only of minor interest due to variable wind conditions, gradients, road surface and specific goals of the ride (intervals, recovery ride etc.) Shame there isn't a 'grin factor' metric
Does anyone else just hate the “chemistry” on gcn? Just give me some interesting information. They’re all ex racers not comedians or presenters, they’re no good at “banter” it’s just cringe
As a very mature cyclist, I ride 6000-7000km/yr . I never consider any ride a training ride. I simply enjoy going fast. My average speed is a very good indicator of my fitness and it is the first thing I look at when I complete any ride! I am sure I am not unique!
I used to focus on average speed because that was the only metric I had other than RPE. Then I got a power meter and now I could care less about average speed (except of course during a race) but instead focus on quality interval training. I've seen a dramatic increase in my FTP, etc. since.
Since Lockdown #1 I’ve ridden without a Garmin on board 😳 Previously, so wrapped up in average speed, heart rate & cadence, ditching the Garmin made me realise why I started riding in the first place.....having a blast on a bike, forget numbers/Strava and avoiding all those ‘traps’ that Ollie confessed to. Wattbike is for numbers....bike is for socials, coffee & cake 🤓 Try it!!
This is the reason I only want to get a smart trainer, but not a power meter. Smart trainer can help me get fit, but then I just want to use that fitness for fun outside.
15:15 Spinergy wheels are hands down the best gravel wheels I have ever purchased, they change the feel of the entire bike in the best way possible! If you get the chance to try a pair you’ll see the lovely feel for yourself
Thanks for the talk about average speed. I’ve so fallen into that trap! And have come back from an enjoyable ride to clear my head only to get somewhat discouraged because my average speed was slower than I thought. I do look at for races though. Now, maybe I won’t focus on it as much.
Average speed is the most important logistical metric. It determines when you'll arrive at locations, when you'll be home. It'll always be the most important thing to consider for a practical analysis of a ride.
In grade school I was told that if I didn’t bring enough treats to share with everyone, then don’t bring them to class. Ollie, you really need to share the treats that are sent in. Great job gentleman, keep up the good work.
I learned a long time ago that average speed is not something to worry too much about. Even on routes that I ride a lot. It is nice to look at but a heavy headwind will kill it. A nice tailwind will help it. In very non-aerodynamic winter kit will slow you down. It still feels good to earn a gold medal on a Strava segment, but I am not devastated if I don't. I am 51 years old, so I rode well before power meters and heart rate straps. Perceived exertion and average speed was pretty much all you had.
Last year, a month before lockdown i Europe, I bought a used Cinelli Superstar with top of the line equipment. A big step-up from my commuter roadbike. I took on TT on more or less the same route. 40 km i total, and average speed is my main fixpoint during and after my ride. I always plan my route, so I get the most tailwind on the 20 km bikepath. If I want fast sprints, I just choose the car lane though the small villages with 50 km/h limits. I the Netherlands and here in Denmark roads are quite flat and TT-like, so avr speed makes a lot of sence. Thanks for some great videos over the years. By the way, during 3000+ km I was able to go from 29 to 33,5 km/h. Thats great if your 53..
@@Shadowboost Definitely. In fact, it's quantified for me the significant negative effect of wind on my speed, to the extent I'm now making mods to my bike to be more aero.
Average speed over a given repeatable route can provide useful information on fitness. I use power meters, but the data they provide is quite complex, far less "user friendly" than tracking one's average speed over the same route. The key is to use every piece of data you can collect.
I have to be honest here, I was a little sad that Ollie got smoked in that Everyone v. Mighty Aero Si. But when Si said on the GCN Show that he has only like 37 followers, I switched my sadness to that. Poor Si, I hope he gets more followers.
As a non-racing cyclist I use my average speed along with some very subjective metrics (like how I feel on a given day) to compare rides over the same routes. The best metric of all for me though is how riding makes me feel, which is always better than if I don't ride.
FYI when you were advertising GCN+ at the beginning of Hot Tech you listed the price at $19.99 USD. Isn't it $24.99 USD? I am only pointing this out because I subscribed this morning. BTW I'm so excited to see your new content!
It's in biggy parallels... which many-a-bike-vault-rejectee has cried about!! They think it looks better parallel though, so maybe we should ask GCN for a people's vote!?
Naturally it matters, It's by far the most important factor. The average speed is also a ticket to the PRO cycling. A proper cycling coach would look at your bike, set a course and set an average speed. If you can achieve that average speed you are accepted in the team. If not, keep practicing. When running, the average speed is also the most important data... This data is shown on your fintess watch while running and it tells you instantly what will be your final result. Every runner knows exactly what is capable of, just because of that particular data.
If someone rides the same route around where they live, then at the end you can look at your average speed as a measurement of progression. Average power doesnt alwsys tell u if your progressing, especially on windy days. You could be dishing out yoir max power but have a slower average speed, depending on wind.
I find it a useful metric for comparing efforts over similar routes. Can't say I've used these techniques (cheats) to improve the numbers. My rules are continuous rides (no breaks), & they be a loop or out-&-home that starts & finishes at the same point. But then I do sometimes plan my routes to make the most of the wind (or traffic conditions) to increase my average speed. If my route involves flat sections exposed to the wind & some hills, I'll ride the flat section with the tailwind & the hills with the headwind. My theory is I'll be sheltered from some of the headwind by the hills, & on the flat I'll have a nice tailwind. For me, higher speed equals getting excited equals putting more effort in. And the uphills... let's just call it penance... or an investment in potential energy.
All these numbers and metrics and measurements and such are wonderful, no question, they really add a lot, pun sort of intended, to the game of sport cycling. But for me, for the most part, the only metric that truly matters is the vertical one. I just don't want any falls for any reason and right now, winter is trying hard to bring me down. So just staying upright by riding carefully--and sometimes low and slow--wins for me.
I've always been frustrated with people looking at average speed as if it means someone is really strong or not. They're usually people who don't ride that much and don't know that road conditions, traffic lights, weather etc all play a part.
Average speed is a motivator but it can make you frustrated or disappointed. Average speed can be affected by so many factors (wind, traffic, your energy levels, etc.). On a windy day and exerting the same effort, for example, your ave. speed will be less than when the wind is calmer. You’ll scratch your head why you’re faster on your last ride. Or wonder why you had to exert more effort to match your ave. speed on your previous. Unless you can control these factors, average speed is not that reliable in measuring your performance.
It’s clear that very few people understand the concept of average speed judging by the drivers on the motorways covered by average speed limit cameras 🤦🏼♀️
It is valuable and meaningful, if you are comparing your own performance between similar or identical rides and routes and if the ride is sufficiently long. I can ride an ave speed of 23kmh over a 4h ride and this drops to 21kmh over a 6h ride and 20kmh over a 8h ride. Most of my rides are in the order of 80 to 160km with sum of climbs which are in the order of 1% of the distance (e.g. 1000m climb for a 100km ride). So if I manage an average speed of a 23kmh on my 90km "standard" loop, I know I am gaining fitness compared to my ride a few weeks earlier at an ave of 21kmh I agree that for shorter and more specific rides is less important
I took Avg Speed off of my GPS screens a long time ago. I found that I would sometimes wring myself unnecessarily trying to chase a number regardless of conditions.
Thumbs up usually come from me out of gratitude for entertaining productions. Today it’s because this is the least bad Ollie’s hair has looked. Good job, man.
What's the fastest speed people have ever done? Back in 1996, as an amateur rider - just a very regular commuter through some very steep terrain - I clocked 83km/hr down the steepest decent of my ride (couldn't tell you the gradient but it was Happy Valley Drive in southern Adelaide leading into the southern hills). Got the speed wobbles but shifted my weight right back and feathered just the rear brakes. Tbh I was pretty chuffed with myself lol. And I'm pretty sure the drivers in the cars around me were a little surprised to see me right next to them keeping pace haha. Ah those were the days, my own build from an alloy frame I bought second hand and 46km/day commute which got me super fit! Loved those days.
Definitely agree with the average speed not mattering, I live by brands hatch and most rides include lots of climbing so I'm struggling to get above 16 mph, most rides between 2500 and 4000 ft elevation. Oh and I'm unfit!
The only time I even take my average speed seriously is on Strava comparing it to previous matched rides. That is the only time average speed is useful
speed = distance / time. Even if you know someone did 15 miles in 45 minutes, it tells you nothing more than average speed. You must know the route, then the speed, distance or time will make sense. Power meter so all can compare even without knowing the route.
everyone is blessed/cursed with their own attributes- comparing ones self to another is meaningless. however, maintaining a good log-book (training software) riding the same circuits over time allows one to answer a more meaningful question: am I getting better or am I worse ? This really helps maintain overall fitness in terms of diet and training consistency.
I used to focus on average speed way too much, but as Ollie and Alex said it only really means anything in a race/TT situation, Living in Snowdonia I always used to think I was slow compared to people I know who live in flat areas riding the same distance! I feel better now...a bit 😂
I used to slow down so some new folk on group rides could catch up gradually if I noticed they'd got a little behind, but then I stopped "for a breather" until they caught up so my average remained higher. Childish, I know - but . . . :o)
Don't have a powermeter. I look at heartrate. Use Calories per Minute and Calories per Mile to see if I was riding harder. I then look at speed to see if it's showing improvement. One thing I saw is riding in the cold, I work harder and ride much slower.
well it depends what you are riding for? I go off power more than speed as there are so many different factors that can influence your speed but watts are watts
Hi, great content. Love the shows. Have you heard about the Canyon Aeraod 2021 seatpost problems? I beleve Ollie has a 2021 CFR. Would you do a show/episode about it?
While riding i only Fucus on cadance and Power in first line in secound line on heart Rate and actual speed. Sometimes the avg. speed is an extra Motivation to push harder on the last few km back home. In Case i see an 29.7km/h when in soom out at the secound Page of my elemnt bolt.
Average speed is what I look at when I’m riding the same circuit for days on end...ummm, albeit it doesn’t help when your Garmin HRM and power meter pedal goes on the fritz.
We have a pretty long flat uninterrupted loop in my city (15 km per lap, no traffic lights). Almost all cycling clubs here ride in big group, bragging how they can achieve very high average speed on their social media. This is ridiculous. As a lone wolf cyclist, I know I can’t beat the average speed of peloton, so I brag my average power instead.
Hey guys, here comes a Di2 Question: I have Di2 on my TT-bike with the newer 1-button shifters on the extensions(SW-R9160) as well as the brakes (ST-R9160). This Pretty much mandates the use of full synchro-shifting if you want to shift the full range of gears from the basebar aswell as the extensions. For this to work, you also need to assign all 4 buttons to only shift the rear derailleur. This however makes the Manual mode quite useless as you have no way of shifting the front mech. Is there any way to achieve a setup, where the basebar shifters shift the rear mech in full synchro and the front-mech in manual or semi-synchro mode?
I would argue average speed is the only thing that matters. The goal of cycling is moving your butt from A to B reasonably quickly. If you can do it more quickly and expend less effort then you're doing it better. This is true in a race and this is true in day to day life. The only perverse thing is lying about it to try to get some worthless social validation.
Plagued by etoro adverts in UA-cam over here, and I have just noticed that Ollie has a passing resemblance to "Joe" from one of the adverts, who is not a good example of a trader apparently. With Ollie not being a good example of a Team TT rider maybe there is more than just a passing appearance based connection :D
PBO spokes sound great, but UV rays are very bad for PBO so they need a cover to protect them from sunlight, and those covers add lots of weight... There are lighter covers and treatments but they have a limited lifespan... Expect to be replacing these spokes quite regularly... And PBO ain't cheap!
Hills and short climbs are actualy good for average speed , for example if i target 30km/h , i can climb with 10km/h chill 1km and then descend the other side with 60km/ h chill . On the foot of the next climb my average speed beeing higer with 5km/h than targeted
It matters if you consider we’re creatures of habit. I have 4 or 5 routes tops. (I know, a bit boring) but I use average speed to compare rides of the same route all the time.
Small world! @nikefutbolero super nice bike submission was taken by one of my fav pic locations. I too, take pics of my bike here. The scenic location is located in West Sacramento, California, USA. Small world indeed!
Yesterday I rode 38K at an average of 15 kph, but it had 1500m+ in 15K ... I came back down with low light and literally shivering halfway, plus I generally don't like to descend fast with precarious tarmac and sharp bends. Enough said.
If you've got a circuit you ride regularly/or a set competition course, then Average Speed is as good as any other *_single_* metric for measuring performance and/or improvement.... but in reality, nobody has *_ever_* focused *_solely_* on average speed.
the only thing worse than people rattling on about their 'starva average'... is swift numpties who sit around playing a video game all day, as opposed to going out and actually riding their bike! 51 miles today at 12 mph on an old sora... deal with it (ps. the di2 venge pro will be out when it's a bit warmer and drier) just ride you bike people...
If your training the same routes alot like say if you can't go more than 5km from your house🤯 I look at it then but like you said two different routes is like comparing apples to pears even if it's the same route but crap weather you can't expect to go as fast
Does average speed matter to you? Let us know 👇
only of minor interest due to variable wind conditions, gradients, road surface and specific goals of the ride (intervals, recovery ride etc.) Shame there isn't a 'grin factor' metric
Yes...If I average 15mph and my friend averages 10mph I will be in the coffee shop before him.
yes sir it matters firstly because we dont have power meters and we ride same course daily...so comparing avg speed is useful
Not to me. Having fun on a bike no matter what is the most important!
Yes, in the Netherlands it's a good metric.
I think the editors need to check over what they’ve cut in already........ I think the editors need to check over what they’ve cut in already
Filler? In a gcn video?? Noooo!!!
lol yeah. lol yeah.
Again, the chemistry is starting to develop and these two are brilliant together! Well done chaps.
I miss John a lot though!!!
Yeah. Agree that Alex is settling in. Miss Manon though. I always liked that she set Ollie on edge a bit and held her own.
Definitely. Also, Alex is really starting to loosen up. Great to see.
Does anyone else just hate the “chemistry” on gcn? Just give me some interesting information. They’re all ex racers not comedians or presenters, they’re no good at “banter” it’s just cringe
3:50, 4:40 I feel like I've heard this before.
Just a deja vu. The biggest impact is the terrain...
The Matrix has been reconfigured
At least he’s consistent!
haha I paused when noticing myself and scrolled down to find this comment
‘“Only rides on flat roads” - *cries in Dutch*
Where I live we have 30-60m elevation climbs! God bless Veluwezoom & utrechtse heuvelrug
@@woutervanderdoes5163 sad, Biggest climb I have is 15-20, but there is only 1
Joins in but crying in Norfolk.
I live smack in the middle of the Appalachian Mountains. I can go any direction from my house and climb 300m or more
I actually wish I had more flat road to train TT on
As a very mature cyclist, I ride 6000-7000km/yr . I never consider any ride a training ride. I simply enjoy going fast. My average speed is a very good indicator of my fitness and it is the first thing I look at when I complete any ride! I am sure I am not unique!
You have to get a power meter!
What's your average speed? @Anthony Parkes
I used to focus on average speed because that was the only metric I had other than RPE. Then I got a power meter and now I could care less about average speed (except of course during a race) but instead focus on quality interval training. I've seen a dramatic increase in my FTP, etc. since.
Not caring about your average speed is how you increase your average speed the most.
Since Lockdown #1 I’ve ridden without a Garmin on board 😳 Previously, so wrapped up in average speed, heart rate & cadence, ditching the Garmin made me realise why I started riding in the first place.....having a blast on a bike, forget numbers/Strava and avoiding all those ‘traps’ that Ollie confessed to. Wattbike is for numbers....bike is for socials, coffee & cake 🤓 Try it!!
Not beeing able to afford These gimmicks might Not even be so Bad after all
This is the reason I only want to get a smart trainer, but not a power meter. Smart trainer can help me get fit, but then I just want to use that fitness for fun outside.
I work on my TAG average.........time above ground, mate . I am older and feel lucky to be able to cycle at all !! Be safe , eh?
I’m with you on that one, in the same boat pushing 70😬 I can’t be bothered to waste a ride out training, that’s what Zwift is for!
Not to mention, Average Speed is extremely influenced by riding by yourself / with a person or two
15:15 Spinergy wheels are hands down the best gravel wheels I have ever purchased, they change the feel of the entire bike in the best way possible! If you get the chance to try a pair you’ll see the lovely feel for yourself
@GCN Please pay Ollie enough so he can move out of his Mum's place.
Ollie has a PhD in Chemistry. It's a lifestyle choice for him!
The most important metric is smiles per mile
When I ride my bike I always get a head wind even it I go in the other direction.
Thanks for the talk about average speed. I’ve so fallen into that trap! And have come back from an enjoyable ride to clear my head only to get somewhat discouraged because my average speed was slower than I thought. I do look at for races though. Now, maybe I won’t focus on it as much.
Ollie won the follower race while sitting in the back of the office :) Well done
If I have an average speed I'm still moving forward. That's good enough for me 🙂
The way I look at it is never compare yourself to others just try be better than yesterday so you can be better tomorrow
Average speed is the most important logistical metric. It determines when you'll arrive at locations, when you'll be home.
It'll always be the most important thing to consider for a practical analysis of a ride.
In grade school I was told that if I didn’t bring enough treats to share with everyone, then don’t bring them to class. Ollie, you really need to share the treats that are sent in. Great job gentleman, keep up the good work.
"Does Average Speed Actually Matter For Cycling?" - yes! its all i have going for me, and its the only competion I have with others on strava
Segments are better for comparing, aren't them?
@@ИльяШумилин-н2и thats true
I learned a long time ago that average speed is not something to worry too much about. Even on routes that I ride a lot. It is nice to look at but a heavy headwind will kill it. A nice tailwind will help it. In very non-aerodynamic winter kit will slow you down. It still feels good to earn a gold medal on a Strava segment, but I am not devastated if I don't. I am 51 years old, so I rode well before power meters and heart rate straps. Perceived exertion and average speed was pretty much all you had.
the Gcn tech show is like an anime that is ongoing and you wait for it every week
And Just like an anime the outcome is predictable, and Progression is marginal...
The new weekly 'GCN shuts down world tour pro bike vault submissions on technicalities' is now my favorite part of this show.
Last year, a month before lockdown i Europe, I bought a used Cinelli Superstar with top of the line equipment. A big step-up from my commuter roadbike. I took on TT on more or less the same route. 40 km i total, and average speed is my main fixpoint during and after my ride. I always plan my route, so I get the most tailwind on the 20 km bikepath. If I want fast sprints, I just choose the car lane though the small villages with 50 km/h limits. I the Netherlands and here in Denmark roads are quite flat and TT-like, so avr speed makes a lot of sence. Thanks for some great videos over the years. By the way, during 3000+ km I was able to go from 29 to 33,5 km/h. Thats great if your 53..
As long as my average speed is non-zero, I'm good.
shows -10km/h
I'm much more impressed by a hilly ride with thousands of meters of ascended elevation.
Supernice cowbelling, Alex!
I like to compare average speed between rides on a specific route. But even variable wind conditions influence that.
Yeah, but over time (ridden hundreds of times) I think it's still worthwhile
@@Shadowboost Definitely. In fact, it's quantified for me the significant negative effect of wind on my speed, to the extent I'm now making mods to my bike to be more aero.
how do you follow someone on the gcn app, I can‘t find the option to search oli and follow him
I was thinking the same thing
Sometimes I feel that the apologetic "That's a nice bike i'm afraid", instead of a "yh mate are you having a laugh" hits harder XD
Average speed over a given repeatable route can provide useful information on fitness. I use power meters, but the data they provide is quite complex, far less "user friendly" than tracking one's average speed over the same route. The key is to use every piece of data you can collect.
I have to be honest here, I was a little sad that Ollie got smoked in that Everyone v. Mighty Aero Si. But when Si said on the GCN Show that he has only like 37 followers, I switched my sadness to that. Poor Si, I hope he gets more followers.
The final Bike Vault entry made this video for me. Loved it.
As a non-racing cyclist I use my average speed along with some very subjective metrics (like how I feel on a given day) to compare rides over the same routes. The best metric of all for me though is how riding makes me feel, which is always better than if I don't ride.
That BMC Roadmachine looked so much better than the Felt! shame you took it apart!
FYI when you were advertising GCN+ at the beginning of Hot Tech you listed the price at $19.99 USD. Isn't it $24.99 USD? I am only pointing this out because I subscribed this morning. BTW I'm so excited to see your new content!
Yes I want to know this too, since it shows up in the GCN app at $25, not $20.
It does kinda give an indication how long it'll take to get places!
Good point - if you're riding a to b it's pretty important!
@@gcntech everywhere I ride is a to b. And usually b to a
Rare deja vu editing slip. Only highlights how high our expectations of the crew is here. Shouldn't judge a video by one metric alone.
yes it does. it helps me compare my time on a specific route to knowif i am improving or not. i dont care what time the others are doing
the fact that the pinarello at the back isn't in biggy smalls...
It's in biggy parallels... which many-a-bike-vault-rejectee has cried about!! They think it looks better parallel though, so maybe we should ask GCN for a people's vote!?
Naturally it matters, It's by far the most important factor. The average speed is also a ticket to the PRO cycling. A proper cycling coach would look at your bike, set a course and set an average speed. If you can achieve that average speed you are accepted in the team. If not, keep practicing. When running, the average speed is also the most important data... This data is shown on your fintess watch while running and it tells you instantly what will be your final result. Every runner knows exactly what is capable of, just because of that particular data.
You can tell when the Wham bar kicked in during the bike vault, It perked Ollie right up.
If someone rides the same route around where they live, then at the end you can look at your average speed as a measurement of progression.
Average power doesnt alwsys tell u if your progressing, especially on windy days. You could be dishing out yoir max power but have a slower average speed, depending on wind.
I find it a useful metric for comparing efforts over similar routes.
Can't say I've used these techniques (cheats) to improve the numbers. My rules are continuous rides (no breaks), & they be a loop or out-&-home that starts & finishes at the same point. But then I do sometimes plan my routes to make the most of the wind (or traffic conditions) to increase my average speed. If my route involves flat sections exposed to the wind & some hills, I'll ride the flat section with the tailwind & the hills with the headwind. My theory is I'll be sheltered from some of the headwind by the hills, & on the flat I'll have a nice tailwind. For me, higher speed equals getting excited equals putting more effort in. And the uphills... let's just call it penance... or an investment in potential energy.
All these numbers and metrics and measurements and such are wonderful, no question, they really add a lot, pun sort of intended, to the game of sport cycling. But for me, for the most part, the only metric that truly matters is the vertical one. I just don't want any falls for any reason and right now, winter is trying hard to bring me down. So just staying upright by riding carefully--and sometimes low and slow--wins for me.
I've always been frustrated with people looking at average speed as if it means someone is really strong or not. They're usually people who don't ride that much and don't know that road conditions, traffic lights, weather etc all play a part.
Average speed is a motivator but it can make you frustrated or disappointed. Average speed can be affected by so many factors (wind, traffic, your energy levels, etc.). On a windy day and exerting the same effort, for example, your ave. speed will be less than when the wind is calmer. You’ll scratch your head why you’re faster on your last ride. Or wonder why you had to exert more effort to match your ave. speed on your previous. Unless you can control these factors, average speed is not that reliable in measuring your performance.
It’s clear that very few people understand the concept of average speed judging by the drivers on the motorways covered by average speed limit cameras 🤦🏼♀️
A Matrix glitch there... 150w flat, 250w hilly, then I fell into the speed trap and hello Agent Smith!....
When you understand that Chewie from star wars is addicted to wham bars it all makes sense.
It is valuable and meaningful, if you are comparing your own performance between similar or identical rides and routes and if the ride is sufficiently long.
I can ride an ave speed of 23kmh over a 4h ride and this drops to 21kmh over a 6h ride and 20kmh over a 8h ride.
Most of my rides are in the order of 80 to 160km with sum of climbs which are in the order of 1% of the distance (e.g. 1000m climb for a 100km ride).
So if I manage an average speed of a 23kmh on my 90km "standard" loop, I know I am gaining fitness compared to my ride a few weeks earlier at an ave of 21kmh
I agree that for shorter and more specific rides is less important
I took Avg Speed off of my GPS screens a long time ago. I found that I would sometimes wring myself unnecessarily trying to chase a number regardless of conditions.
Thumbs up usually come from me out of gratitude for entertaining productions. Today it’s because this is the least bad Ollie’s hair has looked. Good job, man.
What's the fastest speed people have ever done? Back in 1996, as an amateur rider - just a very regular commuter through some very steep terrain - I clocked 83km/hr down the steepest decent of my ride (couldn't tell you the gradient but it was Happy Valley Drive in southern Adelaide leading into the southern hills). Got the speed wobbles but shifted my weight right back and feathered just the rear brakes. Tbh I was pretty chuffed with myself lol. And I'm pretty sure the drivers in the cars around me were a little surprised to see me right next to them keeping pace haha. Ah those were the days, my own build from an alloy frame I bought second hand and 46km/day commute which got me super fit! Loved those days.
Definitely agree with the average speed not mattering, I live by brands hatch and most rides include lots of climbing so I'm struggling to get above 16 mph, most rides between 2500 and 4000 ft elevation. Oh and I'm unfit!
Ooh...now do "Why FTP Doesn't Matter"
IS GCN+ play-able in youtube? Or is it app based only? If app based only is there a GCN+ app for TVs?
The only time I even take my average speed seriously is on Strava comparing it to previous matched rides. That is the only time average speed is useful
That and planing longer rides trying to figure out what speed you should average before night fall.
speed = distance / time. Even if you know someone did 15 miles in 45 minutes, it tells you nothing more than average speed. You must know the route, then the speed, distance or time will make sense. Power meter so all can compare even without knowing the route.
Average speed matters to me because I haven't got a power meter
ditto
why the fuck would you comment this
@@sterman7632 calm down lad
@@sterman7632 why not?
@@tommyphillips8547 for real it's a dumb comment and it has no meaning
Headed to the pub for a beer...yes
everyone is blessed/cursed with their own attributes- comparing ones self to another is meaningless. however, maintaining a good log-book (training software) riding the same circuits over time allows one to answer a more meaningful question: am I getting better or am I worse ? This really helps maintain overall fitness in terms of diet and training consistency.
I used to focus on average speed way too much, but as Ollie and Alex said it only really means anything in a race/TT situation, Living in Snowdonia I always used to think I was slow compared to people I know who live in flat areas riding the same distance! I feel better now...a bit 😂
OK, can't find it, where do I go (in the app) to follow (in the app) a presenter ?
I have the same issue!
You have to find a post they have already made then follow them from there. Bit painful 😬
@@kstethespokes1051 Thanks, useless to do in this shitty app.
Road surface also makes a massive difference!
I ride the same loops every day and they're full of hills and long gradients. I track my progress by the average speed and the PB's on those segments.
Average speed in winter is also considerably lower, because of darkness, wet roads and generally more muck and debris on the roads.
Alex casually mentioning a time trial while sat next to Ollie who got dropped.
Where is Bolliver??
I used to slow down so some new folk on group rides could catch up gradually if I noticed they'd got a little behind, but then I stopped "for a breather" until they caught up so my average remained higher. Childish, I know - but . . .
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Olie is so funny, Im just have a happy time watching this, he keeps saying yes. and his expression. LOL
Average speed is very useful if you compare the day to day ride on the same terrain.
Don't have a powermeter. I look at heartrate. Use Calories per Minute and Calories per Mile to see if I was riding harder. I then look at speed to see if it's showing improvement. One thing I saw is riding in the cold, I work harder and ride much slower.
well it depends what you are riding for? I go off power more than speed as there are so many different factors that can influence your speed but watts are watts
On a commute when you're late for work? Yes...
Hi, great content. Love the shows. Have you heard about the Canyon Aeraod 2021 seatpost problems? I beleve Ollie has a 2021 CFR. Would you do a show/episode about it?
6:08 You guys keep teasing Alex riding Ollie's bike -- I'll subscribe to GCN+ *twice* if you'll just release the darn video!
While riding i only Fucus on cadance and Power in first line in secound line on heart Rate and actual speed.
Sometimes the avg. speed is an extra Motivation to push harder on the last few km back home. In Case i see an 29.7km/h when in soom out at the secound Page of my elemnt bolt.
Average speed is what I look at when I’m riding the same circuit for days on end...ummm, albeit it doesn’t help when your Garmin HRM and power meter pedal goes on the fritz.
We have a pretty long flat uninterrupted loop in my city (15 km per lap, no traffic lights). Almost all cycling clubs here ride in big group, bragging how they can achieve very high average speed on their social media. This is ridiculous. As a lone wolf cyclist, I know I can’t beat the average speed of peloton, so I brag my average power instead.
Hey guys, here comes a Di2 Question:
I have Di2 on my TT-bike with the newer 1-button shifters on the extensions(SW-R9160) as well as the brakes (ST-R9160). This Pretty much mandates the use of full synchro-shifting if you want to shift the full range of gears from the basebar aswell as the extensions. For this to work, you also need to assign all 4 buttons to only shift the rear derailleur. This however makes the Manual mode quite useless as you have no way of shifting the front mech.
Is there any way to achieve a setup, where the basebar shifters shift the rear mech in full synchro and the front-mech in manual or semi-synchro mode?
I would argue average speed is the only thing that matters.
The goal of cycling is moving your butt from A to B reasonably quickly. If you can do it more quickly and expend less effort then you're doing it better. This is true in a race and this is true in day to day life.
The only perverse thing is lying about it to try to get some worthless social validation.
Plagued by etoro adverts in UA-cam over here, and I have just noticed that Ollie has a passing resemblance to "Joe" from one of the adverts, who is not a good example of a trader apparently. With Ollie not being a good example of a Team TT rider maybe there is more than just a passing appearance based connection :D
average speed is meaningless to me. riding for me is like tuning a guitar. when i ride right, i'm in tune. data not required
PBO spokes sound great, but UV rays are very bad for PBO so they need a cover to protect them from sunlight, and those covers add lots of weight... There are lighter covers and treatments but they have a limited lifespan... Expect to be replacing these spokes quite regularly... And PBO ain't cheap!
I think a new bike vault rule should be “you have to own the bike”, no team bikes.
The Scott addict has a DORK DISC, this cant be supernice!
I'd like to see "Splendid" come back to the Bike Vault instead of "Super Nice".
O man, I had forgotten about that. We need Dan to be the special guest host so he can bring that back. That was funny.
While avg speed is nice, I track my avg wattage closer. That gives me a better sense of how hard I worked during my training rides.
Hills and short climbs are actualy good for average speed , for example if i target 30km/h , i can climb with 10km/h chill 1km and then descend the other side with 60km/ h chill . On the foot of the next climb my average speed beeing higer with 5km/h than targeted
It matters if you consider we’re creatures of habit. I have 4 or 5 routes tops. (I know, a bit boring) but I use average speed to compare rides of the same route all the time.
#GCN #GCNTech #GCN+ Where will the GCN+ content stream? UA-cam or on a separate website? Already subscribed and excited for the launch!!
Small world! @nikefutbolero super nice bike submission was taken by one of my fav pic locations. I too, take pics of my bike here. The scenic location is located in West Sacramento, California, USA. Small world indeed!
Yesterday I rode 38K at an average of 15 kph, but it had 1500m+ in 15K ... I came back down with low light and literally shivering halfway, plus I generally don't like to descend fast with precarious tarmac and sharp bends. Enough said.
Is there a way to find users in the GCN app?
If you've got a circuit you ride regularly/or a set competition course, then Average Speed is as good as any other *_single_* metric for measuring performance and/or improvement.... but in reality, nobody has *_ever_* focused *_solely_* on average speed.
Can you test hill climbing in carbon vs regular 10kg aluminum bike. I would like to know would there be a significant difference in time.
There would be a noticeable difference, but yes how much exactly we'd have to find out!
the only thing worse than people rattling on about their 'starva average'... is swift numpties who sit around playing a video game all day, as opposed to going out and actually riding their bike! 51 miles today at 12 mph on an old sora... deal with it (ps. the di2 venge pro will be out when it's a bit warmer and drier) just ride you bike people...
If your training the same routes alot like say if you can't go more than 5km from your house🤯 I look at it then but like you said two different routes is like comparing apples to pears even if it's the same route but crap weather you can't expect to go as fast