I want to clarify. My main pressure isn’t with my back fingers. I’m just trying to reenforce that we need to squeeze with the back as well as the front.
I think the importance of keeping tension in the back of the grip is to prevent the disc from whipping around your hand prematurely, costing you spin. As the arm begins to uncurl the side of disc opposing your hand will experience an exponential increase in g force, and the longer you can prevent it from whiping around, the higher you can get total kinetic energy in the disc at the point of release. As far as wrist bend goes, when you pull the disc, you aren't pulling it from the center of the flight plate. You pull from the edge of the disc. That means the mass of the opposing side of the disc will want to remain at rest. This will make the disc want to begin rotating as you pull, and can actually make your wrist bend backward if you have a limp wrist. So it is important to keep some tension in your wrist, or better yet curl it in slightly as you pull through. Watch vids of how much some of the big arms curl the wrist. I play with a guy that can crush 500+ that actively bends his wrist out at the peak of the reach back, then he curls it in as he pulls through. By the time the elbow begins to unhinge, the disc is rotating counter clockwise (RHBH) and then it has to instantaneously change direction at the hit. It gives some unreal whippy spin. I personally couldn't get accuracy with it, but try it out. Your discs will fly noticebly different/ straighter. Long story short, if you want more spin, do not think about actively spinning the disc. Instead think about preventing the disc from spinning. The spin will occur as a consequence.
Your ring and pinkie finger are for Strength and the index and middle finger are for dexterity. This is from my wife who works in occupational therapy and deals with hand strength and usage on a regular basis. So what you’re saying makes sense from a medical perspective, I think.
Wow, that’s some pretty cool insight. Thanks for sharing that. I might do some more digging on that. Seems like something that would be worth investigating some more!
Pinky is the slowest finger, so when doing fast twitch movements the pinky does more harm than good, but I'm glad you're therapist wife knows the difference between strength and dexterity since that helps with traditional golf where the club never leaves your hand, and rock climbing where you need strength and dexterity, but there are a few pros that throw with 1 or 2 finger for backhand and they still throw 500
How much strength do you need to hold on to a 175g disc? This isn’t a deadlift guys, it’s a throw. How does a baseball pitcher throw a fastball, which fingers? And which fingers does he use to throw a changeup? Funny that a pitcher uses his “strength” fingers to throw a slower pitch
Also, I hope to have the audio issue fixed on the next video. I think now, if you are wearing headphones you’ll only hear it out of one ear. Hopefully will be fixed by the next video. Hope the audio is better regardless!
If you have Premiere Pro you can go to Effects > Audio Effects > Special > Fill Left with Right (or Fill Right with Left) if you just have 1 channel in the existing audio track. Eliminates the extra step of copy/pasting that track into a second track, then treating the second track. I'm sure other video editing programs have a similar feature. IMO the only time you want to copy/paste the existing audio track is if you have 2 sound sources, one left and one right channel, and you want person A to not just be the left channel, and person B be the right channel. 🙂
@@NickCarroll I don’t have premiere pro unfortunately. Hoping to upgrade to a MacBook in the next couple of months and will be getting premiere pro for sure
I started doing something similar to this where I use my back fingers to apply upward pressure into my hand while my thumb applies more down pressure. Seemed to immediately add more spin and keep the nose down for a nice straighter long shot.
I don’t think one should use the wrist at release. I find if I aim the back to my hand at 10 o’clock and try to keep my wrist from moving I get the best throws with plenty of spin. I think this makes the disc function like the end of a whip where more of that angle momentum for your body is transferred into the disc and plenty of that angular momentum is changed to rotational momentum as it rips out of your grip. (That was probably the king of run on sentences) I also flex my wrist more then you at reach back. I find I struggle to get a good power pocket if I don’t. I think this is a personal preference though.
Would appreciate you adding chapters to your videos. You just add timestamps and chapter titles in your description. So start with 0:00 and then add the others. Appreciate you sharing stuff with us!
So, being totally honest, I've tried this last month or so trying to figure out how to get better releases on my putters on throws. Doing what some call a "back loaded" grip. About 1 in every dozen or so shots the putter wouldn't release from my pinky and go flying 250 ft 90 degrees to the right of me lol I do think you can gain spin by letting the wrist open and keeping it loose on the reach back, when you initiate the pull, it'll reflexively close and stay coiled till the hit where it'll snap like a whip. I don't think it's easy, but it's interesting.
Definitely. I just think having it slightly coiled from the beginning just helps with a bit more consistency. Both MUST be practiced for sure. Adding that extra lever makes things a little touchier. Good insights!
Good lord. Is that why a Pitcher puts more contact on a change up? As opposed to two fingers on a fastball? And this is literally why I now exclusively throw drives with 2 fingers (pointer and middle). It naturally lowers the nose and instantly adds distance to drives.
Based on the tech disc simulations alone, which I can’t attest to the accuracy of it, more spin is not always optimal. From the simulations I’ve played around with, it appears to me that there is a specific range of spin that is optimal for particular disc speed. Too much or too little spin could result in less distance.
I think one of the big mistakes a lot of disc golfers make is thinking that you get power only from your arm. The best throwers in the world are putting every bit of their body into the throw. Think of the disc as the end of the whip and your feet as the handle. From your foot all the way up to your hand, you should be moving that momentum into the disc. I’ve always done a spin forward off the tea pad. My dad always thought that I did this for fun or to show off, but when I told him it was actually just the follow through of using my entire body to throw he tried it. Now he can throw the distance that he used to and he’s had more success with flipping discs up. Before that he was trying to use only his arm and forward momentum to muscle the disc as far as he could get it. Every disc he threw was overstable for him because he wasn’t utilizing the power that his body had. Now that he is utilizing all of his body to throw. He can actually turn an over. Before that he ever faded really hard.
So you are using more of a backloaded grip? I have always tried the pinch style where the hardest contact point is between my pointer and thumb but it has never felt comfortable, it looks as though your pointer isnt even really touching the flightplate or anywhere near the thumb, ill have to try this
My pointer finger does tuck under the rim. I just had it relaxed as I was showing you guys in the video. I’m not necessarily back loaded, but I’m definitely applying some pressure on the back end.
Definitely not letting the back be the main focus. But I think often times we aren’t putting ENOUGH pressure on the rear end and too much on the front of the disc.
The deep power pocket is an optical illusion. As your torso rotates it shifts your power pocket in relation to the camera giving the appearance of a deep power pocket. It isn’t something anyone should actively try to do. That’s bad for your shoulder.
Mmm I don’t think it’s an optical illusion. If you watch some of the bigger throwers in slow motion from a side view they definitely get to that deep power pocket position.
@@TannerMcCartney I am one of the bigger throwers and I have a “deep power pocket” on camera but not in relation to my body. I’ve never thought about it or worked on it. It’s just a product of rotation and the camera being in a fixed position. If that is a cue for somebody that’s fine but it really really is not safe to try to actively try to do that. You want to scapulate at reach back and hold your shoulder in place.
Yo!?!? The people in the back ground WTH. They saw you throwing walk up to the field anyway then proceed to pick your discs up and throw them. What a bunch of jerks. If they have the field for something they could have picked them up and set them down on the side not just launched your stuff back where you have no idea where they went. Cool video though. Def gonna try this out.
I want to clarify. My main pressure isn’t with my back fingers. I’m just trying to reenforce that we need to squeeze with the back as well as the front.
I just naturally learned to grip the disc like this. I thought I was doing it wrong until I learned that it works fine.
I think the importance of keeping tension in the back of the grip is to prevent the disc from whipping around your hand prematurely, costing you spin. As the arm begins to uncurl the side of disc opposing your hand will experience an exponential increase in g force, and the longer you can prevent it from whiping around, the higher you can get total kinetic energy in the disc at the point of release.
As far as wrist bend goes, when you pull the disc, you aren't pulling it from the center of the flight plate. You pull from the edge of the disc. That means the mass of the opposing side of the disc will want to remain at rest. This will make the disc want to begin rotating as you pull, and can actually make your wrist bend backward if you have a limp wrist. So it is important to keep some tension in your wrist, or better yet curl it in slightly as you pull through. Watch vids of how much some of the big arms curl the wrist.
I play with a guy that can crush 500+ that actively bends his wrist out at the peak of the reach back, then he curls it in as he pulls through. By the time the elbow begins to unhinge, the disc is rotating counter clockwise (RHBH) and then it has to instantaneously change direction at the hit. It gives some unreal whippy spin. I personally couldn't get accuracy with it, but try it out. Your discs will fly noticebly different/ straighter.
Long story short, if you want more spin, do not think about actively spinning the disc. Instead think about preventing the disc from spinning. The spin will occur as a consequence.
Wow, great insights. Thanks for your time!
All this makes a ton of sense. Thanks for sharing!
Beto Drill helps with the deeper pocket. I start with that every time I get out to a field. It's a good warm-up too.
Hmm not sure if I’ve seen it before. I’ll check it out!
@@TannerMcCartney Eagle mentioned the drill in a video with Bodanza. He used it to help throw with his left hand.
Your ring and pinkie finger are for Strength and the index and middle finger are for dexterity. This is from my wife who works in occupational therapy and deals with hand strength and usage on a regular basis. So what you’re saying makes sense from a medical perspective, I think.
Is no one gonna make the obvious joke here?!
Wow, that’s some pretty cool insight. Thanks for sharing that. I might do some more digging on that. Seems like something that would be worth investigating some more!
@@zachgilchrist669well, I wasn't in guttermind mode til I saw your reply. 😅
Pinky is the slowest finger, so when doing fast twitch movements the pinky does more harm than good, but I'm glad you're therapist wife knows the difference between strength and dexterity since that helps with traditional golf where the club never leaves your hand, and rock climbing where you need strength and dexterity, but there are a few pros that throw with 1 or 2 finger for backhand and they still throw 500
How much strength do you need to hold on to a 175g disc? This isn’t a deadlift guys, it’s a throw. How does a baseball pitcher throw a fastball, which fingers? And which fingers does he use to throw a changeup? Funny that a pitcher uses his “strength” fingers to throw a slower pitch
Excellent tips!
Thank you!
Great tips Tanner. Thanks
Thank YOU!
Also, I hope to have the audio issue fixed on the next video. I think now, if you are wearing headphones you’ll only hear it out of one ear. Hopefully will be fixed by the next video. Hope the audio is better regardless!
Yeah just double your audio track and switch the L and R on the 2nd one if you have this issue again. Super easy fix in editing.
@@tdkempton awesome. Thanks a lot! Hopefully next time it’ll be all worked out!
If you have Premiere Pro you can go to Effects > Audio Effects > Special > Fill Left with Right (or Fill Right with Left) if you just have 1 channel in the existing audio track. Eliminates the extra step of copy/pasting that track into a second track, then treating the second track. I'm sure other video editing programs have a similar feature.
IMO the only time you want to copy/paste the existing audio track is if you have 2 sound sources, one left and one right channel, and you want person A to not just be the left channel, and person B be the right channel. 🙂
@@NickCarroll I don’t have premiere pro unfortunately. Hoping to upgrade to a MacBook in the next couple of months and will be getting premiere pro for sure
@@tdkempton that’s just going to cancel everything out lol
I started doing something similar to this where I use my back fingers to apply upward pressure into my hand while my thumb applies more down pressure. Seemed to immediately add more spin and keep the nose down for a nice straighter long shot.
Yes! Glad it was helpful for you!
Awesome, thanks so much!
I don’t think one should use the wrist at release. I find if I aim the back to my hand at 10 o’clock and try to keep my wrist from moving I get the best throws with plenty of spin. I think this makes the disc function like the end of a whip where more of that angle momentum for your body is transferred into the disc and plenty of that angular momentum is changed to rotational momentum as it rips out of your grip. (That was probably the king of run on sentences)
I also flex my wrist more then you at reach back. I find I struggle to get a good power pocket if I don’t. I think this is a personal preference though.
Would appreciate you adding chapters to your videos. You just add timestamps and chapter titles in your description. So start with 0:00 and then add the others. Appreciate you sharing stuff with us!
So, being totally honest, I've tried this last month or so trying to figure out how to get better releases on my putters on throws. Doing what some call a "back loaded" grip.
About 1 in every dozen or so shots the putter wouldn't release from my pinky and go flying 250 ft 90 degrees to the right of me lol
I do think you can gain spin by letting the wrist open and keeping it loose on the reach back, when you initiate the pull, it'll reflexively close and stay coiled till the hit where it'll snap like a whip. I don't think it's easy, but it's interesting.
Definitely. I just think having it slightly coiled from the beginning just helps with a bit more consistency. Both MUST be practiced for sure. Adding that extra lever makes things a little touchier.
Good insights!
Contact equals Spin and less contact equal power. Super effective fan modified type spin.
Definitely! Thanks for watching!
thankyou so much that is really helpfull
You are very welcome!
Good lord. Is that why a Pitcher puts more contact on a change up? As opposed to two fingers on a fastball?
And this is literally why I now exclusively throw drives with 2 fingers (pointer and middle). It naturally lowers the nose and instantly adds distance to drives.
Based on the tech disc simulations alone, which I can’t attest to the accuracy of it, more spin is not always optimal. From the simulations I’ve played around with, it appears to me that there is a specific range of spin that is optimal for particular disc speed. Too much or too little spin could result in less distance.
Most definitely. I think it’s comes down to spin to speed/power ratio. Too much or too little can definitely not always be beneficial.
I think one of the big mistakes a lot of disc golfers make is thinking that you get power only from your arm. The best throwers in the world are putting every bit of their body into the throw. Think of the disc as the end of the whip and your feet as the handle. From your foot all the way up to your hand, you should be moving that momentum into the disc.
I’ve always done a spin forward off the tea pad. My dad always thought that I did this for fun or to show off, but when I told him it was actually just the follow through of using my entire body to throw he tried it. Now he can throw the distance that he used to and he’s had more success with flipping discs up. Before that he was trying to use only his arm and forward momentum to muscle the disc as far as he could get it. Every disc he threw was overstable for him because he wasn’t utilizing the power that his body had. Now that he is utilizing all of his body to throw. He can actually turn an over. Before that he ever faded really hard.
100%. I think it’s an easy thing to look over when you don’t know what you are looking for.
Do you still bend/curl your index finger at the last joint into the rim? Looks like your tape prevents it from bending.
I tuck it under for most of my shots. For some shots I keep it just under the rim.
So you are using more of a backloaded grip? I have always tried the pinch style where the hardest contact point is between my pointer and thumb but it has never felt comfortable, it looks as though your pointer isnt even really touching the flightplate or anywhere near the thumb, ill have to try this
My pointer finger does tuck under the rim. I just had it relaxed as I was showing you guys in the video. I’m not necessarily back loaded, but I’m definitely applying some pressure on the back end.
Well thanks alot... I tried your grip and I got my first ace today! (Unfortunately it was a black ace but I'll take it)
@@timeandspacevintage3380 haha that’s awesome!
What net are you using? the link in the description goes to another net :)
I must have uploaded the wrong link on accident. Link has been corrected and now matches the exact one I use in my videos. Cheers!
Rear loaded power grip cost you distance period!
Definitely not letting the back be the main focus. But I think often times we aren’t putting ENOUGH pressure on the rear end and too much on the front of the disc.
Modified power fan!
The only way!
@@TannerMcCartney For me it feels like I can stabilize my disc better...less floppy. If that makes sense. You in the Music City Open?
@jerdonclar8655 definitely makes sense. No sir not this year!
@jerdonclar8655 playing an A tier this weekend MDO!
The deep power pocket is an optical illusion. As your torso rotates it shifts your power pocket in relation to the camera giving the appearance of a deep power pocket. It isn’t something anyone should actively try to do. That’s bad for your shoulder.
Mmm I don’t think it’s an optical illusion. If you watch some of the bigger throwers in slow motion from a side view they definitely get to that deep power pocket position.
@@TannerMcCartney I am one of the bigger throwers and I have a “deep power pocket” on camera but not in relation to my body. I’ve never thought about it or worked on it. It’s just a product of rotation and the camera being in a fixed position.
If that is a cue for somebody that’s fine but it really really is not safe to try to actively try to do that. You want to scapulate at reach back and hold your shoulder in place.
Yo!?!? The people in the back ground WTH. They saw you throwing walk up to the field anyway then proceed to pick your discs up and throw them. What a bunch of jerks. If they have the field for something they could have picked them up and set them down on the side not just launched your stuff back where you have no idea where they went. Cool video though. Def gonna try this out.
Enjoyed the tips! Gonna focus and see if im gripping with the back of my hand this week
I pinch my index finger and thumb together to a fault... I'm going to try to get a more full grip- +50 ft, easy 😎
+55ft😤
I gained 50” right away. Thanks guys😂
🙏🏼🤣
I’m enjoying your videos but you really gotta fix your audio buddy. Only comes out one side.
Yup. Issue has already been addressed and working on a fix. Next video should be extra crispy
@@TannerMcCartney very nice. Looking forward to watching your channel grow.
Thank you much! I appreciate you!
Ehhhh. Front loading and back loading. Front is for speed and spin, back is for control.
So a power grip lol ... that already has 100 videos
Not necessarily. I wasn’t talking about tucking all of your fingers underneath. Just reminding people to apply pressure on the back.