I was in the navy, which carries marines around. A joke in the navy was,, if you saw marines, you could pretend you were standing in line for something. The marines, having no real job on the ship, would line up behind you, and then you could leave while the line would continuously grow with marines wanting to see what everyone is waiting for. (Actually we didnt have marines on my ship,,,, just LOTS of time for silly stories.)
Imperial Navy: we have 25,000 massive Imperial Star Destroyers, dozens of different super destroyers and multiple secret superweapon projects in progress to a safer and secure Empire Stromtrooper Corps: I got this blaster, a helmet that can't see, and a armor that doesn't work
Big enough ulcers do result in people starting to dissolve themselves. They usually don't start with the face, but in a galaxy that has sound in space and treats the parsec as a unit of time, this might be normal.
You know what'd be fucking sweet? A movie centered around the Empire and it's fight. One that follows a Stormtrooper squad as they're deployed around the Galaxy
This reminds me of the Japanese military of WWII. The ground forces constantly clashed with the navy for more resources, The Air Force and navy lost many of its pilots and officers in Pearl Harbor and Midway.
The Lieutenant One of the reasons the Allies won: from 1941 to 1945, in Japan the “Army-Navy Game” was the bloodiest pissing match in Human history; in the US it was still West Point and Annapolis meeting halfway in Philadelphia to end the college football season.
@@Demonai_Warrior actually Japan had a lot of pilot aces and experienced officers as well as a good navy and Air support. The Japanese lost the war mainly due to oil and resources shortage. The US also had a much more efficient industry and was able to quickly replace it losses, the US had much more ships and Japan built fewer but better ships like the Yamato as they weren't able to build as much, they built bigger and stronger,like the nazis. Kamikaze had a better operational range as they could use all their fuel instead of having to save half of it to return at their base, which doubled their range. Ironically, the US used tons of bombers (b-17 I think) in Germany and just sent them without enough escorts making them vulnerable to Germans aircrafts. B17 life expectancy was quite short (3 days for a crewmember of this flying grave ).
I'd like to say something real quick, I know the stormtrooper issue could've been fixed. The Stormtroopers are supposed to be an elite branch of highly capable soldiers that can end a battle in 20 minutes or less, but instead the movies and media portray them as everyday ordinary canon fodder that can't hit a target for crap. This is because the Stormtroopers are portrayed as the lowest of the low in the Empire in every source of Star Wars media; how to combat this idea and set piece for the Stormtroopers Corps would the inclusion of the Imperial Army. The Imperial Army (like the US Army) is far greater in size compared to the Stormtrooper Corps just like the US Army to the US Marine Corps, what should've been done in the film's is that the Stormtroopers should've a rare sighting, a foe that was far superior to the average everyday Imperial Army Soldier, a true force to be reckoned with. What I'm saying is that we should've seen more Army Troopers than we did with Stormtroopers. For example in Episode 4 the first thing we see are the Stormtroopers, they are fast, they are accurate, they are deadly, and they hardly care about slowing down for wounded, the very few that do get wounded at least. The Army should've been the ones on tatooine, they should've been the bumbling oafs that, easily getting force manipulated, miss their shots, and patrol and police Imperial occupied areas, (the last one is a thing our Army actually does so why do we see the equivalent to the Marine Corps doing it?). If the main focus canon fodder bad guy that any rebel could fight and win it should've been Army Troopers, show the scenes of where Luke and Ben found rubel of Sand Crawlers and bodies of those little sand guys and Uncle Owen and Aunt Boroo, show the audience that the Stormtroopers don't play around. Then when the big reveal for the Death Star comes, reveal the whole station is full of these elite troopers, a whole few battalions worth maybe even a few million! That would scare the piss out of not only the main cast but the audience too. Show the main cast trying to make more attempts at stealth rather then blowing their cover and shooting at whatever moves, when they are caught, make it so when a Stormtrooper does spot them, a main character will get shot but not in a vital area, showing that it's even more prevalent to avoid even one of these guys. Once the escape happens it will have more weight and relief because the audience was believed that some characters would actually die from this, and they almost did. Skip to the destruction of the Death Star and it's even more satisfying because a whole huge moon sized thing of Stormtroopers are dead, hell make the audience believe that was all the Stormtrooper Corps! Then when Episode V hits and the Battle of Hoth happens, the audience will be shocked and awed at the actual size of the Corps, and when they realize it's a whole invasion of just Stormtroopers, the battle will look even more hopeless. I could go on but but I think I made my point, make the main enemy weak Army troopers, then the Stormtroopers will have room to actually be down right menacing. If you made it this far thank you so much and like this comment to Generation Tech can see this and hopefully make a video on it. Thank you so much!
They don't show the mass death caused by storm trooper because of ratings. The storm troopers are genocidal killing teams. You can't show that on pg films.
I don't know why you're using the comparison of the US army to the marines when marines are known for being the dumbest of the different branches, and can't win Hearts and Minds like the other branches do outside of the US. Also the Marines actually do more policing than the army does because they're usually the guards for different military installations. A better equivalent for the stormtroopers would be the Army Rangers or other special forces
Great video. Vader had something like a bond with the storm troopers. He respected their style and way of thinking. Maybe the branch rivalry was another reason Vader hated the navy officers so much.
It would make more sense if the Stormtrooper Corps operated under the Navy, because they tend to be portrayed as similar to the United States Marine Corps in terms of posting and the operations they undertake: ship security, quick reaction force, boarding actions and expeditionary operations. Hell, why not just call them Imperial Marines?
Emiel Booth there’s a reason they are called stormtroopers. The fast moving drop ships allow them to deploy quickly and overrun a force. That was the idea of stormtroopers in ww1. Parties would move swiftly in the night overrunning enemy trenches with a surprise attack. Once the enemy is in shock the larger main force behind them moves in to take the trench and surrounding systems.
Because they already have Marine Storm Troopers, they are all armed with E-11s, Anti-Fighter and vehicle Proton Torpedo launchers, 4 thermal detonator, and they carry similar if not the same gear as Sand Troopers.
I think the Stormtroopers were more concerned with attacking or defending high value locations, like the Death Star, Scariff or Hoth. They would only work with the army and navy when it suited them and weren’t assigned to every ship.
In the Danish armed forces, this type of disparity does not exist.. All officers start with the same basic training as anybody else. Same mud and november drizzle as anybody else. Only afterwards does the officer training start. Even the most senior officers started their carriere in a fox hole eating the same questionable field rations as anybody else.
@@Arbitros1 royal auatralian navy keeps the divide (seperated training bases) but the first section of training is conducted the same with the offocer specific leadership after.
Branch rivalries are always fun, me being in Army Recon and my long time mate being a navy gunner we always had the competition of who had the biggest rain problem, me in the mud for days when it's raining or him with storms on the ocean.
Kind of reminds me of how the WW2 Japanese military had a fatal rivalry between its army and navy, with the navy sapping away most of the military funding to the determent of the army (a prime contributor to why japan didn't have a robust tank program during the war). You can sort of see it in the stormtroopers vs imperial navy with the navy getting massive star destroyers, super star destroyer(s), and the death star(s)...while the stormtroopers get stuck with armor that is little better than plastic.
I would like to point out Imperial NAVY Commandos like Inferno Squad are in the NAVY. That might sound obvious but people do mistake them for Storm Troopers in all the things they are in. Also they are probably some of the few awesome Mary Sues and Gary Stus.
@@seanurbik5158 The Imperial Army has it's own Fighter Corps, theres also a few exceptions, some Storm Troopers and guards can fly, but 99% of TIEs we see in the stories are from the NAVY.
Same thing happens in the Navy/Marine struggle. Marines have to ride Navy equipment so they ensure the Navy lives are shitty while they do it. But we don't HATE each other, we are still brothers.
I loved thrawn alliances it started off slow but eventually picked up and brought a lot of insight into Vader’s missions and his thoughts during both the republic and empire
I don't get how animals moving at 10 miles per hour can damage something with armor 10x thicker than a battleship than again durasteel is weaker than ply wood when the plot demands it.
I’m actually a former Navy Sailor and this couldn’t be anymore true. Though I was only enlisted, we did often times butt heads with the marines on what needed to be done and sometimes both branches ignored orders from the other Branch’s Officers and higher enlisted NCO’s. And most officers, warrants, and NCO’s like Senior or Master Chiefs did have side gigs that they where running outside of the Navy.
If you want something really confusing, Imperial Japan was split into two different branches. The Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) was split into a naval, air and ground force. These were the Combined Fleet, Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service, and the Imperial Japanese Navy Land Forces The Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) also had their own branches, the army itself and the Imperial Japanese Army Air Service. The army also used their own ships, including several aircraft carriers.
Hey whether you're or were a Marine, Navy, Army, or Air force I thank you all that have served in and for the defense of this country andtge freedoms that some people take for granted or the thought if what had to be sacrificed for the freedoms we have.. God bless you all Thank you for that commitment and your sacrifice
I feel like it would be more accurate to portray the Stormtrooper Corp as the US Army Rangers as they’re technically under the command of the army and are supposed to be the Best of the best in the Army. They also undertake some of the same missions as the Rangers, although they have more differences than similarities.
I bet they pitch a weird tent in that black body glove , poking out between the leg and groin armor....or maybe they tuck it up under their utility belt.
Just like with the "Old Corps" and the "New Corps" of the USMC regarding old and new marines. The training changed, so all the old Corps greatly dislike the new Corps due to the disparity and training that is seen as being easier
The look Admiral Ozzel gave to Captain Piett at 8:47 is one of the coldest stares I've ever seen. It's like when an employee corrects an assistant manager on a mistake he or she might have in front of the store manager. You can tell he just wanted to say "You little shit!"😡 😂😂😂
Very true, the Waffen SS was a highly trained and well-equipped combat unit that was greatly feared and respected by Allied soldiers . Renown for the ruthlessness, courage in battle and refusal to surrender they took it to the best of American forces and they were the only ones to stop the Red Army whenever they were called upon by the Wehrmacht when they started getting pushed back ! Stormtroopers got killed by teddy bears........'enough said' !
@@bellvnv2000 actually the waffen SS typically performed worse than bog standard Heer units. Mostly due to lack of support weapons and less combat experience while they were often kept in reserve. Really the only exception is in the field of armor, but that wasmore due to how germany distributed their armor assets.
@@AngPur I have to respectfully disagree . Although initially they were not a combat, unit more of a security Force for Hitler himself, as the war progressed they were favorite by the fuhrer and thereby were givin state-of-the-art weapons and there boot camp was in some respects on par with special forces boot camps of today . Minus the live fire drill . Casualties were high because SS commanders were taught to lead from the front and encouraged to demonstrate Reckless abandonment to achieve victory this was expound upon by former SS General Leon Degrelle .
The infantry and the navy hate each other in Star Wars...that's a new one for me. But I'm not surprised with a story by Timothy Zahn, he is the best Star Wars story teller. Historically, different branches have always hated each other. "Ground pounders" always hate "swabbies." And "knuckle draggers" always hate "flyboys." They relay on one another, but all of them think they have the dirtier job.
We did never heard of it but it’s pretty logic that in the clone Wars the army and navy hated each other. The GAR used its navy poorly and it was a nightmare to be aboard a venator that could get destroyed by something like 5 munificents
Here’s a thought: what if Han never left the imperial military and Luke did join the empire? What if that’s where they met? How would the story have turned out in your opinion? Also, if the empire was structured like the American military, the stormtrooper Corps would have been attached to the navy and been more likely the US Marines
I just realized something. In episode IV, two rebels pose as Stormtroopers and eventually destroy a death star. In episode VII, a stormtrooper poses as a rebel and helps to destroy a death star (I know starkiller base isn't exactly a death star, but it's clearly based on it both in universe and irl)
Alan...who are you!?! I smell a fellow enlisted man..possibly a fellow NCO...you either have a great military advisor or you were one of us Love the channel!
The so-called thrill of action is only aspireable untill you have been in combat.. Unless you are an absolute psycopath, you will do anything to avoid "the thrill of action"....
Simon Raahauge I’ve seen the original trilogy and I have noticed that most of the navy are cowards who only support the Empire to boost their own ego. In the canon comics, some are somewhat psychopaths who enjoy planning a battle or taking part in brutal battle plans. Plus, with the Stormtroopers being the main army of the Empire, the navy and most of the imperial officers don’t get the same recognition as they do.
Video Topic Suggestion: Mustafar - About The Mining / Mining Base - Darth Vader’s Castle / Stronghold - In general, what is Mustafar, what do they do there, why is there mining, what is worth visiting? Great video, keep it up!
To note, the Stormtroopers were typically organized into Legions of about 9,000 plus men. Roughly Brigade-size. Unlike what most people think of Legions, namely Roman Legions, these weren't Heavy Infantry units. The term Legion had seen various usage over the centuries. By the end of the 18th Century, a Legion was no longer a Heavy Infantry force, but a Combined Arms Force. This would include organic Infantry, Artillery, and Cavalry. This style of Legion was greatly different from previous Legions which were specific type units. Sometimes, like with Roman Legions, they did have organic Artillery and Cavalry sections, but not all the time. The modern term of Legion is a dedicated Combined Arms Force that is completely organic. This also includes the Legion's own Logistics section and even Engineers. These weren't assigned Detachments, but actual elements of the Legion. The Stormtrooper Legions reflect this. In fact, most everything about Star Wars elements was drawn from military and history elements. That was achieved as staff members, especially the Wardrobe Department, had been involved in a variety of Military and Historical movies. Even sections of the actual movies were based on real military operations, history, and even movies, such as Dambusters for all three. Arguably, given its few heavy guns and large number of Secondary Guns, the average Star Destroyer has more in common with a Pre-Dreadnought Battleship. The Pre-Dreadnought Battleships predate what we consider a Battleship today. The title is gained from HMS Dreadnought of 1906, which was the first Battleship of its type, the Dreadnought Battleship. Incidentally, Elitist Attitudes were common at the time of Pre-Dreadnoughts among Naval Officers eager for big promotions while Army troops didn't receive as much attention. It was noted, as an example, that making sure the ship was nice and shiny and clean, was a big means for British Royal Navy XOs to get promoted. Gunnery Training was thus, officially discouraged because it dirtied up a ship. Which parallels the Imperial Navy of Star Wars, as they can hit an immovable planet, but struggle to hit Fighters and Freighters and the occasional odd ship, unless they immobilize them first. Seems like Gunnery Training in the Empire, was generally discouraged.
The Imperial Army uniform and equipment looks actually usable in comparison to the Stormtrooper armor. It's one of those things they could definitely do a better job of explaining as to why the storm trooper armor, helmet, and never hitting rifle are superior. I would think with some sort of power assist system, some sort of heads up display connection with their rifle scopes, and a couple cans of green and black spray paint they'd sort most of it out.
you know this makes sense considering in the movies and tv shows the incompetence of the imperial navy often causes the stormtrooper corps unnecessary losses
I think the tension is childish like older brother and younger brother fighting the stoormtropers are clearly superb in terms of self sufficiency change my mind
Maybe not... In WW2, the NAVY and Marines had tensions between each other. One incident involved a Sailor cutting Marines in line for food in the ships dinning area. The Marines took the Sailor in the corner and beat him to death. Things like that might happen in SW?
This brings up a good point... where do Luke's loyalties truly lie? Sure he served the rebellion, but he was incredibly close to serving the empire. If only his uncle had given him permission, and r2 hadn't been able to run off. What really are his convictions? Does he have any or does he simply follow whatever opportunity can liberate him from his obligations and responsibilities?
Generation tech did forget to say that if you were TOO GOOD in an imperial academy by depending on old friends that they would purposefully sabotage a project and put the blame on the other person. This mostly happened on core worlds, but sometimes other academies would tend to do the same
Depends. Are you a force wielder with the Silver or Golden Shirt plot armor powers? If not, did you say your Force Protection prayer ("I have a bad feeling about this...")?
I want a game where you play as an Imperial Officer rising in the ranks until you become a Grand Admiral with a huge fleet, you can walk around and interact with your crew and do side missions where you dispatch Stormtroopers onboard and such. Like if you find an abandoned rebel vessel floating in space you can deploy troops to search it while you guard the perimeter and you can move your ships around Total War style, but still have a first person view of being on the command deck. Fuck that would be great. Customizable ships/crew members with specific traits. You can outmaneuver enemies like Thrawn and win against bad odds.
In my experience, a similar rivalry exists between Marines and Navy as well. Your average Marine is lethal, mobile, highly trained and sophisticated war machine 145% capable of deploying their pride and tactical ego in 5 seconds flat. The Navy, on the other hand, has the terrifying omnipotent weapon system that even Admirals make way for. They're called Masterchiefs. Dust ups do occur.
This isn’t a scenario or anything like that but imagine if Darth Vader led his troopers with the same compassion and kindness as he did in the clone wars
In Halo Master Chief considered marines and ODSTs a liability because they lacked the training and augmentations. Marines and ODSTs had a similar view to the CMA soldiers.
even just a modern day fighter jet would take out a tie fighter miles away. Tie fighters and X-wings only have an effective range of 300 yards. An F-22 has an effective firing range of 24 miles on a fast moving target.
Me too. Kinda hated him and rebels. "What about Lothal?" Idgaf about a back water outer rim dump truck of a planet. Give me better content than Rebels and what Resistance looks like please.
WW1 germans used the term “storm troopers” to describe Canadian soldiers attacking them later in the war. The Canadian army changed tactics that worked and the Germans knew if the Canadians came into their sector that an attack was coming.
I think the rivalry is due down to their uniforms: the Imperial Navy has to wear uniforms that make them look like goose-stepping Nazis whilst Stormtroopers get to dress like cool looking space knights!
No mention of the fact that Stormtroopers were also posted to ships and garrisons to enforce the loyalty of captains, crew members, and army troopers to the Empire and Palpatine? Kind of a crucial part of their job to function both as shock troops and to a degree as political officers.
@ Generation Tech what happened to the regular non storm trooper soldiers after the civil war. did they like the navy question the emperor and switch sides?
As a while it’s not really that bad it has some cool episodes like when a separatist holdup group of droids join forces with the rebels against stormtroopers. But there are moments that are like wtf?
Found it interesting, I don't suppose you can do a video about the sith army and navy from the time of the Star Wars old republic era. Though never played the game I do find the sith military and technology interesting and often wondered how they differ from their galactic empire counterparts. Though if you did a video on them already could you provide a link please? I will check your videos to see if any. Good video again by the way!
"Navy guys like each other a little more than neccesary...."
-All armies ever
How does the Navy separate the men from the boys?
With a crowbar.
I was in the navy, which carries marines around. A joke in the navy was,, if you saw marines, you could pretend you were standing in line for something. The marines, having no real job on the ship, would line up behind you, and then you could leave while the line would continuously grow with marines wanting to see what everyone is waiting for. (Actually we didnt have marines on my ship,,,, just LOTS of time for silly stories.)
Nacho oorah your God damn right!
Maybe i should do that to any random people
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Hooyahh to the Marines
Done it.
It works!
Marines are dumb!
Mr Riddlz that’s for the navy. Hoorah is for corpsmen. Oorah is for marines. My favorite for the army is hooah
Is it because Navy does the flying while Troopers do the dying?
"copied" cause no one else has seen starship troopers
Would you like to know more?
Nope its cause the Navy does the boating and the Troopers do the floating. Lol 😝
Lol that is good 👏 ^
Just to be sure, you guys are talking about the same imperial Navy known for it's exploding tie fighters, right?
Imperial Navy: we have 25,000 massive Imperial Star Destroyers, dozens of different super destroyers and multiple secret superweapon projects in progress to a safer and secure Empire
Stromtrooper Corps: I got this blaster, a helmet that can't see, and a armor that doesn't work
Lol
"Back in my day, we didn't have fancy tanks! We had sticks. Two stick and a rock for the entire platoon! And we had to share the rock!"
Darth vader to Imperial Navy: And my choking sandwich
But thats genius
you guys are on the planet, and can't hit it. we're above it and can hit it just fine.
Palpatine dissolved the senate?But he is the senate...
Vader resolved the contradiction.
😂😂😂😂😂
"I have not broken the law, I AM THE LAW!!"
Lol 😂
Big enough ulcers do result in people starting to dissolve themselves. They usually don't start with the face, but in a galaxy that has sound in space and treats the parsec as a unit of time, this might be normal.
You know what'd be fucking sweet? A movie centered around the Empire and it's fight. One that follows a Stormtrooper squad as they're deployed around the Galaxy
Thats what battlefront 2 was supposed to be be like but EA screwed it up again, besides that its a game and not a movie but yh that would be sick
@@RVMAE isnt the old battlefront 2 that?
501st from clone to stormtroopers?
Yes the old battlefront 2 did that. However i would like to see a series than a movie.
DIsney won't do it because everything has to be a love story
Band of Brothers style movie of either the Clone Wars or Galactic Civil War
This reminds me of the Japanese military of WWII. The ground forces constantly clashed with the navy for more resources, The Air Force and navy lost many of its pilots and officers in Pearl Harbor and Midway.
The Lieutenant One of the reasons the Allies won: from 1941 to 1945, in Japan the “Army-Navy Game” was the bloodiest pissing match in Human history; in the US it was still West Point and Annapolis meeting halfway in Philadelphia to end the college football season.
TPTGopher Could you explain the “Bloodiest pissing match” part a bit further please?
Because they kept flying into the enemy like idiots.
@@Demonai_Warrior actually Japan had a lot of pilot aces and experienced officers as well as a good navy and Air support. The Japanese lost the war mainly due to oil and resources shortage. The US also had a much more efficient industry and was able to quickly replace it losses, the US had much more ships and Japan built fewer but better ships like the Yamato as they weren't able to build as much, they built bigger and stronger,like the nazis. Kamikaze had a better operational range as they could use all their fuel instead of having to save half of it to return at their base, which doubled their range. Ironically, the US used tons of bombers (b-17 I think) in Germany and just sent them without enough escorts making them vulnerable to Germans aircrafts. B17 life expectancy was quite short (3 days for a crewmember of this flying grave ).
@@zach4007 Bloodiest pissing match as in army officers assassinating navy officers way and vice versa
EU: THE most outstanding Star Destroyer and symbol of survived Empire.
Disney: Horrible tentacle rape.
I dunno, I like it better that way. It's a symbol that Vader was defeated, and that the Empire had to go on without him.
To be fair, we don't know what happens to the Chimera after it gets hijacked by space whales
Oh, silly me. I though he was talking about that Battlefront II clip, not the Chimera.
Why must it be horrible? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I see legends as the only true Canon in the star wars canon
I'd like to say something real quick, I know the stormtrooper issue could've been fixed. The Stormtroopers are supposed to be an elite branch of highly capable soldiers that can end a battle in 20 minutes or less, but instead the movies and media portray them as everyday ordinary canon fodder that can't hit a target for crap. This is because the Stormtroopers are portrayed as the lowest of the low in the Empire in every source of Star Wars media; how to combat this idea and set piece for the Stormtroopers Corps would the inclusion of the Imperial Army. The Imperial Army (like the US Army) is far greater in size compared to the Stormtrooper Corps just like the US Army to the US Marine Corps, what should've been done in the film's is that the Stormtroopers should've a rare sighting, a foe that was far superior to the average everyday Imperial Army Soldier, a true force to be reckoned with. What I'm saying is that we should've seen more Army Troopers than we did with Stormtroopers. For example in Episode 4 the first thing we see are the Stormtroopers, they are fast, they are accurate, they are deadly, and they hardly care about slowing down for wounded, the very few that do get wounded at least. The Army should've been the ones on tatooine, they should've been the bumbling oafs that, easily getting force manipulated, miss their shots, and patrol and police Imperial occupied areas, (the last one is a thing our Army actually does so why do we see the equivalent to the Marine Corps doing it?). If the main focus canon fodder bad guy that any rebel could fight and win it should've been Army Troopers, show the scenes of where Luke and Ben found rubel of Sand Crawlers and bodies of those little sand guys and Uncle Owen and Aunt Boroo, show the audience that the Stormtroopers don't play around. Then when the big reveal for the Death Star comes, reveal the whole station is full of these elite troopers, a whole few battalions worth maybe even a few million! That would scare the piss out of not only the main cast but the audience too. Show the main cast trying to make more attempts at stealth rather then blowing their cover and shooting at whatever moves, when they are caught, make it so when a Stormtrooper does spot them, a main character will get shot but not in a vital area, showing that it's even more prevalent to avoid even one of these guys. Once the escape happens it will have more weight and relief because the audience was believed that some characters would actually die from this, and they almost did. Skip to the destruction of the Death Star and it's even more satisfying because a whole huge moon sized thing of Stormtroopers are dead, hell make the audience believe that was all the Stormtrooper Corps! Then when Episode V hits and the Battle of Hoth happens, the audience will be shocked and awed at the actual size of the Corps, and when they realize it's a whole invasion of just Stormtroopers, the battle will look even more hopeless. I could go on but but I think I made my point, make the main enemy weak Army troopers, then the Stormtroopers will have room to actually be down right menacing. If you made it this far thank you so much and like this comment to Generation Tech can see this and hopefully make a video on it. Thank you so much!
They don't show the mass death caused by storm trooper because of ratings. The storm troopers are genocidal killing teams. You can't show that on pg films.
For Christ's sake use paragraphs, no one is going to read that wall of text if you don't format it properly.
Holy shit. That’s an awesome idea props!
JUST TRAPSUKI I typed all of this on my phone that's why
I don't know why you're using the comparison of the US army to the marines when marines are known for being the dumbest of the different branches, and can't win Hearts and Minds like the other branches do outside of the US. Also the Marines actually do more policing than the army does because they're usually the guards for different military installations. A better equivalent for the stormtroopers would be the Army Rangers or other special forces
Reminds me of the Empire of Japan, where the navy and army were hyper competitive
With the Jedis and Sith being LITERALLY SAMURAIS IN SPACE, the Galactic Republic/Empire is definitely Japan.
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Don't know... the Empire didn't had an organized army to go toe to toe like Republic did..
George Lucas based off of samurais
@@Selvariabell the galactic Republic/empire is based more on ancient Rome and the clones are easily comparable to the Roman legionaries
@@bcpablo35 more like the SS versus the heer
Hm... it makes me wonder if Clone Courasant Guards and Clone Troopers hate each other
Fox and Fives, there's your answer
@@xxvaltielxx1789 true
They hated each other so much
The Courasant guard were definitely hated because their job was seen as way too easy.
Also yes, Fives and Fox.
Ender Drone definitely
Great video. Vader had something like a bond with the storm troopers. He respected their style and way of thinking. Maybe the branch rivalry was another reason Vader hated the navy officers so much.
It would make more sense if the Stormtrooper Corps operated under the Navy, because they tend to be portrayed as similar to the United States Marine Corps in terms of posting and the operations they undertake: ship security, quick reaction force, boarding actions and expeditionary operations. Hell, why not just call them Imperial Marines?
Emiel Booth there’s a reason they are called stormtroopers. The fast moving drop ships allow them to deploy quickly and overrun a force. That was the idea of stormtroopers in ww1. Parties would move swiftly in the night overrunning enemy trenches with a surprise attack. Once the enemy is in shock the larger main force behind them moves in to take the trench and surrounding systems.
Yea exactly
They technically do.
Because they already have Marine Storm Troopers, they are all armed with E-11s, Anti-Fighter and vehicle Proton Torpedo launchers, 4 thermal detonator, and they carry similar if not the same gear as Sand Troopers.
I think the Stormtroopers were more concerned with attacking or defending high value locations, like the Death Star, Scariff or Hoth. They would only work with the army and navy when it suited them and weren’t assigned to every ship.
Sounds like your typical disparity between the enlisted and officers of our own branches...
In the Danish armed forces, this type of disparity does not exist.. All officers start with the same basic training as anybody else. Same mud and november drizzle as anybody else. Only afterwards does the officer training start. Even the most senior officers started their carriere in a fox hole eating the same questionable field rations as anybody else.
@@SimonRaahauge1973 be thankful then. In the U.S. most khaki are either hated with a fiery passion or they dont suck and actually garner some respect
@@Arbitros1 royal auatralian navy keeps the divide (seperated training bases) but the first section of training is conducted the same with the offocer specific leadership after.
Stewart Orr So like the Galactic Empire lol. Good to see another American in the comments. God Bless
I can say for the Navy the Pilot officers are usually down to earth and very friendly compaired to your average officer.
Branch rivalries are always fun, me being in Army Recon and my long time mate being a navy gunner we always had the competition of who had the biggest rain problem, me in the mud for days when it's raining or him with storms on the ocean.
Kind of reminds me of how the WW2 Japanese military had a fatal rivalry between its army and navy, with the navy sapping away most of the military funding to the determent of the army (a prime contributor to why japan didn't have a robust tank program during the war). You can sort of see it in the stormtroopers vs imperial navy with the navy getting massive star destroyers, super star destroyer(s), and the death star(s)...while the stormtroopers get stuck with armor that is little better than plastic.
I would like to point out Imperial NAVY Commandos like Inferno Squad are in the NAVY. That might sound obvious but people do mistake them for Storm Troopers in all the things they are in. Also they are probably some of the few awesome Mary Sues and Gary Stus.
Actually they were part of the Starfighter Corps
@@imppro That's the Imperial NAVY
lancer737 aren't 1/3 of them recruited from the stormtrooper corps
Also, abuse of a critical shortcut.
@@seanurbik5158 The Imperial Army has it's own Fighter Corps, theres also a few exceptions, some Storm Troopers and guards can fly, but 99% of TIEs we see in the stories are from the NAVY.
lancer737 true, but I was saying that 1/3 of inferno squad was pulled from the beachtroopers on scariff.
Same thing happens in the Navy/Marine struggle. Marines have to ride Navy equipment so they ensure the Navy lives are shitty while they do it. But we don't HATE each other, we are still brothers.
I loved thrawn alliances it started off slow but eventually picked up and brought a lot of insight into Vader’s missions and his thoughts during both the republic and empire
I don't get how animals moving at 10 miles per hour can damage something with armor 10x thicker than a battleship than again durasteel is weaker than ply wood when the plot demands it.
Yea it was a terrible end for the series
Because an SSD's durasteel protection has nothing on Plot Armor.
The us military needs to develop plot armor no one will stop us!
Those "animals" weigh like a quarter to 10% of the star destroyer so 10 MPH constitutes a lot of kinetic energy.
I think it was a good ending. If you think about it, Thrawn's only weakness is the force. I don't see another way the rebels would defeat Thrawn.
Imperial Navy: An entire fleet, has been constructed to your liking, Emperor.
Stormtrooper Corp: haha e-11 go brrrr
As a stormtrooper. We like our dlt 19s and e 11s
I’m actually a former Navy Sailor and this couldn’t be anymore true. Though I was only enlisted, we did often times butt heads with the marines on what needed to be done and sometimes both branches ignored orders from the other Branch’s Officers and higher enlisted NCO’s. And most officers, warrants, and NCO’s like Senior or Master Chiefs did have side gigs that they where running outside of the Navy.
If you want something really confusing, Imperial Japan was split into two different branches.
The Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) was split into a naval, air and ground force. These were the Combined Fleet, Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service, and the Imperial Japanese Navy Land Forces
The Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) also had their own branches, the army itself and the Imperial Japanese Army Air Service. The army also used their own ships, including several aircraft carriers.
Hey whether you're or were a Marine, Navy, Army, or Air force I thank you all that have served in and for the defense of this country andtge freedoms that some people take for granted or the thought if what had to be sacrificed for the freedoms we have.. God bless you all Thank you for that commitment and your sacrifice
I always thought the naval troopers were just technicians. You know, engineer corps
"Come on Rico Come on, Infantry and Fleet don't mix"
wait....wrong franchise
I always imagined the Stormtroopers being like the Marines.
Dissolved the senate? He IS the senate
This is tru
@@GenerationTech Not yet
@@margaritaarias5292 Don't try it.
So to Stormtroopers Navy Troopers what We Britain call Rupert's.
When read word Rupert, All I could think of is the story of an all guardsmen party
Officers?
Well for that it's worth, he was the *best* Interrogator/Inquisitor that the squad got. Its not saying much but still...
"The Sandhurst commandos"
A Rupert is an officer, not necessarily a member of the Navy.
Wow. I've watched A New Hope a thousand times, and never realized until now that Luke had an interest in being a pilot in the Imperial Navy. Thanks!
I wish the First Order Storm troopers looked like the Tank troopers from rouge one
Red one?
I feel like it would be more accurate to portray the Stormtrooper Corp as the US Army Rangers as they’re technically under the command of the army and are supposed to be the Best of the best in the Army. They also undertake some of the same missions as the Rangers, although they have more differences than similarities.
How does a stormtrooper handle a sexual thrill? Now explain that
With precision
Stop, this is a book chuck wendig wanted to write, don't remind him please!!!
No dick
I bet they pitch a weird tent in that black body glove , poking out between the leg and groin armor....or maybe they tuck it up under their utility belt.
With extreme inaccuracy.
I LOVE the Mud Troopers design.
No for really it is SOOO much more fun to look at than stormies in my opinion.
We would have seen this type of rivalry in the clone wars hadn’t been cancelled.
Yea I’m sure during the transition period there was a lot of tension between clones and the non clone recuits
Holy god the clone wars is cominh back😃😃😃😃😃
Just like with the "Old Corps" and the "New Corps" of the USMC regarding old and new marines. The training changed, so all the old Corps greatly dislike the new Corps due to the disparity and training that is seen as being easier
yeah about that...
This aged well
The look Admiral Ozzel gave to Captain Piett at 8:47 is one of the coldest stares I've ever seen. It's like when an employee corrects an assistant manager on a mistake he or she might have in front of the store manager. You can tell he just wanted to say "You little shit!"😡
😂😂😂
Yet more evidence that The Empire(tm) is actually more analogous to Imperial Japan, not Nazi Germany.
Very true, the Waffen SS was a highly trained and well-equipped combat unit that was greatly feared and respected by Allied soldiers . Renown for the ruthlessness, courage in battle and refusal to surrender they took it to the best of American forces and they were the only ones to stop the Red Army whenever they were called upon by the Wehrmacht when they started getting pushed back !
Stormtroopers got killed by teddy bears........'enough said' !
To me it always seemed a bit of both
@@bellvnv2000 actually the waffen SS typically performed worse than bog standard Heer units. Mostly due to lack of support weapons and less combat experience while they were often kept in reserve.
Really the only exception is in the field of armor, but that wasmore due to how germany distributed their armor assets.
@@AngPur I have to respectfully disagree . Although initially they were not a combat, unit more of a security Force for Hitler himself, as the war progressed they were favorite by the fuhrer and thereby were givin state-of-the-art weapons and there boot camp was in some respects on par with special forces boot camps of today . Minus the live fire drill .
Casualties were high because SS commanders were taught to lead from the front and encouraged to demonstrate Reckless abandonment to achieve victory this was expound upon by former SS General Leon Degrelle .
More like the roman empire
The infantry and the navy hate each other in Star Wars...that's a new one for me. But I'm not surprised with a story by Timothy Zahn, he is the best Star Wars story teller. Historically, different branches have always hated each other. "Ground pounders" always hate "swabbies." And "knuckle draggers" always hate "flyboys." They relay on one another, but all of them think they have the dirtier job.
"The Stormtrooper Corps is a department of the Imperial Army."
Ya, the mens department.
We did never heard of it but it’s pretty logic that in the clone Wars the army and navy hated each other. The GAR used its navy poorly and it was a nightmare to be aboard a venator that could get destroyed by something like 5 munificents
Can you do a video on what if Luke’s uncle had gotten other droids and Luke went to the imperial academy
Would be cool to see a series about a heroic stormtrooper or imperial pilot, maybe a trilogy.
Here’s a thought: what if Han never left the imperial military and Luke did join the empire? What if that’s where they met? How would the story have turned out in your opinion? Also, if the empire was structured like the American military, the stormtrooper Corps would have been attached to the navy and been more likely the US Marines
The scene in Solo where Han was on that planet as a mud trooper was probably the best bit of that movie.
Stormtroopers: We can hit anything within 1000 meters of it.
I just realized something. In episode IV, two rebels pose as Stormtroopers and eventually destroy a death star.
In episode VII, a stormtrooper poses as a rebel and helps to destroy a death star (I know starkiller base isn't exactly a death star, but it's clearly based on it both in universe and irl)
Alan...who are you!?! I smell a fellow enlisted man..possibly a fellow NCO...you either have a great military advisor or you were one of us
Love the channel!
Unfortunately not but I’ve always held our armed forces in high regard
I'm sure they appreciated giving them a ride to the fight
Maybe, the navy are just jealous that they don’t get the thrill of action the Stormtroopers get?
Some say thrill others say canon fodder
The so-called thrill of action is only aspireable untill you have been in combat.. Unless you are an absolute psycopath, you will do anything to avoid "the thrill of action"....
Simon Raahauge I’ve seen the original trilogy and I have noticed that most of the navy are cowards who only support the Empire to boost their own ego. In the canon comics, some are somewhat psychopaths who enjoy planning a battle or taking part in brutal battle plans.
Plus, with the Stormtroopers being the main army of the Empire, the navy and most of the imperial officers don’t get the same recognition as they do.
Video Topic Suggestion: Mustafar - About The Mining / Mining Base - Darth Vader’s Castle / Stronghold - In general, what is Mustafar, what do they do there, why is there mining, what is worth visiting? Great video, keep it up!
Would these differences between the Imperial NAVY and Storm Trooper corp affect "Imperial Storm Trooper Marines," and "Space Troopers?"
the Storm trooper marines are station on ships under the navy, Stormtroops corps are usually the ones on the ground fighting on the frontline.
To note, the Stormtroopers were typically organized into Legions of about 9,000 plus men. Roughly Brigade-size. Unlike what most people think of Legions, namely Roman Legions, these weren't Heavy Infantry units. The term Legion had seen various usage over the centuries. By the end of the 18th Century, a Legion was no longer a Heavy Infantry force, but a Combined Arms Force. This would include organic Infantry, Artillery, and Cavalry.
This style of Legion was greatly different from previous Legions which were specific type units. Sometimes, like with Roman Legions, they did have organic Artillery and Cavalry sections, but not all the time. The modern term of Legion is a dedicated Combined Arms Force that is completely organic. This also includes the Legion's own Logistics section and even Engineers. These weren't assigned Detachments, but actual elements of the Legion.
The Stormtrooper Legions reflect this. In fact, most everything about Star Wars elements was drawn from military and history elements. That was achieved as staff members, especially the Wardrobe Department, had been involved in a variety of Military and Historical movies.
Even sections of the actual movies were based on real military operations, history, and even movies, such as Dambusters for all three.
Arguably, given its few heavy guns and large number of Secondary Guns, the average Star Destroyer has more in common with a Pre-Dreadnought Battleship. The Pre-Dreadnought Battleships predate what we consider a Battleship today. The title is gained from HMS Dreadnought of 1906, which was the first Battleship of its type, the Dreadnought Battleship.
Incidentally, Elitist Attitudes were common at the time of Pre-Dreadnoughts among Naval Officers eager for big promotions while Army troops didn't receive as much attention.
It was noted, as an example, that making sure the ship was nice and shiny and clean, was a big means for British Royal Navy XOs to get promoted. Gunnery Training was thus, officially discouraged because it dirtied up a ship.
Which parallels the Imperial Navy of Star Wars, as they can hit an immovable planet, but struggle to hit Fighters and Freighters and the occasional odd ship, unless they immobilize them first.
Seems like Gunnery Training in the Empire, was generally discouraged.
watch out allen, theres someone scoping u out frm the back of the gen tech logo
The Imperial Army uniform and equipment looks actually usable in comparison to the Stormtrooper armor. It's one of those things they could definitely do a better job of explaining as to why the storm trooper armor, helmet, and never hitting rifle are superior. I would think with some sort of power assist system, some sort of heads up display connection with their rifle scopes, and a couple cans of green and black spray paint they'd sort most of it out.
I feel like this animosity was also present between the Republic Navy and the Clone troopers on the ground
Don't forget that half of the republic navy were also clones
No - Republic Navy and JEDI
you know this makes sense considering in the movies and tv shows the incompetence of the imperial navy often causes the stormtrooper corps unnecessary losses
I think the tension is childish like older brother and younger brother fighting the stoormtropers are clearly superb in terms of self sufficiency change my mind
Maybe not... In WW2, the NAVY and Marines had tensions between each other. One incident involved a Sailor cutting Marines in line for food in the ships dinning area. The Marines took the Sailor in the corner and beat him to death.
Things like that might happen in SW?
@@lancer737 you have changed my mind
@@lancer737 Marines love chow
@@discountjontron2876 "you have changed my mind"
LOL
This brings up a good point... where do Luke's loyalties truly lie? Sure he served the rebellion, but he was incredibly close to serving the empire. If only his uncle had given him permission, and r2 hadn't been able to run off. What really are his convictions? Does he have any or does he simply follow whatever opportunity can liberate him from his obligations and responsibilities?
Why go to a school for being a storm trooper all you have to do is put in the armor and miss...you'll fit right in.
This is hands down the best star wars channel there is.
Seriously though, do you have NOT a V-neck?
Honestly most of the time during the summer I wear a tank top or no clothing at all but apparently that’s illegal where I’m from
Yet we have old men here sitting outside their homes in just shorts
One of the best things to come out of disney star wars is how they produced and introduced Thrawn in the books and even rebels.
8:27 Rebol lines
Generation tech did forget to say that if you were TOO GOOD in an imperial academy by depending on old friends that they would purposefully sabotage a project and put the blame on the other person. This mostly happened on core worlds, but sometimes other academies would tend to do the same
Wait less training than stormtroopers?? So I I stood still 500 of them couldn’t hit me from 5 ft
Depends. Are you a force wielder with the Silver or Golden Shirt plot armor powers? If not, did you say your Force Protection prayer ("I have a bad feeling about this...")?
Reminds me of the constant rivalry and even hatred between the IJA and the IJN
Do one about the Imperial Marines!!! I love this video too!
As soon as I saw the Mud Troopers I immediately loved them more than stormtroopers. Would probably be something I’d join than being a stormtrooper.
I love Star Wars HUMANITY FIRST THOUGH
Storm Trooper and Naval Officer selection system looks like the one Ottomans used
Whoever was playing at 6:56 is terrible with a blaster
I want a game where you play as an Imperial Officer rising in the ranks until you become a Grand Admiral with a huge fleet, you can walk around and interact with your crew and do side missions where you dispatch Stormtroopers onboard and such. Like if you find an abandoned rebel vessel floating in space you can deploy troops to search it while you guard the perimeter and you can move your ships around Total War style, but still have a first person view of being on the command deck. Fuck that would be great. Customizable ships/crew members with specific traits. You can outmaneuver enemies like Thrawn and win against bad odds.
Those dang snobbish navy brats! Troopers get work done, navy takes the credit.
at least the troopers are less likely to find themselves summarily Force-choked by You-Know-Who when they royally screw up
STARSHIP TROOPERS
"Fleet does the flying Mobile Infantry does the DYING."
Not supriseing since many stormtroopers hated each other.
Yea I blame the imperial training system
In my experience, a similar rivalry exists between Marines and Navy as well. Your average Marine is lethal, mobile, highly trained and sophisticated war machine 145% capable of deploying their pride and tactical ego in 5 seconds flat. The Navy, on the other hand, has the terrifying omnipotent weapon system that even Admirals make way for. They're called Masterchiefs. Dust ups do occur.
Where's the republic vs earth video you promised last year?
Ken the Yorkshireman
There's at least two that I've seen one made by this guy and they've been out for at least two years
Boy we will get fucked over
This isn’t a scenario or anything like that but imagine if Darth Vader led his troopers with the same compassion and kindness as he did in the clone wars
Great video I never knew that. Also poor thrawn ship, Also are they in space? because the windows are broken.
Yea they didn’t think that out everyone on board is now dead unless they have an emergency blast door
Rebels is pretty bad. :(
According to Dave Filoni, though, both Ezra and Thrawn survived that little hyperspace trip. Maybe emergency force-fields kicked in?
In Halo Master Chief considered marines and ODSTs a liability because they lacked the training and augmentations. Marines and ODSTs had a similar view to the CMA soldiers.
Who would win tie fighters or earth Alliance thunderbolt Starfuries from Babylon 5.
The Starfuries win 10/10. I mean, they're more maneuvrable, better designed for dogfights, and have better armament.
even just a modern day fighter jet would take out a tie fighter miles away. Tie fighters and X-wings only have an effective range of 300 yards. An F-22 has an effective firing range of 24 miles on a fast moving target.
SORRY TO BURST YOU BUBBLE BUT THE EMPIRE WAS IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY.
SO YOU EARTHLINGS WOULD BE WRECKED EASILY
Fanboy alert. XD
in the US Navy, there are Corpsmen that do medical work in naval hospitals, bases and the front lines (my dad was one of them)
Can’t wait for the 3rd book I hope it follows Ezra and thrawn after rebels
Gaming Raptor I hope Ezra dies
Me too. Kinda hated him and rebels. "What about Lothal?" Idgaf about a back water outer rim dump truck of a planet. Give me better content than Rebels and what Resistance looks like please.
Eli Vanto and his expedition to the chiss ascendancy would be better plot wise.
Jonathan Oliveira agreed
WW1 germans used the term “storm troopers” to describe Canadian soldiers attacking them later in the war. The Canadian army changed tactics that worked and the Germans knew if the Canadians came into their sector that an attack was coming.
I think the rivalry is due down to their uniforms: the Imperial Navy has to wear uniforms that make them look like goose-stepping Nazis whilst Stormtroopers get to dress like cool looking space knights!
No mention of the fact that Stormtroopers were also posted to ships and garrisons to enforce the loyalty of captains, crew members, and army troopers to the Empire and Palpatine? Kind of a crucial part of their job to function both as shock troops and to a degree as political officers.
But what about the droid attack on the Wookies?
Nice use of both the Cannon and the Legends material in this topic.
Everything wrong with the Venator Class republic ship
The Venator?
@@imppro YES! thank you!!
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Generation Tech what happened to the regular non storm trooper soldiers after the civil war. did they like the navy question the emperor and switch sides?
You look like asian obi wan
YES!
kind of reminds me of the Italian Navy and the Italian Air Force, and also reminds me of how the Japanese Army and Navy viewed each other.
oh now i know why so many hate the rebels show got to admit i dont blame you
As a while it’s not really that bad it has some cool episodes like when a separatist holdup group of droids join forces with the rebels against stormtroopers. But there are moments that are like wtf?
17th Sector: I hate bucketheads. *Headshots rebel while facing the other direction.*
5th View! 1st comment!
B L U E S H E L L...
xD
No one cares.
*Cares enough to comment that he doesn't care*
Because Infantry and Navy always hate each other but also need each other.
Found it interesting, I don't suppose you can do a video about the sith army and navy from the time of the Star Wars old republic era. Though never played the game I do find the sith military and technology interesting and often wondered how they differ from their galactic empire counterparts. Though if you did a video on them already could you provide a link please? I will check your videos to see if any. Good video again by the way!
were there ever specific companies of stormtroopers and fleets that worked particularly well with each other?
Alan ur generation tech logo thingy on the screen, umm u done mucked up 😂
I keep waiting for "Hi Friends, welcome back to another episode of Generation Allen, my name is Tech."
I know it happens... I feel it °^°