paused the video seeing that pie graph.

  • @austinhuber3131
    @austinhuber3131 3 роки тому +8

    This story is the greatest example of how incredibly smart, market savvy people can be incredibly out of touch with their customers. All these online features, all this research, but people wanted a juicer, not an overpriced, high tech bag opener.

  • @arshanmostafavi9621
    @arshanmostafavi9621 3 роки тому +11

    Imagine you had to buy a $700 device with your $2 box of Capri sun’s just to squeeze it out !

  • @OccupiedMuffins
    @OccupiedMuffins 3 роки тому +43

    I’ll never understand how anyone thought this was a good idea

    • @axelpatrickb.pingol3228
      @axelpatrickb.pingol3228 3 роки тому +3

      Don't underestimate human impressionability. Give it enough spin, you can sell them rocks...

    • @XanthinZarda
      @XanthinZarda 3 роки тому +4

      It's a great idea misapplied to the entirely wrong sector and users. An NFC tagging database of products connected to an online repository would be great for industrial product management.
      Just not for a 500$ juice press.

    • @Weareonenation303
      @Weareonenation303 3 роки тому +3

      Ask the 60 IQ investors at Google. Any idea is great when you're dumber than a brick.

    • @leonrobinson8180
      @leonrobinson8180 3 роки тому +1

      Just add some Silicon Valley technobabble to it and it'll get backed. Apps, internet of things, minimal design, Steve Jobs, etc.

  • @T33K3SS3LCH3N
    @T33K3SS3LCH3N 3 роки тому +2

    What really interested investors were the "DRM" applied to a physical machine (only accepting official bags) and the subscription service.
    It's about translating successful digital monetisation schemes to previously analogue appliances.
    Similar anti-consumer strategies are exactly what made devices like printers already regulated in many countries, forcing them to accept third party ink cartridges by law.

  • @adanactnomew7085
    @adanactnomew7085 3 роки тому +17

    If someone ever uses the term "Internet of things" they are either 60 years + or selling you a useless product.

  • @MGW27
    @MGW27 3 роки тому +5

    2:50 "An extravagant juicer."
    I don't know why but something about that line made me crack up.

  • @DarkAudit
    @DarkAudit 4 роки тому +36

    There's a teardown video of one of these machines showing just how overengineered they were.

    • @alaeriia01
      @alaeriia01 4 роки тому +7

      AvE did a teardown. It was glorious.

    • @jarkkehhh213
      @jarkkehhh213 3 роки тому +2

      @@alaeriia01 Beautifully built, but why? lol

    • @martymcfly88mph35
      @martymcfly88mph35 3 роки тому +1

      Just give me a machine that presses together and we're good. Screw the app

  • @gormobro
    @gormobro 3 роки тому +34

    8:20 You say 25% but then show a pie chart for 33%

  • @floater7082
    @floater7082 3 роки тому +6

    7:50 is like modern artists trying to explain why a completly white canvas is actually very hard to make

  • @gap6922
    @gap6922 4 роки тому +74

    These guys are like math exercises
    They turn the simple into hard

  • @patavinity1262
    @patavinity1262 3 роки тому +4

    If they had only sold pre-packaged, ready-to-juice chunks of fruit and vegetables that the machine would juice for you, instead of bags of juice that the machine just poured into a glass, then I think it could have taken off. As long the machine appeared to be *doing* something, it would still have appealed to people, even though the essential concept would still be exactly the same.

  • @josephclarke6770
    @josephclarke6770 3 роки тому +83

    I really wonder how some of these investment professionals have jobs; this was so obviously a crap idea.

    • @axelpatrickb.pingol3228
      @axelpatrickb.pingol3228 3 роки тому +2

      That is the nature of investments (it's a bet in design) and failure is an integral part of investing. Mark Twain for example lost a lot of money from failed investments similar to this...

    • @toomanyaccounts
      @toomanyaccounts 3 роки тому

      @@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 Mark Twain had the problem of picking inventors who instead of getting a product out that was functional, instead constantly tried to perfect the product. The functional products would have sold and sold well but the desire to make them perfect meant someone else came to the market first with the functional product

    • @travis1240
      @travis1240 3 роки тому +2

      Well, yes and no. There are plenty of high priced products in the health and wellness space that are dubious at best. There's so much snake oil. It's to the point where it's really hard for someone with a rational mind to tell which products will succeed and which will fail. The fact that it was worthless is almost beside the point.

  • @SimonSozzi7258
    @SimonSozzi7258 4 роки тому +39

    Dude, it was a money grab! A scam!

    • @Kncperseus
      @Kncperseus 4 роки тому

      Nope. The founder is an idiot.

    • @TheAkashicTraveller
      @TheAkashicTraveller 3 роки тому

      @@Kncperseus The people who gave him money even more so.

  • @rezzob
    @rezzob 3 роки тому +7

    "what went wrong?" being a silly idea probably is on the top of the list.

  • @Kncperseus
    @Kncperseus 4 роки тому +6

    I'm just gonna say that the 120 million $ funding they got was for making people believe that those juice packets actually had solid food inside them that only could be made into juice by the ultra-expensive machine.

    • @slidebean
      @slidebean  4 роки тому

      Thank you for watching!

  • @martelmatisse5609
    @martelmatisse5609 4 роки тому +27

    I see Slidebean Startup Forensics, I click...

  • @CSSSURIBHASKERSRIHARSHA
    @CSSSURIBHASKERSRIHARSHA 3 роки тому +2

    He was imitating Steve Jobs. The look and feel of the product, the price tag says it all.

  • @Sai4651
    @Sai4651 4 роки тому +22

    It seemed like a good idea, it's just that the juicer was completely worthless and they made the idea too complicated with technology. It's a juicer, why would I want another app on my phone for that.

    • @slidebean
      @slidebean  4 роки тому +1

      Thank you for watching!

    • @blackeesh463
      @blackeesh463 4 роки тому

      So how did it sound like a good idea?

    • @Sai4651
      @Sai4651 4 роки тому +1

      @@blackeesh463 A juicer seems convenient and healthy. It was a good idea, but it's price was way too high because it tried to be to techy and the juicer was essentially worthless as we found out.

    • @Ziggy_Stark.
      @Ziggy_Stark. 3 роки тому +6

      Ummm...... It didn't do any juicing. It's a bag squeezer.

    • @nox5555
      @nox5555 3 роки тому

      @@Sai4651 i already have a juicer,top of the line , made in italy, very nice design, good power, easy to clean, and way below 400$ in price...

  • @Nirrrina
    @Nirrrina 3 роки тому +4

    At this point I wouldn't be surprised if my cats suddenly had internet and if I want a cuddle I have to pay for that selection.

  • @NoahHornberger
    @NoahHornberger 3 роки тому +2

    your analysis and tips at the end go way beyond what many similar channels do. bravo for connecting to the viewer with real insight and lessons learned, not just the typical from-a-distance views and opinions

    • @slidebean
      @slidebean  3 роки тому

      Thank you so mucho, Noah!

  • @skepticbubble3166
    @skepticbubble3166 4 роки тому +35

    Keep this series going

  • @JM-fv8un
    @JM-fv8un 4 роки тому +3

    This series is amazing man. Almost watched every video in the last week. Top notch content 👌🏽

    • @slidebean
      @slidebean  4 роки тому +1

      Fantastic! Thank you for your comment! Glad it was useful!

  • @KudosK42
    @KudosK42 3 роки тому +8

    Releasing a product 1 day before April Fools Day is not a good marketing strategy.

  • @ca-ke9493
    @ca-ke9493 3 роки тому

    I never noticed that this is basically a advertisement for their own product slidebean, on their own youtube channel. Very smart.

  • @rexs.5188
    @rexs.5188 3 роки тому +3

    That's a lot of investment for just squeezing a bag of liquid

  • @Vedrajrm
    @Vedrajrm 3 роки тому +16

    At $99
    And with 3 weeks shelf life for the bags, it would’ve been a great product

    • @ignazs.5816
      @ignazs.5816 3 роки тому

      And cheaper juices.

    • @channel5980
      @channel5980 3 роки тому

      It would've been a great product if it had never existed. It was nothing but an extremely overpriced press that employed the printer/razor/video game console... business model.

  • @kencouch6609
    @kencouch6609 4 роки тому +5

    From a retired CPA and former coo of several companies, great channel

  • @BanLag3188
    @BanLag3188 2 роки тому +2

    I think Juicero is just a social experiment/feasibility study to see how far people are willing to buy overpriced, overcomplicated, and impractical products.

  • @krateproductions4872
    @krateproductions4872 3 роки тому +2

    How did I not watch such High Quality videos before!?

  • @cherubin7th
    @cherubin7th 3 роки тому +5

    8:00 You can make a machine that does all that for less than 50 $. Just use a cheap press, a cheap Arduino, cheap code reader and a bit of software.

    • @spacequeen8329
      @spacequeen8329 3 роки тому

      Or a book with facts about fruits and vegetables, which you can read while drinking juice from a bottle.

  • @adrians.7489
    @adrians.7489 4 роки тому +4

    Haha - this was one of suggestions! You did it! Thanks Jose!

    • @slidebean
      @slidebean  4 роки тому +1

      Yaaasss! We always listen :)

  • @SB-fj4om
    @SB-fj4om 3 роки тому +2

    “can 60 seconds and a unicorn that managed to raise 120M dollars? 🤔”
    Bro thats deep

  • @maitequilla
    @maitequilla 3 роки тому +1

    The idea of the juice in the bags was honetly AMAZING, if they had stayed selling the bags of juice they would have made so much money

  • @KZ-hu9uj
    @KZ-hu9uj 4 роки тому +7

    Wow I literally drove by Organic Avenue in my bus on the way to middle school, and remember it suddenly being closed :0 cool :)

  • @ka0t1k1
    @ka0t1k1 3 роки тому +3

    Ahh yes, juice DRM. Exactly what my life was missing.

  • @machinerin151
    @machinerin151 4 роки тому

    "Overengineered" is an understatement.
    A cheapo STM32 processor costs less than $10. A cheapo BT+Wifi module - another $10. Fixed focus camera - less than $5.
    What I think they should've offered is Juicero 3, Juicero 5 and Juicero 7.
    Juicero 3 - a device with just $25 of electronics and that presses with a simple hang crank. Sell it for $25. Yes, at a loss.
    Juicero 5 - a device with the same electronics, but with a basic motor to slowly press the juice. $60.
    Juicero 7 - that's the Apple-esque California-oriented original, though simplified a bit. $200, quick one-touch squeeze.
    And sell these on the grocery store shelf, right next to the packages. And make the packages cheap: like, $2-$4. To do that - get the big guys on board.

  • @TheAlastairBrown
    @TheAlastairBrown 4 роки тому +1

    I think it's completely inappropriate to describe competitor capsules to Keurig as "Theft of profits". Theft implies illegality - and to make matters worse, Keurig was actually sued by Treehouse Foods/customers in a class action lawsuit alleging anti-competitive practices regarding the DRM on the new machines, the case passed the first hurdle and was allowed to proceed because Keurig's motion to dismiss the class action was denied.
    The case is currently making its way through the SDNY court system. If I was putting my money on it it was Keurig that acted illegally, it certainly wasn't to help consumers, but who knows, juries are unpredictable.

  • @bishnugaire20
    @bishnugaire20 4 роки тому +8

    So all that time no-one thought to just squeeze it with hands?

    • @sitcomchristian6886
      @sitcomchristian6886 4 роки тому +4

      No, because you could only buy the bags if you owned a juicer. Why would they squeeze the bags manually if they own the juicer? Just my guess.

    • @peterbedford449
      @peterbedford449 4 роки тому +2

      They did not see the trees for the forest.

  • @thespinachreport7419
    @thespinachreport7419 4 роки тому +9

    Keep up the good work, shame on the CEO for trying to justify use of the machine after they were caught.

  • @Netherlands031
    @Netherlands031 4 роки тому +1

    Nice analysis, goes a lot deeper than most news on Juicero

  • @MrRaychard123
    @MrRaychard123 4 роки тому +1

    There is also a video in UA-cam , about the creator of Juicero and his plan is to sell raw water. You can see him just extracting water on the side of a road

  • @ethanforrest6439
    @ethanforrest6439 3 роки тому +3

    I love the part where he says "innovative company". He almost losses it.

  • @Ms666slayer
    @Ms666slayer 3 роки тому +7

    My manual squeezer did the same job for 20 USD.

  • @pereiramariana35
    @pereiramariana35 3 роки тому

    hope they kept one of those machines for a museum, it makes a great history piece on how design got corrupeted by greed and scamming

    • @jarkkehhh213
      @jarkkehhh213 3 роки тому

      There is a museum dedicated to this sort of thing called the Museum of Failure which pays respects to the most perfect failed products over the decades.... Some that had good intentions but poor execution, those ahead of their time and the truly awful.

  • @StevenBanks123
    @StevenBanks123 4 роки тому

    I was ready to ridicule, but was impressed by the evenhanded presentation. There was sincerity at the core of Juicero. the device and its infrastructure just cost too much, no matter how worthy the approach.
    As far as "Focus on the problem- not the solution"? Gobbledygook.

  • @PrinzEugen39
    @PrinzEugen39 3 роки тому +3

    9:23 EA: "That sign won't stop me because i can't read!"

  • @wsdadasdawf8384
    @wsdadasdawf8384 3 роки тому +7

    people:why would i buy that when i can squeeze it with my hands
    salesmen: yeah but can your hands connect to wifi?

  • @ilhamwicaksono5802
    @ilhamwicaksono5802 3 роки тому +1

    startup forensics is maybe my favorite youtube show ever

    • @slidebean
      @slidebean  3 роки тому

      Wow "ever" is big! Thank you!

  • @chqnnel2651
    @chqnnel2651 3 роки тому

    He’s a man who needs answers because of the circumstances. You can’t hate on this guy.

  • @KZ-hu9uj
    @KZ-hu9uj 4 роки тому +11

    "Can 60 seconds and a unicorn that managed to raise 120M dollars?"
    Good lord what is the grammar here lmao

    • @ZeroHBRPro
      @ZeroHBRPro 4 роки тому +3

      "Can 60 seconds END an unicorn"

  • @adidia2163
    @adidia2163 4 роки тому +25

    In my opinion it might work as vending machine,
    something like instant soda slushy or self cook ramen station
    For home appliance, hell nah

    • @latenightthinker4737
      @latenightthinker4737 3 роки тому +8

      lol, Japan's got that covered

    • @meepmoop2308
      @meepmoop2308 3 роки тому

      Yeah, like at your job's break room. Just grab your preferred juice pack from the fridge and pop it in the juicero. Less messy than a real juicer. But i cant imagine any company would want to pay for that. They dont even give us shitty instant coffee.

    • @melonieashway4189
      @melonieashway4189 3 роки тому

      Like the Freal machines at gas stations

  • @TingLei
    @TingLei 3 роки тому +2

    Interesting turn of the event - this thing had taken a new shape and respawned in the Chinese market.

  • @dickspider8393
    @dickspider8393 3 роки тому +1

    a good thing to know when designing a product is that it is meant to make your life more convenient not less so wile giving you nothing in return.
    Juicero was the equivalent of attaching a scope infrared camera and range finder to a hand grenade.

  • @OscarGeronimo
    @OscarGeronimo 4 роки тому +16

    "...who told him about the benefits fo cold pressed juice..."
    Me, as a whole-food plant-based diet practitioner: *sigh* "...REALLY? Tossing the fiber? So much good for the flora gone, so much ease in just eating the fruit sliced..."
    Also me: "...but remember most people are used to a low fiber diet, so it is actually beneficial because it would make so much people consume their veggies than would without the option"
    Me again: "but it just incentivizes the system of low fiber / (unnecessarily) highly caloric eating again"
    Me then: "Bro, why are you fighting the concept of juice 😑? Some people just don't like to have it with fibre. Wrap it, we have work due, come on son"
    Overal me: 😅🤦🏾‍♂️

  • @SeanTheOriginal
    @SeanTheOriginal 3 роки тому +4

    "Innovative", lol.
    They put processed fruit in a bag.

  • @Tanju_Ahmed
    @Tanju_Ahmed 3 роки тому +1

    It's featured in a show called "Get Shorty." Great watch

  • @romanmartinez7620
    @romanmartinez7620 3 роки тому

    8:59 After he says that in the board room, "alright Einstein! How about you give us some GOOD ideas?"

  • @christinewatson1989
    @christinewatson1989 3 роки тому +2

    TLDR of the juicero: $400 to squeeze an overpriced capri sun.

  • @syfong8135
    @syfong8135 4 роки тому +3

    this is a excellent case study

  • @IllIlllI
    @IllIlllI 3 роки тому +1

    A great vision, either we are not ready for it yet or we will never be ready for it. The problem is that the complete product he offered allowed for to much potential power on ones personal life. Which wouldn’t be a bad thing if companies didn’t exercise bad behavior...
    He basically had a valid idea for a supply chain and the juicer was the physical representation

  • @penitent2401
    @penitent2401 3 роки тому +1

    8:19 25% is one quarter, that yellow part of the circle shows about a third or 33%.

  • @william_8844
    @william_8844 4 роки тому +8

    The LIKE THEN WATCH squad, where you at

  • @carlosvega8417
    @carlosvega8417 3 роки тому +6

    Good humor with this one Slidebean. Unlike this product, I love your product.

  • @saxatleta
    @saxatleta 4 роки тому

    love the fact that you put the failures not the sucess

  • @KadvaKorp
    @KadvaKorp 4 роки тому +2

    The only channel where I keep the 'Notification' Bell ON!

  • @bintbint1316
    @bintbint1316 4 роки тому +3

    So informative and very well said!

  • @AhmedBalfaqih
    @AhmedBalfaqih 4 роки тому +8

    Great channel, great series. As addictive as Game Of Thrones. 😀😀😀

    • @slidebean
      @slidebean  4 роки тому +3

      Wow, Ahmed! That's a great compliment ^^Thank you!

  • @javiersp15
    @javiersp15 4 роки тому +1

    At 8:22 the graph looks more like 30% not 25% as stated. Loving the videos so far!

  • @Donteatacowman
    @Donteatacowman 2 роки тому

    "Theft of profits" is a hilarious way to say "competition."

  • @cesao__
    @cesao__ 3 роки тому +11

    3:04 - Dudes really throwing Tesla's name everywhere just for the hype. Danmm..

  • @mvvo7366
    @mvvo7366 3 роки тому +4

    the whole idea was dumb as rocks from the start. why would anyone want to complicate juice

  • @nishka_w
    @nishka_w 3 роки тому

    I used to work at a swanky company that liked to buy fancy stuff like $700 juicers. I used it once for shits and giggles and it tasted so horrible I could only take 2 sips. I’m not even sure if we know about the expiration dates tbh. We all cheered when they packed it up and returned it.

  • @Splain
    @Splain 3 роки тому +1

    I really feel the product would have been more viable if the juicer adopted the razor and blade model. If the squeezing machine was sold at a low cost ($25 - $30) and the juicer bags were sold as a subscription it would probably be quite viable.