Tires vs. Mattracks
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- This is a short comparison demonstrating the difference between tires and tracks. 44" tires with Dana 60's and lockers would not get you through the snow like the Mattracks. Yes, they are more expensive, and not for everyone, but if you need to get through snow, mud, sand or any other soft material they cannot be beat.
I worked seismic oil exploration on the Alaskan north slope one season using Mattrax. Our company didn't go with it again. Snowy terrain was very hard and uneven and we were always throwing tracks. Some guys can race around, no problem. Others creep around and bust 4 in a day. I'd rather work out of a Haaglund or Bombadier.
Fantastic! It looks like it floats on top of the snow!
"All 4 tyres are spinning?" Two tyres are spinning.
My UNLOCKED 83 Chevy 4x4 with 35" tires and an four inch lift NEVER got stuck in the snow... and believe me... I TRIED! I was going over 6 foot snow piles, 7 foot snow drifts, 3 feet of powder UPHILL, and even about a foot of that wonderful mud/ slush mix we love so much! Having a truck like mine was probably slightly more practical than mattracks, and cost me about what ONE track cost him! Oh yeah, and 12mpg all day, baby!
wow it got a hummer off road they do work wonders take my money
@nek0s
I've lived in Minnesota for 26 years, where the average snowfall is between 36 and 70 inches. There's 2 methods known to anyone who's spent a few seasons here. 1) Skinny, tall tires that dig through the snow into the hard pack. But that only works if you have the ground clearance. 2) Wide tires that pack the snow and allow you to "float" over it, but works only with 4 wheel drive. There was no way he had the ground clearance for that much snow, so he tried method 2 but he's too heavy.
Not comparable, If you are going off road in the snow with tires, anyone who's done it knows you need to have momentum and keep it.
With that deep snow I'd say 30 mph or more. Good enough to get you in and out, but not sustainable for long periods of time.
Very comparable. You can go 5 mph with the tracks or 30 mph. You can only go 30 with the tires and not for that long. Tracks are much more capable to adapt to all conditions.
hands down the best wheel and tire combo!!!
Why didn't you hit the brake pedal to engage the lockers... This is a fake video
I would like to try some on the wrecker for off-road recoveries in the deep snow. Maybe they will let me try a demo set on one of the winter events.
open diffs...
Hammer looks lik a beast with those Mattracks. Won't surprise me if in a few years every car uses Mattracks in winter time.
those are not 44" tires
Was just half-watching "Inception" and saw one of these in camo paint! Fun toy for the snow and mud flats.
Mattracks, because your Hummer isn't wide enough.
Mattracks, because your Hummer is automatic.
Mattracks, because you gunned it.
LOL true that & thats funny!
I'd rather have a Hummer 2 door pickup with these on it
As an EMT we went to a wreck where a H2 did a head on with a Dodge Ram. The H2 blew the cab and the bed off the Dodge, and unfortunately, two people were killed. The H2 had some front end damage and the driver had minor injuries.
Also, with the tracks on, the Hummer sits significantly higher so it rides over the snow. With the regular tires on it, it's well into the snow and trying to swim in it. Big difference.
I bet if you ran larger tires and a lifted suspension the Hummer would plow through fine.
702dirtrider's mostly right. Tall, narrow tires that contact the ground are more snow-effective than fat ones. Unless the wide tires are so big, soft, and fluffy that they "float" the vehicle on the snow, wide tires will just spin helplessly in the snow. That's why the old Model T-type wheels with chains were the next best thing to 4wd.
All Hummers have brake lockers.
You apply the brake and hit the "gas" and it will lock the differentials.
seem to remember a show where Stacey David put these on a full size pickup several years ago, if I remember right, it can be done with jack stands in the driveway and 3/4 inch drive ratchets, in a couple of hours, then back again to tires in less time, would come in handy if living someplace remote
@hartleracing he was showing how it would go through the snow instead of over it. thats often an issue with snow. It gets underneath the vehicles and the tires spit out what snow is underneath the tires so your bottomed out, I mean, if they used tires to equal the same effectivness as the tracks they would be large and it would need a lift.
With regular tyres H1 was going through deeper snow than with Mattracks. Also deep snow start with Mattracks was little bit downhill, so it's easier. And the last thing - those weren't snow/ice tyres on H1.
@appledeeap Agree - only one wheel on each axle was turning - the centre diff was locked, but not the front and rear diffs.
As those did a short comparison between mattracks and the factory wheels for a hummer when the tracks got through some deep snow when the tracks were taken off and the wheels put back on as those needed help to get out.
These look good but I think the big tires they used in Top Gear's Polar Special are better, more reliable. If you're driving to the N.Pole you need reliability and as someone said these things throw tracks, big round tires, although $4000 each are vastly more reliable. But I'm sure there is an application where this would work.
we have these at our ski area in the canadian rockies and they are in the shop broken down most of the time.
Imagine if they had that in WW2? With a tiger tank turret strapped to the top of it? Damn, I'm drooling.
not rated for high speed, youre right, but to my knowledge and experience i believe there is a hub in the top "wheel" so its geared down greatly. but these are truly amazing, its literally gliding
@aNINJApie The definition of Tank is a track powered all terrain troop carrier, a H1 hummer was used as troop carriers from desert shield and desert storm all the way up until now. THIS IS A TANK!
the snow was a alot deep when the tires were used due to the pile up from snow plows. if you look closely the tracks went out further in the snow where it wasn't as deep.
@fitchhollister I believe he is correct. If the wheel spins free, it is effectively "off the ground". Applying the break will still deliver torque to the slipping tire and then more torque to the other tire. And the guy is wrong when he says all four tires are spinning. The driver side rear and passenger side front are spinning, the others are not. The differentials are not locked, and the breaks are not applied. This truck still had more to give.
I think in this case it's not so much the ground clearence, but the floatation. The mattracks offer much greater floatation since they have more "track" for the vehicle to lay on. This offers more flat surface area to help prevent sinking than any tire at a mere 10psi.
@Blatta77 ofc its gonna be a lot lower than the tires. but mattracks are supposed to be used on heavy snow conditions. tires vs mattracks are not compared in speed but utility in certain conditions.
@kohahh Salutes from northern norway. With that much snow which appears to be wet and heavy, more speed will not help for more than a few meters. It is far more likely you will just fill up the engine compartment with snow and break something, if you have no plate under the engine or the grill and fan is pushed in. The problem is that when you go into that much snow, the car hangs on the bottom of the car, the wheels have no weight on them to push them against the ground and create traction.
guys this is a hummerH1 military spec! it has lockers, on board air, it has power (diesel), it is known very well for it capabilities.... you put those same mattracks on a blazer and you will go further than the hummer with tires. that is a bigger statement in my mind. you could spent all the money and get an artic truck built but I believe the artic trucks may go to this design as it looks to be much better... only time will tell. I have seen artic trucks get stuck.
@bradenn that makes more sense...but im pretty sure you don't mean it exerts less pressure, but you actually mean there's less weight per inch... since the wheel is smaller, that means theres more weight on that area of snow
great innovation! simple, no nonsense installation.
@timerunnerproduction less weight per inch = exerts less pressure. If by pressure, we are assuming lbs./inch^2. Given that lbs. per square inch exerts pressure on the area of contact, pressure is still a correct assessment, albeit it wasn't precisely the most astutely described.
Psi should be written as Ps/i. It's a rate. Pounds per inch^2.
Long story short; Two trucks with the same weight. One has mattracks and one has flattened out 44's. The mattracks equipped truck transfers it's weight to the ground through a larger surface area.
@FlyingSnake110 that could work in theory, however it would be very impractical, as the suspension of the donor vehicle would have to be raised to where the body of the car would not interfere with the track. a set of 4 mattracks adds ~1400lbs to a vehicle. with the weight of the tracks, the vehicle would be destroyed by wear, unless the vehicle was specifically engineered to take that kind of abuse.
weight distribution, the tracks distribute weight much better. very simple. nice demonstration.
If I EVER see this comming down my neighborhood.........Im headding for the hills
humvee+snow treads= OMFG THATS SOOO BEAST
Nifty. Once I get my Jeep running again I might get a set
Impressive video!!!! My bicycle is about to get tracks
Your rite but it also depends on what your running threw. Floatation is good when your going threw serious mud or snow while narrow tires do get good bit but do not have the traction of the wider tires to.
@mulletstang That only works when one wheel is off of the ground: The HMMWV, or Hummer, uses Torsen® differentials on the front and rear axles. The owner's manual for the Hummer proposes a novel solution to the problem of one wheel coming off the ground: Apply the brakes. By applying the brakes, torque is applied to the wheel that is in the air, and then five times that torque can go to the wheel with good traction.
@mountianbikeer that was the point the tracks give a stock truck the ability to procede without all those mods and parts
@NewECus
I know that modification for using tracks on regular car are impractical, that's why no one done that...
Weight issue is smaller with rubber bandtracks, but still one would need clearance for it. And extra wheels would be advised, and locked original steer mechanism...
But in some old trucks (I heard about inter-war one) with 3 axles there was option for putting tracks on 4 rear wheels (1 track for 2 wheels) to increase traction. Halftracks were "popular" at the time...
those mattracks are the sexyest things ive ever seen... o_o lol the tires were like "and here we..... never mind."
also if you have tracks on your vehicle it increases the displacement of weight over a greater area due to the amount of track touching the surface instead of a small amount of tire, its like a set of snow shoes for you vehicle!
looks like a badass tank
@richpeck2007 a low tire will have a larger contact patch and a better chance at going over the snow and a thinner tire will cut through the snow getting you stuck on the vehicles frame so a thinner tire is not better in deep snow
Obviously more useful than tires, but a hell of a lot more complex. A part of one of those tracks breaks and you could be spending a lot of time trying to fix it.
@BlackToyotaTacoma yeah dude :) He was in four wheel drive though, making only one in the rear and one in the front spin :) hence the "damn open diffs"
And the hummer is humming biodiesel, nice!
Wait a minute! I read a brochure for the H1 nearing its final years of production. The H1 is suppose to surmount 3ft. of snow drift and tread 2ft. of water.
@Nicmadis
Absolutely true. I saw that it was wet snow too, with the sun shining brightly that was very clear. What i was trying to say was, that if i was about to drive into such deep snow, knowing that i would get stuck, i'd charge in with as much force as the vehicle provides. I just thought he drove in a bit too slow, for how heavy and robust the Hummer is.
And to be honest, you don't drive into heavy snow without having tyre-chains or however it's called in english, or mattracks i guess.
Very nice demo that almost makes living in snowy country seem like fun.
Curious about cost of worn out tracks. Expensive I'd imagine?
Obviously not practical for most people, but they would fit in for a snow tour business and maybe even for winter rescue (on drifted roads, not deep back-country). I could see the residents of Aspen or Vail lining up with cash in hand for a ride in one of these.
that hummer with mattracks has to be the most baller shit in the snow...
i like how when they show the hummer with the tires on it that the snow is over the bumper and then with the tracks the snow is no where near the bumper.
@METZOMB09 you can put them on anything as long as you have enough clearance
Nice set up
H1's do not need lockers. They are designed with the brakes to act like lockers. If you get stuck in low/lock, simply start applying the brakes until all for wheels start pulling. This will not work with the av truck. H1's have geared hubs that raise the diffs and axles for ab 4" more clearance at the A arms and lots of clearance under the diffs. I have had them in many situations and the only place i have gotten them stuck is on the tank trails in the swamps of camp Lejune.
I think it is because the weight of the H1 is more evenly distributed amongst the 4 tracks better so he don't sink,
That being said the tires are not wide enough to hold the weight with out sinking...
Nice combination brathar
@timerunnerproduction In simplest terms: Less pounds per squared inch is the same thing as 'exerts less pressure'. It is lbs per squared inch which gives us how much pressure is exerted. If less of one, it must be true that there is less of the other. Simple maths. Sorry about double posting. But responded to myself, not you, lol.
thats awesome dude especially on a h1 that thing is beautiful
Mud tires don't have siping. They are designed to throw mud out of the tire. This is why they suck in snow. If you put actual snow tires on that hummer, it would walk threw the snow with ease. Think of it like when you make a snow ball. When you pack the snow together it sticks together. Snow tires and tires with siping use that same concept. The snow gets stuck in the siping and compacts with the snow below and gives traction.
thanks for lettin me see the license plate on that thing its so mine now
Guess that didn't work out as you figured eh seeing as how they still have it and are still running it
@cddude11 because those masher 30" tires are ultra light-weight.
@maintguy69 Aah yes. You are right, should not underestimate the conditions where one is driving. Snow can be very challenging, and quite few vehicles are truly capable in it
@c0ffegirl ya i seen that episode, they drove hundres of miles though snow like this. I mean i understand if the snow is 6 feet deep, but in this videoits less than 3
@possiblymeish they are 37.50's they just don't look very big bc of the way the trucks are made
@elementalwiz tanks run on multiple motors, allowing each of the two tracks to move independently of each other. a regular vehicle works with differentials. tank tracks would not work on a regular 4wheel vehicle.
ive only driven a rhino and a ranger with tracks but they are only good in very deep snow. even then you can still get stuck. the tracks cut the top speed in half. they're fun though. but harder to turn with.
@NewECus
Most tanks, and as far as I know all modern ones, have one engine, there were some designs with two engines coupled together in WW2, but they acted as one engine.
Tanks just have special power trains, that allow to differ speed of tracks.
To use regular tracks with a car you would just need to alter brakes, to allow braking both sides independently (it's simples way, used in some inter-war small tanks)
No you don't. The reason for differential braking on tanks is because they don't have direction steering on the front and independent sections of track for steering. Tanks need differential braking for steering. This system doesn't as the video shows.
@rendicott350 It doesn't say the H1 has lockers, it says he wouldn't neet the trax IF it had lockers and a bunch of other stuff
The reason the tracks works so well is the almost non existent ground pressure and dont sink. The foot print is also very large. My 42's at 1 psi would probably do just as good though...
The Mattracks are more towards $5K. The $15-20K models are for farm equipment.
funny that without the mattracks the clearance drops significantly haha, no wonder he didn't go anywhere but with mattracks you get mad traction and a nice lift :D
Depends on what model and the temperature. 40 miles under 80F, but the heavy duty models are rated at unlimited when the temperature is under 80F. I wonder if they are the only ones who make tracks?
No sir, Mattracks for a standard light truck (ford f150 or chevy 1500) ARE $15-20k depending on which suspension system you choose. The set of tracks on my brother in law's yahama rhino were 4k!!!
Although I have no doubt Tracks are superior in snow to tires, I have personally run my suburban through deeper show that that with no effort. I think the Hummer got stuck because the tires were too small, and or something was done to make them slippery for the promo.
My Suburban is a stock 1999 except for 33" mud Kings on it.
i'm not denying that this hummer is as badass as they come, but whether it has lockers or not, when the tires are spinning in the snow the diffs are most definitely not locked
@nek0s not only that but notice that the tracks lifted the whole rig? That had to help as well. There is no doubt though that tracks are much better in those conditions then tires.
Impressive capability!
Also we went to the top of a mountain in 6' of snow with 13'' of fresh with toyotas on 35'' tire being smallest to 38'' tires.
@Triple88a thats why he said 3 psi on the tires
i like the ridiculous roll cage in hte back.
@rendicott350 True. The only Locker would be the center diff.
@timelaps4u Not exactly. Then you'd be limited by the depth of whatever you're going through. Mattracks, on the other hand, reduce the PSI that the vehicle is putting on the ground by spreading out it's weight. Therefore, they ride on top instead of going through. Tires, no matter how high the truck sits, put more PSI on the ground because they don't cover as much ground as the tracks. So, tires go through stuff, Mattracks go over stuff.
@maintguy69 Actually you are wrong. You need huge tires, to compensate and get the pressure as low as tracks do for the ground. And also, remember that there are many different kinds of snow mobiles. Short one, with narrow tracks, is fast, but get's stuck everywhere. Long snowmobile, with a wide track, goes much further than any wheeled vehicle ever, being extremely light. Wheeled vehicles are quite bad in snow, but at some cases they do fine. Although you often need a lot of modifications.
i saw a show where they raced two pick ups, one with tires and one with tracks in the desert on sand dunes, the one with the tracks did a lot better
Awesome! Bet they are expensive as hell.
yeah but the description is misleading cause it says that a truck with 44's couldn't do better so i though it would show one
@realweezl Sorry about my bad english
I think the reason that mattracks not stuck is because the whole body is raised
The tires on the Hummer in this video are GOODYEAR WRANGLER MT OZ 37X12.5X16.5
that's MT as is mudd terrian. not good for snow
@bloodsugar55 nope- snow you air UP & get skinny tires so you can dig thru it, not waller on top. Wet snow like this is hard to conquer regardless; I've never seen any vehicle make it thru wet snow, & as heavy as they are, never be able to stay on top of the snow