GPS Bike Computer Hammerhead Karoo 2 Vs Map & Compass
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Hammerhead asked us to set us a cycling challenge to show off their new Karoo 2 GPS bike computer, so we made Alex race against Ollie, but in order to make it fair we gave Alex a map, and Ollie the Hammerhead Karoo 2 bicycle computer. Now we're pretty sure which is the best way to navigate on a bike ride, but are our presenters up to the challenge?
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If your ride isn't online, did it really happen?
Hahahahahaha! Savage ending! I love it!
And No it doesn’t count if it’s not online. Hehehe!
Yes It did. It is all about the impression and not about what other people think of your ride🤔
Why would i spend money on technology from the 1960s? If you want to market that hammerhead shark thing or whatever it s called make a comparison between a cyclist without a phone with the shark gps and another cyclist using a phone with google maps. Make it a 10 h race. Both must take lots of photos (the gps individual will use a traditional camera) and no powerbanks. Give the phone evry chance to run out of battery. MAYBE then you will have actually proven a point regarding gps devices. As it stand though... I simply dont need gps devices. I have a phone and a powerbank and cell data. With all those i am INVINCIBLE.
Didn't Alex know thst you can just ask someone the way to Bath from Cheddar?
There was no such thing as online during the 1980’s and the TDF’s of ‘85-‘90 not only happened, but were the most memorable of all time!
10/10 for Alex’s compass mounting abilities.
It's a hack!
Definitely hack!
Alex flying by screaming “dropped again” ... Ollie is never gona escape this 😂
Well at least he's not being dropped from something, the joke will stay with him for ever more.
Ollie didn't bring his aero bike again
Ollie: all the kit, still ****! 🤔🐢🤣
@@monkeybizniz2095 I'm going with unfit. 🤔😉🐢💨💨💨
@@itarry4 🤔🤣
I would find it more interesting to see how the Hammerhead Karoo 2 fares against the Wahoo Elemnt Roam..
hammerhead paper specs wins hands down, in practice, the roam wins on battery life but you're looking at an ugly screen that doesn't re-route as quickly. The roam isn't anything special or innovative. The Karoo 2 has a sim slot, the ability to sideload apps like Spotify ect. Either way I run a Wahoo right now and should be getting my Karoo 2 in the next day or two. Hope it works out because the roam is a plastic toy in comparison.
Let us know how you find it after using it for a while! I don't need Spotify or WhatsApp on the head unit and the Roam is doing a fantastic job routing me around with routes planned on Strava or Komoot. Battery life of the Hammerhead is important too and what it is in real life. Also if it forgets what's been recorded so far if it does run out of battery. Wouldn't want to be carrying a charged powerbank on longer rides. Easy connection to HRM and other sensors needed too. And a smooth upload to Strava is a must obviously.
@@mrbuddha5263 So had a chance to compare the two? Which one do you prefer?
@@Samisipi I've been riding with the Hammerhead for about a 9 days and its stunning, the screen the navigation, sexy voiced audio ques screaming your turn by turn. Battery life so far has been about 12 hrs with stock settings apart from screen brightness is set to %20 which is plenty even on the sunniest days. I haven't had any of the bugs or glitches some have mentioned but needless to say the roam will be sold in the coming weeks. Worst case they have a trial free window and their customer support is lightning fast at replying to users.
Just get lost! Thats why cycling is so funny ☺️ you'll see the route with much more attention than looking to a gps.
Hack/bodge Alex's compass mount?
Just make sure your mount doesn't have a magnet in it.
i'll start this .. hack
Bodge
Hack!
Definitely a hack from me, probably a bodge from Si;)
Alex's compass mount has got to be hack of the week... Get that guy a GCN Elite Water bottle at the very least!
The moment when the Brexit deletes the Map in the headunit
I live in Florida, Bath is mythical place where everybody is fit, ride their bikes to work, and finish the day in a pub with the best ales of the world. Lord of the rings material.
Me too, but all that mud is not as much fun as Florida sun.
11:01 That's your own fault for unfolding it. You never really need to completely unfold an OS map, and especially not outdoors.
I enjoy memorizing my routes by studying a map. It exercises my spatial awareness. Doesn't hurt to have a back up plan though, paper or digital.
Well, we all know Si would've beat both of them. Even if he was blindfolded.
If Alex wasn’t using a head unit or phone to track his ride and, therefore, couldn’t upload it to strava, did his ride count?
Yes it did. There is even video evidence. 😄
Ollie thought that he was Gilbert at Flanders, but he was really more like Alaphilippe at Liege! 😁
If Ollie ever comes to our side of the pond there is a perfect political party waiting for him. If you don't like the facts, just ignore them and declare victory.
after watching videos with olli, I automaticaly looking through comments for Boliver Fridgewater:D
i know it a 17 minute ad for the karoo (and i really appreciate it as a device, hope it will have success) but they were able to make it interesting
Yup. I was glad to hear it's a bit less buggy now, and now can give beeps to warn you. Main two things which turned me off it when the first one came out and I was looking for my first GPS computer.
Alex is becoming serious competition for Hank when it comes to challenges that cause suffering.
More scripted than Top Gear...
Lol Alex saying "you've got all the kit and I still beat you" the PC way of saying you've got all the kit and you're still shit
I did go to say that but figured we should film a polite version which was used in the vid😂😂😂
GPS batteries run out, magnetism will run till the sun consumes the planet. Or the magnetic field collapses, in which case we are all bugged any way.
I've had mine for a few days now and I love it. It's my first bike computer and honestly it's a great addition, especially considering it's sooo much cheaper than a Garmin and the USB-C charging was what really sealed the deal. I used it to plan a route through a some pretty rural wetlands and back roads and it handled it flawlessly.
It has one very specific downside though that it doesn't support ANT+LEV (e-bikes). I have a 2020 Orbea Gain, which came with a dinky little computer. I bought this after I tested a Garmin and a Wahoo unit thinking that if those could connect surely this would too. That was a mistake to assume.
I've only used it for two trips but honestly I love it. Outside of my one use case I don't have any complaints. It's easy to use, looks great, and offers great on the fly navigation. Hopefully they add support for e-bikes and once they do it'll be the perfect head unit for me.
It should be possible with just a firmware update from what I know about ANT+LEV. All Ebikes and computers should have all the hardware they need with just a new firmware update to make the devices work together. I'm fairly certain that it doesn't use anything different from what is already either on the bike or in the computer. The Element Bolt first came without it and was only added later with a firmware update so I don't see why that wouldn't be possible with yours.
Maybe send an email to the company to ask if they have any plans to implement it or if its possible as if people show an interest they are more likely to make it an option especially if its fairly easy to do.
Oh Orbea make a substitute control computer for their Ebikes that shows the data of ANT+LEV. It gives all the speed, distance, etc, etc and it replaces the one that comes on the bike now so no extra screens. It can change the settings, power, battery use etc, shows any issues etc all the stuff the original did but also the ANT+LEV data. So maybe if HAMMERHEAD don't plan to implement it you could swap your Ebike controller for one of those, yes it's €100 if directly compatible or €160 with a dongle, if one of the bikes it's not directly compatible with but at least you'll have the data for no extra weight or screens and it's still far cheaper and more efficient than a power meter.
I like the presenters but the challenges are always so goofy. “Buy this head unit bc we proved it’s better than a paper map” as if any cyclist is using one of those. Is it better than a garmin, a wahoo or for the budget conscious, a phone?
Also funny that a few days ago they ask us to quit mocking their average speeds bc speed only matters in races. Today Ollie does a race and averages 8mph.
Would have been impressive 10 years ago. But 15hrs battery life and “fast charge” 30% in 30 mins is laughable compared to a garmin. And who leaves for a ride without their phone these days. A solution to a problem that stopped being a problem a long time ago. It found a sweet spot of being less reliable than a garmin and less functional than a cellphone. Nice work.
Never have I so willingly watched a commercial
I don't mind the infomercial nature of this video...I mean we all understand what's going on and why it's necessary, so why not fully embrace it: The bits with Alex struggling with the map should've been in black and white! :D Pitting a GPS bike computer against a map & compass (instead of a smartphone app, which everyone already has) is like asking if a Commodore 64 can get the job done faster than a top-shelf modern gaming PC, so no suspense there.
Ollie lost due to the bike. When will he get it.
Screw technology. If you actually use maps, you plan ahead of time and tape the directions to your top tube with coffee stops, landmarks, etc. No one takes a map with them to figure it out along the way. I call BS on this video. Long live analog!
I actually prefer paper maps. If you're going to use early 20th century transportation technology, it only seems appropriate to use early 20th century navigation tech as well.
I have received my HAMMERHEAD recently. Is absolutely awesome.
That mount for compass - hack or bodge, hack 100% unless he got a mate who is a cub leader to make it
I see Dan is gcn's Mr Wilman
I know this is a joke, but at least show people how to really navigate without a gps. There is absolutely no need for a compass on the road. You have roadsigns and often no known landmarks to determine your position like you would in the wild. You don't even need the north indication. Use the map to plan which roads you are going to take, then follow roadsigns accordingly.
I might be old but for me, it's any kind of GPS device every day of the week. I recently subscribed to Komoot and it changed my riding experience in ways I could never have imagined. I'll never go back to paper maps.
Errrr...did your sponsors Wahoo approve this?
Seldom do riders get dropped off in the middle of nowhere with inadequate maps! Most have at least a phone with some navigation app. The sun, weather report, and wind direction can be useful if all else has failed. Use the Karoo but practice other methods for unforeseen circumstances!
The moral of the story? The Hammerhead Karoo is better than a map. Hardly a great selling point, is it? Should we conclude you chose this comparison because the Hammerhead doesn't hold up against other competitors such as Wahoo or Garmin?
On another note, is this the sort of content you're asking us to pay actual money for?
Nailed it mate, exactly what I thought
From now on Ollie's going to just flat out deny ever loosing at anything 😄
These videos are entertaining for sure and I do love the channel but can we get a balance of entertainment and useful reviews? As in this was a good watch but I’d also like to know how good a budget vs mid range vs top of the range gps bike computer compare in a test similar to what you done here. Hope this doesn’t come across like a moan, Keep up the great work much love and ride safe
My Karoo 2 will arrive tomorrow, bye bye Garmin...
Lovely episode, had so much fun to watch, love the GPS device and considering to purchase one soon
I have to say, if you are out to see the country. The map us more fun.
08:00 Alex’ compass mount; Hack or Bodge? 11:10 Alex gives the answer 😁👍🏻
Next week GCN will have an Uphill vs Downhill race brought to you by Going Down Hills LLC
😂😂😂
Having used Garmin and Mio in the past, and now using a Sigma Rox 12. Mostly for training and data. But for navigation only, especially during longer cycling holidays abroad, I prefer my smartphone. Larger, and much more detailed screen. Komoot and Naviki are my most used apps but there are so many to choose from. lack of battery life is not a problem at all, that's what powerbanks are for.
but,gee, all the cool kids have one.
Really, only advantage is ANT+ connectivity
@@whazzat8015 Haha! At 54 I ain't cool anymore and don't feel the need to act like one either. :-)
Try giving Ollie the physical map and see what happens.🤣
13:40 - it appears that the worker in Hi Visibility clothing is going faster than ollie! if he carries on at this pace he will be dropped by a worker in Hi Visibility on a mtb!
When i used to ride and commute back in the early 2000's when smart phones weren't that smart and GPS bike computers were things of science fiction, i carried a "A to Z" (map brand) of London. Trying to find the smallest map but with the most areas i need wasn't easy. Thankfully i had it in book form rather than Alex's ungainly folding map.
LOL. As someone who your use the OS maps in the 90s to map out and navigate routes, you can fold those maps to show just the area you are in. That said, GPS computers are awesome these days..
So how does the karoo compares to the wahoo roam?
Any preference towards one or the other?
Thanks.
I wonder how the GPS would've fared against someone who can read a map and use a compass sensibly and have a map that covers the correct area.
Or with a cheap phone that is already paid for?
not much of a challenge.
Even Google Maps could best mishandled map and compass.
@@davidburgess741 ??huh
Studies of spatial orientation actually show GPS use produces a progressive impairment. Gps is best used to help get quick bearings, not as a map to follow.
Damn, that gorge is beautiful. I wanna climb it!
Got vivid top gear vibes from that start bit
I use a Garmin and it’s fine.
But the best maps for navigating in Britain are O.S. 1 : 50,000 and 1 : 25,000 landranger series, which I download to my android mobile phone for free using the “Backcountry Navigator” App.
I can always double check my location and have a back-up system.
What’s the phrase, all the gear...lol
Guess I'm supposed to run out and buy a Karoo 2 after watching this. Watching commercials ain't my thing....
1. Ollie “The Tortoise” Bridgewood
2. Has state of the art GPS but loses to a map
3. GCN crew exploiting his 8.3mph avg speed
I think the Ollie needs to take a break next week..or for GCN to SLOW down the subtle jabs
Unfortunately, the 8:37 statement by Olie is patently inaccurate. Unfortunately, the biggest drawback of ALL current cycle computers (at least, the models without expandable storage), including the Hammerhead Karoo 2, is the insufficient storage for any sort of serious touring. The Europe maps alone will require twice (if not thrice!) the storage of the Karoo 2 to fit. Germany maps alone are ca. 9GB. If you are traveling from, say, North of Germany to South of Spain, you'll have to offload already covered maps to download and install new ones to compete the journey. It's a headache and a great strain on your wallet.
Furthermore, out of thee 32GB (stil grossly insufficient!) of Karoo 2's storage only ca. 27-28GB be used for storing maps (roughly good for two biggest EU countries and a single smaller one). Updating maps will require additional storage yet, as new ones have to be downloaded, stored, and old ones discarded.
The maps of the entire World take 100-something GB (somewhere in mid-100's). So - no, your can't install the entire World map in the Karoo 2. Hopefully, in the next iteration some 5 years on from now. I hope, by then the Karoo 3 comes with some 512GB storage for maps, music and sideloadable apps.
With that said, I still consider the Karoo 2 the best cycler computer overall at present. Its UI is matched only by the Absolute One. Its overall design is better than most, too. Its navigation features need polishing somewhat, but even so, area among the best out there today. Its features set may be a tad narrower than, say, Garmin 1030's, but not by much; still in most respects it's better than any Garmin. Exceptions: battery life, some group ride -specific features. Among Karoo 2's strongest suits are: free maps, its smartphone-class, high resolution screen (almost 300PPI!), its visuals (physical AND UI), its navigation features compared to most devices (such as the Wahoo Roam, etc.), its relatively large screen, the regular, quite frequent, updates, the Dashboard features (still need improvement, but surpass most competition's), etc.
@GCN Tech
Amusing clip as always lads, but it feels like you guys really dropped the ball on this paid commercial for Hammerhead. Like why did you think it would be effective advertising to do a comparison of a gps vs a map and compass? Why didn't you do a comparison against an actual comparable platform/product? If I was from Hammerhead advertising/ marketing team, I'd be wanting my money back..... Also, Ollie not being able to win despite having a gps doesn't really promote the product 😅
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Ride with GPS is a free phone app. You do carry your phone don't you? Paper maps not entirely stupid if satellites go down. Maybe RWGPS will be hacked someday but Garmin could fill the void!
38.6 miles at avg 8.4 mph best get training (16 .26 min)
I like GCN but these paid promotion vids get a bit much. Comparing a GPS unit with a paper map is not much of a product review.
The same culture that gave birth to Monty Python and Benny Hill rears it’s head slightly here in GCN. Turn it up higher. Hire some comedy writers.
I had quite a few productions in foreign lands in the 90’s.. I had to navigate around with maps. Nothing beats their big high resolution foldout. Studying them the night before in the hotel room made me incredible aware of an unknown place. They allow you to see in greater context, where you are going and where you’ve just been. They still are boss for serious missions.
All the kit and still lost! Ok, to be clear, Ollie only had to follow the GPS instructions while Alex needed to stop, get a bearing, figure out a route and stop several times to navigate while Ollie could rely on his state of the art GPS.
And Ollie still lost!
I think that this video just took over from the 4 vs 1 challenge where Ollie was dropped.
All the gear, no idea!
When I use a paper map, I tear out the portion I need. No reason to have a full sized printed map. Alex only needed the bottom left hand corner of that map. Though once you use a GPS head unit, you will never go back to paper again. The Karoo looks like a nice unit.
Buy maps ... a small scale map for the overview, and large scale maps for the detail. Plan your route/have an idea where you want to go. Then assuming you've got a smart phone, use it to take photographs of the relevant area. Gives you a much nicer view than google maps or strava, and doesn't rely on an internet connection. Put a compass app on your phone if you want, but you can usually tell direction from the Sun.
if you had an A-Z ( I'm showing my age lol ) it would work out better than the physical paper map! I've done it before and without a compass too!
it helps if you actually know how to use a map and plan a ride... and why would you need a map for your entire continent when you go for a ride? you need a map for the area you're planning to ride, not an area 500 miles away. does nobody remember riding before head units? kids these days... totally lost without their connected gadgets!
Wearing overshoes, but not gloves 😬
I do this all the time - my feet get much colder than my hands. I had thought this was normal, but you've got me wondering if I've some weird hot-hands disease now!
Even Olly can't mess this one up. Well I hope my faith in him pays off as I have $20.00 on the outcome. Win Olly Win. If not you are dead to me lol.
Some of us have handlebar bags with actual map cases on top, so Alex should have been properly equipped at the start.
Getting lost is so much more fun Trust me I'm brilliant at it you'll never know what you'll find
Ollie could have cleaned his fingernails. Probably snails under there aswell.
a commercial of almost 17 min. for crying out loud. Must be the worst content since...?
The old timey pros would stuff maps under their woolen jerseys while descending in the cold...
07:47 thats a GCN hack of the year winner 100%. I don't care its only February 😂
Better have a pair of running shoes handy if you are using a map. May need to chase it down when it is blown away. Well done, fellas. Well done.
I used a map on my last endurance epic...but only the part of the map that was relevant. I was very happy.
Take a picture! Don't use your phone! How is this working in 2021?
The race was back to "GNC Megabase", so no documented winner.
Alex's compass ..Hack or Bodge? Id say its a hack!
Avg 8.4 MPH......
What happened to Ollie's front light? One shot its there and the next its gone!!!
Yo, where can I buy one of those cycling compasses though.
Give others map, and compass only way ollie will not get dropped. 🤣🤣
Err Cheddar to Bath... Up to the fork turn Left to Chew Magner.. turn Right keep in the road to Bath!
What mount did you use for that Canyon steering wheel??
Nice bit of kit but hells bells that was a long advertisement!
I always use gps and I still get lost every time I try to plan a new route...
8.4 mph avg speed?? No wonder Alex win
Hey look, Hank's dad in the background at 13:40.
introducing GCN’s newest presenter: 🐌
Isn't that just Ollie
Ollie, what happened to the front light you had at the start of the ride?
Awesome. Works great and super easy set up. We love it.
Maps are nice that they don't run out of batteries, and they are at least twice as accurate as UK road signage.
Any one notice that 7 mins 30 Ollie has a light on his bike, the shot changed and the light is missing.
£359.00 for the basic wow...
I stick with phone. You're probably carrying it anyway. Thing is the battery.. I find it saves a lot to make sure the komoot map is downloaded and preplan the route or whatever then use airplane mode because the normal GPS still works. 👍
Karoo 2: best bike computer from my point of view
Good for an ad. Also that screen seems to be the selling point to me
The woman @ 15:06 looks like she wants some of that sprint.